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Picked up the wingmaster I was looking at the other day.  30" fixed full choke barrel. drat, this thing's huge. Mechanically flawless, operates smoothly. Looks very nice overall, some scratches on the stock, blueing is a bit worn on the mag tube. And there are lots of scratches inside the barrel. One set just inside the muzzle and another a few inches from the chamber.  I'm guessing it was shot a LOT. I have an email off to Remington to find out how old it is, but it's at least 25 years. I can't get it to a range until early next month, so that will give me plenty of time to tear it down and get familiar with the workings.
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stercus posted:Picked up the wingmaster I was looking at the other day. It appears to have eaten a lot of old style steel shot.
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| # ? Jan 21, 2008 01:12 |
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So I went clay shooting for the first time today, and I was surprised how well I was able to do with an 18.5" cyl 870. The clays tended to shatter more than disintegrate, though. On another note, I had 3 failures to extract. Two of them were resolved by taking the next round out of the receiver and pumping again, and the third had to be pried out. This is on a Remington 870 Express HD, with 2.75" Charles Daly birdshot (cheapest ammo I could find last night). What's causing my pump to not work flawlessly?
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| # ? Jan 21, 2008 02:02 |
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I have an 870 Express HD doing the same thing, it drove me nuts trying to run a general defensive shotgun course with it. I had to slam the buttstock into the ground every 2nd or 3rd round to force the shells to extract. After tearing it completely down, lubing the unholy piss out of everything, and trying unsuccessfully several times to get everything running smoother, I have reached the conclusion that the chamber on my barrel is the culprit. I see myself as having 2 choices, I can send the barrel off to someone like Vang Comp and get it worked over and sexified by their smiths, or I can buy a new factory barrel as a replacement. Has anyone had any experience with dealing with Vang Comp, and would it be worth it?
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| # ? Jan 21, 2008 02:14 |
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gently caress, 870 barrels are too drat expensive. For $150+, I might as well buy a used 870/500. edit: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/96312-53855-706.html vs http://turners.com/shop/gundetail.php?id=3656 might as well spend the extra $ for a second functional gun. BaronW fucked around with this message at Jan 21, 2008 around 03:53 |
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BaronW posted:gently caress, 870 barrels are too drat expensive. For $150+, I might as well buy a used 870/500. I bought mine off gunbroker for like $80-88. There are no "great" deals there right now. There is this, but it is only 2 3/4" and only bead sight: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...p?Item=90101996
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BaronW posted:So I went clay shooting for the first time today, and I was surprised how well I was able to do with an 18.5" cyl 870. The clays tended to shatter more than disintegrate, though. The most common issue with the Express doing this is the chamber not being polished well enough.
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This thread is perfect... I'm looking for a general purpose shotgun  . Problem is, I want it to do too much.I have a strange lust for the 590A1 and it'd be good for ~half of what I want a shotgun to do for me. Here's what I'm looking for: I want something for turkey hunting this spring, three gun matches throughout the year, deer hunting, and skeet shooting. Basically the features I want don't all exist in the same shotgun  . What's #tfr's best recommendation for what I want to do? The 590 would be great for three gun and deer hunting, but suck rear end for turkey and skeet. I was also considering the Browning N  (national wild turkey federation) BPS or Silver if I go semi-auto. Then I'd have something great for turkey, good for deer, fun but not reasonable for skeet, and terrible for threegun because of its bottom feeding design.What else is out there to consider? I'm not terribly concerned with skeet right now because I still have an old 1100 to shoot. I'm pretty open to suggestions.
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| # ? Jan 21, 2008 07:19 |
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Screw in chokes that also extend barrel lenght for the skeet? Then you just got Turkey left.
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| # ? Jan 21, 2008 07:35 |
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His Divine Shadow posted:Screw in chokes that also extend barrel lenght for the skeet? Then you just got Turkey left. The 590 has a fixed cylinder bore barrel, and because of the magazine design the barrels are not interchangeable with 500 barrels, which are threaded for chokes .Honestly I'm most concerned about turkey and three gun. I could take or leave shotgun deer hunting, there's a bunch of crazy assholes out there during shotgun season. I have a bow so I can get out there earlier but it would be nice to have the option of shotgun - it'd extend the amount of time I'd have to hunt.
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| # ? Jan 21, 2008 08:10 |
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Yeah but a gunsmith could probably thread the barrel to accept third party screw in chokes. However, if you want Turkey hunter, do you need a 3 or 3.5" chamber? There's some kind of bird anyway that people seem to prefer 3.5" shells for. Frankly I would go with an 870 Deer gun, 20" IC smoothbore with rifle sights, shoots pretty much everything, and when you go with an 870 you will find barrels are interchangable with any other 870 type of barrel if you want a longer one. Some 870 barrels also come with changeable chokes. His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at Jan 21, 2008 around 08:24 |
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I was looking at some O/U shotguns, and the description of one said that it was "chambered" for 3" 12 gauge shells. I guess I figured you could go stick a 7" gonzo shell in there if it fed. What shotgun chamber look like? A shallow reaming out of the barrel?
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| # ? Jan 21, 2008 20:40 |
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Has anyone gotten to shoot one of the 1100 competition masters? I've been thinking about getting the carrier assembly from one to install on my 1100 and was wondering if it was worth the 25 bucks.
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| # ? Jan 21, 2008 21:04 |
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How's this for a hypothetical home defense gun (aside from being overly tactical)? I'm thinking about putting one together after my AR is done because, in the event that I ever need an HD gun, I don't want my grandfather's Wingmaster or my 28" Auto-5 to spend the next few years in a locker with evidence tags on it. 18" 870 Express synthetic Vang Comp barrel workover with porting Knoxx SpecOps stock +2 magazine extension Ghost ring sights from ??? (I hear good things about MMC and Scattergun Technologies) Bayonet lug for  I don't know crap about slings or the mounting thereof Edit: Oh man Remington makes a semiauto with a titanium receiver and carbon fiber trim. 
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| # ? Jan 22, 2008 11:56 |
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Christ, a Vang Comp'd bare bones Express will run you about $900.
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Pitch posted:How's this for a hypothetical home defense gun (aside from being overly tactical)? I'm thinking about putting one together after my AR is done because, in the event that I ever need an HD gun, I don't want my grandfather's Wingmaster or my 28" Auto-5 to spend the next few years in a locker with evidence tags on it. Easier than you think. My Benelli Nova came with a couple of holes already in it that you can pop those metal ditties (I have no loving idea what they're called) into to run a sling through. If 870s don't have those, and I've never held one to check, I'd have to imagine you can find accessories/adaptors available to attach them. Check out Midway.
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needknees posted:I have a strange lust for the 590A1 and it'd be good for ~half of what I want a shotgun to do for me. Here's what I'm looking for: I want something for turkey hunting this spring, three gun matches throughout the year, deer hunting, and skeet shooting. Basically the features I want don't all exist in the same shotgun Yeah what with you're describing you really need two barrels minimum, unless you do three gun/deer with a standard 26/28" barrel with screw in chokes, and don't really care about deer as you said. 3" is good for turkeys and obviously 3.5" is better. I wouldn't go 3.5" unless you plan to go nuts on turkey with a side of goose though, and then it's almost a consideration to go 10 gauge(obviously a bit out of the scope you mentioned.)
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Pitch posted:hypothetical home defense gun: 12gauge pump 18" barrel +2 mag tube Flashlight Limbsaver recoil pad, or Knoxx Stock if you're feeling saucy Front bead is fine, Ghost rings are great but not an absolute necessity Forget slings, lasers or bayonets.
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Uncle Caveman posted:Christ, a Vang Comp'd bare bones Express will run you about $900.  On a further impractical-but-totally-sweet note, why is it that shotguns, which aren't pinpoint accurate and are often fired without looking straight down the sights, aren't seen with red dots?
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Pitch posted:I guess if you paid $650 for an 870 Express it would. My Saiga-12 has an EOTech on it right now 
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I thought that too, but Vang seems to think differently. And that $900 was without the options.
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| # ? Jan 22, 2008 16:09 |
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Uncle Caveman posted:That's a nice fun build, but for a purely practical HD gun all I'd recommend is: I completely agree. Get the 870 Express HD (18" bead sight with factory +2) and throw a limbsaver recoil pad on the butt. That's what I have. Next is to mount a light, I'm not sure what I'm going to do about that.
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BaronW posted:Next is to mount a light, I'm not sure what I'm going to do about that. Surefire is what you should do about that. They're a little pricy but totally worth it.
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Biaxident posted:Surefire is what you should do about that. They're a little pricy but totally worth it. I agree they're the best option, but $200 is a lot of money for an undergrad. If my wrist gets re-cast, I'm going to be putting a rail+VFG on it anyway, so I'll just get a rail mount for my G2.
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Uncle Caveman posted:I thought that too, but Vang seems to think differently. And that $900 was without the options. I guess I'll buy an Express some time, do the obvious mods, and then if it happens to fall into a pile of money somewhere...
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Pitch posted:I guess if you paid $650 for an 870 Express it would. I had a cheap BSA red dot on my 870 for a couple months. It was fun, but not really necessary for what the shotgun is tasked with (home defense), and I run with the "keep it simple" philosophy. I didn't want to worry about turning on an optic if I ever needed to defend myself. If I was hunting with slugs though, I would probably slap it back on for the added accuracy at long range.
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Pitch posted:On a further impractical-but-totally-sweet note, why is it that shotguns, which aren't pinpoint accurate and are often fired without looking straight down the sights, aren't seen with red dots? CAP's FN TPS has a Surefire fore-end and an EOTech 552 on top. Searching for pictures. fake edit:  It's great for shooting clays at night. real edit: oh drat this was before he put the EOTech on it. Well gently caress.
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Pitch posted:Yeah but that's a built up shotgun sold under their name. Doing the entire Vang 'system' on your barrel is only $250.
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Would it really be worthwhile to add some kind of clamp onto my mag extension? It doesnt look too wobbly, but if Im running the risk of something getting borked because I dont have one, Id feel pretty stupid.
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Well, atleast it would look better. 870s with third party extensions often lack the forward clamp, it's to me a cosmetic annoyance.
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| # ? Jan 22, 2008 19:13 |
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shotguns yeah i've one of those somewhere Top to bottom: 870 Express Youth Magnum, 3" 20ga with 20" bbl Sportsman Auto-12, 2.75" 12ga with extension and 18.5 inch bbl 870 Express Supermag, 3.5" 12ga with extension and 22 inch bbl Saiga-12 (sorry Pitch I started playing with all my guns and put the EOTech on an AR)
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What are the best choke options for sporting clays? I have a chance to go out for the first time, but I've never even fired my shotgun. Since I won't be able to test out different chokes in advance, I need to pick one based on recommendations. My gun came with full, modified and improved chokes. Also, here is gun in question. Browning Silver Hunter, Ducks Unlimited edition:  
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Demagogue posted:What are the best choke options for sporting clays? My gun came with full, modified and improved chokes.
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| # ? Jan 25, 2008 16:39 |
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Speaking of chokes, and out of an urge to contribute, [strike]what can you guys tell me about this choke on my shotgun?[/strike] As I was putting this together, I realized it's an adjustable choke. It's pretty self-explanatory. Oh well. Have a picture anyway! Also, I might be moving into an apartment later this year. I've got a pistol now, but for HD it might over penetrate. #00 Buckshot vs .45ACP, which would penetrate the least?
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QuarkMartial posted:Also, I might be moving into an apartment later this year. I've got a pistol now, but for HD it might over penetrate. #00 Buckshot vs .45ACP, which would penetrate the least?
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charliebravo77 posted:How thick are your walls? Most people recommend #1 buck or even #2 buck for apartments if I remember correctly. I won't know for a few months. Right now, I'm applying for grad school, and that pretty much hinges on my GRE scores. Once I get accepted, then I'll tour apartments in the area to find out. For now, I'd just assume normal thickness walls, or whatever they put in apartments. I realize there's a lot of variables that I'm leaving out. It kinda boils down to which penetrates less. Even then, from box of truth, I know that shotgun pellets can penetrate through multiple walls.
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QuarkMartial posted:I won't know for a few months. Right now, I'm applying for grad school, and that pretty much hinges on my GRE scores. Once I get accepted, then I'll tour apartments in the area to find out. For now, I'd just assume normal thickness walls, or whatever they put in apartments. Yeah. . . your average "I can afford this on a grad student's income" house/apartment is going to have some loving cheap assed, thin walls. To give you an idea, shortly after I moved in where I'm living now I was doing the post-move "clean, oil, and grease all the guns" session when, like an idiot, I forgot to hold the dust cover on my SKS down while disassembling it. For those who don't own an SKS if you don't actually hold onto the dust cover when you release the catch for it that little fucker will fly across the room, propelled by the return spring behind the bolt. That milled steel dust cover put a 2" diameter hole right in my bedroom wall. I'm just happy it was sticking out, since getting it out from inside the wall would have been a bitch and a half. Luckily I'm handy with paint and spackle (and a bit of wadded up paper to fill the hole itself) , so I probably won't get my deposit dinged when I move out. Me, I just accept the fact that if I ever have to use a gun in the house, even the SIG, the bullet will end up somewhere in the next town over.
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Cyrano4747 posted:To give you an idea, shortly after I moved in where I'm living now I was doing the post-move "clean, oil, and grease all the guns" session when, like an idiot, I forgot to hold the dust cover on my SKS down while disassembling it. Hahahaha... that's awesome.
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I just got my W2 today and I think I should be getting some money back from Uncle Sam, which means shotgun time. What kind of prices should I be seeing for a used 870 Express or a Mossberg 500? No real preference on either, so I'll probably just pickup whichever I can find a good deal on.
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A new 500 will usually be $250-300; a new 870 Express around $300. You should be able to find a used one for ~$200 without much difficulty.
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