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It's kind of amusing how vampires in the comic just chomp down on the side of someone's skull in lieu of necks to bite.
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YouTuber posted:They only remember their specific prophecy and nothing else about the area or even what the Oracle looks like. Roy circumvented this with his ghost stunt to a degree. There's a scene where Durkon and Roy are talking about Durkon's answer, and they all remember Azure City as the answer to Roy's question, so I think you're wrong.
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Jul 22, 2014 22:02
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No, they found out Xykon's next target would be Azure City when Miko burst into Shojo's throneroom after just barely escaping from his forces. Roy realized that he'd made the wrong assumptions in his wish just before they crossed the boundary that wiped out their memories. After that, they'd just assumed Girad's gate was the next.
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Jul 22, 2014 22:34
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Regalingualius posted:No, they found out Xykon's next target would be Azure City when Miko burst into Shojo's throneroom after just barely escaping from his forces. Roy realized that he'd made the wrong assumptions in his wish just before they crossed the boundary that wiped out their memories. After that, they'd just assumed Girad's gate was the next. OK, yeah, I misremembered that bit. But Roy says "we have our answer. To Girard's Gate!" And the others all act like they knew already.
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Jul 22, 2014 22:38
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Ponsonby Britt posted:Buffy had at least two stories with a "web of erotic subtext" around a vampire drinking from a human. Well, it's not like Bram Stoker's Dracula wasn't Victorian-era pornography. If you compare it to contemporaneous literature, it's straight raunchy, and marks the beginning of the frequent use of vampires as a metaphor for sexual politics in the Western canon.
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Jul 22, 2014 23:17
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I never knew the story of Freya and her necklace. Norse mythology is just overflowing with sex and boobs and people tying their balls to goats.
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Jul 22, 2014 23:29
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sansuki posted:I never knew the story of Freya and her necklace. Norse mythology is just overflowing with sex and boobs and people tying their balls to goats. I wonder if that story about how Odin's horse was born happened in OotS...
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Jul 22, 2014 23:33
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Wanderer posted:Well, it's not like Bram Stoker's Dracula wasn't Victorian-era pornography. If you compare it to contemporaneous literature, it's straight raunchy, and marks the beginning of the frequent use of vampires as a metaphor for sexual politics in the Western canon. Bram Stoker's Dracula was the unsexiest vampire ever. He literally smelled like dead old man and he had this ultra grody mustache. Dude was nasty. And it's not like Victorian era books weren't smutty. They just normally made sure to kill off the sluttiest characters before the book ended. Or married them off to assholes.
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Jul 22, 2014 23:41
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sansuki posted:I never knew the story of Freya and her necklace. Norse mythology is just overflowing with sex and boobs and people tying their balls to goats. Makes sense that the Dwarves wouldn't consider it a tragic story. 
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Jul 23, 2014 00:16
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Soylentbits posted:Bram Stoker's Dracula was the unsexiest vampire ever. He literally smelled like dead old man and he had this ultra grody mustache. Dude was nasty. His brides, on the other hand, and Mina...
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Wanderer posted:His brides, on the other hand, and Mina... I will concede that. Dracula was straights nasty though.
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Jul 23, 2014 00:32
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Dolash posted:For some reason the dialogue felt a little too clunky in this one, Almost every single line is a fourth wall joke. You're going too meta, Rich, pull up, pull up!
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Soylentbits posted:Bram Stoker's Dracula was the unsexiest vampire ever. He literally smelled like dead old man and he had this ultra grody mustache. Dude was nasty. And it's not like Victorian era books weren't smutty. They just normally made sure to kill off the sluttiest characters before the book ended. Or married them off to assholes. Vampires reflect the sexual politics of the time. Dracula was a tale of the landed aristocracy who predated upon the young and beautiful. 80s vampires are all about drugs and staying up all night. Modern vampires know that biting someone is dangerous and if the vampire really loves you he'll only do it after you're married.
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YouTuber posted:They only remember their specific prophecy and nothing else about the area or even what the Oracle looks like. Roy circumvented this with his ghost stunt to a degree. Roy should know.
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Roy only knows that Durkon is going home post-humously, not the bit about bringing death and destruction to the dwarven homelands. He probably just assumes the Oracle was being his usual pithy self. EDIT: also, random slightly tangential question; if the Oracle can see the future, and he was given this ability by Tiamat, and he knew V was going to go on a wave of dragon-genocidal destruction, why would Tiamat be surprised and very angry when it happened? Or is that not how gods work in D&D, or am I just thinking about it too hard? Wolfsheim fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Gods are notably short-sighted, even when they play a long game. Unless specified otherwise, any god should be able to scry the future to some degree, with high accuracy, whenever they want. It seems that they often don't. My personal theory is that those that could DO, at least at first, but that poo poo gets mad dull and they give up on it eventually. More fun to role with the punches.
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Spend all your time looking into possible futures and you're going to miss what is going on in the present. Sure, what OotS are doing is important, but gods probably have dozens of potentially cataclysmic balls in the air all the time.
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I like to think that it's more of " Here are X things that will happen *within a % margin of error" but doesn't say every detail.
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Cthulhuchan posted:Gods are notably short-sighted, even when they play a long game. Unless specified otherwise, any god should be able to scry the future to some degree, with high accuracy, whenever they want. It seems that they often don't. The reason why gods don't look into their own or each other's futures more is because once their future is determined, it becomes a fact. It cannot be escaped or altered. Prophecy is a bitch in mythology, but at least the mortals have a chance of twisting it to their benefit. Thor is going to be poisoned by Jormungand, he will take nine steps, and he, along with most of the Aesir, will die. If some prophet says the Horse god is going to eat a bowl of peanuts tomorrow at 9 AM, then Horse god had best resign himself to that fact, allergies or no.
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Jul 23, 2014 11:50
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No Golden Path in D&D, I take it.
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MikeJF posted:No Golden Path in D&D, I take it. Not without eugenics.
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I think why Durkula chomps on Elan so suddenly is because he was playing a song, Durkula doesn't recognize it and asks "Hey, what's that song?" We were just about to get to the part where Elan reveals that it's a classic dwarven song that Durkon would know just from the first couple of bars, but Durkula realizes this error, chomps on Elan to shut him up, and downloads more folk songs from Durkon's memory. In other words he's eventually going to slip up.
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Or just, everybody hates bards.
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Johnny Aztec posted:I like to think that it's more of " Here are X things that will happen *within a % margin of error" but doesn't say every detail. That would be very useful. But given that the gods apparently don't scry everything in advance, it probably doesn't work that way. A god could possibly set up his divine helpers (priests, oracles, archons or whatever) to scry various significant lines of inquiry and compile the results into reports subject to comprehensive statistical analysis. Unfortunately most pantheons do not have a God of Management.
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Angela Christine posted:Unfortunately most pantheons do not have a God of Management. I bet the Discworld pantheon does.
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razorrozar posted:I bet the Discworld pantheon does. Not need to resort to fictional ones. China has the Celestial Bureaucracy, with its fair share of clerks (the Chinese Emperors being in the lower ranks  )
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razorrozar posted:I bet the Discworld pantheon does. If it didn't, it does now because I believe in it.
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Gee, I sure hope Rich is o  http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0959.html
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Jul 25, 2014 06:51
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So is this the "check off a bunch of stuff people have complained about in the past" strip or what?
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Haley is so great.
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Colonel Cool posted:So is this the "check off a bunch of stuff people have complained about in the past" strip or what?
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It's not easy for women in the adventurer/airship/comic-book-character world. But hey, that's this book's Bechdel test out of the way!
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Jul 25, 2014 12:57
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Oh I thought the other guy was a dude.
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Surely OoTS has beaten the Bechdel Test many times now, such as when Haley was running the Azure City resistance or when she was in Greysky city with Cecilia (and her antagonistic relationship with Crystal) or when Miko was in the party.
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DeadBonesBrook posted:Surely OoTS has beaten the Bechdel Test many times now, such as when Haley was running the Azure City resistance or when she was in Greysky city with Cecilia (and her antagonistic relationship with Crystal) or when Miko was in the party. This book's.
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Dolash meant this book, not for the strip as a whole. Anyway the Bechdel test doesn't work like that -- it's a test on the industry as a whole rather than any one work. The point isn't whether any one individual book/film fails it, the point is the massive disparity between the number of films where two women talk to each other about something that isn't a man, and the number of films where two men talk to each other about something that isn't a woman.
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Soylentbits posted:Bram Stoker's Dracula was the unsexiest vampire ever. He literally smelled like dead old man and he had this ultra grody mustache. Dude was nasty. And it's not like Victorian era books weren't smutty. They just normally made sure to kill off the sluttiest characters before the book ended. Or married them off to assholes. Not exactly. Dracula has a terrifying aspect but it's deliberately evocative of a Victorian notion of predatory, impermissible male sexuality. He has hairy palms (really), bright red lips, and in general a figure that's all at odds between horrifying/gnarled and sleek/fetching. Example: the book's description of his hands. Bram Stoker posted:Hitherto I had noticed the backs of his hands as they lay on his knees in the firelight, and they had seemed rather white and fine. But seeing them now close to me, I could not but notice that they were rather coarse, broad, with squat fingers. Strange to say, there were hairs in the centre of the palm. The nails were long and fine, and cut to a sharp point. Dracula's appearance is very much an unsettling mixture of the brutish, oversexed predator with the fine-featured and alluring aristocrat. He isn't meant to be attractive to the reader, unlike many modern vampires, but he's definitely meant to evoke uncomfortable ideas of sexuality with his distinctive looks. Sorry, you guys. I just love talking about Dracula. Android Blues fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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Well he had hairy palms, so he certainyl evoked some sexual ideas 
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ANIME MONSTROSITY posted:Well he had hairy palms, so he certainyl evoked some sexual ideas Yeah totally! That's very much in there as an allusion to the idea that sexual preoccupation/masturbation make hair grow in a man's palms. He's meant to evoke this nasty, brutish male sexuality mingled with the elegant gentility of the upper classes, and the way in which he blends those aesthetics is key to his unsettling affect.
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Android Blues posted:Yeah totally! That's very much in there as an allusion to the idea that sexual preoccupation/masturbation make hair grow in a man's palms. He's meant to evoke this nasty, brutish male sexuality mingled with the elegant gentility of the upper classes, and the way in which he blends those aesthetics is key to his unsettling affect. It's kinda sad how much gets lost as society moves on. We're in a better place now, unambiguously, but so much of that nuance gets lost to progress.
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