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Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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I finished Making Money a couple weeks ago and I'm considering reading it again. I think it's one of Pratchett's best works thus far. Here's hoping they invent Methuselah tech so this man can write forever!

Also, I'm for reading books in publication order, I can't see why you want to do it any other way.

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Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Bonus posted:

What taxes book?

The third Moist von Lipwig novel is going to be called Raising Taxes found at the bottom of this list.

BexGu posted:

PS Moist, where did you find the art work for your avatar?

As magimix said, it's the UK/Canada cover for Making Money. It was $20 more for the hardcover, but because of the whole USD vs. Canadian Dollar thing Chapters was giving an additional 20% off, so I got it instead.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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dregan posted:

Similarly Last Hero (27), The Amazing Maurice (28), Monstrous Regiment (31) and the introduction of Tiffany Aching and Moist Von Lipwig happened in between Thief of Time and now. Only time will tell, indeed.

On the other hand, the next two books to be announced are Aching and Lipwig(1), so we won't be seeing Susan for a while yet anyway.

ninja edit: also he is apparently working on a non-Discworld book called Nation, according to that wiki page. Even longer to wait now!

(1)Discworld's OTP

Speaking of Nation, does anyone have any info on what it's about? Just by the name I'm guessing it's going to have a lot of stealth-philosophy in it.

EDIT: vvvv Hmmm, intriguing...

Moist von Lipwig fucked around with this message at Nov 15, 2007 around 06:15

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Nilbop posted:

I've read the Wee Free Men and skimmed over Wintersmith, and what I saw was really rather more impressive than I thought it would be. It was quite witchy, mostly on account of her being taught by witches but you know what I mean. It's not nearly as sharp as his normal books but handwalks you a lot more comfortably though it.

Of course I'm a college student so what my opinion on a children's book counts for is, well it's not much is it?

That's good to hear, my dad got me Wintersmith for Christmas and I've been a little iffy about reading it.

Also, firefox spellchecker recognizes 'iffy' as a word but not 'firefox' or 'spellchecker'

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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daggerdragon posted:

The side effect of reading almost all the Discworld novels is they really start to blur together after awhile

This is sadly true, it's almost like literary Alzheimer's or something.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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magimix posted:

And I hope that cranial explosion is a long time coming, because the 'Guards' books are by far my favourite ones

I had to think about it, but I agree, the Guard books are probably the best, although the Lipwig stories are my personal favourites <> they seem like up-and-comers to me.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Keshik posted:

I got teary eyed when Anghammarad died.

Aha! I knew I wasn't the only one! When I was goading my girlfriend into reading Going Postal I told her there was one part that got me all teary-eyed. After she finished reading it she asked me what part it was and I had to pretend I didn't know what she was talking about .

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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LooseChanj posted:

Just finished Maskerade, and it got me wondering. Why do they call her Granny Weatherwax if she's never had any children? At one point in the book she even corrects someone who calls her "mrs", and insists on "miss".

Because Witches are like the Matriarch's of villages. That's also part of the reason Nanny Ogg has the 'Nanny' (excluding her... brood). A lot of the Witches books have small references to the Witched being Midwives, Herbal Doctors and even Veterinarians in a smaller way.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Sorry, double post.

Just finished Interesting Times, and it was nice to read some Rincewind again. For some reason I had in my head that Faust Eric was the last Rincewind novel.

Anyway, it never ceases to amaze me how much research Pratchett puts into his novels. Not only does it make reference to the Terracotta Warriors of Xi'an and the pools of Mercury in the first Emperor's tomb. Link

It makes me wonder what else I haven't caught in his novels. I know the Pratchett file is handy but not everything is in there.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Eskarina posted:

My only problem with the newest Lipwig novel is that it really seemed like a retelling of Going Postal, only swap out the stamps for money. This is not to say that I didn't enjoy the book (I don't think there is a Pratchett book I didn't truly enjoy, just ones I wouldn't re-read as often), but it did seem like he phoned the plot in...

This is partially true, but what really sets them apart is the philosophy behind them. Making Money was totally about economics, especially Keynesian economics. Going Postal on the other hand had a lot to do with corporations and the Internet, communications standards. The basic plotline was similar, but, to me at least, they we're two very different stories.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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LooseChanj posted:

No big deal, they'll have it cured before it causes him too much trouble, right? RIGHT??? This is the century of the fruitbat, isn't it?

That's it Goons, we're curing this ourselves.

This is horrible though, some of the worst news I've heard in a long while. Here's hoping that he can get at least another 15 years though.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Spiny Norman posted:

The golems always get me. The part from Feet of Clay with Dorfl's last words, when dying, WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN, gets me every drat time. Feet of Clay really is one of his best philosophical works - you can see Pratchett's humanism and sense of social responsibility really show through there. And I really liked how he linked the rejection of the idea of kings with the rejection of the idea of, well, God.

There is no THOU SHALT or THOU SHALT NOT. There's only I WILL or I WILL NOT.

He's caught his problem early and he's got time yet. He's not dead, as Neil Gaiman pointed out.

I absolutely love when Pratchett waxes philosophical in his work, especially with the Golems. I was forty pages into a different book and I dropped it and picked up Feet of Clay upon reading this.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Nilbop posted:

It'd be even better if there were some new hot-shot author with a similar flair like Pratchett's. Much like how Douglas Adams' descent into ... something was made easier by Terry.

Heart attack. It was a quick descent? It's a shame but this thread now has "40 page monolithic antemortem obituary" written all over it.

On a lighter note, I'm in the middle of Hogfather, and I can't help but giggle like a moron everytime someone says something like "MELON MELON MELON" or "Here comes Mr. Jelly". Also "Cannot Divide by Cucumber" was good.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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precision posted:

I think they were referring to the descent in quality of Adams' writing. Mostly Harmless really was an amazingly depressing piece of business, made all the worse because the Dirk Gently books were incredibly and showed a maturity that Hitchhiker's books never really got around to.

I loved Douglas Adams as a kid, but honestly, once I found Pratchett I never looked back (much how Adams himself had replaced my affection for Robert Asprin).

Ah, this I can agree with wholeheartedly. Mostly Harmless was not only horrible, I could feel the spite shooting out from the page into my eyes. It was like a nice personal spit-in-the-face to every HHG fan.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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I just watched the Hogfather Christmas special and I have to say, I was impressed. I was a little skeptical at first but it was pretty, I'd recommend it.

Also, does anyone know anything about Nation? It's kind of bothering not knowing what he's writing about, although apparently it's almost done, yet the release date is September 11, 2008. I wonder if there's any significance behind the date or not...

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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magimix posted:

The Wizards are kind of played out now, though. Things have changed too much for the Wizards to effectively play a large part in future stories, especially as protagonists, by and large.

I think its also because Pratchett uses the Wizards more as plot devices than Characters if you really think about it, and Rincewind is used up for aforementioned reasons.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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amanvell posted:

One thing that I don't particularly like is how the wizards have gone from Let's not use magic because it would probably go wrong to (Thud) Let's strap a shitload of flying brooms onto your magic stagecoach that goes faster than the speed of sound and (Making Money) Just wait while I put away our super awesome cupboard that has infinite drawers and is controlled by Hex, and then we can arrange for you to speak to the dead.

I guess that it can't really be helped that the stories evolve over time, but there was something about these powerful wizards dealing with problems by ignoring them and arguing with each other.

It could be a commentary on approaching things scientifically vs. mystically/religiously. I mean, the high energy magic building changed a lot. Before the Wizards didn't really understand magic, but the more they learn the more it kind of becomes technology. I'm essays could be written on these connections but I'm going to stay brief.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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precision posted:

There's not much point in making a distinction between "canon" and "non-canon" when it comes to the Disc, sine PTerry himself has said that he makes no distinction. The only thing to worry about is if he wrote it or not; everything else is Quantum, innit?

I can agree with this, Pterry seems like the type to get annoyed with a canon vs non-canon arguement.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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I'm almost done reading Night Watch at the moment (ironically, I didn't even sleep last night because of that drat book). It's weird such a weird book to read now. At first I thought he was referring to the post 9/11 political landscape, and then I was like 'No, that can't be it', until I realized it was a 2002 novel and quite obviously was. It's weird having Discworld reference current events.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Pratchett posted:

"You can't write books when you are dead, unless your name is L Ron Hubbard [the founder of Scientology]," he said.



Haha! I have more respect for this man every day!

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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1 posted:

Granny Weatherwax: "There's no greys, only white that's got grubby. I'm surprised you don't know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That's what sin is."
Mightily Oats: "It's a lot more complicated than that--"
Granny Weatherwax: "No. It ain't. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they're getting worried that they won't like the truth. People as things, that's where it starts."
Mightily Oats: "Oh, I'm sure there are worse crimes--"
Granny Weatherwax: "But they starts with thinking about people as things..."

I just finished Carpe Jugulum and that exchange rang pretty true with me.

Back to Night Watch though, it is a very dark turn for the series, and thats part of what struck me. I guess one of Pratchetts talents is that he can write about several different things at once. I'm sure the uprising and the Unmentionables are references to several differant events and groups throughout history, but not many have touch so close to the present day for me.

I also think this was kind of a turning point for Pterry and the discworld series. The previous books have a lot of commentary on humanity and philosephy in general, not to mention physics and other things. Night Watch and the Lipwig books are heavy on social and governmental commentary. My opinion is that he is starting to feel fed up with the state of the world and it's bleeding heavily in the series. You only have to look at the fact that his next book is called Nation to know that hes doing a lot of social thinking.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Three Red Lights posted:

I'm just wondering how long he's going to keep writing given his circumstances.

From what I gathered it seemed like he would have at least five or more years mostly uneffected, and I assume he would keep writing.

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The author said work was continuing on his latest works, Nation and Unseen Academicals, and that there was "time for at least a few more books yet".

Also

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The Discworld author, 59, has sold more than 55 million books worldwide.

59? I would sacrifice my own grandmother if he could live another 20 years.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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The_Doctor posted:

Blimey, missed this thread. No-one talking about the COM adaptation?

The use of 'Pterry' makes me suspect the presence of AFP-ers.

I haven't heard much about the COM adaptation, and I heard about Pterry here, which is AFP I guess.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Nighy as Vetinari and Jeff Bridges as Rincewind

On another note, go Help Cure Alzheimers goddammit!

Also, let's cast actors in various Discworld roles!

I think Maggie Smith would make a decent Granny Weatherwax.
I think Eastwood could play older Sam Vimes, but I don't know who'd play him in the younger stories.

Who would play Moist?

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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HOLY poo poo!


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nation-Terr...sbs_b_njs_img_2

Nation release date and summary on amazon!

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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ThaGhettoJew posted:

The book name is "Nation" and it's being released on September 11th? I wonder if the US release date will be altered....

I pointed this out earlier in the thread, I thought it might be significant.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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quote:

I create gods all the time - now I think one might exist, says fantasy author Terry Pratchett
As a child, Terry Pratchett questioned everything, but didn't always get the answers he craved. The best-selling fantasy author grew up not believing in a supreme deity - until the day the universe opened up to him as he was preparing for another spell on a chat-show.

That pissed me off so badly. What the christ Daily Mail?!

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Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Arachnamus posted:

I wouldn't be especially surprised if he wound up replacing Vetinari. "Oh and you're the new Patrician" is exactly the kind of surprise he likes hitting Vimes with.

Besides, there already *have* been poo poo-storms between Vimes and the free press, wouldn't be a massive change.

I can see it now, Vimes, as his fisrt act as Patrician, reinstates Vetinari as Patrician

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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ibroxmassive posted:

This also being one of the greatest throwaway puns in existince, as it's never really referenced again, but utterly brilliant.
[/spoiler]


So Sharks and Jets. Who happen to be in a wonderful show called West Side Story, a modern re-telling of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet. In one line he references Shakespeare without you even noticing, and he never explains it, or footnotes it. Just for fun.

Jesus Christ! Did you go over the series with a fine tooth comb!?

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Gambrinus posted:

I'd really like to see a book telling the story of Old Stoneface. Would have to be a bit more darker, and a bit more serious than the average Discworld book though, probably.

I don`t know, I found Night Watch to be pretty dark and even a little heart wrenching at times, and it may very well be one of my favourite discworld books. I don`t think it would be too out of the style of the series.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Darknyte posted:

And, having now read both "Going Postal" and "Making Money", I can safely say that Moist would win any election against anyone, even Carrot, hands down. He tells people he's going to do sketchy things to them and they applaud him for it.
Poor Carrot wouldn't stand a chance, birthmark or not.

That's why Moist is the best

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Dire Penguin posted:

What happened to your old, awesome avatar?

Someone posted a news thread about stupid teenagers in my hometown and I went on a bit of a tirade about how stupid they really are


I'm pretty sure a mod did it. Actually, now that you reminded me I might change it back.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Bullio posted:

Also, does anyone know where I can find a good picture of the Assassin's guild crest? I've found one or two, but they're horrible quality and very small. The Watch emblem is easy, but the drat Assassin's Guild one is killing me.

If you can get me a low quality one I'll try and vectorize it.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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I just picked up Monstrous Regiment two days ago and finished it this morning. It really made me remember how awesome this series is and I went through the five stages of grief about Pterry's Alzheimers all over again

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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smackfu posted:

I was thinking about tracking down a copy, but yikes!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...&condition=used

$389!!!

Was it ever in print in the US? Would I have better luck buying it used from the UK?

Oh no, Pratchett is becoming one of those authors.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Jekub posted:

Quick edit just for Moist, http://www.abebooks.co.uk/search/so...Pratchett/fe/on

I suppose it was bound to happen

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Pope Guilty posted:

Yeah, everything about the Fool's Guild seemed totally laboured. Every time I come to the Fool's Guild in a book, I sigh sadly.

Maybe that's the point, meta-humor?

Probably not.

While we're on the topic, I really liked Making Money, not quite as much as Going Postal, but it's not like comparing Night Watch to Moving Pictures.

Also, Pratchett is way better than Robert Plant, he deserves the CBE!

Moist von Lipwig fucked around with this message at Jan 12, 2009 around 04:10

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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LooseChanj posted:

You don't need to spoiler that, and yeah, really. Most of the book is that way, and it reeks of Flintstones' "tech".

It's been brought up before, by several people, but Moving Pictures really is a kind of transition novel from the goofy/zaniness of the first few books into the most serious satire of the later ones.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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Just read the books in published order, it's probably the best way because you're guaranteed not to miss out on anything.

Also, totally excited for a new discworld book

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Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

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I'm pretty sure vampires can't go out into the sun on the disc, correct?

There's a scene in one of the books where Vetinari is out enjoying his garden. I believe it's the same scene where it mentions that Bloody Stupid Johnson building the Ho-Ho. I may be completely wrong here, because it's been a long time since I've read the books.

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