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Baron Bifford posted:You can always get the latest software with Windows. What is windows
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How does LP's method solve the problem of security updates? A million assholes all bundling their own identical versions of openSSL would have been a nightmare to deal with a few months ago. ninjaedit: and also, I might add, next month when the next openSSL RCE drops.
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Oct 23, 2014 19:35
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I am not a book posted:How does LP's method solve the problem of security updates? A million assholes all bundling their own identical versions of openSSL would have been a nightmare to deal with a few months ago. Most security updates are "core" enough that they'd come in the base image. The idea is not to have a million assholes bundling their own versions of OpenSSL (even though that's kind of the current distro situation), but to provided versioned trees that applications can link against to break up the fragmentation and mess of packaging for a million distros and ease deployment of software for vendors who don't want to use it (Spotify tends to be my punching bag here -- they package all the libraries they need like a "fat binary", but their "Linux" support is basically Ubuntu until someone from another distro pulls apart their latest update and wraps in a trivial specfile for whatever packaging system). Ideally, you'd just be able to update the OpenSSL framework/libraries (for 098 or 1.0, or whatever) in one go and everything linked against them would pick up updates, in much the same way as it works now. Except you wouldn't be locked into "this program only ships as an RPM and that one as a DEB, and I can't move off of RHEL6 or Ubuntu 12.04 or Yggdrasil or whatever because then my application will break horribly".
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Oct 23, 2014 20:31
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Elias_Maluco posted:Speaking about it, Im in need of replacing my Mint 15 here, what distro would you guys recommend for having the latest ATI drivers working without much fuckery? OpenSUSE 13.1 has been great for that on my machine with AMD graphics. I run Steam on multiple OpenSUSE installs here.
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Oct 23, 2014 20:34
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evol262 posted:Most security updates are "core" enough that they'd come in the base image. How is that different from distros implementing the .click framework?
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Oct 23, 2014 21:30
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I am not a book posted:How is that different from distros implementing the .click framework? The argument, broadly, is that distro package maintainers are rarely the people who actually write the software, and keeping track of how to build libfoo and how every application interacts with it, then tracking down bugs which are potentially fixed upstream and backporting fixes is a nightmare, especially when you're trying to keep track of how the build systems on multiple distros work and running into bugs only on Distro 99.1.0 because they updated some other package you depend on but not a version you ever tested with, when your software works fine everywhere else... Let developers maintain their own software and ship it in a sane, distro-agnostic way, basically. Distros packaging someframework is great. But when you're staring down the barrel of your software that runs on Ubuntu LTS or RHEL and you've got a 10-year support cycle, and now you've got code that branches depending on whether it's python 2.6 or python 2.7 or upstart or systemd and you're limited because it's 2 years into your development cycle and RHEL 7 came and there's a new library you'd love to use, but you know it might never make it to RHEL 6, and users don't like it when you tell them that this new feature won't unless they upgrade to a new major release (which might break their other stuff). So you can either not use the new library, or maybe try to package it for RHEL 6 yourself, and now you're hamstrung and your code is getting ugly branching logic for something you should never have to think about (like what version of Linux it's running on). It hampers development and progress.
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Oct 23, 2014 21:52
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For users of Arch: How do I make xdm work properly and not just dump me back into xdm when I enter my login?
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Oct 24, 2014 00:01
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evol262 posted:The argument, broadly, is that distro package maintainers are rarely the people who actually write the software, and keeping track of how to build libfoo and how every application interacts with it, then tracking down bugs which are potentially fixed upstream and backporting fixes is a nightmare, especially when you're trying to keep track of how the build systems on multiple distros work and running into bugs only on Distro 99.1.0 because they updated some other package you depend on but not a version you ever tested with, when your software works fine everywhere else... Clearly the solution is to only support the current version of OpenBSD. You want features? gently caress you. I unironically love openbsd
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Oct 24, 2014 01:31
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Danny Glands posted:For users of Arch: How do I make xdm work properly and not just dump me back into xdm when I enter my login? It sounds like your .xsession or .xinitrc is configured in a loop. I don't use a display manager so I don't know how it's supposed to look. I just log in and when I want to start the xserver I just startx. YouTuber fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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Oct 24, 2014 01:31
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YouTuber posted:It sounds like your .xsession or .xinitrc is configured in a loop. I don't use a display manager so I don't know how it's supposed to look. I just log in and when I want to start the xserver I just startx. startx in 20 loving 14 Arch users 
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Oct 24, 2014 01:55
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Oct 24, 2014 06:35
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spankmeister posted:startx in 20 loving 14 Because wanting all the free resources you can get is bad?
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Oct 24, 2014 16:06
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Megaman posted:Because wanting all the free resources you can get is bad? Hahahahahahaha "I use startx because of the sucking performance drain from lightdm/xdm/gdm"
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Oct 24, 2014 16:16
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Is placing the /home directory on a separate partition a good idea? I have a 120GB SSD and a 750GB HDD. What I've been doing up until now is have the entire OS (including /home) installed on the SSD, and storing my movies/music/documents on the HDD and using sym links under home (e.g. so that /home/Movies points to the HDD). But now I'm thinking, why not just have the entire /home directory physically located on the HDD? I realize that /home also contains configurations for many of my programs, which is the main thing that gives me pause. Thoughts?
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Oct 24, 2014 16:21
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caiman posted:Is placing the /home directory on a separate partition a good idea? I have a 120GB SSD and a 750GB HDD. What I've been doing up until now is have the entire OS (including /home) installed on the SSD, and storing my movies/music/documents on the HDD and using sym links under home (e.g. so that /home/Movies points to the HDD). I am not a book posted:How does LP's method solve the problem of security updates? A million assholes all bundling their own identical versions of openSSL would have been a nightmare to deal with a few months ago. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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Oct 24, 2014 16:33
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caiman posted:Is placing the /home directory on a separate partition a good idea? I have a 120GB SSD and a 750GB HDD. What I've been doing up until now is have the entire OS (including /home) installed on the SSD, and storing my movies/music/documents on the HDD and using sym links under home (e.g. so that /home/Movies points to the HDD).
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Oct 24, 2014 16:42
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Baron Bifford posted:I keep all my media and documents on an external hard drive which is mounted to /media/bifford. I don't keep anything in my /home directory. Hmm. Are there any disadvantages to this approach? For some reason I've been under the impression that /home is the best place to store media and documents. I can't recall now why I thought this.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:43
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Baron Bifford posted:Ah, so shared libraries is not just a matter of saving disk space.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:44
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unruly posted:I would recommend it, actually. It makes reinstalling a breeze. You just tell the installer not to nuke the other drive, but to mount it as /home and you're basically back to sanity. Make sure you have backups -- but that's something you should be doing anyway. Is there any slowdown resulting from program settings being located on a HDD, while the programs themselves are installed on the SSD?
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Oct 24, 2014 16:45
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evol262 posted:Hahahahahahaha Hey man, those take up too much ram. I need all the ram i can get for my ascii pron.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:47
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caiman posted:Hmm. Are there any disadvantages to this approach? For some reason I've been under the impression that /home is the best place to store media and documents. I can't recall now why I thought this.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:52
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caiman posted:Is there any slowdown resulting from program settings being located on a HDD, while the programs themselves are installed on the SSD? You can also look into using your SSD as a caching system for your HDD, much in the same vein as a traditional "hybrid" drive works, if you're interested. Generally, though, I just keep with / on the SSD and /home (and maybe something like /opt or /tmp (if you don't have tmp in RAM or something), if you really think space will be a problem) on the HDD. You get the best of both worlds. Fast boot and program access time and cavernous storage for all of your linux ISOs and hentai tentacle porn.
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Oct 24, 2014 17:04
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caiman posted:Is placing the /home directory on a separate partition a good idea? I have a 120GB SSD and a 750GB HDD. What I've been doing up until now is have the entire OS (including /home) installed on the SSD, and storing my movies/music/documents on the HDD and using sym links under home (e.g. so that /home/Movies points to the HDD). Do you actually have enough stuff installed where you are actually running out of space on your SSD? Stuff like any browser caches and local user applications are in various places in /home and would benefit from the SSD speedup.
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Oct 24, 2014 17:11
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hifi posted:Do you actually have enough stuff installed where you are actually running out of space on your SSD? Stuff like any browser caches and local user applications are in various places in /home and would benefit from the SSD speedup. Oh definitely. I actually have to delete stuff from my 750 periodically to make room. I guess I'm a hoarder. After considering all the recommendations, I think what I'll do is this: partition /home onto the SSD (maybe giving it about half the capacity?), then using the HDD purely as storage for media and documents. I might not even mess with the sym links, just browse directly to the device like Baron Bifford has recommended. This should give me all the speed benefits of the SSD for programs, the ease of upgrading to a new distro in the future, and the cavernous storage for all my tentacle porn.
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Oct 24, 2014 18:26
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So your /home directory will lie on another partition? Question: what happens if you shift your /home directory to another partition when there is already stuff in it?
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Oct 24, 2014 19:08
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Baron Bifford posted:So your /home directory will lie on another partition? That's the plan. Baron Bifford posted:Question: what happens if you shift your /home directory to another partition when there is already stuff in it? Good question. My plan was to do a fresh install and start from scratch (which I was going to do anyway, switching from Mint to Xubuntu). But maybe there's a way to partition off /home before I vaporize everything to save me the hassle of reconfiguring my programs?
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Oct 24, 2014 19:19
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Like, say that I have everything on one hard disk and I have some MP3s in my /home directory, then I tell my computer that "/home is now the external hard drive". What happens to all my MP3 files?
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Oct 24, 2014 19:29
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Can someone explain the pricing for Puppet, Ansible and/or Chef? Do you basically only need to pay if you want to use their web front-end? We have about 100 or so machines we would like to do some basic configuration automation on, and I just cannot see spending money on it.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:39
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Baron Bifford posted:You know the real reason I stick mostly with Mint? GRUBS auto-boots to Linux after a just a few seconds and I'm too busy getting a beer out of the fridge. You can set the grub timer to what ever you want. Danny Glands posted:For users of Arch: How do I make xdm work properly and not just dump me back into xdm when I enter my login? Xdm will check .xsession on login, .xsession will point to .xinitrc which is where you have whatever dm you want to exec, eg exec gnome-session, exec startkde etc etc Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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Oct 24, 2014 19:41
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Baron Bifford posted:Like, say that I have everything on one hard disk and I have some MP3s in my /home directory, then I tell my computer that "/home is now the external hard drive". What happens to all my MP3 files? They get the external /home mounted over them, and you'd have to umount /home to see your old home dir. Just rsync or "cp -a" your homedir over to the external drive when you format it. You can keep /home between distros as long as the UIDs and GIDs for your users match. My Rhythmic Crotch posted:Can someone explain the pricing for Puppet, Ansible and/or Chef? Do you basically only need to pay if you want to use their web front-end? You only need to pay for enterprise. The open source stuff is free and widely used.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:41
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Mega Comrade posted:You can set the grub timer to what ever you want. Remapping /home to another partition seems complex and pointless. Why not let the partition mount to /media/caiman? You can access your pr0n just as easily. This is how I do it. Baron Bifford fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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Oct 24, 2014 19:47
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:Can someone explain the pricing for Puppet, Ansible and/or Chef? Do you basically only need to pay if you want to use their web front-end? I haven't used it for commercial/real business stuff but for Ansible my understanding is it's totally open source and free. There's a separate product, Ansible Tower, that adds extra fanciness and costs money but the basic Ansible tool for running playbooks, etc. is free.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:59
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hifi posted:Do you actually have enough stuff installed where you are actually running out of space on your SSD? Stuff like any browser caches and local user applications are in various places in /home and would benefit from the SSD speedup. I turn off browser caches when I'm running of SSD, as it is my understanding they are a primary cause of wear and tear (and thus early death) for SSDs.
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Oct 24, 2014 20:05
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Does anyone have any experience with Pulp? I'm going to try and redesign a terrible repo that has been around for 8+ years with awful folder structures and no rhyme or reason as to what goes where, and I'd like to do it over from scratch using something that can mirror upstream repos. I was originally planning to do that using mrepo, but then someone mentioned pulp so I decided to give it a gander, and it seems like it might do everything I need it to do.
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Oct 24, 2014 20:10
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Cidrick posted:Does anyone have any experience with Pulp? I'm going to try and redesign a terrible repo that has been around for 8+ years with awful folder structures and no rhyme or reason as to what goes where, and I'd like to do it over from scratch using something that can mirror upstream repos. I was originally planning to do that using mrepo, but then someone mentioned pulp so I decided to give it a gander, and it seems like it might do everything I need it to do. Candlepin, Foreman, and Pulp are at the center of Katello. Pulp is a very capable choice which is likely to have a long future. Consider using Katello if you want systems management or easy Foreman integration.
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Oct 24, 2014 20:14
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evol262 posted:Candlepin, Foreman, and Pulp are at the center of Katello. Pulp is a very capable choice which is likely to have a long future. Consider using Katello if you want systems management or easy Foreman integration. Foreman (and Katello) interest me, but I think I'd have a hard time selling it in this environment since we are very entrenched in Chef rather than Puppet - plus we're currently using Cloudstack rather than Openstack, and Chef is the glue that holds them all together. Perhaps we bet on the wrong horses, but I think I'd have an easier time simply selling Pulp instead of a complete package using Foreman/Katello.
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Oct 24, 2014 20:25
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evol262 posted:Hahahahahahaha Nah it was more benign. I set the distro up and took a nap. When I came back I was kinda  about further bitch work and just started using it as it was. A year later it's still the same way.
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Oct 24, 2014 20:27
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I turn off browser caches when I'm running of SSD, as it is my understanding they are a primary cause of wear and tear (and thus early death) for SSDs. You're right. Though sometimes I wonder just how bad it could be, given that the situation would be the same on Windows and Mac, and no one seems to be clamoring for RAM disks or anything like that... Anyway, there is a handy script linked from that Wiki page it's a deamon that will sync your profile to a TMPFS location, tell your browser to look there, and then sync back to the disk periodically, lessening the wear. Edit: A word unruly fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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I'm thinking of making the switch to a more miminal DE/window manager and could use some advice. So far I've only used Unity and Gnome3. While I like both, I don't use a lot of the bells and whistles and could do with a smaller footprint. I open applications maybe 50% of the time by pressing Super, the first few letters, then Enter. So I need to have something like this. I open stuff through the terminal maybe 40% of the time, and the last 10% through Nautilus. I never minimize windows, or position them with the mouse. I exclusively use the keyyboard shortcuts to maximize, half-maximize, switch desktops, etc. So I'd like to move to a more keyboard-centric DE. But I've really gotten used to multiple desktops so that's a must. I do use alt-tab and ctrl-tab fairly often if I have multiple windows on the same desktop. I value my screen real estate. I rarely if ever click on launchers so I don't need one. Even auto-hide just bugs me when it pops up. I don't mind a top bar like Unity has as long as it's small, but come to think of it the only thing I ever look at up there is the time. I could just start trying things out (and I will) but if anyone has a suggestion that'd be great. I've looked at some of the more popular alternatives but everything either looks like WinXP (e.g. LXDE) or OSX (e.g. Enlightenment). I don't want something that looks like anything, I want it to be empty. Does that make sense? Do throw another wrinkle into the equation, I'm asking for my desktop but also for my Chromebook, which is a touchscreen. The lightweight element is more important on the Chromebook, but something with touch features/support would be nice. But not critical, I mainly go into crouton for coding or writing and I don't see myself using a lot of touch in those cases.
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Regarding the startx circle jerk, there are still cases where it makes sense. I got my hands on a thinkpad X21 a few years back and the only way to make it useable with a modern browser was to ditch a dm and go with slim and openbox. I might have been able to make use of lightdm but it was pretty snappy with that setup. 128MB ram doesn't give you a lot of room to experiment.
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