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DeciusMagnus: Mar 16, 2004; Seven times five
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How's running FreeBSD 64-bit? I remember people cautioning against 64-bit Windows for various reasons (something about drivers and applications support or something) and I was wondering if 64-bit FreeBSD had it's reasons for avoiding it as well. Is Windows just having problems with 64-bit (if it still does)?

# ? Aug 11, 2008 21:57

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# ? May 18, 2013 11:32

chrispyman: Mar 24, 2005; The Original 8-bit Burninator

DeciusMagnus posted:

How's running FreeBSD 64-bit? I remember people cautioning against 64-bit Windows for various reasons (something about drivers and applications support or something) and I was wondering if 64-bit FreeBSD had it's reasons for avoiding it as well. Is Windows just having problems with 64-bit (if it still does)?

It's just the x64 versions of Windows. FreeBSD runs great on x64 since for the most part everything is compiled from source and works fine. The only thing you might have to worry about is if you have some sorta custom binary only stuff but the emulation layer might be able to take care of those.

# ? Aug 11, 2008 22:12

CrzyDTpBoy: Aug 5, 2003; 997...998...999......GAMETIME

chrispyman posted:

It's just the x64 versions of Windows. FreeBSD runs great on x64 since for the most part everything is compiled from source and works fine.

Purely anecdotal: a few coworkers and I noticed a enough of an increase in random X problems and general instability when running amd64 to keep everyone on i386.

EDIT: The problems were only on desktops running X. We're almost exclusively amd64 on servers. The last i386 server is getting the beatdown this week.

# ? Aug 12, 2008 03:13

JamesOff: Dec 12, 2002; I'll take the case!

I ran amd64 on my Athlon64 for a bit, but gave up because I got bored of things like win32-codecs not working so I couldn't play a load of media files.

This was a year or two ago now, so it might be better now, but if you need anything that uses things like that it would be worth checking.

Performance-wise, I didn't notice any difference.

# ? Aug 12, 2008 08:23

DeciusMagnus: Mar 16, 2004; Seven times five
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jnr posted:

Just install native Firefox and www/swfdec-plugin if you want youtube. It's not perfect and doesn't work for everything (yet!), but youtube plays perfectly and the sound stays in sync unlike with Adobe's binary.

swfdec didn't really work out well for Youtube; I cannot see any video but I can hear the audio. I also tried wine with Windows Firefox and Windows Flash and that worked well. I also tried gnash and that worked too except none of the controls on Youtube worked, just the audio and video.

I would rather not have use Windows Firefox all the time, but it's nice to know it's there in a bind when Gnash is having problems.

# ? Aug 13, 2008 00:33

Only Shallow: Nov 12, 2005; show

chrispyman posted:

The only thing you might have to worry about is if you have some sorta custom binary only stuff

Like the nvidia driver

DeciusMagnus posted:

swfdec didn't really work out well for Youtube

I don't know what to tell you. It works perfectly for me under Epiphany, FF2, and FF3. What browser are you using?

# ? Aug 13, 2008 01:03

DeciusMagnus: Mar 16, 2004; Seven times five
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jnr posted:

I don't know what to tell you. It works perfectly for me under Epiphany, FF2, and FF3. What browser are you using?

Firefox 3. I was just posting alternatives I've tried and their results in case anyone else is having problems. I've started moving most of my desktop activities to FreeBSD, but I was afraid things like lack of Flash support would keep me from completely switching, but these findings are reassuring. I'm going to have to keep my Windows box for games though.

# ? Aug 13, 2008 03:18

helixxo: May 2, 2005

jnr posted:

Check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see when/why it's dying. If you get the prompt saying "run fsck manually" that asks which shell to use just hit Enter to select /bin/sh, run "fsck -y", and then "exit" once it's done to complete the boot like normal.

Thanks, system came back up after fsck. Okay, I started checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log and it seems the system is freezing before it can write a log file. It either freezes with the beginning of the x startup text on the screen or with a black screen.

This is the .conf file I'm using http://pastebin.com/m5d48f8ef
Small tweaks I've tried are removing "BusID "PCI:1:0:0"" from the Device section and "Modes "1440x900"" from the screen section.

helixxo fucked around with this message at Aug 15, 2008 around 06:11

# ? Aug 15, 2008 04:11

Only Shallow: Nov 12, 2005; show

Check kldstat for nvidia.ko before you startx. It should be there if you have nvidia_load="YES" (also linux_enable if you checked that on the config screen) in /boot/loader.conf

# ? Aug 15, 2008 06:52

helixxo: May 2, 2005

jnr posted:

Check kldstat for nvidia.ko before you startx. It should be there if you have nvidia_load="YES" (also linux_enable if you checked that on the config screen) in /boot/loader.conf

Yah both of those are in loader.conf, kldstat shows:
kernel
linux.ko
nvidia.ko
acpi.ko
linprocfs.ko

# ? Aug 15, 2008 07:26

Sergeant Hobo: Jan 7, 2007

If I wanted to put FreeBSD on my laptop (not going to at the moment, but just for the sake of discussion), is it possible that I can NFS mount my server's ports tree so I can update that only once and have my FreeBSD laptop access it or would that cause issues somehow?

# ? Aug 18, 2008 01:52

complex: Sep 16, 2003

Sergeant Hobo posted:

If I wanted to put FreeBSD on my laptop (not going to at the moment, but just for the sake of discussion), is it possible that I can NFS mount my server's ports tree so I can update that only once and have my FreeBSD laptop access it or would that cause issues somehow?

It will work. In fact is described as an example in the Handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books...etwork-nfs.html

It doesn't cause a problem because port configurations are stored somewhere else, in /var/db/ports.

# ? Aug 18, 2008 03:27

CrzyDTpBoy: Aug 5, 2003; 997...998...999......GAMETIME

Sergeant Hobo posted:

If I wanted to put FreeBSD on my laptop (not going to at the moment, but just for the sake of discussion), is it possible that I can NFS mount my server's ports tree so I can update that only once and have my FreeBSD laptop access it or would that cause issues somehow?

If you're going to be doing it read-only and don't want to have to ssh to the NFS server to fetch distfiles, you'll need to set WRKDIRPREFIX and DISTDIR in /etc/make.conf.

# ? Aug 18, 2008 04:34

trekdanne: Jun 8, 2008

This looks very interesting: http://ivoras.sharanet.org/blog/tre...to-current.html

Old new, but apparently they are commiting the new improved usb stack into current. Let hope it can solve some problems i have been experiencing wiht usb mass storage devices.

# ? Aug 22, 2008 23:16

ptier: Jul 2, 2007; Back off man, I'm a scientist.

Does anyone know of a kernel module that will read/mount HFS+? I have a drobo formatted in it and I would like it to mount to my FreeBSD desktop. I looked around and found an old article about it from back around 5.1 but nothing else.

# ? Sep 3, 2008 01:29

CrzyDTpBoy: Aug 5, 2003; 997...998...999......GAMETIME

ptier posted:

Does anyone know of a kernel module that will read/mount HFS+?

There's http://www.freshports.org/emulators/hfsutils/, but it doesn't explicitly say HFS+.

# ? Sep 3, 2008 01:56

ptier: Jul 2, 2007; Back off man, I'm a scientist.

CrzyDTpBoy posted:

There's http://www.freshports.org/emulators/hfsutils/, but it doesn't explicitly say HFS+.

yea, saw that too. Whelp I'll give it a shot and report back with... something.

# ? Sep 3, 2008 11:53

Rated PG-34: Jul 1, 2004

jnr posted:

Like the nvidia driver

I tried looking into buying a new video card too, and it seemed like nothing was supported.

# ? Sep 3, 2008 13:48

helixxo: May 2, 2005

On a fresh install of freebsd 7 with gnome I'm trying to get HAL mounting. I put dbus, hald, and polkitd enabled in rc.conf, I fire up gnome and ctrl+alt+f1 shows something like:

quote:

initializing gnome mount extension
nautilus: warning: failed to initialize libhal context (null)
nautilus: warning: could not initialize hal context
shutting down gnome-mount extension

Somehow I was able to fix this a few hours ago but then I reinstalled bsd and I can't remember which parts of the keyboard I was pounding with my fists when It started working.

Also, I went to install glib-2.x with ports and it said there was an old version and to get rid of it with "make deinstall" but the ports section in the bsd handbook says to pkg_delete to remove a package. When and for what do I use each of these commands?

Also, I've installed Banshee music player with ports and when I open it I get a "Starting banshee..." box in the window list, but then it dissapears and nothing happens. ctrl+alt+f1 shows:

quote:

/usr/local/bin/banshee-1: ${arg:0...}: Bad substitution

Finally, what is the window I see when I hit ctrl+alt+f1 called :p?

helixxo fucked around with this message at Sep 13, 2008 around 22:59

# ? Sep 13, 2008 19:24

Only Shallow: Nov 12, 2005; show

helixxo posted:

Somehow I was able to fix this a few hours ago but then I reinstalled bsd and I can't remember which parts of the keyboard I was pounding with my fists when It started working.

Make sure you have "vfs.usermount=1" in your /etc/sysctl.conf and are mounting /proc:

fstab posted:

proc /proc procfs rw 0 0

HAL/PolicyKit won't work without it. Then head to the terminal and run these commands to disable to old pre-2.22 automounting system:

quote:

gconftool-2 -s --type bool /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_drives false
gconftool-2 -s --type bool /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_media false
gconftool-2 -s --type bool /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autobrowse false
gconftool-2 -s --type bool /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_cda false
gconftool-2 -s --type bool /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_dvd false
gconftool-2 -s --type bool /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoplay_vcd false
gconftool-2 -s --type bool /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/autoprinter false

# ? Sep 13, 2008 23:49

helixxo: May 2, 2005

Alright, thanks, did all that, still get the hal error starting gnome. But, root, usr, var, tmp, proc are all mounted including cdrom which is nice, but it doens't mount my mp3 player.

helixxo fucked around with this message at Sep 14, 2008 around 00:21

# ? Sep 14, 2008 00:15

CrzyDTpBoy: Aug 5, 2003; 997...998...999......GAMETIME

Kapser posted:

If any of you happen to be in NYC, or would like to travel, NYCBSDCon will be happening over the weekend of October 11-12, 2008 at Columbia University with a similar format to the 2006 conference.

I got my travel confirmation for NYCBSDCon yesterday. Anyone else going?

# ? Sep 23, 2008 11:51

uncleTomOfFinland: May 25, 2008

I am trying to put FreeBSD on my old HP Omnibook 6000 with an ATI Rage Mobility graphics chipset and I get this when starting up X.org:

code:

(EE) MACH64(0): [dri] ATIDRIScreenInit failed because of a version mismatch.
[dri] mach64.o kernel module version is 1.0.0, but version 2.x is needed (with 2.x >= 2.0).
[dri] Disabling DRI.

All the relevant modules are loaded successfully and I have the latest production release of 7.0 and all my ports are up-to-date. What is it excatly that I need to install/upgrade or am I doing something else wrong?

# ? Oct 7, 2008 07:43

CrzyDTpBoy: Aug 5, 2003; 997...998...999......GAMETIME

Pavol Paska posted:

I am trying to put FreeBSD on my old HP Omnibook 6000 with an ATI Rage Mobility graphics chipset and I get this when starting up X.org:

It appears to be a known issue.

Do none of the other ATI modules support DRI?

# ? Oct 7, 2008 23:03

feld: Feb 11, 2008; Out of nowhere its....

FELDSPAR

I just updated to 7.0-RELEASE-p5 today, but I'm not a regular FBSD follower. Can someone point out to me the release notes for -p5 because I can't seem to find it anywhere. What exactly did they fix in it?

I have one outstanding bug that I would like to have fixed before 7.1 and I'm hoping it was fixed.

edit: looks like it wasn't. you'd think they'd have fixed it by now. problem at hand: iSCSI performance is abysmal (~1.5MB/s). I tried patching with a patch I found on a mailing list but it didn't work.

feld fucked around with this message at Oct 15, 2008 around 14:56

# ? Oct 15, 2008 14:46

EvilMoFo: Jan 1, 2006

feld posted:

Can someone point out to me the release notes for -p5 because I can't seem to find it anywhere. What exactly did they fix in it?

http://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories.html

# ? Oct 15, 2008 19:21

feld: Feb 11, 2008; Out of nowhere its....

FELDSPAR

EvilMoFo posted:

http://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories.html

That doesn't tell me exactly what was changed in p5, it only lists the history of the security advisories. I could do some guesswork by looking at the dates of things, but that doesn't answer everything such as bug fixes that aren't security issues.

# ? Oct 15, 2008 20:50

Only Shallow: Nov 12, 2005; show

/usr/src/UPDATING posted:

20081002: p5 FreeBSD-SA-08:10.nd6
Default to ignoring potentially evil IPv6 Neighbor Solicitation messages.

# ? Oct 15, 2008 22:23

CrzyDTpBoy: Aug 5, 2003; 997...998...999......GAMETIME

feld posted:

That doesn't tell me exactly what was changed in p5, it only lists the history of the security advisories. I could do some guesswork by looking at the dates of things, but that doesn't answer everything such as bug fixes that aren't security issues.

Bugfixes don't really hit patch levels. But looking in UPDATING:

quote:

20081002: p5 FreeBSD-SA-08:10.nd6
Default to ignoring potentially evil IPv6 Neighbor Solicitation
messages.

# ? Oct 15, 2008 23:12

feld: Feb 11, 2008; Out of nowhere its....

FELDSPAR

ahh, I see now. Thanks a lot guys.

# ? Oct 16, 2008 21:22

Sergeant Hobo: Jan 7, 2007

It seems the FreeBSD foundation put up a set of official forums: http://forums.freebsd.org/.

Also, I've been kind of interested in DragonFly BSD and was wondering if anyone had any experience with it and that Hammer filesystem.

# ? Nov 17, 2008 23:38

uksheep: Jul 23, 2007; do andriods dream of electric sheep

any one here running an FTP server on Freebsd, I have to have one running for a god awful business reason and there is no way to run it using a sane protocol.

I'm going to run this in a jail with no outside access apart from port 21 running on a private IP that I'm redirecting all ftp traffic to from pf.

question is which one is best or most secure etc

# ? Dec 2, 2008 12:36

complex: Sep 16, 2003

uksheep posted:

any one here running an FTP server on Freebsd, I have to have one running for a god awful business reason and there is no way to run it using a sane protocol.

I'm going to run this in a jail with no outside access apart from port 21 running on a private IP that I'm redirecting all ftp traffic to from pf.

question is which one is best or most secure etc

I recommend vsftpd.

# ? Dec 2, 2008 12:53

uksheep: Jul 23, 2007; do andriods dream of electric sheep

I guess you can sorta trust the one that FreeBSD.org runs

# ? Dec 2, 2008 15:35

Kreeblah: May 17, 2004; INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE

I don't know whether anybody else here uses it, but pfSense 1.2.1 was released yesterday. It's mostly a bugfix release, but they did move to FreeBSD 7 as a base, so it should have better performance than prior releases.

# ? Dec 26, 2008 21:30

LinuxGirl87: Feb 13, 2006; by Ozmaugh

Kreeblah posted:

I don't know whether anybody else here uses it, but pfSense 1.2.1 was released yesterday. It's mostly a bugfix release, but they did move to FreeBSD 7 as a base, so it should have better performance than prior releases.

Doesn't that mean immensely improved wireless support, including some draft-N cards? I've always wanted to kit bash a wireless router and this might just be the BSD for me...

# ? Dec 27, 2008 00:34

Kreeblah: May 17, 2004; INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE

Doctor Optimal posted:

Doesn't that mean immensely improved wireless support, including some draft-N cards? I've always wanted to kit bash a wireless router and this might just be the BSD for me...

In theory, yes. It should be able to use any hardware that FreeBSD 7 supports. Whether they've actually written any code to support 802.11n functionality is another story. It's a maintenance release without new features, so I'm not sure and since I don't have any 802.11n cards myself, I can't try it out.

# ? Dec 27, 2008 03:08

complex: Sep 16, 2003

FreeBSD 7.1 RELEASE has been tagged and is now being being built/packaged.

If you stop by your favorite mirror you might find an ISO for your desired distribution.

# ? Jan 4, 2009 15:50

LooseChanj: Feb 17, 2006; Guess who's coming to dinner!

complex posted:

FreeBSD 7.1 RELEASE has been tagged and is now being being built/packaged.

If you stop by your favorite mirror you might find an ISO for your desired distribution.

I installed the amd64 version yesterday. After 7.0 hung while trying to boot off the install cd, I went to d/l the 7.1 RC and drat if it didn't say release on it. So whoot.

# ? Jan 4, 2009 17:07

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# ? May 18, 2013 11:32

Sergeant Hobo: Jan 7, 2007

In addition, I found the 7.1-RELEASE release notes.

# ? Jan 4, 2009 23:30

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