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ohhhlethal posted:

If you come across a Browning A-5, use it and don't second guess me you moron. Marouku or Belgian, they are both great, but the Belgians are made slightly better and are more valuable.

I haven't even shot my Belgian A5 yet.

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Teufelskreis posted:

I can't recall ever seeing another bolt-action shotgun, though.

My parents have my grandfather's bolt-action 12-gauge on a rack in the hall. I don't know if it works or not, it hasn't been fired since the early 70s when he bought an 870 Wingmaster to replace it (which does still work, and I love it)

# ¿ Dec 21, 2007 21:37

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TenementFunster posted:

wow, no poo poo? that sounds like a bit of a design goof

I'm assuming it's from the weight of that VFG. Recoil pushes the gun backward, shooter reacts and pushes back against the gun, front grip has enough inertia to keep going and half-cycle the action. It's inherent in the pump-action system and since you're intended to be holding the front grip (or forend) it isn't a design flaw any more than a 1911 with an 8-ounce trigger pull firing itself in recoil is a problem with Browning's design.

Rather, I see this as a marketing flaw. They could easily do away with that grip, thus saving money and allowing them to market this as a demisemiautomatic shotgun.

# ¿ Dec 22, 2007 05:46

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televiper posted:

If so, then it was a J.C. Higgins Model 583, sold by Sears.

Well, I'll be. The gun in my parents' hall is marked as a Model 583.2, and it is in fact a 16 gauge. No crazy adjustachoke, though.

Edit: Whoa. Questionable internet sources says that the 583.2s were produced by H&R way back in 1945.

(that does explain the lack of a serial number)

Now I just need to figure out the little break-action .410 underneath it, which bears no recognizable marks except for "J Stevens Arms TRADE MARK" and "Patented August 1915"

Edit2: Internet research can be fun. It was probably made in 1915 or 1916, after which Westinghouse bought the Stevens factory and used it to make Mosins.

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# ¿ Dec 24, 2007 07:40

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Rocko442 posted:

My dad's Wingmaster survived a loving housefire. all he had to do to get it running again was cut off the melted part of the barrel and refinish, maybe replace the stock.

My grandpa's '72-ish Wingmaster didn't have any such hardships, but it sat for twenty years and functioned perfectly after a quick dusting.

# ¿ Jan 19, 2008 07:36

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How's this for a hypothetical home defense gun (aside from being overly tactical)? I'm thinking about putting one together after my AR is done because, in the event that I ever need an HD gun, I don't want my grandfather's Wingmaster or my 28" Auto-5 to spend the next few years in a locker with evidence tags on it.

18" 870 Express synthetic
Vang Comp barrel workover with porting
Knoxx SpecOps stock
+2 magazine extension
Ghost ring sights from ??? (I hear good things about MMC and Scattergun Technologies)
Bayonet lug for

I don't know crap about slings or the mounting thereof

Edit: Oh man Remington makes a semiauto with a titanium receiver and carbon fiber trim.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2008 11:56

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Uncle Caveman posted:

Christ, a Vang Comp'd bare bones Express will run you about $900.

I guess if you paid $650 for an 870 Express it would.

On a further impractical-but-totally-sweet note, why is it that shotguns, which aren't pinpoint accurate and are often fired without looking straight down the sights, aren't seen with red dots?

# ¿ Jan 22, 2008 16:03

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Uncle Caveman posted:

I thought that too, but Vang seems to think differently. And that $900 was without the options.

Yeah but that's a built up shotgun sold under their name. Doing the entire Vang 'system' on your barrel is only $250.

I guess I'll buy an Express some time, do the obvious mods, and then if it happens to fall into a pile of money somewhere...

# ¿ Jan 22, 2008 18:25

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El Jorge posted:

It'll surprise sex the gently caress out of your night sight if you fire it in the dark. Like if, you know, you woke up at 3 in the morning and someone was in your house.

Vang claims that their system actually cuts flash in half, due to the venting being spread out instead of all at the muzzle. Of course, I've never fired one in the dark myself and I've never heard anyone say that about other porting systems.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2008 00:05

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What price would I be looking at for a new 870 Police Magnum? I don't see many available on Gunbroker or other places online, but they're so much classier than an Express HD.

# ¿ Feb 25, 2008 09:47

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In general, is a police trade-in shotgun a lot like a trade-in pistol: a worn finish with barely-used internals?

# ¿ Mar 1, 2008 05:32

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I've got an 870 on the way and I'm thinking of having it refinished. Where can I find a guide to totally disassembling it? I know how to field-strip one but ideally I'd like to have it broken down to bare pieces of metal-- the receiver, barrel, magazine tube, and trigger guard.

# ¿ Mar 4, 2008 20:35

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So is the magazine tube not removable or is it just so uncommon that instructions aren't available?

# ¿ Mar 4, 2008 21:01

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charliebravo77 posted:

There doesn't seem to be a way to remove the tube, it appears to be welded onto the receiver. In fact, there's a 870 receiver on gunbroker that shows the tube attached, so it doesn't look like it's meant to come off.

Welded on sounds good enough. I just need it broken down enough that I can be sure no grease is hiding in a thread somewhere ready to boil out during the new finish application.

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BaronW posted:

http://www.summitgunbroker.com/1704458.html

They're out of 870s. I emailed him a few days ago.

Edit: PS in case anyone was wondering I did find out that Numrich's diagrams list and illustrate the receiver and magazine tube on an 870 as a single part.

Does anyone know if the Hogue forend is short enough for a six-round side saddle on the receiver?

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LavistaSays posted:

and plenty of aftermarket bits if you need to replace something.

Well I don't know about this one, but the Norinco 870 ripoff is such a close copy that the parts are interchangeable.

# ¿ Mar 8, 2008 07:41

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Buy my Auto-5. Proceeds go to buying my new 870 an EOTech. If you're not on the market, consider this an invitation to mock my bedsheets or horrible wall paneling, or tell he how that's a ridiculous price because no one on any forum I've asked in, including the ones specifically designated for appraising guns, has replied to my questions about what it's worth.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2008 07:18

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Stoic Commie posted:

What is a good 3 point sling for my 870? Preferably something in Olive Drab.

I remember seeing a picture of TF's 870 somewhere. That's the kind of sling I want. Nothing over $35.

Are you implying that TF's shotgun wears a three-point? Because I believe accusations like that can get you shot in some parts of the South.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2008 04:42

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Any 870 barrel will fit in it. (Although I don't know what would happen if you put a 3" chamber barrel on a non-Magnum receiver or such)

Lots of gunsmiths can do parkerization. Exampli gratia. You might as well get the whole thing parkerized though, not just the receiver.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2008 07:25

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Caedus posted:

I just finishing reading though this thread, and I'm still not sure what exactly the difference between the 870 Wingmaster and Express, and 'regular' models are.

870 Expresses are the "regular models". Wingmasters are the very nice ones. The difference is that the Express has plastic parts and rougher internals where the Wingmaster has steel, polished action parts, and much nicer wood. The Wingmaster will pump smoother, have a nicer trigger, and last longer than an Express. Wingmasters don't come with short barrels, so you're either looking at buying an Express or buying a Wingmaster and a seperate barrel. If you can find a used Wingmaster with a short barrel (I got one that used to be a police gun) jump on it.

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Caedus posted:

Oh, and are the barrels interchangeable between models? Say, if I found a Police/Wingmaster gun for a good price, but with a 24" barrel, could I get an Express 18" barrel and put it on?

Yes, barrels are totally interchangeable.

# ¿ Apr 1, 2008 04:47

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Some of the finest hunting guns available are side-by-sides. Although on the other hand I would love to see what a $100,000 hand-built pump-action would be like.

# ¿ Apr 3, 2008 17:56

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Jedi425 posted:

I saved just enough money to spend on other things to put on the shotgun, looks like.

This is why you buy a police Wingmaster!

# ¿ Apr 8, 2008 08:00

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Capn Beeb posted:

The retention screw prevents that shell from going up higher in the saddle, where I like them.

Did you throw away the packaging for that 512? There's a small allen screw included that replaces the huge one.

Also I hate you for demonstrating how bad the cheek weld would be because I want to do that so badly.

Fifty Three posted:

How do the 870 Tacticals and Police Magnums stack up against the Express and Wingmaster series, in terms of build quality, etc.?

870 Tactical is a dressed-up Express with neat stocks, mag extensions, etc. but still fundamentally the same gun underneath. The Police models are the best. They're Wingmasters underneath, but hand-built with some extra heavy-duty parts and a durable parkerized finish.

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DJExile posted:

I figure everyone is about to scream "870!" at me, which is all well and good. I know I want the 18-18.5" barrel, I'd like to put a Surefire forend on it, probably can go with a standard stock (unless someone convinces me a speedfeed stock or folding stock or just a pistol grip is a good idea), and would like the mag to hold more than 2 rounds. What should I be looking at cost-wise?

An 870 Express HD will be around $300. The Surefire forend will be another $200 or so. Figure less if you find a used Express with a short barrel. Closer to $600 for a Police Magnum gun which is awesome if you want your grandchildren to shoot intruders with the same gun. A Wingmaster will fall between the two prices but they're somewhat rare with short barrels. (I got lucky and picked up an 18" Wingmaster police trade-in for about $300, but that's unusual and it's blaze orange)

Edit: PS all of them will hold more than 2 rounds. Some of them come with a removable plug that lowers capacity. You can extend it up to 7 rounds with an 18.5" barrel.

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upsciLLion posted:

Consider a used 870 Wingmaster with wood furniture, an 18" barrel, and a magazine extension for $235 from SummitGunBroker.com.

It may have changed but a few weeks ago he was out of 870s.

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upsciLLion posted:

He just put them up a couple days ago.

In that case I second the suggestion. A used Wingmaster is going to be a lot nicer than a new Express in every way except for a few scuffs and scratches, and the police guns are generally very lightly used.

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Sgt. Shaved Balls posted:

Can one shoot slugs out of a SxS?

Yes. You'll probably want to make sure it has a mild choke, and of course you'll need rifled slugs unless you've got some kind of bizarre rifled coach gun.

# ¿ May 8, 2008 19:37

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No. Just be aware that improved cylinder is the best and anything tighter than that will give you worse accuracy and velocity. Assuming your gun is well-built with modern steel, it can handle forcing a slug through just about any choke.

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BaronW posted:

What's wrong with the Knoxx Specops collapsable?

Reducing recoil makes you less of a man.

# ¿ May 17, 2008 00:31

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Mesa Tactical does make a railed shotshell holder for the 870, you just got the wrong one. Also, the EOTech won't work well on it. I'd dearly love for it to work, and so would Capn Beeb, but the EOTech window is just too high for a traditional-stock gun.

# ¿ Jun 13, 2008 05:29

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Medsmokah posted:

I have seen shotguns with EoTechs at some frontsight classes that I have attended. Can you explain to me why it doesn't work well? Perhaps there is some kind of riser that I can put under or maybe theres a different holo sight that would work better?

I guess I could always exchange the side saddle for some ghost rings or something...

Mounted to the top of the receiver, its window is simply so high that it's very difficult to keep a cheekweld and see the reticle at the same time. It could work if your stock had a cheek-riser on it, or if you had one of the many AR-style stocks. It could also work with one of the more civilian-style red dots like a C-More, which tend to be more fragile but place the window as low as possible.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2008 05:05

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I want to function-check some of my shotguns at a local rifle range. What's the cheapest place to get slugs?

PS checked out a guy's 590A1 at the range the other day. I think I'm still an 870 man (can't get over that wonky safety), but those are nice guns.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2008 13:45

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When setting the friction system on my Auto-5, can I assume all slugs are going to be a "heavy" load?

# ¿ Jun 27, 2008 08:03

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Nine Lives posted:

The Mossberg loving owns, get over it. The Remington is so less ergonomic

Uhh yeah as far as possible from your fingers is a great place for controls I guess.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2008 21:01

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Fifty Three posted:

Edit: Hogue? Anyone else to consider, or are they the best?

They're very good. You want the Youth (or 12" LOP) model for a short stock.

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Agrocrag posted:

Where can I get a 870 police/tactical whatever with a parked finish online?

Basically just Gunbroker.

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Agrocrag posted:

Do you think its worth it to go for a police over the express model? I hear the express rusts really easily.

The Police model is really great but I'm not sure it's worth it. An Express is at least 90% of the gun that the Police is, a used Wingmaster is 99%, and neither cost even half of a new Police Magnum.

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Thepossiblelight posted:

i'm looking at the midway website at the nordic components mag extensions, and the wingmaster i'm building on has an 18.5, i'm not going to buy a new barrel, so does anyone happen to know which mag extension will fit best and not go over the barrel?
also, should i be picking nordic on this one?

You want a +2 mag extension for that, it will end up slightly shorter than your barrel. The Nordic Components extension is very good, you may also want to look at Wilson Combat/Scattergun Technologies extensions and maybe the Vang Comp products.

Bylzebub posted:

Just got a brand new 870 HD and when i go ranging with my buddies I would love a nice 3 point or otherwise tactical sling for it. Would also love a bandolier sling for pure awesomeness. Whose got some recommendations?

The best tactical sling is the Vickers CAS 2-point, which is on-the-fly adjustable. You may also look at a simple 1-point sling. Bandoliers and 3-points are jokes, so the only thing I can say is that if it's really your HD gun please take those things off after you're done at the range.

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Bylzebub posted:

Don't worry, this would only be a range toy for 2 gun practice. I think I'm going to get that sling, my stock has 2 swivel studs, is this what i need for attachment?
http://www.blueforcegear.com/produc..._id=&prod_id=44

If you have two swivel studs already you really need are two swivels to put on them. You could also use that burnsed loop and a swivel up front if you want the slingt further forward.

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