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Well, that answers the question if people in this world actually know how vampirism works.
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If I were that cleric, I'd blow a sending to Roy right after this.
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Nov 21, 2014 04:50
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I liked the joke at the end, yay me.
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Nov 21, 2014 05:15
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MikeJF posted:If I were that cleric, I'd blow a sending to Roy right after this. Will he realize he was vampire-dominated once it wears off? Also, I didn't catch if Roy made introductions, he may have deliberately not so the temple can't hunt them down later if they can't get Durkon resurrected.
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Nov 21, 2014 05:53
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So the way vampires work is basically common knowledge among clerics? Durkula's taking a risk there, surely someone will eventually be able to blurt the truth out, or at least shove a pamphlet into Roy's hand. (if this were real life and not a comic where plot takes precedence over MY IMMERSION.) Also it sounds like he's looking for something specific, and the return of DUN DUN DUN probably means it's something more ominous than a funny gnome hat souvenir or whatever. e: souvenir is a hard word to spell Zoe fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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Nov 21, 2014 06:15
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Zoe posted:e: souvenir is a hard word to spell I blame the french.
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Zoe posted:So the way vampires work is basically common knowledge among clerics? Durkula's taking a risk there, surely someone will eventually be able to blurt the truth out, or at least shove a pamphlet into Roy's hand. (if this were real life and not a comic where plot takes precedence over MY IMMERSION.) It's probably a Knowledge: Religion check.
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Nov 21, 2014 06:43
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Zoe posted:Also it sounds like he's looking for something specific, and the return of DUN DUN DUN probably means it's something more ominous than a funny gnome hat souvenir or whatever. He could be looking for clerics who are high-level enough to resurrect him.
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Nov 21, 2014 08:51
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He's probably looking for a sleeper agent of Hel.
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Nov 21, 2014 09:48
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He's scouting out all the clerics so he can come back in the night to vamp them all. Suddenly Hel will have the most potent force of clerics of all Northern gods.
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nimby posted:He's scouting out all the clerics so he can come back in the night to vamp them all. Suddenly Hel will have the most potent force of clerics of all Northern gods. Is there a mechanic limiting chainvamping?
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MikeJF posted:Is there a mechanic limiting chainvamping? Not in D&D! Vampire: the Requiem has the sire expending permanent Willpower (goes to 10, starting characters will have 3-6) to do it, but D&D vamps can just go on a draining spree.
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Sefer posted:It's probably a Knowledge: Religion check. Yep, this is indeed the case--turns out reading the first couple pages of the main site thread isn't always a decision to deeply regret forever! According to Burlew, it's not exactly common knowledge, more like something 1 in 4 clerics might know. Which is convenient because there are exactly four clerics shown in this strip, and only one of them realized what was really up. (See his horrified expression in the first panel compared to the others, nice touch.) And someone else pointed out that Roy's obliviousness to the domination is basically a recurrence of his brushing off the deva trying to warn him about V, and his established character flaw of just generally not giving a poo poo about non plot-relevant NPCs.
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It seems risky to base your entire evil plan on clerics failing Will saves. Even if they are a bunch of levels lower than you, clerics are really good at Will saves.
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He might not have known that other people would know. Durkon had a terrible knowledge religion score in life and may have given the spirit the wrong impression.
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Nov 21, 2014 18:44
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This is part of the reason why I didn't like it being as clear cut as Durkon's soul being trapped by a vampire as it depends a lot more on circumstances somehow happening just right.
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MikeJF posted:Is there a mechanic limiting chainvamping? Well he can only command as much vampires or vampire spawn as he has Hit die. However this extends down to his controlled Vampires as well.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Well he can only command as much vampires or vampire spawn as he has Hit die. However this extends down to his controlled Vampires as well. The feudal system is a marvelous thing.
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Does the head vampire control the vampires two steps removed from them, or do those third-generation vampires only respect their immediate superior who happens to be controlled by the original? Does this mean a vampire who must obey their creator could get out of that arrangement by making a vampire of their own and then arming that minion to take out their master? Wait this sounds familiar...
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That assumes the first command given by the master vampire isn't "Serve my interests in every aspect of your existence."
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Dolash posted:Does the head vampire control the vampires two steps removed from them, or do those third-generation vampires only respect their immediate superior who happens to be controlled by the original? Does this mean a vampire who must obey their creator could get out of that arrangement by making a vampire of their own and then arming that minion to take out their master? Correct in order to have a 3rd gen Vampiire obey them they would have to relay commands through higher up vampires. However this also means that just one of the higher up vampires die then the Original Vampire loses control of all of the spawn crated by that one and so on.
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 New strip! It's Only His SECOND Favorite Cuisine http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0969.html
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Well it's been joked about before, but I think that might be the first time Belkar has actually registered as an Evil being in strip. Unless I'm mistaken, he's always managed to weasel out of an actual detection in every previous instance of the joke.
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Dec 1, 2014 16:11
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He reacted to the holy word before
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What're the odds of his new vest resisting Durkon's compulsions? I assume he's gonna try and get Durkon to use the Protection from Evil somehow. Or possibly give it to one of his party members to protect them when the Durkon real fight goes down. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Dec 1, 2014 |
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Also way back in the beginning, he was immune to Unholy Blight. These gnomes are all so friendly and trusting. I dread to see what kind of evil Durkula's brewing.  E: I imagine that either the spell still works and the brooch just hurts Belkar, or by the time he needs to use it, his alignment will have changed to Chaotic Neutral (he dies soon after, redeemed). Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Dec 1, 2014 |
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Jeeze, man, just switch to protection from law.
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As if Belkar is even aware Protection from Law is a thing.
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Or that Durkula would be lawful evil. Hell, since it's not even a corrupted Durkon, but an entirely different soul, he might not be. Also Tinker Town doesn't seem like the kind of place where you'd sell that kind of thing!
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I'm really gonna miss the little guy.  And Durkula is definitely lawful evil based on him getting a barbed devil out of his Planar Ally spell. MikeJF posted:What're the odds of his new vest resisting Durkon's compulsions? Colonel Cool fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Dec 1, 2014 |
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So, what, is he going to put it on just in time to do something noble and heroic and realize it's not affecting him?
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Is that something that could actually kill Belkar if he activated it while already badly injured? And is it usable just to ward off something evil or would it hurt them as well? Also I made an involuntarily little squeeing sound at Belkar implying the possession of an actual conscience in the last panel. I guess at some point I turned into a Belkar fangirl and didn't even realize it...weird because there have been so many points in the comic when I couldn't stand the character but I guess it was actually just his psychopath schtick I was sick of. While 'evil person gradually becomes less evil' on the other hand is one of my favorite styles of character arc in any kind of fiction.
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It hurting him at all is just flavour text really. The spell shouldn't actually do anything negative to him when it's cast on him other than stinging a little. It's still a perfectly serviceable magic item that should stop the domination gaze from working so long as the spell stays up.
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^^^Where is everyone getting those avatars? And Durkula can't just blow right past it on account of being a high level vampire cleric casting domination on a halfling with all the Wisdom of a wet noodle? Either way I wonder how much longer we can realistically go without a direct confrontation between those two. And how much more painful the 'Roy is blind and really, really dumb' strips will get before we get there. fake edit: Also I somehow managed to skim right past the Banjo joke the first time, holy poo poo this strip has everything.
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It's the new stupid newbie avatar, apparently. Protection from Evil is a hard counter to domination that doesn't rely on Belkar's abilities in any way. But it only works so long as the spell stays up so it's perfectly viable for Durkon to just dispel it.
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Ah, okay. Well I guess that's one incentive to change it. on topic: So if all it takes is a dispel spell than Belkar still can't match up to him in a fight. I wonder if he has the sense to keep it hidden away as an ace in the hole for the inevitable showdown...normally I say 'haha no' but he displayed all kinds of surprising brain activity in this one comic alone so who knows. Also I'm kind of wondering if we'll see more of this gnome lady with the sweet goggles, seems like a lot of work went into her design just for one strip. Zoe fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Dec 1, 2014 |
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Colonel Cool posted:And Durkula is definitely lawful evil based on him getting a barbed devil out of his Planar Ally spell. Ahh, fair. Colonel Cool posted:It hurting him at all is just flavour text really. The spell shouldn't actually do anything negative to him when it's cast on him other than stinging a little. It's still a perfectly serviceable magic item that should stop the domination gaze from working so long as the spell stays up. Maybe it gives a negative level? I think that's the standard effect for evil characters trying to use good items and vice versa.
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I think if it was a good item then it would trigger on him equipping it, not on him activating the spell... But I guess a negative level seems like a reasonable enough houserule for an evil character having it cast on him?
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MonsterEnvy posted:Correct in order to have a 3rd gen Vampiire obey them they would have to relay commands through higher up vampires. However this also means that just one of the higher up vampires die then the Original Vampire loses control of all of the spawn crated by that one and so on. Vampire Alpha could simply order his direct inferiors to order all their inferiors to obey his commands at all times. That way he doesn't need to relay orders and can just do it himself.
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