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Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Dropping a new JIT onto 4.5.2 apps is ridiculous. I can't believe they did that.

# ? Jul 28, 2015 16:28

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 09:41

New Yorp New Yorp: Jul 18, 2003; Only in Kenya.; Pillbug

Subjunctive posted:

Dropping a new JIT onto 4.5.2 apps is ridiculous. I can't believe they did that.

I never understood the rationale behind .NET 4.x>0 being a replacement for all versions of .NET 4.x-n. It tends to scare folks off of even installing .NET 4.x>0, for good reasons.

# ? Jul 28, 2015 16:33

brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

.NET 4.6 was officially released 8 days ago so actually there's no need to trip all over yourselves to upgrade to it before they fix this bug. You can't even use it on Azure yet.

The JIT causes the wrong values to get passed to methods under specific circumstances. That is a very insidious bug.

If your system is important, the new version doesn't even have to have known severe bugs for it to be a good idea to wait for a bit! Seriously.

# ? Jul 28, 2015 16:40

Hiowf: Jun 28, 2013; We don't do .DOC in my cave.

fleshweasel posted:

If your system is important, the new version doesn't even have to have known severe bugs for it to be a good idea to wait for a bit! Seriously.

This I can fully get behind.

# ? Jul 28, 2015 16:41

LOOK I AM A TURTLE: May 22, 2003; "I'm actually a tortoise."; Grimey Drawer

fleshweasel posted:

.NET 4.6 was officially released 8 days ago so actually there's no need to trip all over yourselves to upgrade to it before they fix this bug. You can't even use it on Azure yet.

The JIT causes the wrong values to get passed to methods under specific circumstances. That is a very insidious bug.

If your system is important, the new version doesn't even have to have known severe bugs for it to be a good idea to wait for a bit! Seriously.

The most interesting part of this is that Windows 10 is due to be released tomorrow, and I believe it will include this broken 4.6 version of the runtime by default. I guess they'll patch it pretty quickly though.

# ? Jul 28, 2015 16:59

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Ithaqua posted:

I never understood the rationale behind .NET 4.x>0 being a replacement for all versions of .NET 4.x-n. It tends to scare folks off of even installing .NET 4.x>0, for good reasons.

It avoids people needing to install 15 versions of .NET 4.x in order to run all their apps.

# ? Jul 28, 2015 17:50

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Subjunctive posted:

I guarantee that there are SDETs in Redmond

wrong!

# ? Jul 28, 2015 18:06

Gul Banana: Nov 28, 2003

Subjunctive posted:

Dropping a new JIT onto 4.5.2 apps is ridiculous. I can't believe they did that.

looks like ryujit has big enough performance improvements that they wanted to be able to go "hey, we made Everything faster!"

in-place installs are definitely annoying. they don't actually provide full changelogs from release to release, so we find out stuff like "the enumeration of SystemColors used by DataGrid controls has added a new member for deselected-highlight in .NET 4.5, breaking this app written against 4.0 which was attempting to override highlighting" post facto. however, this is what .net core and its sidebyside installs are intended to solve..

# ? Jul 28, 2015 18:12

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Gul Banana posted:

looks like ryujit has big enough performance improvements that they wanted to be able to go "hey, we made Everything faster!"

Sure, so drop the 4.6.1.3 JIT on them, or make it opt-in.

# ? Jul 28, 2015 18:20

Mellow_: Sep 13, 2010

We were talking about ternaries earlier, no?

code:

return new Entry(
                txtID.getText().isEmpty() ? null : Integer.parseInt(txtID.
                getText()),
                txtHomePhone.getText().isEmpty() ? ""
                : Util.stripPhone(txtHomePhone.getText()),
                txtCellPhone.getText().isEmpty() ? ""
                : Util.stripPhone(txtCellPhone.getText()),
                txtAltPhone.getText().isEmpty() ? ""
                : Util.stripPhone(txtAltPhone.getText()),
                txtName.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtName.getText(),
                txtEmail.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtEmail.getText(),
                txtAddress.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtAddress.getText(),
                txtCity.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtCity.getText(),
                dcLastCall.getDate() == null ? null : new java.sql.Date(dcLastCall.
                getDate().getTime()),
                dcPickupDate.getDate() == null ? null : new java.sql.Date(dcPickupDate.
                getDate().getTime()),
                txtDriver.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtDriver.getText(),
                txtNotes.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtNotes.getText());

# ? Jul 28, 2015 22:56

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

AuxPriest posted:

txtDriver.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtDriver.getText()

the ones like that are my favorites. i guess they just did it because they wanted all the lines to look the same, but the dumbness is particularly poignant here

# ? Jul 28, 2015 23:02

New Yorp New Yorp: Jul 18, 2003; Only in Kenya.; Pillbug

Soricidus posted:

the ones like that are my favorites. i guess they just did it because they wanted all the lines to look the same, but the dumbness is particularly poignant here

I've seen the same thing with null coalescing in C#: var foo = SomeMethod() ?? SomeMethod();

The guy that wrote it could not explain his rationale for this and failed code review.

# ? Jul 28, 2015 23:04

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.; Jade Ear Joe

AuxPriest posted:

We were talking about ternaries earlier, no?

code:

return new Entry(
                txtID.getText().isEmpty() ? null : Integer.parseInt(txtID.
                getText()),
                txtHomePhone.getText().isEmpty() ? ""
                : Util.stripPhone(txtHomePhone.getText()),
                txtCellPhone.getText().isEmpty() ? ""
                : Util.stripPhone(txtCellPhone.getText()),
                txtAltPhone.getText().isEmpty() ? ""
                : Util.stripPhone(txtAltPhone.getText()),
                txtName.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtName.getText(),
                txtEmail.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtEmail.getText(),
                txtAddress.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtAddress.getText(),
                txtCity.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtCity.getText(),
                dcLastCall.getDate() == null ? null : new java.sql.Date(dcLastCall.
                getDate().getTime()),
                dcPickupDate.getDate() == null ? null : new java.sql.Date(dcPickupDate.
                getDate().getTime()),
                txtDriver.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtDriver.getText(),
                txtNotes.getText().isEmpty() ? "" : txtNotes.getText());

is it laid out like this in the original? It's full of silliness, but it wouldn't look so bad if it were laid out in a sane manner.

# ? Jul 28, 2015 23:32

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Ithaqua posted:

I've seen the same thing with null coalescing in C#: var foo = SomeMethod() ?? SomeMethod();

The guy that wrote it could not explain his rationale for this and failed code review.

"Are you sure you're not null?"

# ? Jul 28, 2015 23:36

fritz: Jul 26, 2003

Ithaqua posted:

I've seen the same thing with null coalescing in C#: var foo = SomeMethod() ?? SomeMethod();

The guy that wrote it could not explain his rationale for this and failed code review.

I don't know c#, is it possible the function had side effects or internal state and would that make a difference?

# ? Jul 29, 2015 02:55

Newf: Feb 14, 2006; I appreciate hacky sack on a much deeper level than you.

fritz posted:

I don't know c#, is it possible the function had side effects or internal state and would that make a difference?

It's definitely possible but I can't think of any reasonable scenario where it'd be the case.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 03:36

FrantzX: Jan 28, 2007

Newf posted:

It's definitely possible but I can't think of any reasonable scenario where it'd be the case.

An I/O request with a decent chance of failure. Web, serial port, etc.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 03:45

New Yorp New Yorp: Jul 18, 2003; Only in Kenya.; Pillbug

fritz posted:

I don't know c#, is it possible the function had side effects or internal state and would that make a difference?

Definitely possible, also possible in a multithreaded scenario. This wasn't one of those scenarios, though, and even if it were there are much better ways of handling it.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 14:02

my bony fealty: Oct 1, 2008

Not a coding horror exactly but I was talking to an older guy who teaches web design & development at a community college, told him I mostly do JavaScript and PHP since I work with Wordpress, he told me to learn Python because PHP is coded in Python and stands for "Python Hypertext Processor" :confused:

He did also say he's trying to teach his kids node.js and other modern stuff while the rest of the faculty teaches Dreamweaver so maybe his heart is in the right place at least

# ? Jul 29, 2015 15:32

New Yorp New Yorp: Jul 18, 2003; Only in Kenya.; Pillbug

my bony fealty posted:

Not a coding horror exactly but I was talking to an older guy who teaches web design & development at a community college, told him I mostly do JavaScript and PHP since I work with Wordpress, he told me to learn Python because PHP is coded in Python and stands for "Python Hypertext Processor"

He did also say he's trying to teach his kids node.js and other modern stuff while the rest of the faculty teaches Dreamweaver so maybe his heart is in the right place at least

Does he think that node is written in C# and stands for .NET Opensource Development Environment?

# ? Jul 29, 2015 15:35

raminasi: Jan 25, 2005; a last drink with no ice

fritz posted:

I don't know c#, is it possible the function had side effects or internal state and would that make a difference?

That would make it worse.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 16:07

No Safe Word: Feb 26, 2005

my bony fealty posted:

Not a coding horror exactly but I was talking to an older guy who teaches web design & development at a community college, told him I mostly do JavaScript and PHP since I work with Wordpress, he told me to learn Python because PHP is coded in Python and stands for "Python Hypertext Processor"

He did also say he's trying to teach his kids node.js and other modern stuff while the rest of the faculty teaches Dreamweaver so maybe his heart is in the right place at least

I just --- what?

I'm hoping he was just next-level trolling you because otherwise .. what?

# ? Jul 29, 2015 16:47

ExcessBLarg!: Sep 1, 2001

I think he confused Perl with Python. Obviously, PHP is coded in Perl.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 16:50

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

I heard this before, I guess it's some weird disinformation unintentionally caused by PyHP: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyhp/

# ? Jul 29, 2015 16:52

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

ExcessBLarg! posted:

I think he confused Perl with Python. Obviously, PHP is coded in Perl.

No, you have that backwards, Perl is the PHP Engine and Runtime Libraries.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 16:53

Thermopyle: Jul 1, 2003; ...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. �Bertrand Russell

my bony fealty posted:

Not a coding horror exactly but I was talking to an older guy who teaches web design & development at a community college, told him I mostly do JavaScript and PHP since I work with Wordpress, he told me to learn Python because PHP is coded in Python and stands for "Python Hypertext Processor"

He did also say he's trying to teach his kids node.js and other modern stuff while the rest of the faculty teaches Dreamweaver so maybe his heart is in the right place at least

Funnily enough, I've heard the same thing...from a guy who teaches some computery stuff at a community college!

I wonder what the source of this confusion is.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 17:43

Woodsy Owl: Oct 27, 2004

The acronym expansion for PHP is recursive, PHP is Pure Hell. Like Wine.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 18:06

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.; Jade Ear Joe

Woodsy Owl posted:

The acronym expansion for PHP is recursive, PHP is Pure Hell. Like Wine.

no it's Pretty Horrible PHP

# ? Jul 29, 2015 18:20

LOOK I AM A TURTLE: May 22, 2003; "I'm actually a tortoise."; Grimey Drawer

Lisp Is Seriously PHP
APL: PHP, Literally

# ? Jul 29, 2015 18:27

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

PHP: Herpes Personified

# ? Jul 29, 2015 18:30

Pavlov: Oct 21, 2012; I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that

LOOK I AM A TURTLE posted:

APL: PHP, Literally

Man imagine what kind of horrors we'd get if people still used APL. That language is awe-inspiring and terrifying.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 18:34

Linear Zoetrope: Nov 28, 2011; A hero must cook

Don't some people use APL for parallel stuff?

# ? Jul 29, 2015 18:40

Pavlov: Oct 21, 2012; I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that

I'm sure somewhere someone uses it, but I think it's been mostly dead for decades now.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 18:42

piratepilates: Mar 28, 2004; So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it.

Poop Hpoop Poop.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 18:46

Jewel: May 2, 2009

I still refer to this video because it's interestingly separated from how programming is today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4&hd=1

# ? Jul 29, 2015 18:46

Linear Zoetrope: Nov 28, 2011; A hero must cook

Jewel posted:

I still refer to this video because it's interestingly separated from how programming is today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9xAKttWgP4&hd=1

I think I found the program that wins this round of "Game of Life Code Golf" at least.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 18:57

Pavlov: Oct 21, 2012; I've long been fascinated with how the alt-right develops elaborate and obscure dog whistles to try to communicate their meaning without having to say it out loud
Stepan Andreyevich Bandera being the most prominent example of that

From another of his videos, here is the code for a sudoku solver:

# ? Jul 29, 2015 19:11

Blotto Skorzany: Nov 7, 2008; He's a PSoC, loose and runnin'
came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with
the bad ADC on his chip
bad ADC on his chiiiiip

Pavlov posted:

From another of his videos, here is the code for a sudoku solver:

Lol spot the howler of a bug on line 8

# ? Jul 29, 2015 19:20

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

Woodsy Owl posted:

The acronym expansion for PHP is recursive, PHP is Pure Hell. Like Wine.

yeah but what does PPH stand for

# ? Jul 29, 2015 19:39

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 09:41

Linear Zoetrope: Nov 28, 2011; A hero must cook

Suspicious Dish posted:

yeah but what does PPH stand for

PPH stands for Hell is Pure PHP

# ? Jul 29, 2015 19:49

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