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Chill_Bebop
Jun 20, 2007

Waffle SS

CougarsWrath posted:





.22 Hornet/.410 over-under for lots of money, you say?

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CougarsWrath
May 19, 2005

War is Hell


...they also make them in .22lr? and while not as cheap as a nugget at around $400 it isn't that expensive either?

http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/33646-wts-springfield-m6-scout-22lr-410-sw-pa.html posted:

WTS: Springfield M6 Scout .22LR/.410 in SW PA **Price reduced to $350**
SOLD!

https://www.guns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=143028 posted:

Springfield Armory M6 Scout. .22lr and .410... $425 FTF.

not saying its the perfect huntin' shotgun rifle boomstick, i just think its a nifty double, and they're still in production.

Atticus_1354 posted:

What type of small game? You could always get a single shot for around $100.

for rabbits or whatever this totally would be the way to go on a budget.



edit: purty



http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=193901088
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=193274407
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=193843601

CougarsWrath fucked around with this message at Oct 3, 2010 around 16:58

Insane Totoro
Dec 5, 2005

Take cover!!!
That Totoro has an AR-15!


DJExile posted:

There are really neat over/under guns made by Savage and... someone else, I forget. They put things like a .22LR, .17HMR, or .223 barrel over a 20gauge shotgun barrel, and they are fantastic rabbit guns. Search around for "Savage over under" and I'm sure you'll find them. There's tons of combinations, but a rimfire over a 20ga should suit you.

Is that... legal to hunt with in PA?

bunnielab
May 19, 2005

Ask me about Herbs

Dude, lever action .410.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

My friend bought an M6 scout (.22lr/.410) back when they were being made, it was cheap as hell at the time.

Now it is ridiculous to see the prices they are going for. I think he could sell it for 3-4x what he paid for it. I keep telling him to go for it and buy something new but he likes it so..

Great little rifle but for the price they're selling in Canada I can't see the appeal.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

KEEP BACK 200 FEET

Resident Rover


Insane Totoro posted:

Is that... legal to hunt with in PA?

Depends on season, but it ought to be. The biggest barrier to PA hunting in the no semi rule.

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



bunnielab posted:

Dude, lever action .410.

If only .410 shells weren't retardedly expensive.

QuarkMartial
Sep 25, 2004

I've seen the future, and it has hooves.

CougarsWrath posted:

...they also make them in .22lr? and while not as cheap as a nugget at around $400 it isn't that expensive either?



not saying its the perfect huntin' shotgun rifle boomstick, i just think its a nifty double, and they're still in production.


for rabbits or whatever this totally would be the way to go on a budget.



edit: purty



http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=193901088
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=193274407
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=193843601

Got one of these on the cheap at a pawn shop. It had no finish, so I hit it with some spraypaint. It's a pretty simple gun - there's no weight to it so you feel every bit of recoil. Nothing cooler than popping the barrel open and having shells fly out.

bunnielab
May 19, 2005

Ask me about Herbs

Black Stormy posted:

If only .410 shells weren't retardedly expensive.

How many are you going to shoot in one sitting? Unless you are a pretty badass trap/skeet shooter then that gun is pretty much a hunting/varmint gun.

The thing that does turn me off of it is the cylinder choke. I want a full choke .410 to knock squirrels out of trees. The little furry bastards mock me I tell you. I cant bring myself to shoot a rifle at them up there.

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



bunnielab posted:

How many are you going to shoot in one sitting? Unless you are a pretty badass trap/skeet shooter then that gun is pretty much a hunting/varmint gun.

The thing that does turn me off of it is the cylinder choke. I want a full choke .410 to knock squirrels out of trees. The little furry bastards mock me I tell you. I cant bring myself to shoot a rifle at them up there.

I'll shoot a box a day on a good day at rabbits. And when #6 .410 shells are $16 a box on the cheap end, and I can get 12 or 20ga for ~30 cents a round, it doesn't make any sense.

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



Yeah, you pretty much need to reload .410 in comparison. It seems so weird that it's a lot more expensive than 20ga or 12ga but I'm guessing that's down to the much larger demand for the latter two.

bunnielab
May 19, 2005

Ask me about Herbs

Black Stormy posted:

I'll shoot a box a day on a good day at rabbits. And when #6 .410 shells are $16 a box on the cheap end, and I can get 12 or 20ga for ~30 cents a round, it doesn't make any sense.

Sure, but $16 for a day of fun aint bad. Also, for me at least, .410 out of a longish barrel is fine to shoot without hearing pro on.

Now, what I am really interested in is what shells like these:



preform out of a proper shotgun. Groundhog murder is my hope.

OWLS!
Sep 17, 2009

WANKER!

bunnielab posted:



preform out of a proper shotgun. Groundhog murder is my hope.

Those are actually sitting in my .410 Wards Western Field Bolt Action which is currently on HD duty. Groundhog overkill more like. At 15 yards there would be no groundhog left.

E: My very unscientific waterboxing shows something like six gallon milk jugs of penetration, and fairly tight patterns out of a 24 inch barrel.

OWLS! fucked around with this message at Oct 4, 2010 around 06:42

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



bunnielab posted:

Groundhog murder is my hope.

Yeah, honestly, a good .22WMR or .17HMR is going to do just as well killing groundhogs.

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



Where should I send my barrel to have it threaded for chokes?

El Jorge
Feb 26, 2006

A spiritus dominatus,
Domine, libra nos,
From the lighting and the tempest,
Our Emperor, deliver us.


A morte perpetua,
Domine, libra nos.


16 gauge also makes quite the working gun. my 16 ga. Wingmaster

Black Stormy posted:

Where should I send my barrel to have it threaded for chokes?

Your nearest gunsmith.

Capn Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

Can it be fired with a massive erection?



Does anyone make a railed forend for the 930 SPX? I don't need one totally covered in rails, I just need one on the bottom.

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



Capn Beeb posted:

Does anyone make a railed forend for the 930 SPX? I don't need one totally covered in rails, I just need one on the bottom.

Someone on Calguns found this, but I'm guessing it's not going to do what I think you want to do with it

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



Capn Beeb posted:

Does anyone make a railed forend for the 930 SPX? I don't need one totally covered in rails, I just need one on the bottom.

What are you putting on it? If you want a light, just use the Nordic clamp with a remote switch. If you want something like an AFG, you can screw into it, but you need to be careful because of the piston. The only railed forends I have seen are giant and dumb.

Capn Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

Can it be fired with a massive erection?



Black Stormy posted:

What are you putting on it? If you want a light, just use the Nordic clamp with a remote switch. If you want something like an AFG, you can screw into it, but you need to be careful because of the piston. The only railed forends I have seen are giant and dumb.

Yep, AFG. Maybe a gen 2. Seriously dude AFGs on shotguns are delightful As for lighting I'll probably take the Nordic clamp off my 590 and put it on there. What really interests me is this:





I didn't know you could get a screw on tapeswitch :o What I'm thinking for it:

Light at the 9'o clock on a Nordic clamp
AFG
PA micro clone
Maybe a side saddle

Would you think a single point sling would be ok for it? Or would I be better off with a two point? I've got OSOE single point bungees on both my pump actions, and while the Wingmaster is light enough to be comfy with it, the 590A1 is just so heavy I'm thinking it needs a two point. How heavy does the 930 compare to an A1?

bunnielab
May 19, 2005

Ask me about Herbs

DJExile posted:

Yeah, honestly, a good .22WMR or .17HMR is going to do just as well killing groundhogs.

But then I dont need to buy a new gun?

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



Capn Beeb posted:

Yep, AFG. Maybe a gen 2. Seriously dude AFGs on shotguns are delightful As for lighting I'll probably take the Nordic clamp off my 590 and put it on there. What really interests me is this:





I didn't know you could get a screw on tapeswitch :o What I'm thinking for it:

Light at the 9'o clock on a Nordic clamp
AFG
PA micro clone
Maybe a side saddle

Would you think a single point sling would be ok for it? Or would I be better off with a two point? I've got OSOE single point bungees on both my pump actions, and while the Wingmaster is light enough to be comfy with it, the 590A1 is just so heavy I'm thinking it needs a two point. How heavy does the 930 compare to an A1?

Yea, that dude was my inspiration as well. My gun is almost identical. I really don't think you will be able to put an afg on it unless you find a way to replace the forend. Also, it is a heavy rear end shotgun. I currrently have a single point on mine, but I really think it warrants a two point. I need to get my magclamp and tape switch back on mine. Scattergun tech makes a front sling mount, either under the tube, or on either side.

damug
Jun 21, 2004


I have always wanted a SxS shotgun, and today I saw an old Crescent Firearms Peerless (which after a bit of googling shows were made from 1888 and 1899). It seemed to be mechanically sound and it was going for $cheap. I guess what I want to ask is if I do pick it up would it be safe to shoot with modern 12ga shells or would it instead go boom in my hand?

ShaiHulud
Dec 31, 2007

by T. Finn


Crescents in decent condition show up on gunbroker all the time for less than $100 if you want a wallhanger, but it's not a good idea to shoot old shotguns. Assuming the gun has been nitro proofed (and is marked as such, I think Crescent used 'nitro select forged steel') you might be safe with light or blackpowder loadings, but it's never worth risking damage to yourself or the gun.

This issue comes up a few times a year, and a percentage of TFR loves to point out that guns were made to be fired, but keep in mind:
  • Old shotguns like yours are often made with steel of questionable quality that has been slowly corroding for the past century or more.
  • Unlike rifles, shotgun barrel walls are very thin and less apt to contain pressure without bursting. The thinness of shotgun tubes also makes them prone to small dings and dents that cause weak spots.
  • Shotguns manufactured prior to 1940 tended to use corrosive flux when soldering the barrels and rib together.

Chantilly Say
Apr 18, 2008

A man's got to know his limitations.

Also, death to My Little Pony.


bunnielab posted:

But then I dont need to buy a new gun?

Think of it more as, "But then I have an excuse to buy a new gun."

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

All this talk about 930s has me eyeing the 930 Tactical (85330)

http://www.mossberg.com/images/Moss...0/New/85330.jpg

Haven't seen the SPX around anywheres, not sure if any are being brought into Canada.

I kinda like the look of the Tactical though, since we only get 5+1 here anyway.

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

This bear is tops blooby


ok seriously what the gently caress is the point of those crenelated muzzle devices? are they seriously for hitting somebody? seriously? why do only shotguns have them? what makes them more tactical??? i dont get it.

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



Pretty sure that they are standoff devices, used for breaching doors. I could be wrong on that though.

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



Black Stormy posted:

Pretty sure that they are standoff devices, used for breaching doors. I could be wrong on that though.

Yep. Door breachers. Whether or not they also function as muzzle brakes of any kind also is beyond me.

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

This bear is tops blooby


Black Stormy posted:

Pretty sure that they are standoff devices, used for breaching doors. I could be wrong on that though.

but what about them allows you to breach doors??

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



Kommienzuspadt posted:

but what about them allows you to breach doors??

Basically it gives a place for gas and other poo poo to escape. If you press the muzzle against a door and pull the trigger bad things can happen. This gives a place for all of that poo poo and debris to go.

Uncle Caveman
Jun 16, 2006



Kommienzuspadt posted:

but what about them allows you to breach doors??
My understanding is it keeps the muzzle a few inches from the surface of the door, preventing any possible barrel obstruction.

Kommienzuspadt
Apr 28, 2004

This bear is tops blooby


Black Stormy posted:

Basically it gives a place for gas and other poo poo to escape. If you press the muzzle against a door and pull the trigger bad things can happen. This gives a place for all of that poo poo and debris to go.

It still strikes me as one of those silly things that are absolutely not all that necessary on a gun (like M4 stocks)

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003



The average civilian would never need it, you are correct. But how much stuff do you own that you actually NEED? Not much is my guess.

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



Kommienzuspadt posted:

It still strikes me as one of those silly things that are absolutely not all that necessary on a gun (like M4 stocks)

You're just jealous that your shotgun doesn't have one of those huge fuckoff Barrett brakes on it.

Uncle Caveman
Jun 16, 2006



DJExile posted:

You're just jealous that your shotgun doesn't have one of those huge fuckoff Barrett brakes on it.
Well, these roads aren't gonna block themselves!

SixthFloorFreak
Jun 18, 2005


can somebody point me in the right direction concerning a Saiga 12. what model should I be looking for and what are the differences between them?

Bogon
Nov 7, 2006


There are a couple of models do you want this for just general BS, skeet, Hunting?

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Yeah the door breacher thing is kind of goofy but I am pretty sure it unscrews to make it normal looking. Unfortunately that's the only one I've seen for sale so far. Definitely was not a feature I was looking for, though!

The "road blocker" brake is even worse, heh.

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SixthFloorFreak
Jun 18, 2005


Bogon posted:

There are a couple of models do you want this for just general BS, skeet, Hunting?

I have dedicated hunting and trap guns, so it will be for just general BS. I for sure want the 19" barrel model, but aren't there some variations on them?

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