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nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

zorachus posted:

The guy from the build team swears that he didn't touch the LUNs on the repurposed server, but it's possible that their automated new build process reinitializes any attached storage. I just thought that it was strange that I was able to recreate the devices with mknod and that mount recognized them as ASM partitions.

If the re purposed server used ASM, it might have recognized them as ASM and automatically zapped them. I'm still a newb at the oracle part of oracle, tho i've been supporting OS operations for oracle boxes for years now.

Did your DBA get to the part where he imported the devices into oracle upon setup? From what I remember, that would have done it.

From what i remember w/ powerpath, you shouldn't need to mknod powerpath devices, EMC powerpath should be doing this for you. I don't work with it THAT much, but perhaps there's some powerpath magic you could have done to get the nodes back.

Having said that, with what little info you have, i'm pretty sure the 3rd re purposed server zapped the contents of the storage.

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Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


Corvettefisher posted:

Anyone know a simple fix to get Squid to cache youtube videos? One of the main reasons I have squid is for that purpose

Good luck. Here's some solutions, but none are perfect.

http://wiki.squid-cache.org/ConfigE...Content/YouTube

Back a long time ago (when I used to use squid) I was able to just increase the max_object size to something like 2GB and that worked great. But then the server stores a copy of every video watched so that uses a ton of disk space (hurr the point of a cache right?)

Then they merged with Google video so not all requests come from YouTube, and then they made it so you can stream a video from more than one server, it all turned into a huge pain in the dick.

Comradephate
Feb 28, 2009


Thanks to everyone who replied! I will get started on doing those things, having some direction already makes me feel a lot less lost.

Bob Morales: Thanks for the offer, I really appreciate it. I have a server in my basement running a couple of VMs that I've been using, plus I work for a hosting company, and can set up test accounts if I want, so I'm okay on that front.

Corvettefisher
Sep 8, 2007



Bob Morales posted:

Good luck. Here's some solutions, but none are perfect.

http://wiki.squid-cache.org/ConfigE...Content/YouTube

Back a long time ago (when I used to use squid) I was able to just increase the max_object size to something like 2GB and that worked great. But then the server stores a copy of every video watched so that uses a ton of disk space (hurr the point of a cache right?)

Then they merged with Google video so not all requests come from YouTube, and then they made it so you can stream a video from more than one server, it all turned into a huge pain in the dick.

Yeah and all the different resolutions... sigh welp something is better than noting I guess

zorachus
Sep 4, 2009


nitrogen posted:

If the re purposed server used ASM, it might have recognized them as ASM and automatically zapped them. I'm still a newb at the oracle part of oracle, tho i've been supporting OS operations for oracle boxes for years now.

Did your DBA get to the part where he imported the devices into oracle upon setup? From what I remember, that would have done it.

From what i remember w/ powerpath, you shouldn't need to mknod powerpath devices, EMC powerpath should be doing this for you. I don't work with it THAT much, but perhaps there's some powerpath magic you could have done to get the nodes back.

Having said that, with what little info you have, i'm pretty sure the 3rd re purposed server zapped the contents of the storage.

I think that you're probably right. I'll talk to the build guy and see if he'll let me take a look at their build process. It's worth mentioning that the repurposed server was turned over to the DBAs already, so even if the build team didn't touch those LUNs, the DBAs may have.

Just scanning for ASM disks shouldn't affect them, but it's looking more and more like they reinitialized them.

I agree that you shouldn't have to mknod PowerPath devices; it was a last-ditch effort to recover the partitions.

Thanks for the insight. We assumed that they were gone, but I had to at least explore every avenue available.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


Corvettefisher posted:

Yeah and all the different resolutions... sigh welp something is better than noting I guess

acl youtube_domains dstdomain .youtube.com .googlevideo.com .ytimg.com

http_access deny youtube_domains

Corvettefisher
Sep 8, 2007



Bob Morales posted:

acl youtube_domains dstdomain .youtube.com .googlevideo.com .ytimg.com

http_access deny youtube_domains



BUT HOW DO YOU SUPPOSE A BUSINESS RUNS WITHOUT 30_minutes_of_Cuite_kittens_1080p.flv Seriously managers need this stuff for... uhh... IMPORTANT THINGS!

or so I am told

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


Corvettefisher posted:

BUT HOW DO YOU SUPPOSE A BUSINESS RUNS WITHOUT 30_minutes_of_Cuite_kittens_1080p.flv Seriously managers need this stuff for... uhh... IMPORTANT THINGS!

or so I am told

We spent a bunch of time making a Youtube account, making the page look pretty, getting the video links working with our CMS, etc

Then we start getting the question of "We can't see your videos because YouTube is blocked by our IT department"

(We have demo and marketing videos of our products that we show on our website)

So now we had to track down some Flash player and host the videos ourselves on our overtaxed webserver. Then re-do all our pages. Thankfully it's just bandwidth which we have 150mbs unlimited of.

edit: ^^

code:
top - 10:52:21 up 7 days, 40 min,  5 users,  load average: 20.19, 29.08, 30.12
Tasks: 568 total,   5 running, 563 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu(s): 30.0%us,  5.1%sy,  0.1%ni, 63.7%id,  0.1%wa,  0.1%hi,  0.9%si,  0.0%st
Mem:  12299892k total, 11558400k used,   741492k free,    65640k buffers
Swap:  2096472k total,  1605448k used,   491024k free,   284480k cached

Bob Morales fucked around with this message at Sep 26, 2011 around 15:52

Kaluza-Klein
Jun 27, 2004

Associate Christ

I just did a dist upgrade on a debian box from squeeze to testing.

mysql will no longer start >:(.

As far as I can tell, debian has changed from using /var/run to just /run? So /var/run/mysqld is now /run/mysqld. Fine, I did a find/replace in /etc/mysql/my.cnf and debian.cnf. Still no dice.

/var/run/mysqld and /run/mysqld both exist, exact same permissions/user/group and both empty.

What else am I missing here? syslog just has an error that it can't find the socket in /run/mysqld.

ps I don't really know what I am doing, this is just a box I gently caress around on (gently caress things up on).

Kaluza-Klein fucked around with this message at Sep 27, 2011 around 02:13

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008

TFR 2011: All Brony, all the time.



Check your /var/log/mysql* logs

Kaluza-Klein
Jun 27, 2004

Associate Christ

spankmeister posted:

Check your /var/log/mysql* logs

Even after turning logging on, the mysql log was empty. syslog was saying that it couldn't create/find the socket file.

On a restart of the server, mysql came up, but eth0 didn't. Turns out the server is all sorts of confused, as it was set to use dhcp, but didn't have the ifupdown package or a dhcp client installed. After sorting that out, things seem to be working ok, for now.

I am really thinking I need to back up everything and this sucker. It seems to have problems all the time, and I swear not all of them can be pinned directly on me!

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


I have a Ruby On Rails related question regarding Apache web server, load balancers, and network file systems.

Right now we have a web server that runs 15 or so web apps. They're all similar but different, newer, older, whatever. There's also a MySQL database server, both systems run in RHEL and are on a dual-quad Xeon L5520 with 24GB of RAM running VMware.

Everything has been fine up until the last few weeks where we launched two new apps and have seen a ton of new traffic. All 8 vCPU's on the web server get pegged from 10:00am to 1:00pm. We're speeding up some pages in the app but the bottom line is we're going to need more capability, if not now in the very near future. The load average on the server goes over 50, it gets really unresponsive over 20. Pages take 5-10 seconds to load if at all.

What I was thinking about doing was getting a second web server. I was thinking another dual-quad Xeon with 16 cores, but possibly bare metal. Because of how our site works, I can't simply clone the web server to the other, or deploy to two servers with Capistrano. We need to write uploaded files (and existing files) on the server. I guess we could have some sort of rsync job running between the two, because it's mostly avatar-type images that get uploaded, and app-specific files (custom pages for certain customers, etc).

What I was thinking of doing is having some sort of shared storage. I just don't know what kind. Should I have a VM running openfiler or something and share it to both of the web servers? NFS, SMB, iSCSI...? Of course we'd set the firewall to only accept connections from the webservers (the second server will be in the same datacenter but not necessarily in the same rack). Or, should I just share the /var/www/apps directory from the first web server (or the second one?) I could also spin up a VM on our existing server (I have 4 unused vCPU's) and can double the RAM to 48GB (our DB server could use a boost)

The end result being we have our current 8-core web server along with a new 16-core web server serving up pages. I was thinking of using HAproxy on one of the servers (probably the 16-core) as a load balancer.

Thoughts?

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

Bob Morales posted:

Thoughts?

Couple dumb questions first off:

Is your vmware host cpu-bound/oversubscribed? Have you checked the host and guest?
does your guest look like it's io bound or cpu bound?

Reason I ask is because this sounds like a classic case of oversubscription of CPU resources on vmware host.

PRO TIP: vcpu's on vmware guests don't work like you'd think they would.

if you're cpu tick starved, having 2 or 4 vcpu's will make your guest WORSE off. Each of those VCPU's will need a tick before any work gets done.

Based on what info you gave, this might be a possibility. I would see stuff like this all the time in my previous position.

As far as scaling, scaling out is almost always better for this.

nitrogen fucked around with this message at Sep 28, 2011 around 03:55

JHVH-1
Jun 28, 2002


Bob Morales posted:

I have a Ruby On Rails related question regarding Apache web server, load balancers, and network file systems.

Right now we have a web server that runs 15 or so web apps. They're all similar but different, newer, older, whatever. There's also a MySQL database server, both systems run in RHEL and are on a dual-quad Xeon L5520 with 24GB of RAM running VMware.

Everything has been fine up until the last few weeks where we launched two new apps and have seen a ton of new traffic. All 8 vCPU's on the web server get pegged from 10:00am to 1:00pm. We're speeding up some pages in the app but the bottom line is we're going to need more capability, if not now in the very near future. The load average on the server goes over 50, it gets really unresponsive over 20. Pages take 5-10 seconds to load if at all.

What I was thinking about doing was getting a second web server. I was thinking another dual-quad Xeon with 16 cores, but possibly bare metal. Because of how our site works, I can't simply clone the web server to the other, or deploy to two servers with Capistrano. We need to write uploaded files (and existing files) on the server. I guess we could have some sort of rsync job running between the two, because it's mostly avatar-type images that get uploaded, and app-specific files (custom pages for certain customers, etc).

What I was thinking of doing is having some sort of shared storage. I just don't know what kind. Should I have a VM running openfiler or something and share it to both of the web servers? NFS, SMB, iSCSI...? Of course we'd set the firewall to only accept connections from the webservers (the second server will be in the same datacenter but not necessarily in the same rack). Or, should I just share the /var/www/apps directory from the first web server (or the second one?) I could also spin up a VM on our existing server (I have 4 unused vCPU's) and can double the RAM to 48GB (our DB server could use a boost)

The end result being we have our current 8-core web server along with a new 16-core web server serving up pages. I was thinking of using HAproxy on one of the servers (probably the 16-core) as a load balancer.

Thoughts?

Too many variables there to work with, you should try and figure out where your major bottleneck is. If your DB is slow, then your web app can take a hit because of it. The queries are waiting longer and it keeps processes open longer using more CPU. If your disk I/O is an issue then throwing CPU cores at it doesn't help. Usually NFS would be done with a direct connection, I don't know how well that would work if you have it mounted going through a public IP. You can sync up servers automatically using rsync and inotifyd or lsynd, and then mount your uploads directory via NFS. That is what I set up for a customer the other day and it sorted out their issues with their heartbeat lvs setup.

Or just ditch apache altogether, switch to nginx+ rails, get some caching going on (something like memcache, or put varnish cache in front). You have to convert htaccess rewrites to nginx configs, or you do a setup like put nginx in front tell it to serve all static content and send everything else to apache which listens on another port (like 8080).

Wheelchair Stunts
Dec 17, 2005

by Y Kant Ozma Post


For configuration I would also suggest using some kind of version control. Even just doing 'git init' and keeping it local can be incredibly helpful. Have something that occurred a string of edits ago? Revert that bitch. Totally blew everything the gently caress up and holy poo poo everything's on fire? Rollback son.

Learn it, live it, love it. Wisdom.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008

TFR 2011: All Brony, all the time.



Wheelchair Stunts posted:

For configuration I would also suggest using some kind of version control. Even just doing 'git init' and keeping it local can be incredibly helpful. Have something that occurred a string of edits ago? Revert that bitch. Totally blew everything the gently caress up and holy poo poo everything's on fire? Rollback son.

Learn it, live it, love it. Wisdom.

This.
It just works really well. I learned this from a crusty old Unix admin, he uses RCS for the purpose, which is ancient but still works of course.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


nitrogen posted:

Couple dumb questions first off:

Is your vmware host cpu-bound/oversubscribed? Have you checked the host and guest?
does your guest look like it's io bound or cpu bound?

Reason I ask is because this sounds like a classic case of oversubscription of CPU resources on vmware host.

PRO TIP: vcpu's on vmware guests don't work like you'd think they would.

if you're cpu tick starved, having 2 or 4 vcpu's will make your guest WORSE off. Each of those VCPU's will need a tick before any work gets done.

Based on what info you gave, this might be a possibility. I would see stuff like this all the time in my previous position.

As far as scaling, scaling out is almost always better for this.

We are CPU bound. We don't max the SQL server's CPU's out, we have 150mb/s bandwidth that we are using a total of 6mb/s of, and we aren't swapping. We have 300 clients in the queue at our busiest times according to passenger-stats. We either need more processors, or faster processors. All 8 cpu's are maxed out at our peak hours.

We went from 5 vCPU's to 8 yesterday, and it helped, but it's still not enough. I've thought about leaving the busiest 2 sites (the new ones that have been giving us the problems) on the existing server and then spinning up another 4 vCPU (what we have un-allocated) to serve the rest (since we had 5 doing those before with no issues).

Megiddo
Apr 27, 2004

Unicorns bite, but their bites feel GOOD.

If I mount a Windows share using CIFS via fstab, will it hang the system on boot indefinitely if the share is not accessible, or is there a way to set a timeout for connecting to CIFS shares?

If the share gets disconnected after the system is running, will it reconnect to the share automatically?

I could set up a cron job that runs every hour to mount the shares, but I don't want to have to mess with the sudoers file if I don't have to.

This system is running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008

TFR 2011: All Brony, all the time.



Megiddo posted:

I could set up a cron job that runs every hour to mount the shares, but I don't want to have to mess with the sudoers file if I don't have to.
Why would you mess with the sudoers file if cron runs as root?

Crush
Jan 18, 2004
jot bought me this account, I now have to suck him off.

I am trying to understand chmod better. I understand that there is user, group, others, and all. I understand that the different numbers mean different permissions for these different users.

My questions are:
  • Is the "user" the creator of the file? Can this change somehow?
  • What is the "group?"
  • What are "others" if they are not "all?"
  • Why are most examples of chmod only 3 digits and not 4 digits (e.g., 777, 644, etc.)

Thank you very much

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007



Crush posted:

I am trying to understand chmod better. I understand that there is user, group, others, and all. I understand that the different numbers mean different permissions for these different users.

My questions are:
  • Is the "user" the creator of the file? Can this change somehow?
  • What is the "group?"
  • What are "others" if they are not "all?"
  • Why are most examples of chmod only 3 digits and not 4 digits (e.g., 777, 644, etc.)

Thank you very much

The user is the owner of the file. By default a file you create is owned by you, but you can use the chown command to change that. Same with the group, by default your default group is the group of a file, but that can be changed with the chgrp command. Anybody that is a member of the group has the middle (or 3rd, if 4 digits) permissions. Others is the same as all.

The 4th digit of chmod is for "special permissions"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod#Special_modes
4 is setuid, 2 is setgid, and 1 is sticky bit.

Megiddo
Apr 27, 2004

Unicorns bite, but their bites feel GOOD.

spankmeister posted:

Why would you mess with the sudoers file if cron runs as root?
I was trying to have the mount commands as both a script that runs when a user logged on and a script running at a specific interval. I guess I was confusing the former with the latter and didn't realize that the cron job wouldn't need a sudo command.

Crush
Jan 18, 2004
jot bought me this account, I now have to suck him off.

FISHMANPET posted:

The user is the owner of the file. By default a file you create is owned by you, but you can use the chown command to change that. Same with the group, by default your default group is the group of a file, but that can be changed with the chgrp command. Anybody that is a member of the group has the middle (or 3rd, if 4 digits) permissions. Others is the same as all.

The 4th digit of chmod is for "special permissions"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod#Special_modes
4 is setuid, 2 is setgid, and 1 is sticky bit.

Thanks!

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008

TFR 2011: All Brony, all the time.



Megiddo posted:

I was trying to have the mount commands as both a script that runs when a user logged on and a script running at a specific interval. I guess I was confusing the former with the latter and didn't realize that the cron job wouldn't need a sudo command.

In cron commands run as root by default but you can run commands as other users in three ways:

In the system crontab (/etc/crontab) you put the command like so:
*/5 * * * * <user> <command>
(This command runs every five minutes)
This works the same for the /etc/cron.d/ files because they get included to the system crontab.

You can edit the respective users' crontab:
crontab -u <user> -e
*/5 * * * * <command>
You leave out the user it has to run as

Lastly, something I see on old unices:
in root's crontab (run crontab -e as root)
*/5 * * * * su - <username> -c "<command>"
This uses root's crontab to run the command as root but it actually runs it as the other user via su.


As for your original problem, cifs itself doesn't really have any options to fix that afaik. You could look into autofs/automounter.

nitrogen
May 21, 2004

Oh, what's a 217°C difference between friends?

^^^^

Megiddo posted:

I was trying to have the mount commands as both a script that runs when a user logged on and a script running at a specific interval. I guess I was confusing the former with the latter and didn't realize that the cron job wouldn't need a sudo command.

Look into using the Automounter.
EDIT: BEATEN. (shoulda looked.)

Megiddo
Apr 27, 2004

Unicorns bite, but their bites feel GOOD.

AutoFS seems to work, so thanks everybody for the suggestion. I wasn't sure if it would work with the audio software I'm using and its dropbox system, but so far so good.

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007



Megiddo posted:

AutoFS seems to work, so thanks everybody for the suggestion. I wasn't sure if it would work with the audio software I'm using and its dropbox system, but so far so good.

A program doesn't have to be compatible with autofs, if it can use a file system, it an use autofs. When the program makes a call to an automounted file system, the automounter just mounts it if it needs to.

Megiddo
Apr 27, 2004

Unicorns bite, but their bites feel GOOD.

FISHMANPET posted:

A program doesn't have to be compatible with autofs, if it can use a file system, it an use autofs. When the program makes a call to an automounted file system, the automounter just mounts it if it needs to.
I get that, but without knowing the exact details of how the software's dropbox system works I was still afraid it would somehow have issues.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


These Fedora cheatcubes are kind of neat:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:..._Cube_Users.png

bimmian
Oct 16, 2008


Any suggestions for a syslog web frontend?

muskrat
Aug 15, 2004


bimmian posted:

Any suggestions for a syslog web frontend?

Try LogZilla (formerly php-syslog-ng): http://www.logzilla.pro/

Splunk is also popular, though I think it's a bit more of a complete package as opposed to just a frontend -- a bit more "enterprise" for better or worse... http://www.splunk.com/download

bimmian
Oct 16, 2008


muskrat posted:

Try LogZilla (formerly php-syslog-ng): http://www.logzilla.pro/

Splunk is also popular, though I think it's a bit more of a complete package as opposed to just a frontend -- a bit more "enterprise" for better or worse... http://www.splunk.com/download

Too bad logzillas free version only supports 10 hosts. I needed more than that, ended up installing Adiscon LogAnalyzer (http://loganalyzer.adiscon.com/). Works well, good enough feature set for what we need it for.

FrozenLederhosen
Jul 27, 2006



I'm trying to find the best way to merge some simple text files between two computers on my home network. Basically I want to be able to edit the same file on either computer, and be able to switch computers at some point and be able to edit the same file (after the changes). This is simple when I am connected to the network, I can just use tramp in emacs to edit the remote file. But when I want to leave the network with my laptop, I'd like the changes to be applied to my home pc at some point without me manually initiating it.

I'd like to avoid dropbox for various reasons, and although git is overkill it would make it easy to handle diffs and I can just set up a cron job to periodically push the changes, but it seems a bit convoluted. rsync seems the best, but the problem is I can't figure out a way to merge the two files if I've edited them both independently when cron runs and wants to copy it one way or the other. Any ideas?

angrytech
Jun 26, 2009

by T. Mascis


Without Pants posted:

I'm trying to find the best way to merge some simple text files between two computers on my home network. Basically I want to be able to edit the same file on either computer, and be able to switch computers at some point and be able to edit the same file (after the changes). This is simple when I am connected to the network, I can just use tramp in emacs to edit the remote file. But when I want to leave the network with my laptop, I'd like the changes to be applied to my home pc at some point without me manually initiating it.

I'd like to avoid dropbox for various reasons, and although git is overkill it would make it easy to handle diffs and I can just set up a cron job to periodically push the changes, but it seems a bit convoluted. rsync seems the best, but the problem is I can't figure out a way to merge the two files if I've edited them both independently when cron runs and wants to copy it one way or the other. Any ideas?

Have you considered Ubuntu One? Its pretty slick for what you're describing, although I'm not sure how it handles conflicts.

alo
May 1, 2005
a mere salesman

Without Pants posted:

I'm trying to find the best way to merge some simple text files between two computers on my home network. Basically I want to be able to edit the same file on either computer, and be able to switch computers at some point and be able to edit the same file (after the changes). This is simple when I am connected to the network, I can just use tramp in emacs to edit the remote file. But when I want to leave the network with my laptop, I'd like the changes to be applied to my home pc at some point without me manually initiating it.

I'd like to avoid dropbox for various reasons, and although git is overkill it would make it easy to handle diffs and I can just set up a cron job to periodically push the changes, but it seems a bit convoluted. rsync seems the best, but the problem is I can't figure out a way to merge the two files if I've edited them both independently when cron runs and wants to copy it one way or the other. Any ideas?

Have you looked at Unison? (http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/) No personal experience with it, but the description seems spot on for your needs.

FrozenLederhosen
Jul 27, 2006



Thanks guys, I haven't checked out either of those.

evol262
Nov 30, 2010
#!/usr/bin/perl

Ripping my hair out on a new Pacemaker/cman/(OCFS2|GFS) config. I can't use the Pacemaker integration with OCFS2, since the Fedora team, in their wisdom, decided to remove the .pcmk.

Supposedly, I don't need to configure fencing in /etc/cluster/cluster.conf (the cman part, of course), and Pacemaker manages things fine if I have o2cb's cluster personality set to o2cb (rather than pcmk, which is unusable, or cman), but I lose fcntl() that way, whereas cman supports it.

o2cb/OCFS think they're running fine under cman, and the control daemons are brought up properly, but I'm unable to mount anything (which works fine with the volumes/o2cb tuned to o2cb as the cluster manager). OCFS2 volumes and GFS2 volumes (just to test them) both bomb out with something akin to:

dlm_join_lockspace no fence domain

STONITH is configured in Pacemaker, fenced is running (with no errors in the logfile there), and everything seems peachy. Except I can't get cluster filesystems to mount. Has anybody dealt with this before?

Misogynist
Jul 14, 2003

hubthumping

muskrat posted:

Splunk is also popular, though I think it's a bit more of a complete package as opposed to just a frontend -- a bit more "enterprise" for better or worse... http://www.splunk.com/download
You really need more than just a frontend if you want to do any real serious searching and log correlation, because you need to index all of that data in real-time. Generally, this necessitates running a custom syslogd.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


Does any of you guys read the Linux magazines?

I usually check them out at Barnes and Noble. Linux Format, Linux Pro, Linux Magazine, and Linux Journal. The ones with DVD's are pretty drat expensive (plus they are from Europe) like $16. I also don't see the point in buying a DVD since we've had cable internet for the last 10 years, so why pay extra for a distro that's a couple months old?

Maybe if I only had internet when I could find an open wifi station, and I could use one of those DVD's to install Linux on my laptop.

Anyway, sometimes I get some good tips or find out about apps I don't hear about online.

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LmaoTheKid
Oct 7, 2002

You know what it takes to set up goals in the NHL? It takes Brass Balls to set up goals in the NHL.


Bob Morales posted:

Does any of you guys read the Linux magazines?

I usually check them out at Barnes and Noble. Linux Format, Linux Pro, Linux Magazine, and Linux Journal. The ones with DVD's are pretty drat expensive (plus they are from Europe) like $16. I also don't see the point in buying a DVD since we've had cable internet for the last 10 years, so why pay extra for a distro that's a couple months old?

Maybe if I only had internet when I could find an open wifi station, and I could use one of those DVD's to install Linux on my laptop.

Anyway, sometimes I get some good tips or find out about apps I don't hear about online.

I'm hoping they make a lot of these available on Newsstand for iOS, along with a few other IT magazines. We'll see.

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