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H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Seriously, Matons are the worlds most playable guitars. I've played Gibson, Fender, PRS, Rickenbacker, you name it: I've played it and Maton still has the best neck I've ever felt.

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H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
I can finally play in this thread!




Yamaha RBX170. Nothing fancy, but I think you fellas might like what I'm playing with. That said: It's a great bass to play, not too light, good unfinished neck and just feels right.




1970's Fender Bassman. Dad's had it longer than I've been alive. Huminahuminahumina

Edit: I'm primarily a guitarist though. Here's my setup.


Maton Acoustic which I inherited from my brother. The Yamaha is an AES620 which came stock with Seymour Duncan pickups. It's an awesome sounding guitar and the carved top\back make it fantastically comfortable to play. For my 21st I was gonna get a Gibson Les Paul, but they didn't sound all that different, plus the Gibson wasn't as comfortable to play.

So I got this instead:


Peavey Classic 30 Combo. Pure Classic Rock warm yummyness.

H13 fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Jul 11, 2008

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Vintage Gibson Flying V?

Edit: POSSIBLY A DOOFUS. Just saw the headstock on the quoted image.

H13 fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Nov 18, 2008

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Decerto posted:

I know the overall hatred for Deans has already been discussed, but my girlfriend just surprised me with this as an early Christmas present.

If you've got a woman who buys you guitars, you should probably marry her.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
I have to test it out with my amp, but if it sounds as good as I heard in store, I should be picking up one of these tomorrow:



The OD was really quite good. In the upper reaches it didn't get thin and start shrieking, it held together and instead just loving soared. The Distortion was a little fuzzy, but also chunky and good for Metal which is what I'm looking for.

But I'll definitely be picking up one of these:



Jimi Hendrix Crybaby. I'm not a fan of signature models, but this was just a great wah pedal and I felt that it had a better range than the standard Crybaby. For an extra 50 bucks? I'll go for this one.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
So I got the Jekyll and Hyde.

Holy poo poo

Firstly, the OD. It's quite nice, but I dont think it's well matched to my Peavey. I'm using it as a boost for leads and to get a volume\cut. On the clean channel, I'd have the volume set at about 9 o'clock (Bedroom player here) to get a nice little kick. On the OD channel, I need to have it at about 12 o'clock for there to be a noticeable volume boost. This means of course that when I go back to the clean channel and boost, eardrums explode. Maybe when I'm not playing at bedroom levels it'll sort itself out?

That said, it DOES make quite a glorious sound. On the highs it doesn't lose any body so instead of shrieking, it kinda...well...soars and sounds absolutely magnificant. I might just have to decide if I'd rather boost the OD or the Clean channel.

When not using it as a boost, it sounded fairly similar to my Peavey's natural OD, but a lot sharper. I prefer warm tones, so it wasn't to my liking, but it was the sorta sound that I know a lot of people would dig.

However, what really blew me away was the Distortion.

Now the Peavey Classic 30 is a small, "Vintage" amp. It's got a very nice delicate clean and a dirty as gently caress OD that can get all the way up to early Iron Maiden. Fantastic for Blues, Rock and it can even mellow out a bit and do some stereotypical jazzy stuff.

With the Jekyll and Hyde however, it becomes a fire-breathing monster. The Distortion is truely remarkable. It's smooth without mud or lacking dynamics or distinction. It's snarly without buzzing like a bee. It's fuzzy without farting. It basically does everything a distortion pedal SHOULD without any of the drawbacks (IMHO. I've never liked distortion pedals before this).

To put it into context, I got home and played along to Enter Sandman (Shut up. You know when somebody puts a guitar in your hands and says "Play something" then suddenly you can only remember how to play ONE song? Yeah. That happened). The Peavey Classic 30 sounded GOOD. Not good as in "Hey! Not bad!". Not good as in "Decent, I can see where you're going with it", but good as in "poo poo, that could fit nicely in the mix".

Since then I've been fiddling to see what I can get it to do. It can also do Load\Reload era Metallica (poo poo albums, but damnit they had a loving great sound) and Tool very nicely. It's definitely a distortion pedal and doesn't have the open-ness that natural OD has so you'd never get a good Opeth sorta tone, however it's got enough balls and roar to it that it'll do.

It also has a great feel to it too. You DO lose some dynamics, but then again, I'm playing into a 1x10 combo at bedroom levels. Also high-gain tends to suck dynamics anyway. However it's not excessively live; You dont have to mute your guitar every time you're not playing and it doesn't make noise when you look at the strings.

It doesn't create a UNIQUE Metal tone. It's not something that creates new ground tonally. However, there's a reason why there's cliches such as Les Paul -> Marshall Stack exist. That reason is that some things just sound great.

The fact that I'm getting the sorta sludge, chunk and wail out of a Classic 30 1x10 combo still stuns me. Plus I'm not giving the OD channel enough credit as it really does warm up and boost your sound without completely loving with your original tone.

Overall, I'm stoked (as you can probably tell). Go try one now.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Well if I'm gonna have OD\Dist\Wah, I might as well get some sort of basic pedal board set up right? So here's what I was thinking of.

For the record, I already own a Jimi Hendrix JH-1 Wah Pedal and a Visual Sound Jekyll and Hyde OD\Dist pedal.

ADDING TO COLLECTION:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LItstNx6mk

Visual Sound H20. Chorus\Delay in one. It's fairly pricey, but it's cheaper than the price of an individual quality chorus\delay pedal. A bit of chorus never goes astray and what kind of Floyd nut would I be without a delay pedal? It doesn't seem like it's got a huge amount of delay, but at the same time, I dont really want a massive amount. Enough to make spacey ambienty stuff is good enough. (Also, enough to do Another Brick In The Wall Part 1 ;))

=============================================================

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ex09CDDzI

Red Witch Moon Phaser. Wait until he plays "Breathe" at about 2:30. Then it should make sense. However in my recordings I often add a bit of phaser here and there to give a cool sweepy sound, especially for cleans. Also a bit pricey, but once again, if I'm gonna do this, I might as well do it right. Plus it's got a shitload of sounds in it unlike the MXR Phaser.

I'm also going to have a tuner on there. Probably just the Boss Chromatic pedal tuner.

Can anybody think of anything else I might want? Dont suggest other types of chorus\delay\phaser\what-the-gently caress-ever as I've played all of the above and really liked it. However if there's any other useful effects\gadgets, suggest away :)

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

scuz posted:

I got a new puppy instead :3:

Sorry to pull out an old cliche, but pics or it didn't happen

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

scuz posted:

Okay!

Click here for the full 604x453 image.

This is Haven. She previously smudged the lens with her cute little nose which explains the smudge in the picture. She's 11 weeks old and a frickin' demon at the moment.

...awww :3:

Erm...I mean what pickups does she have?

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Look, here is Hammer Floyd's room. He's not a Pink Floyd fanboy in the slightest.


Everything appears to be normal...Except the goddamn GIBSON LES PAUL sitting there.


Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck


Hell. Yes. This is MY Les Paul motherfuckers. There are many like it, but this one is MINE.

I am so loving stoked. Since I started playing guitar I've wanted one of these. I finished my first year of teaching so I figured I needed to get myself a reward. This is one helluva reward.

I just cannot believe how good it sounds. Each note fuckin' sings and makes your ears tingle. There isn't one situation where it doesn't sound loving unreal. I played about 20 Les Pauls and this one, far and away was way better than all the others. I dont actually know which specific model LP it is. It's an 08 and it's a Standard, but it's got the 50s neck on it and it certainly doesn't feel chambered. It was reduced from 5.5k down to 2.8k (HOLY poo poo!) and all the 08 standards I saw went for about 3.5k. Either way, this guitar is just unbelieveable and the only time I haven't been playing it is when I've been taking a picture of it or when I've been sleeping.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Carbohydrates posted:

I don't know what you guys are talking about, fat necks own. My R8 has a 58 profile neck, which is even larger than their standard round/fat profile. The bigger the better!

Agreed. My new Gibson Les Paul (GOD I love saying that) has a 1950s Baseball neck and I love it.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Apologies for the double post, but I've been naughty.

I went to the store to buy a strap for Gibby.

I walked out with a strap, 5 picks...


And one of these.

http://www.redwitchanalogpedals.com/MoonPhaser.aspx

That link demos the pedal very accurately. It's perfect for all the Floydy\PT\Tool-ish spacey sorta stuff. It makes the whole room loving hum and glow and shift. It's brilliant.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

hamaien posted:

I've got one of these and it's pretty much my favorite pedal on my board. Awesome choice.

Yeah, well I went home and learnt how to play Run Like Hell

(For reference, but if you dont know it, SHAME ON YOU: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySO-gryuO-c)

I've been grinning from ear to ear. Easily one of my favourite pedals now.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLi-RNOzmMQ

There's a video of me playing my new Les Paul into my new Moon Phaser pedal. The Phaser hasn't really come out in the clip thanks to lovely mic, but eh, it'll do.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

7seven7 posted:

That's a little reassuring. Thanks for all the advice guys, looks like I've got alot to learn. This is all quite daunting.

The best way to learn how to use a wah is to break it out and rock out (Pun entirely intended). When you do a bit that makes you go: "Ooh that was nice" stop, go back and try to do it again.

One easy thing to do is just rock back and forth with the beat.

Also: A tip from Zakk Wylde. Tape 3, 1mm picks together (or the equivilant or closest you can get). Put it under the back end of the rocker (near your heel). That'll restrict the range that you can rock to. This can be a bad thing, but it stops you from going into those really deep territories that a lotta people hate. It can also help stop you from rocking back too far until you've learnt how to control it.

Most importantly: Have fun :). Wah is great once you've got the hang of it.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Holy poo poo that's red. I've met Russians who were less Red than that thing.

Pretty nice though. I've always loved those pickguards and wish that they'd make similar sorta things for superstrats.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Choicecut posted:



Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccckkkkkkk

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Any comments about Mesa Boogie reliability? Thinking about getting a 5:50 1x12 Combo to replace my Peavey Classic 30 which just died :(

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Ozymandius posted:


And no, it is not a Lonestar Special.

Oh MAN. That's...

...

Towel. I need a towel.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Hey all, need some advice (Agreed, I'ma looking at you)

My Peavey Classic 30 died during my last rehearsal. This is the 3rd time in 3 months and since I'm about to start gigging, I'm gonna get a replacement.

I'm nearly going to pull the trigger on a Blackstar HT-60 (http://www.blackstaramps.co.uk/products/ht-amps/ht-60h.html). The clean channel is delicate and glassy. The first overdrive channel is basically Clutch straight out of the box and Clutch are my favourite rock band. The second overdrive channel is metal as hell with a lot of chunk and heaps of presence.

My Hendrix Wah pedal sounded real nice and smooth through it, my Moon Phaser is really responsive, warm and lush and my MXR Carbon Copy is as you'd expect. It's 1600 Australian with a 3 year warranty on everything.

So why haven't I pulled the trigger?

#1) I'm upgrading from a 1x12, 30 Watt amp to a 2x12, 60 Watt amp. Since I still play at home, volume is a concern.

#2) I gotta find room for this monster.

#3) The lead tones are really quite sterile. I like my lead tones to be big and warm, like BB King, Santana, Gilmour etc. The classic, warm, soupy Les Paul lead tone is the one which makes me grin. I also happen to be a lead guitarist so a lead tone is really important to me.

Problems #1 and #2 I can work out. The solution to Problem #3 is obviously in a tasty overdrive pedal. SO! A question to pedalphiles. If you had a cold, albiet smooth lead tone and you wanted to make it warm, rounded, soupy and Santana-esque while playing a Gibson Les Paul, what Overdrive pedal would you recommend?

Oh and uh...for pornographic content:

(That's still RIDICULOUSLY sexy)

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Hey all, need some advice (Agreed, I'ma looking at you). I posted this on the last page, but it got overshadowed by that...absurdly beautiful Mesa amp. I kinda need an urgent answer to this question, so I'm reposting. Apolgies for being a nag\persistant pain in the rear end.

My Peavey Classic 30 died during my last rehearsal. This is the 3rd time in 3 months and since I'm about to start gigging, I'm gonna get a replacement.

I'm nearly going to pull the trigger on a Blackstar HT-60 (http://www.blackstaramps.co.uk/products/ht-amps/ht-60h.html). The clean channel is delicate and glassy. The first overdrive channel is basically Clutch straight out of the box and Clutch are my favourite rock band. The second overdrive channel is metal as hell with a lot of chunk and heaps of presence.

My Hendrix Wah pedal sounded real nice and smooth through it, my Moon Phaser is really responsive, warm and lush and my MXR Carbon Copy is as you'd expect. It's 1600 Australian with a 3 year warranty on everything.

So why haven't I pulled the trigger?

#1) I'm upgrading from a 1x12, 30 Watt amp to a 2x12, 60 Watt amp. Since I still play at home, volume is a concern.

#2) I gotta find room for this monster.

#3) The lead tones are really quite sterile. I like my lead tones to be big and warm, like BB King, Santana, Gilmour etc. The classic, warm, soupy Les Paul lead tone is the one which makes me grin. I also happen to be a lead guitarist so a lead tone is really important to me.

Problems #1 and #2 I can work out. The solution to Problem #3 is obviously in a tasty overdrive pedal. SO! A question to pedalphiles. If you had a cold, albiet smooth lead tone and you wanted to make it warm, rounded, soupy and Santana-esque while playing a Gibson Les Paul, what Overdrive pedal would you recommend?

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Agreed posted:

Budget?

Fairly generous, but nothing too outrageous. However if I plug in and it makes me go "OHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh" then I'd be willing to go about $350 bucks

Edit: I'd prefer this pedal to be used as a clean boost sorta thing. IE: No matter what channel I'm playing on (Clean, OD1, OD2), I want to be able to click in the pedal when I go for a solo and go "MMmm." I might be asking for too much here since I dont know much about OD pedals.

H13 fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Apr 21, 2010

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Agreed posted:

Up to $350 you say?

Well, one of the very best overdrive pedals I've ever owned (and still own, and won't be selling) is the Damage Control Liquid Blues overdrive. $200, built well enough that you could literally kill people who don't like your band with it, even if they were all wearing helmets. Two tubes at genuinely high voltages are involved in the overdrive tone. It has a beautiful optical compressor up front, subtle but improves your sustain and fattens the sound without really getting in your face about it. Oh, and it has a mode which blends the clean signal pre-tubes in, to help add some sparkle.

Wait, there's also a 20db clean boost built in. For your purposes this could be used to bridge the gap between the OD you want on the clean channel versus the less aggressive boost on the higher gain channels.

It's got a lot of features, point is it sounds awesome. Like, end of the world awesome.

I hate you so much right now.

I've been so interested in those pedals for such a drat long time. However with all instruments etc., I'm strictly try-before-you-buy. Have I ever been able to find one of those bastards in Australia?

YES!

ONCE!

FOR 700 BUCKS.

I want one soooo bad, but I cant justify spending 50% of the price of the amp on a pedal to make it sound good.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Agreed posted:

$350 Australia bucks then...

Could you link me to a reliable Australian retailer's web site so I can get an idea of what's in stock and how much it all costs?

I'd recommend the Paul Cochrane Tim or Timmy, but the lead time on them is 4-7 months depending on what's going on; still, I got my Timmy v2 to compliment my Tim and they are both some of the highest quality pedals I've ever used, and Paul is an excellent guy (businessman and otherwise). Very well designed circuit that pretty much just does "better," which it sounds like you're looking for. Another good maker is Barber Electronics; you could check out the Direct Drive if you want the option of some higher gain but still with the ability to push an already overdriven amp.

But I can help you more if you give me info on what's actually available there, and the best way for me to figure that out is if you can link me your equivalent of Guitar Center or Musician's Friend.

Not a worry, thanks for your help so far :)

I'll link you to the 3 stores within 100kms of me that I have access to. Unfortunately we dont have the equivilant of a GC\MF. We only JUST got this new exciting device called an ELECTRIC guitar.

http://www.eastgatemusic.com/main.htm
http://ponymusic.com.au/
http://www.billyhydemusic.com.au/

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
This is why I order what I can off sweetwater, but I still gotta play it first.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Gorilla Salsa posted:

The thing is, though, you kinda don't, really. I mean, every piece of gear I've ever heard demos of has sounded nearly exactly like the demo demonstrated. That's why demos exist, really.

I have absolutely no idea how anything will sound through this amp.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Well I gave the Blackstar another shot with my TS808 with a Bass Boost. It was completely unresponsive to it so I dont think it takes to pedals very well.

In that case: NEXT.

I'm going to try out a Marshall DSL401 as well as a TSL60. Can anybody recommend some good tube combos that get a nice lead tone? I dont want another Peavey Classic 30.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Well the Marshalls were a dissapointment.

I'm actually considering an Axe-FX. However I have no idea how I'd use it. Can you plug one straight into a 2x12 cab or do you need a power amp as well?

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Agreed posted:

Sure you want to jump into $2000 waters before even testing pedals that aren't a Tubescreamer? :raise: I'm probably modeling's number one advocate on the web, to the point that people here and at other forums sometimes bring my username up in conversations I'm not in when they involve modeling (which is kinda weird)... But that's a hell of a commitment and investment before sorting your options a bit more.

That said, as far as I know, that amp you've got is basically their pedals as the preamp section, plus a clean power amp. The AxeFX could run into the Effects Return (sometimes called Power Amp In) if there is one, bypassing the preamp entirely (that's best). While some feel that the best sounds are achieved by using a separate power amp and 4x12 cab with it - and that's, at least of... poo poo... a year ago, I'm a little outdated on the AxeFX... anyway, that's how the actual programmer used to use it himself - there are others who think that the route to success with it is to take advantage of its ability to load Impulse Response files, or IRs, and then run it into a clean stereo monitor pair. Since powerful, clean stage monitors/PA aren't cheap, especially when you demand a full range/flat response from them, that road adds at minimum another $1000 to your purchase. You can get some kind of power amp and a used 4x12 for less than that, if your amp with it doesn't work out, but it'll still cost money.

Think it over. It may be the right option for you, but you've given the Tubescreamer a shot, there are other very good pedals out there that won't run you an arm and a leg.

Welcome to Australian Musical Equipment prices! Before we begin, may I know how far your anus can stretch? We like to make it stretch those extra 2 inches!

The Axe-FX goes for $2500. The Marshall TSL60 1 goes for $2000 straight (On Sale). A TSL60 2 goes for 3k. In fact if you feel like being sick: http://www.guitar.com.au/amplifiers/electric/marshall/index.htm have a look at that. Those prices are fairly accurate.

In other words, a $2600 effect unit isn't actually that extravagant. An extra 2x12 cab is always going to be useful so I wouldn't mind spending extra on a cab. However I do agree. After noticing that no store in Australia carries them so I wont be able to go in and experiment with it, it's a biiig fuckin' investment on something I know absolutely nothing about. I'll stick to an amp.

In terms of other combos, when I first bought the Peavey, I played pretty much every drat combo under the sun. Marshall, Peavey, Fender, Orange, Vox, Randall, Laney hell even a Tech21. The amps I'm trying now are the ones I couldn't get my hands on last time I was shopping. The reason why I'm not looking at trying any more pedals with the Blackstar is because it was completely not responding to the TS808 at all. As in with all settings on full and all settings on 0 (except volume), Bass Boost on\off it didn't sound any different at all. I really dont want to buy an amp, then spend the next hundred years trying a thousand and one different accessories in order to get a good lead tone out of it.


(btw: If you really want to feel sick: http://www.guitar.com.au/amplifiers/electric/mesa_boogie/index.htm. Note that a Roadking 2x12 combo goes for 8.5k)

H13 fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Apr 26, 2010

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Agreed posted:

If your Blackstar has an effects loop or a power amp in, it should work fine as a host for the AxeFX. It will take some getting used to in terms of how to work with it, but it's a chameleon among chameleons, and Cliff is an excellent DSP guy who has done a great job emulating a lot of different stuff. It's all laid pretty bare for you to tweak, too. If your problem so far has been that you have sounds in your head that you just can't find on an amp, well, with an AxeFX you'll finally discover whether the sounds are ONLY in your head, because it has the capability to do pretty much anything.

If an AxeFX runs under a TSL, I say go for the AxeFX. I can't imagine how much more expensive truly versatile amps are there. (Edit: 8.5K+, I see. :suicide:)

I still think that you're not really giving pedals a fair shake; how an amp behaves with a Tubescreamer doesn't really say anything about how it'll behave with other pedals. But, you seem pretty set on the AxeFX, so if that's what you're after, go for it. I guess it's better than going through a few hundred dollars of gear more before giving up and then taking that route anyway.

Heh, re-read mate, I've decided not to go the Axe-FX since I'd have to buy it outright rather than experiment with it and see what I can get from it. 2600 + 800 for a 2x12 cab is too much to spend on what effectively would be an experiment.

I appreciate the suggestions though. If I really cant find anything better than the Blackstar, I'll go back with some meatier pedals and see what I can get it to do. In the meantime, I think finding a combo that does everything from clean to metal with warm, soupy leads isn't going to happen. I think I'm just gonna have to take the plunge and start looking at some heads\cabs.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Does anybody have a reason why I should not be interested in an Engl Screamer 50 Combo?

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Stuart the Hungry posted:

Look what came in the mail today!



Awww snap


Him (her?) with its little brother


Oh drat. You have everything I want.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Agreed: I'd love to hear some clips of that pedal. I've always been reaallly interested in one because I'm a Zakk Wylde fan (Dont hold that against me. I like good guitarists as well).

I'm interested in hearing it:
A) As a solo boost on high-gain distortion

B) As a clean boost

C) As a solo boost on some mid-level overdrive.

So one of everything would be lovely thanks Agreed :)

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Agreed posted:

No problem, remind me Thursday though? Also, got a preferred amp?

I'm busy Thursday, so here's hoping that this reminder on Wednesday works!

I play with two different amps. A Peavey Classic 30 at home and a Marshall AVT50 on stage. The Marshall I only use for chugga-chugga since I found a rhythm guitarist. Anything similar to those two would be awesome :)

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
HELP A DOOFUS!

I'm going to upgrade my Audio Interface. I have a Line6 UAX1 Toneport and I hate it. I use an SM57 for a mic and everything sounds really loving thin, tinny and rough. When I plug into the instrument jack, it's not thin, but it's still rough as guts.

So it's time to upgrade. I spend enough time recording to know that I take it half seriously, so now I want something pretty decent.

My criteria is fairly simple. While I have a mic, I've been using Amplitube because that's been way better quality than what I could get with the Line6. I record by myself and use modelling for drums so my criteria is:

- 2 Inputs (Mic\DI)
- Headphones
- Good sound quality
- $375US Maximum (400 Australian for any locals :))

As you can tell by my criteria, I know sweet gently caress all about any of this. SPDIF to me is a fun word to say. I have narrowed my choices down to 3. I know nothing about either of these interfaces other than their names and that the M-Audio looks Metal as gently caress.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SaffPro24/
Focusrite Saffire PRO 24
This looks hi-tech so hey, I might not ACTUALLY know what I'm doing, but it'll look like I do :)

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProFire610Edu10/
M-Audio ProFire 610
This looks metal. I play metal. This seems appropriate (I know I grabbed the wrong link and that it's 400US, but if it's substaintially better, I'll bend for it)

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FireStuMobile/
Presonus Firestudio Mobile
This looks friendly. Recording can be scary. Metal can be scary. This might make not scary and thus better.

So out of those 3 interfaces, what can people recommend? Is there a big difference in sound quality out of these 3?

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Manky posted:

You should check out the entry level audio interface thread. I bought an e-mu 0404 based on the recommendations and have been very happy. It should meet your criteria, as well.

Thanks, posted in both :)

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
I'd take a photo, but really...?



I got this as an upgrade to my Line6 Toneport.

I loving love it.

This was my first real attempt at micing up my amp. It's a Peavey Classic 30 Combo with a Jekyll and Hyde distortion pedal in front of it. No modelling, only a bit of EQ and Compression to take out some of the harshness and round out the tone a little bit.

http://www.tindeck.com/listen/xkgt

MY FIRST RECORDING SUCCESS! YAAAY!

Edit: A late night experiment. Stereo recording. Plugged my acoustic into Amplitube 3 for a bit of Chorus\Reverb and a slight bass boost, and sat a SM57 right in front of the sound hole.

http://www.tindeck.com/listen/qyoi

I'm in love.

H13 fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Sep 30, 2010

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

Agreed posted:

Sounds good, always nice to move up the hardware line :) The Peavey Classic 30 is a fine amp, very much a tone workhorse that'll do a lot for you without giving you much trouble. It may not be gourmet, but the food sticks to your ribs, so to speak.

So did you already have the Classic 30 and J&H OD/Distortion on hand and this was your first chance to record them with an above entry-level audio interface? You've got good modeling software, any thoughts on the difference recording into a digital setup versus miking up the real thing?

I love my Classic 30 except for one small problem.

Whenever I "crank" the volume past 4, all of my power tubes blow. I've taken it to several techs, one of them is amazingly skilled (Rebuilt my Dad's 1970s ROLAND Chorus Pedal) and none of them can figure it out. It's gonna be a studio amp.

The J&H and Classic are my play-at-home rig but this is my first chance to record them with something decent.

I think micing an amp works a shitload better. Modelling I think would be fine if the focus wasn't on the guitar, but there are a lot of nuances modelling dont get. For example, slight vibrato. Also, I found that if I was playing something on the low end, I'd need a different rig to go high pitched otherwise it'd be peircing\muddy. I also like that you can really hear everything that I do on the guitar with a mic, rather than modelling which as I said, fails to pick up a lot of nuances.

That said: I DID order Amplitube 3 with the interface and I still use it a lot for processing (EG: Adding chorus\EQ\Whatever). I think modelling software certainly has its place. I've also heard clips of people who could get a MUCH better sound out of their modelling software than what I ever could.

So I guess overall I'd say it comes down to whatever you can get to work for you. I spent the same amount on the interface as I did Amplitube 3. Because I'm much more guitar-oriented and a geek, I prefer micing up so that I can get those nuances that I'm sure 90% of people wouldn't notice. I also like the fact that I can get "my sound" onto the computer rather than something else. On the other hand, I'm sure if you're more technically minded, you can get something just as good out of Amplitube 3.

So I guess what I'm saying is that when you get to mid-level:
Interface + Micing = Easier
Modelling = Less detailed sound, harder to use to get a sound as good as the interface, but can be as effective.

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
Oh my.

I think I found something awesome.

I'm micing up my Peavey, but then running that into Amplitube. It sounds mighty BUT: I have found a hitch.

What I'm hearing when I'm using Amplitube stand-alone is the dry signal from the monitors AND the Amplitube sound patch. The sound patch alone sounds faint and muddy but combined with the dry signal, it sorta fills in all the gaps and makes it sound big warm and well-rounded.

So what I'm trying to do now is record BOTH the dry signal AND the amplitube signal at the same time on the same track. My brain is melting.

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H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
You're a cleverer man than I am Agreed.

http://www.tindeck.com/listen/vjmn
That's the dry track with no processing with Amplitube

http://www.tindeck.com/listen/nlex
That's the slightly processed sound. It's not a different sound, but it's smoother, with better bass.

So to summarise the "Modelling vs. Recording" argument...use both :)

H13 fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Oct 2, 2010

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