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SamDabbers posted:It's a bit more expensive than an on-sale N54L, but the Gen 8 Microserver should be able to transcode easily since the processors are of the Ivy Bridge family. I'd get the less expensive "Celeron" version. The only differences between the G1610T and the G2020T are 200MHz clock and a megabyte of L2 cache, which shouldn't make a significant difference for NAS-type tasks.
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DNova posted:What is the current consensus on WD Greens or Blues for storage array use? Specifically, ZFS under FreeNAS.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Spend a few bucks more for Reds. Yeah, they're $15 more per drive here and this is already getting a little costly, but alright. Thanks.
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The gen8 does look good but I'm wondering if it can double as a htpc respectably? The wife/girlfriend acceptability factor is an issue too
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I am wanting to replace my old drobo before it fails. I am currently looking at the N54L (or something along those lines) or a Synology. I am bit confused on the Synology with all the different models that they have. Is there a specific model that is recommended? I am looking at something that will have 4 drives and will primarily used to store/backup photos and probably videos. I am assuming that Synology does not support ZFS is this that much of an issue? Is setting up FreeNAS or equivalent that difficult?
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Dread Head posted:I am assuming that Synology does not support ZFS is this that much of an issue? Is setting up FreeNAS or equivalent that difficult? Correct that Synology does not support ZFS. It's an issue if you want ZFS. Setting up FreeNAS is a bit involved but it's not difficult. Now I have a question: Should I get 2x4gb DIMMs for my N54l and get the benefit of dual channel or get 1x8gb DIMM so I can keep the included 2gb and have a total of 10gb?
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DNova posted:Correct that Synology does not support ZFS. It's an issue if you want ZFS. Setting up FreeNAS is a bit involved but it's not difficult. Is ZFS something important enough that I should be looking at things that do support it or is something say from Synology going to be ok? I assume that if I am wanting to use ZFS in a N54l then I will need more than the standard 2GB of RAM? Edit: realized I have an i5 + mobo that I am not using. I guess this would also be an option for freeNAS assuming the hardware comparability is ok. Dread Head fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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Dread Head posted:Is ZFS something important enough that I should be looking at things that do support it or is something say from Synology going to be ok? I assume that if I am wanting to use ZFS in a N54l then I will need more than the standard 2GB of RAM? If you are worried about silent corruption/bitrot then ZFS is the way to go. There is debate about how much ram you need without deduplication for ZFS, but in my opinion you should have more than you need, and 8gb is probably the starting point. I'd also recommend ECC RAM. Synology is really nice. I like their stuff, but for multiple disks their boxes are really expensive and their RAID implementations will not be nearly as robust as ZFS for protecting your data. You also need a good backup strategy no matter what you decide on.
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DNova posted:There is debate about how much ram you need without deduplication for ZFS, but in my opinion you should have more than you need, and 8gb is probably the starting point. I'd also recommend ECC RAM. As for ECC, it can't be stated enough that ZFS is built specifically with ECC in mind and non-ECC will fail to protect you from certain types of dataloss. Incidentally, Aaron Toponces series of articles should be required reading for anyone running zfs. Anyone following this thread for long enough will have seen me link some of the article several times (for example, he actually explains how the raidz parity works). EDIT: Had to find a link from my bookmarks. ↓: They're wrong and (will) have nothing but lost data for their troubles insisting they're right. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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^ ^ Would you recommend I go with 2x4gb in dual channel or 10gb in single channel?D. Ebdrup posted:There's no debate. 1GB/1TB is the common recommmendation when you're not running deduplication (and unless you know specifically that you'll benefit from it, you don't need it - because among other things it consumes at least 5GB/TB, so you better have an Xeon E5 or similar). Moreover, zfs - without sysctl tweaks, will consume all but 1GB of your systems memory for ARC if you have more than the recommended memory. I'm with you, but there are a lot of people who disagree and will run it with much less. And then complain that it's unstable and slow... sleepy gary fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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DNova posted:If you are worried about silent corruption/bitrot then ZFS is the way to go. There is debate about how much ram you need without deduplication for ZFS, but in my opinion you should have more than you need, and 8gb is probably the starting point. I'd also recommend ECC RAM. Yeah, I am trying to figure out the best back strategy. Right now I mirror stuff to my drobo and make periodic backups to usb drives. I am thinking adding synology/other nas and use the drobo more for back ups. Seems like there a bunch of options with pros/cons and trying to decide on which is best. I don't really want to spend a bunch of time having to do server admin stuff as that reminds me of work too much but I don't mind a bit of effort to get things going. Synology really appeals to me in that I basically throw some drives in and plug it in...
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D. Ebdrup posted:There's no debate. 1GB/1TB + enough for your OS is the common recommmendation when you're not running deduplication (and unless you know specifically that you'll benefit from it, you don't need it - because among other things it consumes at least 5GB/TB, so you better have an Xeon E5 or similar). Moreover, zfs - without sysctl tweaks, will consume 7/8s of your systems memory for ARC if you have more than the recommended memory). So you're saying if you don't run 1GB ram/1TB disk space you're going to lose data?
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Longinus00 posted:So you're saying if you don't run 1GB ram/1TB disk space you're going to lose data? There's always the potential for data loss, as the article linked above goes into - but ECC is meant to counteract some of potential that with an added layer of parity for memory.
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Jan 25, 2014 22:36
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Longinus00 posted:So you're saying if you don't run 1GB ram/1TB disk space you're going to lose data? If you run less than 1GB/TB you're much more likely to have performance and potentially stability issues running ZFS. It'll certainly run, but you're likely to get a fairly sub-optimal experience out of it.
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Picked up a UPS (which I should've bought ages ago, but there you are) and Synology DS414 today. Going to play around with it a bit for a full on commitment with new HDs.
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DNova posted:Correct that Synology does not support ZFS. It's an issue if you want ZFS. Setting up FreeNAS is a bit involved but it's not difficult. I would argue that FreeNAS is just as "difficult" as setting up a synology. It's point and click for everything. Click make a volume. Click disks you want to be in your volume. Click what kind of RAID you want. Type the name of your volume. Click share the volume with whatever service. It's literally as simple as that pretty much, same with synology.
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DNova posted:Yeah, they're $15 more per drive here and this is already getting a little costly, but alright. Thanks. That's about the same difference I've seen most places. $15/drive extra isn't much if you value your data.
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Jan 25, 2014 22:58
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DNova posted:Yeah, they're $15 more per drive here and this is already getting a little costly, but alright. Thanks. You could probably get away with Blues without issue but Greens are very much in the gently caress No. category for this application.
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Megaman posted:I would argue that FreeNAS is just as "difficult" as setting up a synology. It's point and click for everything. Click make a volume. Click disks you want to be in your volume. Click what kind of RAID you want. Type the name of your volume. Click share the volume with whatever service. It's literally as simple as that pretty much, same with synology. The above seems a bit complicated to read so here's a quick diagram of sorts: / is zfs, of course /home/user has lz4 compression /home/user/media has no compression because media is already compressed (zfs will apparently leave data such as multimedia files alone even if they're put on a compressed dataset) /home/user/archive has gzip level 5+ compression /backup has 3 copies and lz4 compression and stores userdata from other machines which dont have redundant storage + system folders Instead of going ESXi like I planned for my new server, I may as well follow the progression of hardware (from consumer to enterprise) with a progression of software (from an appliance NAS software to a fully-fledged server OS to do filesharing and gateway/routing/firewall for my home network). BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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Chris Knight posted:That's about the same difference I've seen most places. $15/drive extra isn't much if you value your data. This is a specious argument. I'm buying four times more raw capacity than I need and practice rigorous backups because I value my data.
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DNova posted:This is a specious argument. I'm buying four times more raw capacity than I need and practice rigorous backups because I value my data. Look at it this way: if nothing else, you're paying $15 to get an extra year of warranty. That said, I bought a 4 TB Green for cold backup, but that's quite a bit different from using a Green in an array. I hope...  No but seriously I plan on having multiple backups anyway and am gonna build a NAS after I move.
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Avenging Dentist posted:Look at it this way: if nothing else, you're paying $15 to get an extra year of warranty. Yeah the warranty plus not having to worry about aggressive head parking plus the sex parrot's recommendation was enough to convince me. sleepy gary fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jan 26, 2014 |
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You can at least disable the aggressive head parking on the greens.
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I'm finally getting around to actually setting up my Synology DS212j NAS to replace my failing WHS (first edition, not the newer one). I've figured out user accounts and shared folders. My next issues is to figure out backups. What are good (free) backup tools? I've got a mix of Windows 7 Home Premium/Pro/Ultimate and Windows 8.1 (non-pro) machines. Is the Synology Data Replicator 3 software any good at all, or is there some way to duplicate WHS' backup behavior? I'd just try to use Windows' own backup stuff, but the Home Premium computer can't directly save to network locations. And I have no idea whatsoever about the Windows 8 stuff. Any suggestions would be very welcome.
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Don Lapre posted:You can at least disable the aggressive head parking on the greens. Huh? I thought WD removed that ability from the Greens years ago, when they realized people were buying them for RAID arrays instead of WD-REs.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Huh? I thought WD removed that ability from the Greens years ago, when they realized people were buying them for RAID arrays instead of WD-REs. You can still disable head parking. you cannot Enable TLER anymore.
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QNAP chat: didn't see any mention of this back to November. QNAP HS-210 2-bay Fanless Quiet NAS, Home Media Storage Center http://www.amazon.com/QNAP-HS-210-Fanless-Storage-Supported/dp/B00H3VBKBM/ Looks tempting but I've never owned a QNAP. Reviews are not plentiful. I'd either use it as a dedicated NAS or possibly replace my HTPC if I can get all my apps to run, including Plex Media Server. My main concern is noise. I have looked at the HP Microserver a dozen times but the noise is a dealbreaker. I had a Netgear in my living room for a few weeks but had to junk it because it was stupidly loud.
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Stugazi posted:QNAP chat: didn't see any mention of this back to November. Put it in a closet
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Even with a fanless computer you'll hear a drive spinning if it's quiet enough. It's easier if you can relocate it.
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What's the market for WD blues anyway? Green is for poors, black is for less than SSD speed but more than SSD storage, red is for NAS, RE is for enterprise, but I don't get where blues fit into that.
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Pudgygiant posted:What's the market for WD blues anyway? Green is for poors, black is for less than SSD speed but more than SSD storage, red is for NAS, RE is for enterprise, but I don't get where blues fit into that. Blue is just their jack-of-all-trades drive for people who don't really know or care, and the one you're likely to find in OEM machines.
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Stugazi posted:My main concern is noise. I have looked at the HP Microserver a dozen times but the noise is a dealbreaker. I had a Netgear in my living room for a few weeks but had to junk it because it was stupidly loud. I built an 8 drive setup with an N54L and an eSATA enclosure for around $280 during sales, and it is definitely not loud at all. The loudest part is when all 8 drives are seeking.
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Based on some feedback in this very thread I picked up my new NAS/ESXi server yesterday. It's based around a Supermicro X10SL7-F, an E1230v3, 32GB of ECC RAM, a bunch of WD Reds, an internal USB stick for ESXi and an SSD for the datastores. Installing it went extremely smoothly. Having IPMI support to essentially remote desktop into the server is really convenient. You can even mount ISOs directly, so I could install ESXi like that. The only glitch I came across is that the Noctua fans were actually spinning too slowly, so the IPMI firmware thought they were broken and periodically turned on the other system fans at full throttle. Thankfully, through ipmiutil.exe I was able to change those thresholds. They're whisperquiet now. I installed FreeNAS as one virtual machine, passthroughed (that's a word) the WD disks since I connected them all to the LSI controller, and it's working great. I would've loved the thing to be Mini-ITX, but sadly it's still quite hard to find the appropriate hardware. Oh well. Thanks for the help, all 
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I'm going to be rolling a new NAS this week, with no RAID array, just a few 3TB WD Greens running as independent disks. I've seen Xpenology mentioned a few times in this thread, but no real elabortion on it. We use a Synology unit at my office, and I really like the UI. Anyone care to elaborate on their experience with Xpenology, and possibly more specifically with running multiple single drives?
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eightysixed posted:I'm going to be rolling a new NAS this week, with no RAID array, just a few 3TB WD Greens running as independent disks. I've seen Xpenology mentioned a few times in this thread, but no real elabortion on it. We use a Synology unit at my office, and I really like the UI. Anyone care to elaborate on their experience with Xpenology, and possibly more specifically with running multiple single drives? I use xpenology using an i3, h87i-plus itx motherboard, and 4 red/green wd drives. It works exactly like my actual synology device did except its way faster and has way more memory. I have zero complaints and setup is a 5 minute job. Now obviously you arn't gonna get to use 5.0 until someone does it for you and things, but for me its worth it. As long as you have compatible hardware (the h87i-plus works perfectly and has intel nic) then its pretty straightforward. Im getting 400-500mbps internal writes and it easily saturates gigabit. I can also add 2 more drives before adding a pci-e controller Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jan 26, 2014 |
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I'm planning on doing a home server/NAS build and I'm hoping that you all have some advice on parts. Here's what I'm looking at right now: Case: Lian Li PC-Q25B http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811112339 Motherboard: ASUS H87I-PLUS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813132032 Processor: Intel Core i3-4130T http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819116947 PSU: SILVERSTONE Strider Plus ST50F-P 500W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817256065 Memory: Kingston 16GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820239169 Plus 4x 4TB WD Red drives for the storage array. Right now my plan is to use FreeNAS and for the server to act as a file server, download box, DLNA server, maybe some media transcoding, and potentially a few other things that I feel like messing around with like an OpenVPN server or a Samba AD domain controller. I'll be happy to explain why I chose any of the parts I did. Any thoughts?
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pro con posted:Any thoughts? It doesn't look like your motherboard supports ECC memory, which I'm assuming is important since you're running FreeNAS and have an ECC compatible processor and RAM.
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Coxswain Balls posted:It doesn't look like your motherboard supports ECC memory, which I'm assuming is important since you're running FreeNAS and have an ECC compatible processor and RAM.  You're right, it looks like it doesn't. Any suggestions on a replacement board as close to that one specs wise + ECC?
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