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Gaza
Jul 16, 2008


plester1 posted:

Oh poo poo, I've been looking at buying these exact ones myself. Gonna need a demo once you get them installed.

I'll sure do once I get the conversion rings to put them in active pickup routes (EMG's). I'm pumped.

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Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down


It's a good thing these are pretty inexpensive individually...

I picked my favorites: Snake Pointed Buffed, Diamond Pointed Buffed, Dimension Buffed. I asked about getting a thicker version of the Snake Pointed Buffed, and it turns out that I was basically asking for a Psycho, so I figured in for a penny, in for a pound... Or at least however many ounces a 5.85mm pick weighs. Okay, that's a badly mixed metaphor. Here's the collection so far:



Bottom row, left to right: Dimension Buffed, Psycho Buffed, Diamond Pointed Buffed
Second row, same: Dimension Buffed, Snake Pointed Buffed, Diamond Pointed Buffed
Third row, same: Dimension Unbuffed, Snake Unbuffed (standard rounded), Diamond Pointed Unbuffed
Top two: Medium Pointed, Medium Rounded - the 2.75mm picks that sold me on the concept in the first place.

The Psycho is a fantastic pick. It doesn't have any more chirp than the 4.1mm picks; I figure with hard acrylic, 4.1mm might as well be infinitely thick as far as capability to sound a temporary note/chirp on impact, and adding an extra 1.7mm isn't going to change it. But it feels fantastic, it's just super, super comfortable to play. I don't think I would want to go thicker, but this is an awesome width for quick and articulate playing. It's actually really easy to play softly or dig in because the thing is just so massive that the string feels practically connected to your wrist. You don't have to choke up on the pick in the slightest. That's true of the 4.1mm picks, too, but it's really apparent just how effortless the 5.85mm pick feels. It's kind of weird that I've got a pick that makes 4.1mm picks feel just a tad small, now, but there you go. If he offered more of the picks in 5.85mm, I'd get a Dimension Buffed and a Diamond Pointed for sure. I'll ask and see if it's something he can do, I'd pay for that if it's not too much of a hassle for him.

I also want to try the Psycho Shredder now, never had a triangle pick work for me but I like the form factor of them and at this point I kind of feel like why the hell not.

Agreed fucked around with this message at Mar 11, 2011 around 19:12

rio
Mar 20, 2008
MY WIFE DISCOUNTED MY "GUY" FEELINGS IN FAVOR OF MEDICAL ADVICE FROM A PROFESSIONAL ;_; BOOO HOOOO

Paramemetic posted:

The action is low and uniform, with a controlled bowing as should be there. The action couldn't feasibly be lower without creating buzzing problems, and I'm amazed at how low it is. I find it very playable, with a neck that fits excellently in my hand. It's a slim neck relative to a lot of guitars, but that doesn't get in the way of my relatively large hands, so that's good. The fretboard goes to 20, but only goes to 14 before it hits the body, and with no cutaway it's difficult (for me) to play higher than the 16th fret.

The finish is well done with solid binding and good wood, I think it's an excellently built instrument.

Epiphone is quickly establishing itself as a cost-minded alternative to Gibsons, and I think they make rock solid instruments both acoustic and electric. My understanding and experience is that it's not like the Squier-to-Fender comparison that people want to make it; Epiphone guitars are solid in their own right.

I can't speak to their acoustic electrics as this is strictly acoustic, but I know that both their electrics and their acoustics have a good reputation, so I can only assume their hybrids play well as well.

I think their setup quality has gone up recently. I had a student get one of these a few years back, and have seen a handfull of Epi Les Pauls and they were pretty carelessly set up. A couple of the LP's had build problems as well. The few I have seen this year though are pretty well done. I'm wondering if they are taking better care now or if it is just luck of the draw. Glad that yours is a good one - enjoy.

Bassist Hound
Oct 17, 2005

I don't know, but I've been told. A golden retriever ain't got no soul.


rio posted:

I think their setup quality has gone up recently. I had a student get one of these a few years back, and have seen a handfull of Epi Les Pauls and they were pretty carelessly set up. A couple of the LP's had build problems as well. The few I have seen this year though are pretty well done. I'm wondering if they are taking better care now or if it is just luck of the draw. Glad that yours is a good one - enjoy.


I can only speak anecdotally, but my Epi SG is amazing. I've had it for a year, abused the hell out of it, and it's still in awesome shape, sounds amazing, had zero problems.

Only mods I had done with it, I replace the nut with a bone nut, and swapped the bridge pickup to a DiMarzio Super Distortion.

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006

VICTORY RUB FOR AMERICA


Epiphone in my eyes actually beats Gibson as far as qc and overall build quality goes a lot of the time. Most midrange epiphones I see are pretty impeccable quality wise. Gibson on the other hand lets some pretty inexcusable things slip by them- Wavy orange-peely finishes, poor fretwork, ugly setups, and sloppy inlays just to name a few.

7.62WorldOrder
Apr 19, 2002


I'm looking for a Les Paul and since I have to pay the left-handed tax a Gibson is a little out of my budget. I've been considering buying an Agile and throwing in some aftermarket pickups, how do they stack up to the higher-end Epiphone LPs?

Duck and burger
Jul 21, 2006
Never a greater duo




Nailbomb neck and Aftermath bridge in a mint gold Schecter C-1 Classic I found. Oh, baby.

rio
Mar 20, 2008
MY WIFE DISCOUNTED MY "GUY" FEELINGS IN FAVOR OF MEDICAL ADVICE FROM A PROFESSIONAL ;_; BOOO HOOOO

Gramps posted:

. Gibson on the other hand lets some pretty inexcusable things slip by them- Wavy orange-peely finishes, poor fretwork, ugly setups, and sloppy inlays just to name a few.

It's sad that Gibson has been relying on their name brand so heavily that they get away with letting some of those instruments out of the factory.

bisticles
Oct 3, 2002

Hey, who brought the cool kid?

rio posted:

It's sad that Gibson has been relying on their name brand so heavily that they get away with letting some of those instruments out of the factory.

I got a 50's Tribute Les Paul last year that had flaws on it that would be inexcusable on a $300 Agile. The body paint was oversprayed onto the side of the neck, and what paint *did* make it onto the body was so thin that it had started to wear off in certain spots after just a few weeks of regular playing. Gibson is definitively seeing what they can get away with in the lower-end models, and I'd caution anyone who's saving their pennies for their first Gibson to seriously consider the alternatives first.

And I'm not a Gibson hater at all. I'm a proud Explorer owner, and I think it's the greatest guitar ever. I would just be very careful when buying a <$1000 Gibson, because they're definitely letting stuff out the door that shouldn't be sold.

grahm
Oct 17, 2005
taxes :(

bisticles posted:

And I'm not a Gibson hater at all. I'm a proud Explorer owner, and I think it's the greatest guitar ever. I would just be very careful when buying a <$1000 Gibson, because they're definitely letting stuff out the door that shouldn't be sold.

Same goes for their ~$3,000 acoustic guitars. Not that there isn't great stuff, but you've got to wade through a lot of mediocrity to find something worthy of the price tag.

RetardedRobots
Dec 19, 2010

Have you seen this man?
Melon "Weed" Dude 1936 - 2011
Rest in peace, you shitposting bastard.


grahm posted:

you've got to wade through a lot of mediocrity to find something
That's been happening since the late 80's, maybe longer. You absolutely, positively need to try before you buy on Gibsons which can be very tough to do because they are ever so pretty. The pleck machine in the factory should help the fret issues they had in the past at least.

Epi's on the other hand can be bought sight-unseen. Half because the quality is generally consistantly decent and half because they are so cheap it doesn't hurt if you get a clunker. My only issue with the three Epi's I've owned--two bought on ebay--is that the electronics don't blow me away (and my current Dot has a rattle on the neck pup that I don't feel like fixing since I'll probably replace the electronics this summer).

That said, for semi-budget electric guitars, I'm completely gay for MIM Fender quality. If I didn't hate dot inlays so much...

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down


Gotta wonder if part of the reason Gibsons are so hit and miss these days has to do with their corporate culture being arguably the worst in America.

A few years ago they put out an ad looking for a new president or CEO or whatever the hell their chief of everything is. It wasn't a joke.

That said, there's a "good one" used Gibson Explorer at a shop in central AR that really wants me to buy it and it's hard to say no when I go in. Though, frankly, it is not better than the Agile Ghost III that I paid $200 for (granted, on sale from $300, if that makes any difference) in any way except the quality of the pickups, poo poo you not. But that's a combination of a really nice Agile and... a really nice Gibson... which isn't exactly a mark in Gibson's favor.

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

sets off a "weirdly specific fetish artwork" vibe

Yo Agreed, whats the difference betwen the plextortion and super plextortion and why was the latter discontinued. What does the "modern" switch on the former actually do?

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down


Woah, there, sugar bear. Email me, Jeff@wamplerpedals.com?

Warcabbit
Apr 26, 2008



Just picked up a Guitarfetish case for that Subhuman I bought a while back. It actually fits into a square Strat case. With a little distorting of the interior. Surprisingly nice case, the handle's offset, and the case is balanced so that whe you put the strat in, it balances perfectly.
Aaaand I noticed something while I was there.
http://store.guitarfetish.com/Slick-Straps_c_314.html

Goes with

nicely. And it gets rid of that permanent half-twist the Planet Waves had, because of the peg being off 90 degrees on the Sub. Life is pretty okay. The guitar actually rests at a much more natural angle now, too, which is awesome.
(Good lord, the Subhuman sustains. I caught myself doing that bit from Spinal Tap the other day.)

Edit: Working on the oversize issue, imgur apparently has a little trick to it.
Edit2: Hm. Timg. Got it, thanks.

Warcabbit fucked around with this message at Mar 9, 2011 around 19:22

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down


Edit: ^^ no problem, they're not super intuitive.

code:
[timg] tags work


Agreed fucked around with this message at Mar 9, 2011 around 20:02

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

of course I was very young
and I thought that we were winning


Agreed posted:

Gotta wonder if part of the reason Gibsons are so hit and miss these days has to do with their corporate culture being arguably the worst in America.

Wow. I followed that through to the employee reviews of the company, and suddenly all the problems I've seen and heard about in recently built Gibsons are starting to make sense.


An anonymous Gibson employee posted:

Pros
Great brand history and legacy.

Cons
You are expected to perform at superhuman levels with little support, little staff, and little resources. Let me use an analogy to decribe daily life: You are expected to pull a rabbit out of a hat daily, but due to internal draconian laws set by the CEO, you are not permitted to posess a rabbit and/or hat. You are not allowed funding to purchase said rabbit and hat. In addition, you are required to submit a daily report to the CEO explaining why you did not pull a rabbit from the hat, but you are not allowed to cite the draconian rules as an excuse. You are responsible to figure it out yourself. Prepare to be blamed, and publicly humiliated in scathing and insulting email messages that copy most of the other employees in the company. This is how you are "motivated" to succeed.

Agreed
Dec 30, 2003

The price of meat has just gone up, and your old lady has just gone down


After The War posted:

Wow. I followed that through to the employee reviews of the company, and suddenly all the problems I've seen and heard about in recently built Gibsons are starting to make sense.

Yeah, reading through those, how in the world could you manage to give a gently caress about making guitars when you're making less than $12 an hour living in Nashville and laboring under a domineering rear end of a CEO?

The COO that people were excited about got demoted, Gibson is in a friggin' nosedive. It's a wonder that there are still "good ones" to be found.

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006

VICTORY RUB FOR AMERICA


I love how they revealed that Horrible Firebird X thing like it was the guitar of the future. It literally reminded me of the Homer car from that episode of the simpsons. Henry Juskewicz needs to go- like 10 years ago. I hope someone like Hartley Peavey or someone with their head not in their rear end buys Gibson and rescues them from themselves. They possess arguably the greatest arsenal of guitar designs in history and one of the great names- if only they could get the product in line with realistic pricing and quality...

dancehall
Sep 28, 2001

You say you want a revolution


Yeah that Firebird X press conference was one of the most awkward videos I've ever seen.

betterinsodapop
Apr 4, 2004

64:1

RetardedRobots posted:

...I'm completely gay for MIM Fender quality. If I didn't hate dot inlays so much...
Amen. One of the greatest guitars I ever owned was a lefty MIM Strat in Arctic White. It was pretty ugly, but it was SOOO easy to play and sounded a lot better than it should have for only $200 (back in '93.)

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Welcome to the Jungle


Devil's advocate here, but I would imagine Gibson is under incredible stress due to a) the economy's effect on the sales of luxury items b) proliferation of high quality replicas and "me too" knockoff brands and c) relative ease of worldwide marketing for one man shop luthiers selling high quality products at or near the same cost as Gibson's. Doing cost reductions to improve profits on what's become largely a commodity item is going to piss off your workforce.

The "Gibson manufacturing process" videos on youtube haven't exactly improved my view of them. That's the exact same process the factories in Korea, China and Japan have been using for at least a decade, and do even less to differentiate their product, making final setup the only major factor in considering a Gibson (besides, of course, it's resale value).

Buying a properly setup Les Paul style guitar from a reputable luthier for $1500-2200 seems like a much better investment in terms of quality, at least if you plan on keeping the instrument for a very long time.

cheap sunglasses
Mar 22, 2002

by Ozma


Toxic corporate culture and workplace environment aside, they've been banking on their name and marketing to baby boomers for so long they forgot to bother with basic QC.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.


"JUST THROW IT IN A PLEK" -every factory manufacturer nowadays

rio
Mar 20, 2008
MY WIFE DISCOUNTED MY "GUY" FEELINGS IN FAVOR OF MEDICAL ADVICE FROM A PROFESSIONAL ;_; BOOO HOOOO

DEUCE SLUICE posted:

"JUST THROW IT IN A PLEK" -every factory manufacturer nowadays
I'm fine with that. Pleks are loving awesome.

meatcookie
Jun 2, 2007


DEUCE SLUICE posted:

"JUST THROW IT IN A PLEK" -every factory manufacturer nowadays

That's fine, just don't charge me premium "hand-finished" prices then.
Oh, wait, that's Rondo.
I think I'm done with Gibsons. At this point it seems to be all about their "brand" and not their instruments and, to my mind, that's rear end-backwards.

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR

Yeah, Gibson's QC has gone down the shitter.


Too bad I really want the latest P90 reissue.

Warcabbit
Apr 26, 2008



Is it... bad if I'm strongly considering trying to make an electric guitar shaped like an Imperial Star Destroyer? (Or a Republic version, it's got a cutaway.) I figure you could put a bridge in at the bridge, and the neck at the pointy bit, and it'd be basically a Flying V variant.

Gh0st_Preacher
Mar 21, 2009

Dear sir, I am Alastair Bucket, of the infamous Buckets!
Please, place all spherical objects into the hole, located at the top of my "head".

Gramps posted:

I love how they revealed that Horrible Firebird X thing like it was the guitar of the future. It literally reminded me of the Homer car from that episode of the simpsons. Henry Juskewicz needs to go- like 10 years ago. I hope someone like Hartley Peavey or someone with their head not in their rear end buys Gibson and rescues them from themselves. They possess arguably the greatest arsenal of guitar designs in history and one of the great names- if only they could get the product in line with realistic pricing and quality...

I haven't seen this video, but I've heard sound samples. For the way they're marketing it, you'd like it wouldn't be so bad.

I mean, let's be honest, you can buy an entire, decent setup on $4,000 and get better tone than you can with that abomination.

Schlieren
Jan 7, 2005

LEZZZZZZZZZBIAN CRUSH

Warcabbit posted:

Is it... bad if I'm strongly considering trying to make an electric guitar shaped like an Imperial Star Destroyer?

Yes

rt4
Feb 19, 2008


Bad, in a bad way.

Hammer Floyd
Nov 30, 2005

"It's generally good practice to include a starter photoshop."

You must learn the Imperial march if you do.


===========================================

I played a Mesa Single Recto head today. I really liked it with one slight problem. The cab was a bit too middy for my likings. I was using the Roadster 2x12 cab and the bass when chugging on high-gain metal was bottoming out a bit\flubbing and there was a bit of high-end fizz. I was playing at low volumes.

Now I know nothing about cabs. I've been a combo boy my whole life. I think I need something with a bit more bass than what this cab was putting out. I only have room for a 2x12 though.

http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_I...ster2x12-LG.htm
This is the cab I was playing


http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_I.../RK-2x12-LG.htm
This is the cab I'm thinking of getting.

If somebody can give me a quick run-down on tone characteristics with cabs, that would be awesome. Or a good website for me to look up.

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

sets off a "weirdly specific fetish artwork" vibe

Hammer Floyd posted:

You must learn the Imperial march if you do.


It will be the only thing it plays, put a webcam on it and it will automatically play it itself and upload it to youtube.

rio
Mar 20, 2008
MY WIFE DISCOUNTED MY "GUY" FEELINGS IN FAVOR OF MEDICAL ADVICE FROM A PROFESSIONAL ;_; BOOO HOOOO

Just came from stringsandbeyond (love that place, they are so fast with shipping):



Being somewhat new to electric bass I haven't tried TI's strings yet, but I love them on my guitar and upright, so I am expecting good things and a ridiculously long lifespan where they just sound better and better every year. Also My Cat thinks there is something awesome inside and has been chomping on the packageing for like 5 minutes now.

Gramps
Dec 30, 2006

VICTORY RUB FOR AMERICA


Hadlock posted:

Devil's advocate here, but I would imagine Gibson is under incredible stress due to a) the economy's effect on the sales of luxury items b) proliferation of high quality replicas and "me too" knockoff brands and c) relative ease of worldwide marketing for one man shop luthiers selling high quality products at or near the same cost as Gibson's. Doing cost reductions to improve profits on what's become largely a commodity item is going to piss off your workforce.


Gibson's biggest problems predate any economic concerns by a great many years. Chinese knockoffs only became remotely worth a gently caress in the last 6 or 7 years. Juskewicz and his crackhead random method of pricing is the main problem, and has been since he got the gig. Gibson really hasn't been the same since the company changed hands the first time, but especially since they closed the original Kalamazoo plant. Nobody is pining for the Norlin era to come back, but christ almighty Juskewicz has to go. Apparently the last time there were offers out there to buy Gibson he wrote in a clause naming himself CEO for life. Yeah.

OK- gently caress Gibson- I have new gear to babble about!



Not my actual guitar, but I got an Ibanez AW3000 not to long ago. All solid wood- Englemann top, Mahogany back and sides. Bone nut and saddle, pretty nice Grover tuners with brown pearloid buttons, and really well done wood binding all over the place. For a guitar that hits the street for under 600 bucks with a featherweight case these things are amazing. Check one out if you want a whole lot of guitar for not much cash.

I also installed one of these-

Pretty neat- it actually made my guitar a little louder and clearer. Definitely worth 25 bucks or whatever they sell for. Mine was free since I work at a shop. Yay Daddario!

cheap sunglasses
Mar 22, 2002

by Ozma


poo poo, they oughtta give those away with the players points crap. If D'Addario did like Camel cigarettes and offered a speedboat I got more than enough of those things saved up to buy a goddamn fleet.

Ben and Stew
Mar 31, 2006

Woah!


cheap sunglasses posted:

poo poo, they oughtta give those away with the players points crap. If D'Addario did like Camel cigarettes and offered a speedboat I got more than enough of those things saved up to buy a goddamn fleet.

I hate that poo poo I sent them an email one time asking why I basically couldn't get anything useful (strings, accessories, not d'addario mugs and tshirts) with my gagillion players points and I got a reply that basically said 'durr then people wouldn't buy as much stuff'

Bobulot
May 7, 2007



Finding a friendly solidworks professional and a CNC operator that will work for beer has brought me one step closer to completing a dream project. I'm having LMII ship out a bloodwood fretboard this week and I should be able to share some finished pictures soon after that, but for now here's a teaser:

26"-28.625" scale, can't decide if I'm going to go with a headless design or have a locking nut machined out of brass.

northward
Feb 21, 2006


Got a new guitar today



Plays beautifully

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Schlieren
Jan 7, 2005

LEZZZZZZZZZBIAN CRUSH

northward posted:

Got a new guitar today



Plays beautifully

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