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Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

What the gently caress is Newegg doing to those drives that so many are bad out of the box?

# ? May 18, 2013 16:03

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# ? May 22, 2013 03:03

Moxie Omen: Mar 15, 2008

On second look at the serial #'s it's actually one of the drives I bought from Amazon, but still

Gonna power down and file an RMA w/ WD later today once ZFS finishes this stupid scrub.

code:

  pool: zvol1
 state: ONLINE
status: One or more devices has experienced an unrecoverable error.  An
        attempt was made to correct the error.  Applications are unaffected.
action: Determine if the device needs to be replaced, and clear the errors
        using 'zpool clear' or replace the device with 'zpool replace'.
   see: [url]http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-9P[/url]
  scan: scrub in progress since Fri May 17 22:57:40 2013
        1.33T scanned out of 2.66T at 77.1M/s, 5h1m to go
        38.0M repaired, 50.03% done
config:

        NAME                                            STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        zvol1                                           ONLINE       0     0     0
          raidz1-0                                      ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/5e54230a-bc16-11e2-8ab3-6805ca03696c  ONLINE       0     0     2
            gptid/5ea3c3f6-bc16-11e2-8ab3-6805ca03696c  ONLINE       0     0     0  (repairing)
            gptid/5ef1e7d0-bc16-11e2-8ab3-6805ca03696c  ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/5f3f0cd0-bc16-11e2-8ab3-6805ca03696c  ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/5f9d30fc-bc16-11e2-8ab3-6805ca03696c  ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/5ff3388c-bc16-11e2-8ab3-6805ca03696c  ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/604b0f1d-bc16-11e2-8ab3-6805ca03696c  ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/60a12476-bc16-11e2-8ab3-6805ca03696c  ONLINE       0     0     0
            gptid/60f80740-bc16-11e2-8ab3-6805ca03696c  ONLINE       0     0     0

errors: No known data errors

code:

(da0:mps0:0:2:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 12 46 69 e8 0 0 20 0 length 16384 SMID 812 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
(da0:mps0:0:2:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 12 46 6a 8 0 0 20 0 length 16384 SMID 1023 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
(da0:mps0:0:2:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 12 46 6a 28 0 0 20 0 length 16384 SMID 548 terminated ioc 804b scsi 0 state 0 xfer 0
(da0:mps0:0:2:0): READ(10). CDB: 28 0 12 46 69 c8 0 0 20 0
(da0:mps0:0:2:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error
(da0:mps0:0:2:0): SCSI status: Check Condition
(da0:mps0:0:2:0): SCSI sense: MEDIUM ERROR info:124669e0 asc:11,0 (Unrecovered read error)

repeat ad infinitum

yaaaaaaay

smartctl -a /dev/da0 for giggles:

code:

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   163   163   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       2875
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   245   176   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       2750
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       20
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   188   188   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       364
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       129
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       20
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       19
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   120   120   000    Old_age   Always       -       30
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   198   198   000    Old_age   Always       -       2
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       4
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

2875 raw_read_error_rate, that's bad, right?

# ? May 18, 2013 16:06

Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

Moxie Omen posted:

2875 raw_read_error_rate, that's bad, right?

Nah these are your bad ones:

code:

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   188   188   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       364
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   198   198   000    Old_age   Always       -       2
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       4

# ? May 18, 2013 16:12

Moxie Omen: Mar 15, 2008

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Nah these are your bad ones:

code:

ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   188   188   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       364
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   198   198   000    Old_age   Always       -       2
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       4

Ahhh, good to know. Thank you based sex parrot.

# ? May 18, 2013 16:21

Combat Pretzel: Jun 23, 2004; No, seriously... what kurds?!

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

What the gently caress is Newegg doing to those drives that so many are bad out of the box?

WD disks park their heads off platter, so there shouldn't be anything that could happen when off. This DOA poo poo is the reason I paid premium and got the RE4 versions.

# ? May 18, 2013 16:23

Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

Combat Pretzel posted:

WD disks park their heads off platter, so there shouldn't be anything that could happen when off.

That's what I don't understand. I've handled hundreds of Reds over the last year and never seen failure rates like what people are getting here. I honestly believe that the Reds are the best drive WD has put out in years. It's just alarming to see so many issues here.

# ? May 18, 2013 16:28

PitViper: May 25, 2003; Welcome and thank you for shopping at Wal-Mart!
I love you!

Fwiw, when I bought my Reds on Amazon, they came shipped in individual boxes, packed in plastic containers/shells inside the boxes, and the individual boxes were in a big box filled tight with packing paper and bubble wrap. Newegg seems to just toss their OEM drives in a box with paper, and they're packaged in a static bag. Maybe that accounts for the difference? I've had mine now for 6 months with no issues at all, 5x2TB in a raidz1.

# ? May 18, 2013 20:07

Master Stur: Jun 13, 2008; Rush'n Attack: Ex-Patriot

kill your idols posted:

Cool thanks. I have a Samsung 840 (non-pro) now as my boot drive, but it seems to be a waste of space for just the OS install and some packages.

I'm gonna grab one off Newegg dispit their awful reviews about failure rate.

Yeah I saw those newer reviews complaining about dead drives, hopefully just a vocal minority

at least it's a well received drive in the ssd megathread too.

And yeah, when we ordered our Reds from CDW they all came in individual boxes inside a much larger box similar to Amazon. The two smaller ones from newegg we got awhile ago came in static bags and bubble wrap.

# ? May 18, 2013 20:44

kill your idols: Sep 11, 2003; couldn't find a better way to lie

With all the horror stories, I refuse to buy anything that spins from Newegg. I'm lucky enough to be 5 minutes from the nearest MicroCenter. If they are out, Amazon is my second choice. Prime shipping is amazing.

I picked up a AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 to have some Sata 3 ports. What you goons think: 6 drive RaidZ2, Raidz1, or 3 sets of vdev mirrors?

# ? May 18, 2013 22:45

Pudgygiant: Apr 8, 2004; Worth it

I've had 9 reds running for about a year now in the harshest environment possible, and the only issue I had was when a retard thought rocking a NAS with his foot was a good idea and it killed a drive.

Of course they were all from Amazon though

# ? May 19, 2013 01:32

Kreeblah: May 17, 2004; INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE

NAS4Free posted:

pre:

  pool: AllDisksPool
 state: ONLINE
  scan: none requested
config:

	NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
	AllDisksPool  ONLINE       0     0     0
	  raidz1-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
	    ada0    ONLINE       0     0     0
	    ada1    ONLINE       0     0     0
	    ada2    ONLINE       0     0     0
	    ada3    ONLINE       0     0     0
	    ada4    ONLINE       0     0     0

errors: No known data errors

Total: 13.6T | Used: 113G | Free: 10.6T | State: ONLINE

# ? May 19, 2013 01:53

Master Stur: Jun 13, 2008; Rush'n Attack: Ex-Patriot

kill your idols posted:

With all the horror stories, I refuse to buy anything that spins from Newegg. I'm lucky enough to be 5 minutes from the nearest MicroCenter. If they are out, Amazon is my second choice. Prime shipping is amazing.

I picked up a AOC-SAS2LP-MV8 to have some Sata 3 ports. What you goons think: 6 drive RaidZ2, Raidz1, or 3 sets of vdev mirrors?

I definitely wouldn't use Raidz1 with an even number of disks. If you want good enough redundancy and scads of disk then stick with Raidz2, but I am fairly sure 3x2 vdev mirrors will give better read performance (I think, not an expert) and redundancy but you lose more disk space. So it'll depend what your priorities are really!

# ? May 19, 2013 17:15

necrobobsledder: Mar 21, 2005; Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

I got two reds off of Amazon and they're fine. I've ordered only one or two from Newegg but have ordered from basically anyone else. Got like 4 WD20EARS drives from Dell a few years ago when they hit about $100 each then.

I think WD is going to have to send a representative to Newegg warehouses to determine wtf they're doing to them eventually.

# ? May 19, 2013 17:42

Silver95280: May 16, 2007; Why?

Any recommendations on a cheapish 2-4 TB NAS that I can run Time Machine backups to?

# ? May 20, 2013 01:27

kill your idols: Sep 11, 2003; couldn't find a better way to lie

Silver95280 posted:

Any recommendations on a cheapish 2-4 TB NAS that I can run Time Machine backups to?

Synology DS212j or DS112j and WD Red's. Should come under $400 shipped from Amazon for the 1-Bay unit. I've had the DS112j, DS212j, and DS713+; all have been great pieces of hardware. The GUI is straight forward and set and forget.

HOWTO: http://www.synology.com/us/solution...ime_machine.php

# ? May 20, 2013 03:05

tarepanda: Mar 25, 2011

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

That's what I don't understand. I've handled hundreds of Reds over the last year and never seen failure rates like what people are getting here. I honestly believe that the Reds are the best drive WD has put out in years. It's just alarming to see so many issues here.

It's probably confirmation bias here. Between the Reds my friends and I have gotten, I know at least 16 that WEREN'T DOA.

# ? May 20, 2013 03:08

Civil: Apr 21, 2003; Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

kill your idols posted:

Synology DS212j or DS112j and WD Red's. Should come under $400 shipped from Amazon for the 1-Bay unit. I've had the DS112j, DS212j, and DS713+; all have been great pieces of hardware. The GUI is straight forward and set and forget.

HOWTO: http://www.synology.com/us/solution...ime_machine.php

Such a solid unit. Someone asked me to set up a "server" for them, and I went with a DS212j and a couple 3TB reds for them. After using a few other nas appliances in the past, the Synology unit was worlds ahead in all aspects.

Rolling your own seems to be the popular option in this thread, but for nas appliances, Synology is amazing. Great balance of ease of use and tons of features.

# ? May 20, 2013 15:53

sanchez: Feb 26, 2003

The synology web interface really is something, it's a whole different world when compared to iomega etc.

# ? May 20, 2013 18:32

kill your idols: Sep 11, 2003; couldn't find a better way to lie

Civil posted:

Synology is amazing. Great balance of ease of use and tons of features.

I like the fact they offer a demo of the web interface on their site. Geting to play with it before buying is a major plus. I really would like to see all the role-your-own options offer something similar. They could just get a VM up and running somewhere on their servers and allow demo access.

My HBA is on a UPS truck today for delivery. I think im going to go 2 raidz vdevs of 4 disks each. I lose 2 drives of space as with raidz2 but might gain some performance with the mirror/stripping.

edit: Installing Ringtail now.. Oh the smell of new hardware.

kill your idols fucked around with this message at May 20, 2013 around 20:21

# ? May 20, 2013 19:16

Megaman: May 8, 2004; Thanks mods, peace. Still, this guy Megaloman is kind of a "special helmets" retard case, no?

I have to chime in on synology. I had a 15xx+, it was drat amazing, of course until it started randomly rebooting from what looked like a power issue. I then broke down and bought 7 drives and put them into 2 supermicro 5 slot bays and loaded up freenas via usb on a poo poo computer, I now have a raid z3 of my dreams backed up to a n54l 5 disk raid z1 and 2 offsite 2tb greens

# ? May 20, 2013 19:23

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

tarepanda posted:

It's probably confirmation bias here. Between the Reds my friends and I have gotten, I know at least 16 that WEREN'T DOA.

Did they come from Newegg?

# ? May 21, 2013 20:59

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# ? May 22, 2013 03:03

tarepanda: Mar 25, 2011

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Did they come from Newegg?

Only two of them did, so I guess if you're specifically looking at Newegg it's not really significant at all.

# ? May 21, 2013 23:47

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