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senrath posted:You could just, y'know, watch the embedded video. Ah, so yes, I was missing something. Like flash, probably. (I saved the link on my commute this morning to watch at work, and there was no embedded video visible on my work machine)
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Somehow I have a feeling that paying 50-100% more than Google (while the conspiracy to suppress wages was still in effect) and being able to extend a job offer in less time than it takes Google to reply to an internal referral played bigger roles in getting high-quality candidates than anything else.
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:Eh...I've seen and experienced very major issues with Facebook's hiring practices. Oh sure, I have too; it's definitely imperfect. I don't think I'd trade for the practices anywhere else I've worked, though, even the places where I set those practices.
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Plorkyeran posted:Somehow I have a feeling that paying 50-100% more than Google (while the conspiracy to suppress wages was still in effect) and being able to extend a job offer in less time than it takes Google to reply to an internal referral played bigger roles in getting high-quality candidates than anything else. Don't want to go into too much detail about comp strategy, but I don't think I've ever encountered a case where we were offering that sort of premium, though if you include equity then the math is impossible. Google generally has a reputation for offering the top cash in the valley over the last ~4-5 years, and I haven't seen evidence to the contrary. Not that engineers at either company have cause for comp complaint either way; it's fantasy land these days.
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Subjunctive posted:Don't want to go into too much detail about comp strategy, but I don't think I've ever encountered a case where we were offering that sort of premium, though if you include equity then the math is impossible. Google generally has a reputation for offering the top cash in the valley over the last ~4-5 years, and I haven't seen evidence to the contrary. This was mostly during the poaching days of 2010, if memory serves. Before your time at Facebook; after my first time*. I don't recall any specific details, but I do know that Facebook was targeting key hires from Google with very lucrative packages, leading Google to start offering much better packages to retain employees. * It's entirely possible that my information from this time is incorrect, but I don't think it is.
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:This was mostly during the poaching days of 2010, if memory serves. Before your time at Facebook; after my first time*. I don't recall any specific details, but I do know that Facebook was targeting key hires from Google with very lucrative packages, leading Google to start offering much better packages to retain employees. Oh, duh, sorry. I was thinking of the two-competing-offers case, not the poaching case. Yeah, that was a weird time, Google was making similarly outsized offers to my team at Mozilla in that era as well. (Unsolicited offer letters, no interview. Loco.) I don't understand why Google would ever have let itself be outspent on comp, though, given their war chest. Sort of weird.
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How much we're talking about here?
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Subjunctive posted:Not that engineers at either company have cause for comp complaint either way; it's fantasy land these days.
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JawnV6 posted:This is a terrible line of thinking. Especially in light of documented wage fixing. Having waffles for breakfast nearly every morning, an in-building coffee shop with baristas who do pour overs, a competent help desk, the assumption that a new coworker will be competent, HR and legal departments with a sense of humor and proportion, and generally being treated as a grown up is pretty nice. You can take the mercenary BFC approach of "more money = always more better" but I'm extremely happy at Google, even though someplace like Bloomberg would probably pay much better. The salary fixing thing is an issue, but there are reasons to work somewhere that aren't just financial.
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# ? Aug 20, 2014 14:47 |
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Just imagine how much more ridiculous those benefits would be if your employer was a member of an illegal cartel.
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hobbesmaster posted:Just imagine how much more ridiculous those benefits would be if your employer was a member of an illegal cartel. Hey, if I could trust Pablo not to put the payload up his nose, I would appreciate that in the guy who hired him. The point I'm making is that I'm still happy working there instead of a place that might pay more, because there are intangible benefits, not that I want my salary suppressed because I'm a big dumb fanboy.
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Volmarias posted:The salary fixing thing is an issue, but there are reasons to work somewhere that aren't just financial. Jawn is a startup employee so he probably knows that...
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Skiant posted:
This is from a PUA website, right?
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Skiant posted:
That's a good combination of "I know you have to check a pointer before you dereference it" and "I have no idea that shortcut logic operators exist."
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quote:If we now divide the number of comments in a subreddit containing a chosen word by the overall subreddit comment count (and multiply by 10000 to have a nice integer value), we get more ... well, diagrams. https://github.com/Dobiasd/programming-language-subreddits-and-their-choice-of-words
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JawnV6 posted:This is a terrible line of thinking. Especially in light of documented wage fixing. Well, there was no wage fixing at my company, but mostly when I compare my compensation (well beyond salary) to that awarded to others who work as hard as I do for at least as much social gain, it's hard to feel too hard-done-by. I'm crazy lucky.
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Paul MaudDib posted:
Looks like an inverted chart of "what programming language should I choose first" answers
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down with slavery posted:Looks like an inverted chart of "what programming language should I choose first" answers Does that mean you want to work in Visual Basic and mathematica?
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down with slavery posted:Looks like an inverted chart of "what programming language should I choose first" answers Lisp
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Volmarias posted:Having waffles for breakfast nearly every morning, an in-building coffee shop with baristas who do pour overs, a competent help desk, the assumption that a new coworker will be competent, HR and legal departments with a sense of humor and proportion, and generally being treated as a grown up is pretty nice. You can take the mercenary BFC approach of "more money = always more better" but I'm extremely happy at Google, even though someplace like Bloomberg would probably pay much better. You left out the freaking slide and ball pit!
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Zopotantor posted:Lisp I'm surprised by the helpful part, does it also match unhelpful?
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Beef posted:I'm surprised by the helpful part, does it also match unhelpful?
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# ? Aug 20, 2014 18:17 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:
Is there a rule against swearing on the mathematica forum? How come 'gently caress' and 'poo poo' don't show up at all?
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Volmarias posted:Having waffles for breakfast nearly every morning, an in-building coffee shop with baristas who do pour overs, a competent help desk, the assumption that a new coworker will be competent, HR and legal departments with a sense of humor and proportion, and generally being treated as a grown up is pretty nice. You can take the mercenary BFC approach of "more money = always more better" but I'm extremely happy at Google, even though someplace like Bloomberg would probably pay much better. Trust me, I've had these same thoughts. I'm aware that I'm very well compensated in a relative sense. However, given the meek CS stereotype I think it's dangerous to broadcast the message of "settle for less because other fields are worse off." Cutting your fellow software engineers off at the knee and giving the profits over to MBA's who weren't interviewing day laborers for the same position anyway. The larger context of wages against real productivity flatlining since the 70's trumps the relativity. Subjunctive posted:Well, there was no wage fixing at my company, but mostly when I compare my compensation (well beyond salary) to that awarded to others who work as hard as I do for at least as much social gain, it's hard to feel too hard-done-by. I'm crazy lucky.
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FoiledAgain posted:Is there a rule against swearing on the mathematica forum? How come 'gently caress' and 'poo poo' don't show up at all? Lower-traffic boards have very different post profiles. I would guess that the mathematica forum is probably far more slanted towards news/views posting over help requests. Also, the user base of a scientific package like mathematica is going to be very different from a general programming language.
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Dessert Rose posted:Fundamental to C-family languages. Well, except C. And, indeed, Java (to start with and the way they've shoehorned it in is pretty much an afterthought), Objective C, and even early C++.
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JawnV6 posted:Christ alive. There's a bit of space between "personal pour-over barista" and "mercenary BFC more money" and pretending that it's a binary choice doesn't help anyone. More importantly, why does one need a barista to make pour-over coffee for you
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Everyone's about the free food at Google but honestly it sounds like as good of a deal as a college meal plan, perhaps with better food. If you make more money, you can purchase breakfast at whichever trendy waffle shop you prefer. It sounds like the perks that Google is really offering is convenience, as well as subtlely trying to encourage everyone to work longer hours. Again, sounds kind of like undergrad. That might be great if you're an early 20-something and want to extend that lifestyle. But if you're a little older, have family, or just want to socialize outside work, those conveniences are less meaningful. Most other institutions (certainly the ones worth working for) also feature competent coworkers and to-help-you internal resource departments, those are hardly unique.
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# ? Aug 20, 2014 19:55 |
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Hughlander posted:Does that mean you want to work in Visual Basic and mathematica?
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# ? Aug 20, 2014 20:18 |
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Zopotantor posted:No, that's this one: Not pictured: useful, productive, easy.
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# ? Aug 20, 2014 21:10 |
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Brb writing a responsive website in SQL
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# ? Aug 20, 2014 21:28 |
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Maybe you should look into this hot new framework.
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# ? Aug 20, 2014 21:31 |
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needs more orange
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ExcessBLarg! posted:It sounds like the perks that Google is really offering is convenience, as well as subtlely trying to encourage everyone to work longer hours. That's always been my understanding of the calculus in offering big "lifestyle" perks. The free food and ballpit are there to keep you from caving to your human needs while you're pulling long hours at a desk.
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# ? Aug 20, 2014 22:08 |
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Internet Janitor posted:Maybe you should look into this hot new framework. I think I'm going to unironically try building this as a gag.
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# ? Aug 20, 2014 22:10 |
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Internet Janitor posted:Maybe you should look into this hot new framework. This but MongoloidDB.
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PrBacterio posted:For its intended area of application, I find Mathematica is actually pretty good? It depends on what you believe Mathematica's intended area of application is Same could be said for Matlab, too, but tons of people use these platforms for some horrendous poo poo
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Westie posted:This but MongoloidDB. I knew it couldn't have anything to do with the word "humongous."
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