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At least in VA, it must be 26" OAL with the stock folded/collapsed. My 870 with 18" barrel and a Knoxx CopStock is just under 30" when folded.
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| # ¿ Dec 11, 2007 16:24 |
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| # ¿ May 25, 2013 09:48 |
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Jager posted:Who makes the best magazine tube extensions?
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| # ¿ Dec 17, 2007 12:04 |
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bunnielab posted:...the 870 is a "oh god, dude in my house, which way is safe and which way is fire???"  Jager posted:My only concern is how easy it would be to reach the top-mounted safety from a pistol grip stock... Also: quote:Or just buy a FN self loader so I can play with that at some point.
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| # ¿ Dec 18, 2007 04:43 |
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Flanker posted:Hello Shotgun thread, what's up?  
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| # ¿ Dec 20, 2007 12:42 |
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The most inexpensive solution that will still be effective is a small flashlight clamped to the barrel or mag tube. A Surefire G2 ($35, plastic), 6P ($60, metal) or other comparable flashlight is fine - just make sure it's as bright as possible, no Mini-Maglite or anything like that. Remember, the goal of a weaponlight isn't to find your keys in the dark, it's to blind your target. My preferred ghetto-rear end mounting method is a barrel clamp, like this one. There are a number of rail attachments for shotguns (you could use a 1" scope ring to hold a Surefire, for instance), but they all stick too far out to me. The clamp allows me to rotate the light 'til it's right alongside the forend, in just the right spot for my thumb to press the tailcap. Remember also to take the light off if you're going to the range - a Surefire is tough, but it'll get beat to hell by the recoil. There's a reason the handhelds are only a few bucks and the dedicated weapon forend is so pricey.
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| # ¿ Dec 25, 2007 18:59 |
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...which raises a good question: What is the difference between skeet, trap, etc.? I've always just lumped them into the sport of "throwing poo poo in the air and shooting it." 
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| # ¿ Dec 26, 2007 16:28 |
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People smarter than me posted:Skeet & Trap rules  pumps and enormous Saigas.
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| # ¿ Dec 26, 2007 18:38 |
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As cool as shorty barrels are, I wouldn't want one on a HD gun unless it had some custom choke-work done to it. From a day of shooting yesterday: (Remington 870 w/ 18" cylinder barrel, shooting 2.75" 12-pellet 00 buck shells at a standard silhouette target) Shot #1: 7 yards, 5" spread, all pellets on target. Shot #2: 10 yards, 7" spread, all pellets on target. Shot #3: 15 yards, 12" spread, 11 pellets on target. Shot #4: 20 yards, 14" spread, 9 pellets on target.
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| # ¿ Dec 27, 2007 03:33 |
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My point was that I wouldn't want an extremely short barrel for home defense - 18" is, to me, the right balance between size & accuracy. 15 yards is about the longest range I'd have to worry about; accuracy with the cylinder barrel is acceptable... but something like the Vang Comp setup with a tighter choke would be even better. Also, I was using decent-but-not-spectacular S&B ammo; I'll have to try something fancier and see if it makes much difference.
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| # ¿ Dec 27, 2007 06:22 |
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Sure, different schools of thought. I agree that you shouldn't be shining the light all the time - and since that's the case, I prefer a really really bright light. The Surefire & Insight lights I've tried have a very definite center beam, but also provide enough splash for the surrounding area. As for the blinding effect, I see it this way: Both Mr. Invader and I are in a dark room. Since I'm going to reveal myself the moment I use the light anyway, I'd rather it be bright enough that Mr. Invader momentarily loses his night vision. Granted, any flashlight will mess up your eyes when they're adjusted to dark - I'd just rather have as much light on hand as possible. On that point, your night vision will suffer a lot less from shining a light at something, versus having a light shined at you. I'm also of the mindset that "home defense" means locking your bedroom door, readying a gun and calling the cops... not clearing your house room by room, slicing pies and breaching the fridge door with primacord in case the bad guy is trying to evade your thermal scanners by hiding behind the mayonnaise.
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| # ¿ Dec 27, 2007 20:14 |
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From what I've heard, the 870 Tactical is just an Express with a fancy paint job and a few extra bits. God I hate that word. TACTICAL. That is the word I hate. edit: Still, a swappable choke on an 18" barrel is a nice touch. Uncle Caveman fucked around with this message at Jan 14, 2008 around 18:52 |
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If the used Wingmaster isn't beat to poo poo, yes that is a great price. Hell, that's a great price even if it is beat to poo poo.
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| # ¿ Jan 18, 2008 19:40 |
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shootme posted:
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| # ¿ Jan 19, 2008 13:20 |
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charliebravo77 posted:Thanks again, you should have seen me all giddy and smirking when I put it on 
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| # ¿ Jan 19, 2008 22:35 |
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Looks like a USMC-type bayo mount; they used them in Vietnam. There was one on ebay the other day for $175. e: Looks like there's still a few in use. Close-up here. Uncle Caveman fucked around with this message at Jan 19, 2008 around 23:01 |
| # ¿ Jan 19, 2008 22:57 |
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Fun fact: The step-down on the end of a a factory 870 tube was originally for the bayo mount, as HDS pointed out. Funny that it's still that way, even on new guns. I always wondered why mine had it, I assumed it was just to fit the mag spring or something. PS if anyone ever wants to sell their bayo mount, PM me and name your price. 
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| # ¿ Jan 20, 2008 15:02 |
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BaronW posted:Get your very own for $200 USD!  quote:And what do you guys think of this one? I find it rather tempting. His Divine Shadow posted:Well personally I think it just looks better that way, it just shows that this is a real remington extension and not just some generic third party addon.
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| # ¿ Jan 21, 2008 00:22 |
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Christ, a Vang Comp'd bare bones Express will run you about $900.
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| # ¿ Jan 22, 2008 13:15 |
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Pitch posted:hypothetical home defense gun: 12gauge pump 18" barrel +2 mag tube Flashlight Limbsaver recoil pad, or Knoxx Stock if you're feeling saucy Front bead is fine, Ghost rings are great but not an absolute necessity Forget slings, lasers or bayonets.
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| # ¿ Jan 22, 2008 15:41 |
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I thought that too, but Vang seems to think differently. And that $900 was without the options. 
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| # ¿ Jan 22, 2008 16:09 |
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Pitch posted:Yeah but that's a built up shotgun sold under their name. Doing the entire Vang 'system' on your barrel is only $250.
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| # ¿ Jan 22, 2008 18:51 |
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Demagogue posted:What are the best choke options for sporting clays? My gun came with full, modified and improved chokes.
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| # ¿ Jan 25, 2008 16:39 |
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A new 500 will usually be $250-300; a new 870 Express around $300. You should be able to find a used one for ~$200 without much difficulty.
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| # ¿ Jan 26, 2008 12:31 |
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Yeah, you can find the police forend (either wood or plastic) pretty easily. From examining mine, it looks like you could shave down the edges to round them off for more of a trenchgun style if you really wanted to, but (at least on the wood type), it might be more at risk of splintering if you really abuse it.
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| # ¿ Jan 31, 2008 22:28 |
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In the 1993 megablockbuster Striking Distance, Bruce Willis is a river cop in pursuit of a barge that's been hijacked by generic '90s thugs (re: blond white guys in tank tops and hightops an Zubaz). He slips on board by ducking underwater and grabbing hold of the stern. Just before he submerges, he unloads his 870 Marine and sticks two shells in his mouth, I can only assume to keep them from getting waterlogged. Evidently there's a special type of plastic that will withstand saliva but not water, I don't know. The point of all this is that he knew the gun would work fine when it got wet. And that they shouldn't have put him in the water if they didn't want him to make waves. vvv I prefer to store them in my rear end, but the plug limits me to two rounds when I'm hunting.
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skitzed posted:This also raises a couple more questions, however. What is the real difference, internal-wise, between the express, the wingmaster, the xcs, and the police models? The Police has a beefed-up trigger group, designed for constant heavy use. I like it 'cause the parkerized finish looks better than the Express' bead blast and 'cause it says "POLICE" on the side and I thought their music was pretty good but could've used less reggae and more shotguns. Incidentally, you can buy the Police trigger group and drop it into an Express if you really want to. The Wingmaster is supposedly tits on parade. New, they're pricey, but you can find ridiculous deals on used models if you look around. Someone here got one for like $250, less than a new Express. However, they're very much marketed at the hunting crowd - most I've seen have engravings and fancy bits and inlaid voodoo charms of some kind.
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| # ¿ Feb 21, 2008 20:31 |
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ATI makes a heatshield with ghost rings on it. ATI also makes universally lovely products. If you just want inexpensive and easy, it's worth a try. If you want good and durable, you'll need to drop some cash - either a barrel w/ sights (one with a cantilever scope mount would be great for a red dot, I think), or have a smith drill & tap for a set of ghost rings.
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| # ¿ Feb 23, 2008 12:38 |
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Chill_Bebop posted:I bought one for my 870 Police, I guess its all right, even if sometimes the follower gets stuck. I don't think the spring they come with is very strong. Otherwise, the factory and Scattergun Tech tubes I've got have worked perfectly.
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| # ¿ Feb 24, 2008 23:55 |
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I've seen them on Bud's for ~$430 (looks like they're out of stock now)... or at a store for $570. 
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| # ¿ Feb 25, 2008 12:41 |
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charliebravo77 posted:pop out the magazine spring retainer from the tube
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| # ¿ Mar 4, 2008 20:58 |
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Pitch posted:Does anyone know if the Hogue forend is short enough for a six-round side saddle on the receiver?
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| # ¿ Mar 5, 2008 13:02 |
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The money you sink into "fixing up" a cheap 870 clone would be better spent on an actual 870 Express that will work 100% of the time right out of the box.
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| # ¿ Mar 8, 2008 08:12 |
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If you think it's fine as-is, then that's a good price for a fun range gun. But, if you're only considering it because it's inexpensive and plan on adding a bunch of extra stuff (new stock/forend, light, saddle, etc) for a HD gun, well... Also, the difference in price between a $200-250 used Remington and a $180 new import clone is, in the big picture, negligible. The difference in quality and reliability is not. But hey, it's only money.
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| # ¿ Mar 8, 2008 13:41 |
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Caedus posted:Basically, I want a range toy where I can take advantage of the $24/100 bulk cases of shells and go nuts, and I'd prefer an 18" to 20" barrel. However, if you can find a used Wingmaster or Police in that same price range ($250-300), by all means get it.
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| # ¿ Mar 31, 2008 08:20 |
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Pitch posted:Yes, barrels are totally interchangeable.
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| # ¿ Apr 1, 2008 09:36 |
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Neat, I've never seen that trenchgun-style forend on an 870 before. If you really want to SBS it, Mossberg (yes) makes an 18" 870 barrel that can be found for $100.
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| # ¿ Apr 6, 2008 03:33 |
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Sgt. Shaved Balls posted:If I were to krylon this shotgun what would be the best way to go about doing it? 2: Mask anything you won't want painted. 3: Spray a light coat and let it dry for an hour. 4+: Repeat step 3 several times. After you've got about 5-6 coats, let the whole thing set for a day or two. Resist the urge to play with it, a pube stuck in the paint is the sure mark of an amateur and other people will know.
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| # ¿ Apr 7, 2008 20:24 |
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Fifty Three posted:I assume the max is 6+1? Some of the 870 Tatcicals have a muzzle device, ostensibly as a breaching standoff device but really just a neat TACTICAL thingie to put on the end of the choke tube. A short HD barrel with a swappable choke is something I'm glad Rem finally got around to doing. Even with the short length, a full or super full choke will give you a ridiculously tight pattern at HD distances. Though unfortunately, you will now have to aim your shotgun. 
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| # ¿ Apr 14, 2008 03:31 |
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That's a very good price for a po-surp Wingmaster. He's also got some short-barrel Police Mags that are classified as AOW instead of SBS for $625, which is drat tempting. I'm not sure if putting a stock on after purchase would turn it into a SBS, though (and so be subject to the $200 stamp).
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| # ¿ Apr 24, 2008 01:24 |
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I'd think this low weaver backup sight would work on that setup. This looks considerably more tackytical but is also considerably more expensive and at the moment considerably less in stock. For the front sight you'd likely have to grind off the bead and solder a dovetailed ramp like this (or whatever will for the sight you want to use)
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