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Not_Log: Mar 24, 2004; Dear Aunt, lets set so double the killer delete select all.

If nothing else, we could take the old reccomendation thread and rip it directly into the wiki just to get us started, which I'm almost shocked nobody else thought of first.

edit: as a matter of fact, I'll do it, just because I have hours upon hours of free time.

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Not_Log fucked around with this message at Feb 15, 2007 around 06:14

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Dan a man: Dec 27, 2004; If there's really so many people in the world, there had to be someone who wasn't ordinary, someone who was living an interesting life. But why wasn't I that ChuChu?

Heh, that could work too.

# ? Feb 15, 2007 05:41

Totalizator: Nov 9, 2006

Not_Log posted:

If nothing else, we could take the old reccomendation thread and rip it directly into the wiki just to get us started, which I'm almost shocked nobody else thought of first.

edit: as a matter of fact, I'll do it, just because I have hours upon hours of free time.

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That's a great idea, ill be adding a page or two in the next few days as well, since i managed to get some free time to do this.

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Nate RFB: Jan 17, 2005; CG: IT'S ME AGAIN, ASSHOLE
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Dan a man posted:

Actually, Pierson and I were talking about this very sort of idea a few days ago.

It seems to me that people aren't as willing to contribute entirely new pages, on the fly, but if we had a sort of "master list" of entries that "definitely would be added" at some point, maybe that would generate more activity. Basically, if we had a list of 20 or whatever shows that we knew ADTRW would recommend, we could go ahead and create those pages...just leave most of the information sections blank, and not add them to any categories. All a person would have to do is go in an edit them at liesure, and whenever they're finished we'd change them over to the real categories.

The problem is populating this list. I don't think simply going through and adding every gold thread (Eiken) would really work, and part of the reason the wiki was created was so that we avoided the trappings of the old recommendation thread, which basically recommended everything.

I don't really want to do what Origami did with the "Vote for your top ten anime" thread in this thread, but if somehow a voting system could be moved off site then maybe it'd be easier. Like, we did a "top ten" vote for TV series, OVAs, manga, whatever...and after those pages are created (but not finished), we do it again but this time don't allow votes for those already selected. Doing so for a few weeks would eventually populate the wiki to a size that I think would garner more attention.

Does anyone have any ideas for how to populate this list of "entries to be added?" The worst case scenario would be to just ask, straight up, in this thread for people to starting making lists. I would more or less like to avoid that I suppose but it's not like the thread is doing much else otherwise.

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Not_Log: Mar 24, 2004; Dear Aunt, lets set so double the killer delete select all.

Nate RFB posted:

We could probably use the other thread if it hasn't fallen into the archives, as you just pretty much said exactly what we were going to use that thread for anyways.

edit: nevermind, it fell into the archives.

nope, I was talking about the "Let's make a new reccomendation thread!" thread, since that's where the initial wiki stuff started, it would only make sense that wiki expansion discussion would take place there rather than poo poo this one up. Though we should use that one as a baseline to start Nate's suggestion.
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Dan a man: Dec 27, 2004; If there's really so many people in the world, there had to be someone who wasn't ordinary, someone who was living an interesting life. But why wasn't I that ChuChu?

This is the thread you're talking about, right?

http://archives.somethingawful.com/...hreadid=1954028

And the final results

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sanderq/animelist.html

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Kizurue: Apr 5, 2006; There's somethin' fishy goin' on here...

I signed up as Kizurue. I have about 250-350 GB of anime so I can probably make a few pages.

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De Nomolos: Jan 17, 2007; TV rots your brain like it's crack cocaine

I'm in as...RightHonourableHolt. This will give me something to do that isn't alcohol and/or schoolwork. I think I might try to do a couple Gundams, Steamboy, maybe Tenchi Muyo! I can do those pretty easily.

# ? Feb 15, 2007 16:51

Nate RFB: Jan 17, 2005; CG: IT'S ME AGAIN, ASSHOLE
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Dan a man posted:

This is the thread you're talking about, right?

http://archives.somethingawful.com/...hreadid=1954028

And the final results

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sanderq/animelist.html

This is the thread I was talking about. At the very least, I think those top ten (excluding stuff already in the wiki like Haruhi and

) could be a good start for this.

Are you sure using the recommendation thread is a good idea? There is a lot of really lovely anime in there

I honestly think we would need to start fresh.

# ? Feb 15, 2007 23:33

Not_Log: Mar 24, 2004; Dear Aunt, lets set so double the killer delete select all.

Nate RFB posted:

This is the thread I was talking about. At the very least, I think those top ten (excluding stuff already in the wiki like Haruhi and ) could be a good start for this.

Are you sure using the recommendation thread is a good idea? There is a lot of really lovely anime in there I honestly think we would need to start fresh.

Well we could pull the descriptions from the old recommendation thread for those series to get the pages started, if nothing else.

I didn't actually bother reading the old anime thread because by the two times I looked at it it recommended me series I knew to be horrible. This should have told me that saying to copy it over would be a horrible idea.

edit: When we make these starter pages, should we keep the tenplate text or at least some short filler text like "Needs Description" so we actually have all the fields there just needing contributions?

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doomisland: Oct 5, 2004

I'm in the process of making a Ghost in the Shell page but much like my Gunbuster page it will probably have some errors in it so don't be to harsh if you need to correct something.

edit: I posted what I had since I need to get some sleep

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Nate RFB: Jan 17, 2005; CG: IT'S ME AGAIN, ASSHOLE
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Nice job on the Berserk entry, CCR. I wonder what we could put for "If You Liked This..."

Anyways, getting to the "Incomplete" entry idea, this is what I plan to add to it (the top 10 shows from the Origami thread that haven't been entered yet). I figure this is a pretty safe start, anyway. So how's this? I'll add these entries, put them in a category labeled "Incomplete", and in the future we find a way to dump a variety of entries into it? The hope being that this will encourage people to edit them away.

To further separate these entries (for the time being), perhaps we should remove the [[Category: All Pages]] from the infobox, so that by adding the infobox we don't mix these in? This just means that the entries that use the infobox yet don't have the All Pages category will have to have it added manually.

In other words, these are the shows I think we should add to this to get the ball rolling:

Azumanga Daioh
Cowboy Bebop
Eureka seveN
FLCL
Planetes
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Hajime no Ippo
Crest / Banner of the Stars
Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu

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Pierson: Oct 31, 2004

I think what would also help is if there were also Incomplete-style entries for those shows currently linked to via 'if you like this'. Less dead links is always a good thing.

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Dan a man: Dec 27, 2004; If there's really so many people in the world, there had to be someone who wasn't ordinary, someone who was living an interesting life. But why wasn't I that ChuChu?

Well I made and Evangelion page. There still needs to be a few more things added. Hopefully someone else can help me fill those in.

Later this week I should have some more time to make a few more pages for the shows on that list.

# ? Feb 20, 2007 05:08

Dan a man: Dec 27, 2004; If there's really so many people in the world, there had to be someone who wasn't ordinary, someone who was living an interesting life. But why wasn't I that ChuChu?

Well I made a page for Azumanga Daioh. Maybe someone can help me with the recommendations section. I've only been a serious anime watcher for a year or so, so I don't have a huge library of shows that I've seen and can reference. Azumanga only has one recommendation and Evangelion doesn't have any.

And I had a question about the categories. I put Evangelion in the Psychological category because of all the crazy stuff going on in the characters' minds, but I don't know if that should stay. If it should, then we should probably make a Category page for it and maybe go back and see if any of the already created pages belong in there. If not, then someone can just delete that category link from the Eva page.

# ? Feb 21, 2007 04:49

Nate RFB: Jan 17, 2005; CG: IT'S ME AGAIN, ASSHOLE
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Both look fine to me based upon quick glances...however, Yotsubato simply had to be added to the Azumanga page.

You're doing all of work I was planning to put in for these pages

A this point I might just say "gently caress it" and add whatever incomplete shows I like from Origami's list since, well, chances are the majority of the shows that we should/could be putting in this are probably in there somewhere.

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Totalizator: Nov 9, 2006

Added the Mai-Hime page. I had to take the whole plot synopsis thing from the wikipedia entry because i honestly didn't know what to write, feel free to get your own version in there if you can think of anything better.

:edit:

We should add a "starter" category with some shows good for people who want to check out what anime is about. Popular shows that dont require people to be used to certain anime conventions or are not overloaded with references to other shows should go in there.

Totalizator fucked around with this message at Feb 23, 2007 around 21:11

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Big Big Moon: Sep 2, 2006; In other regions and restaurants it is mispronounced as General Tsao's, General Zhou's, General Tzo's, General So's, General Joe's,

Requesting permission to create a Big O page. It's always good to have a small, centralized wiki tailored to specific interests for an information portal, I'm glad this project is being started.

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twofish: Apr 17, 2006; .

Signed up as "Hexinet". I'll probably do a page for Gunslinger Girl, don't know what else. I'm pretty new to the formating / pseudo-code of Wikimedia, so I'm doing a thorough read-up on it first. Are we going to get a style/formating page proper? Also, I know its pretty small right now, but a job que/TODO page would be nice, so people know what pages are pertinent / what things need improvement or to be contributed, pretty much every wiki has one of these. Basically what your talking about when you list all the shows you'd like to see on there, etc.

# ? Feb 23, 2007 21:50

Totalizator: Nov 9, 2006

Big Big Moon posted:

Requesting permission to create a Big O page. It's always good to have a small, centralized wiki tailored to specific interests for an information portal, I'm glad this project is being started.

Don't request permission, just do it. The wiki needs more pages and its always an

to do one.

# ? Feb 23, 2007 21:53

Dan a man: Dec 27, 2004; If there's really so many people in the world, there had to be someone who wasn't ordinary, someone who was living an interesting life. But why wasn't I that ChuChu?

Hexinet posted:

Are we going to get a style/formating page proper?

Are you talking about something like this?
http://pierson.nulani.net/index.php/Template

# ? Feb 23, 2007 22:15

Big Big Moon: Sep 2, 2006; In other regions and restaurants it is mispronounced as General Tsao's, General Zhou's, General Tzo's, General So's, General Joe's,

Totalizator posted:

Don't request permission, just do it. The wiki needs more pages and its always an to do one.

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Dan a man: Dec 27, 2004; If there's really so many people in the world, there had to be someone who wasn't ordinary, someone who was living an interesting life. But why wasn't I that ChuChu?

Big Big Moon posted:

Hmm, that's not happening for me. Are you able to edit any pages? If not, then maybe none of the admins of the wiki have upgraded your account yet to one that can make edits.

# ? Feb 23, 2007 22:44

Totalizator: Nov 9, 2006

Big Big Moon posted:

^^^^
e;fb

Are you approved yet? You dont need permission to edit or create a page but first Nate or Pierson need to give you the approved status, you get it by posting on this thread that you created an account.

Totalizator fucked around with this message at Feb 23, 2007 around 22:50

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Big Big Moon: Sep 2, 2006; In other regions and restaurants it is mispronounced as General Tsao's, General Zhou's, General Tzo's, General So's, General Joe's,

Ah, I registered as Big Big Moon a few hours ago. Thanks for the heads-up, guess I missed that protocol nuance.

# ? Feb 23, 2007 23:29

Nate RFB: Jan 17, 2005; CG: IT'S ME AGAIN, ASSHOLE
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Totalizator posted:

We should add a "starter" category with some shows good for people who want to check out what anime is about. Popular shows that dont require people to be used to certain anime conventions or are not overloaded with references to other shows should go in there.

I think this is a great idea. Might give people more of an incentive to do entries for shows like Bebop.

# ? Feb 24, 2007 01:48

twofish: Apr 17, 2006; .

Yar! I did an entry on a show nobody watches: http://pierson.nulani.net/index.php/Gunslinger_Girl

I also updated the Anime Specific Genres to include Shojo, Josei, Seinen, and Kodomo.

Now it's time for me to go shave my neckbeard (god that was a waste of time, I'm going to do it more often).

# ? Feb 24, 2007 11:02

Totalizator: Nov 9, 2006

Hexinet posted:

Yar! I did an entry on a show nobody watches: http://pierson.nulani.net/index.php/Gunslinger_Girl

I also updated the Anime Specific Genres to include Shojo, Josei, Seinen, and Kodomo.

Now it's time for me to go shave my neckbeard (god that was a waste of time, I'm going to do it more often).

Well if we're going in that direction, i added Yaoi and Yuri categories. Now the anime specific categories are going to need descriptions, because stuff like Josei and Seinen isnt really common knowledge (i had no clue what the hell is it until i looked it up just now).

:edit:

I also added the Starter category. For now Azumanga, Death Note, GiTS and maybe Haruhi should go in there, but ill wait for some opinions.

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Nate RFB: Jan 17, 2005; CG: IT'S ME AGAIN, ASSHOLE
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Woah woah. Yuri and Yaoi categories? I really don't think that's necessary. Adding Shoujo I suppose is alright, but none of those other categories I think are common enough knowledge to differentiate. I mean, Kodomo and Seinen? Are we really going to try to go between THIS ANIME IS SERIOUS BUSINESS and THIS ANIME IS FOR KIDS?

# ? Feb 24, 2007 16:10

Totalizator: Nov 9, 2006

Nate RFB posted:

Woah woah. Yuri and Yaoi categories? I really don't think that's necessary. Adding Shoujo I suppose is alright, but none of those other categories I think are common enough knowledge to differentiate. I mean, Kodomo and Seinen? Are we really going to try to go between THIS ANIME IS SERIOUS BUSINESS and THIS ANIME IS FOR KIDS?

I was having second thoughts about this when i was making the Mai-Hime page, but since all the really specific categories like Kodomo etc. were made i thought its allright. I'm not really into Yaoi, but Strawberry Panic, Simoun, Mai-Hime/Otome were notable shows with an important Yuri factor, so if someone is into this i thought it couldnt hurt. Yaoi could have stuff like Ouran (I guess? never really watched it), Princess Princess and crap like that if anyone will ever feel its nessesary to add pages for those. Then again we can just delete the new categories alltogether (leaving Shoujo).

# ? Feb 24, 2007 16:21

Nate RFB: Jan 17, 2005; CG: IT'S ME AGAIN, ASSHOLE
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Totalizator posted:

Yaoi could have stuff like Ouran (I guess? never really watched it)

Simply, I don't think there will be many shows (if any at all) in either category. poo poo like Princess Princess would only show up as a joke entry or something.

# ? Feb 24, 2007 16:30

Dan a man: Dec 27, 2004; If there's really so many people in the world, there had to be someone who wasn't ordinary, someone who was living an interesting life. But why wasn't I that ChuChu?

Hexinet posted:

Yar! I did an entry on a show nobody watches: http://pierson.nulani.net/index.php/Gunslinger_Girl

Yay. It's always nice to see more people making pages. But just one thing to keep in mind in the future, when you fill in the genre section of the article, those links don't automatically place the page in the appropriate category. In order to do that, just put this at the very top of the page.

[[Category:Anime (TV)]]

[[Category:Drama]]
[[Category:Seinen]]
[[Category:Girls with Guns]]
[[Category:Action]

EDIT: horrible grammar.

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darkgray: Dec 20, 2005

I'm confused. Isn't "seinen" pretty much "porn"? While I'm not exactly opposed to it, I don't really see it as being very high on the list of stuff to recommend.

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Not_Log: Mar 24, 2004; Dear Aunt, lets set so double the killer delete select all.

darkgray posted:

I'm confused. Isn't "seinen" pretty much "porn"? While I'm not exactly opposed to it, I don't really see it as being very high on the list of stuff to recommend.

Chobits, Black Lagoon and Bartender are porn? I'm not here to argue but there's a lot of anime that's originated in seinen manga.

# ? Feb 24, 2007 18:59

Menacer: Nov 25, 2000; Failed Sega Accessory Ahoy!

I'm not really sure why it's a useful catagory, then, since it encompasses such a wide range of shows.

# ? Feb 24, 2007 19:04

darkgray: Dec 20, 2005

Not_Log posted:

Chobits, Black Lagoon and Bartender are porn? I'm not here to argue but there's a lot of anime that's originated in seinen manga.

Sorry, my mind was full of 成年コミック when I posted that. The category probably refers to 青年漫画, which is more about young adults than pornography.

Still, such an ambiguous category is a bit odd to include, at least in "English".

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clocksucker: Sep 11, 2005; Skullet Action

Nate RFB posted:

Simply, I don't think there will be many shows (if any at all) in either category. poo poo like Princess Princess would only show up as a joke entry or something.

You're treading on dangerous ground there. If we're only to list the good shows on the wiki, who is going to decide on what the definition of a "good" show is? I'm pretty sure people will want their least favorite show removed then (sensitive shows like Evangelion or Elfen Lied for instance).

I agree Princess Princess doesn't need a page right now, but if we want to recommend shows to anybody based on their taste, we'll have to add this page and other shows of this kind some day.

edit: also, PP had its moments

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Not_Log: Mar 24, 2004; Dear Aunt, lets set so double the killer delete select all.

I think if we're going to use "shounen" and "seinen" at all, it should only be used as a targeted age guide, "if you like stuff targetd to x-y aged males, check out this poo poo" if we are going to include it at all, otherwise it's really just too vauge a category.

# ? Feb 24, 2007 20:14

Nate RFB: Jan 17, 2005; CG: IT'S ME AGAIN, ASSHOLE
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clocksucker posted:

You're treading on dangerous ground there. If we're only to list the good shows on the wiki, who is going to decide on what the definition of a "good" show is? I'm pretty sure people will want their least favorite show removed then (sensitive shows like Evangelion or Elfen Lied for instance).

It's a wiki designed to give out recommendations. By definition, I would think mostly good shows would thus be listed. What "good" is is entirely up to whomever wants to make the pages. I was simply using PP as an example as to why we'd probably never need such categories. The hope was that we would be adding accountability to each entry by including a voting system, but there's no real rush or anything for something like that.

There is no real way to quantify what is a good anime completely and utterly; find a show that is considered a universal favorite, and there'll be some in ADTRW who disagree. As long as the person making the entry puts in the effort to persuade a reader as to why the show is worth watching, the that's fine.

Not_Log posted:

I think if we're going to use "shounen" and "seinen" at all, it should only be used as a targeted age guide, "if you like stuff targetd to x-y aged males, check out this poo poo" if we are going to include it at all, otherwise it's really just too vauge a category.

In the case of "Shounen," I think it's the best way to describe stuff that would appear in, well, Shounen Jump. One Piece, Naruto, Ippo, or whatever.

Nate RFB fucked around with this message at Feb 24, 2007 around 20:25

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twofish: Apr 17, 2006; .

Dan a man posted:

EDIT: horrible grammar.

Not so much bad as poorly formed. It's full of unnecessary commas, is visibly strives to sound offical, etc.

3AM and I didn't put much

into it. I'll clean it up when I can.

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