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Question: Is all the .30-06 ammo on from CMP pretty much the same? Should I be looking at anything in particular for it?
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 02:27 |
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| # ? May 22, 2013 01:16 |
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Pitch posted:I've read that they're actually better than originals. Aside from the flawless finish, the only way to tell they're fakes is that they're made of modern steel that wasn't actually invented when the originals were made. I'd kill a dumpsterload of babies to own a civil war era c96
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 02:35 |
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Gwamp posted:For those of you with K-31's and thinking about putting a scope on them, there is another route you might consider. You can always put a diopter style sight on them. Diopters are good to 300 yards plus with practice and are an interesting alternative to a scope. St. Marie makes a modern version for ~$300 or you can find Swiss made versions on Ebay for ~$325-400 depending on the variety. Most of the diopters are clamp on and non destructive-all though I have seen some that are weld on only. Those versions seem to be pretty uncommon though. I picked up a Swiss made W+F Diopter for my target K-31 and I like it a lot. Is that a clamp-on bipod? If it is, where'd you get it. Also, I noticed this on my K31 the other day. You can see this well in the last picture; what's the little rod that comes out under the barrel that's sorta ? or L shaped? Also, I know it was mentioned here, but search is down and I've looked through the thread. Mosin headspace gauges. I need a field and no-go from what I remember; what's a reputable place to buy these?
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 02:37 |
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QuarkMartial posted:Is that a clamp-on bipod? If it is, where'd you get it. Also, I noticed this on my K31 the other day. You can see this well in the last picture; what's the little rod that comes out under the barrel that's sorta ? or L shaped? The bipod is clamp on. I got mine from Graf and sons. With my C&R discount, they are $58.99 and they pay for shipping.
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 02:43 |
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QuarkMartial posted:Is that a clamp-on bipod? If it is, where'd you get it. Also, I noticed this on my K31 the other day. You can see this well in the last picture; what's the little rod that comes out under the barrel that's sorta ? or L shaped? I believe it was to hook them together with each other and do those little pyramid things where 3 or 4 lean up against each other. I'm repeating something I saw on the internet, so take it with a grain of salt.
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 03:23 |
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Has anybody fired a round with a split brass case out of a mosin nagant? If so did it cause you or the rifle any damage? I ask because I almost made that mistake this past week. Normally I check my surplus 7.62x54R ammo before I load, on this particular occasion however I did not. Luckily I happened to look down as I was chambering the round and noticed something funny about it. I kicked it back out and sure enough there was a split in the casing starting at the neck and working it's way down about an inch or so. I the bullet itself actually fell out of the casing when i picked it up off the ground. It goes without saying I won't make this mistake again, but I'm morbidly curious. What exactly would have happened if I the round would have been turned 90 degree's and I wouldn't have caught it? Would there have been any physical harm? Or would I just be out buying a new pair of shorts right now?
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 05:02 |
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I inspect every round I before I load them into my rifles and pistols. Mostly because of the need to load them manually onto stripper clips or into the magazine out of a box, but also because of the crappy WWB 9mm that gave me some weird rear end deformed bullet that caused my Hi-Power to jam.
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 05:16 |
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Sturdy posted:Has anybody fired a round with a split brass case out of a mosin nagant? I've never fired anything with that much of a crack in it, and would never try it. Some of my older surplus ammo has some minor fracturing on the necks but I avoid that too. I thought I may have fired one once when I notice a sizable split in a spent case running from the neck to just over half an inch down. Then I noticed it happened again on a new production cartridge. I took a crappy picture of them at the time, but I don't know what caused it. 
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 13:41 |
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Illegal Clown posted:I've never fired anything with that much of a crack in it, and would never try it. Some of my older surplus ammo has some minor fracturing on the necks but I avoid that too. I thought I may have fired one once when I notice a sizable split in a spent case running from the neck to just over half an inch down. Then I noticed it happened again on a new production cartridge. I took a crappy picture of them at the time, but I don't know what caused it. Yeah, Like I said I normally look them over before I load, but I got lazy seeing how I haven't had a problem with them yet. So far I've only had 1 out of the 300 that didn't fire. But from now on I'll inspect like crazy. So far I'm madly inlove with my Mosin. This is the first Milsurp rifle I've ever owned. I'm afraid it's slowly becoming and obsession. Most of the rifles I look at now are milsurp. I'd love to get my hands on a K-31 especially since there aren't gonna be anymore, but I don't have the money to drop on it right now. I've got a friend who's inherited a Enfield from his grandad. We haven't shot that yet, but I can't wait. I'd absolutely love to get my hands on a K98 and a Springfield 1903. And of course the Garand and M1 carbine. So basically long story short I'm either gonna start playing the lottery or take up a second job. Rent, food and gas be damned I need more rifles. I was ludicrously close to picking up the nagant revolver, but the lack of ammunition was kind of a turn off. Not saying I'll never get one, just saying that my funds were tight and I wanted something I could fire regularly
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 18:20 |
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I just picked up a Mosin and it is my first Milsurp. I have cleaned it and all that jazz, but I need the low down on getting ammo at a decent price. I live in California so I am sure there are special rules for getting it here. Anyone able to give me a quick run down on the best way to feed my new friend?
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 18:29 |
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DevNull posted:I just picked up a Mosin and it is my first Milsurp. I have cleaned it and all that jazz, but I need the low down on getting ammo at a decent price. I live in California so I am sure there are special rules for getting it here. Anyone able to give me a quick run down on the best way to feed my new friend? I normally buy my surplus ammo from two places. One is the local hunting store where I bought it, the other is JG. http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/am...54r/cPath/12_42 I've fired Bulgarian ammmo from the 80's and Hungarian ammo from the 50's all with no problems (minus one failure to fire and one cracked case). If you want newer ammo Try JG or Cheaper than dirt http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/defenseh_cgb.htm As far as new production ammo I've used Wolf, overall I was impressed with it. Barring all of that try, http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinLinks.htm They have links to people who sell ammo online. Hope this helps
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 18:39 |
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Sturdy posted:I normally buy my surplus ammo from two places. One is the local hunting store where I bought it, the other is JG. http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/am...54r/cPath/12_42 The links are good, but mostly I am wondering about California and any stupid laws they may have. It looks like I can just have it shipped to my house as long as I can be there to sign for it. Looks like I will have to order a large crate and just take a morning to work from home to be there to sign.
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 18:48 |
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Some heads up on some surplus 7.62x54R: Avoid the ammo with a Star on the head stamp and the number 45 opposite said mark. I know my sample set of only two rounds of this particular ammo, but both times I used it it blew right the gently caress up, resulting in this:  The cases were all somewhat corroded, but looked good enough to shoot. The only reason I shot it a second time was because it looks very similar to some Bulgarian ammo from 82, which happens to be amazingly good ammo.
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 19:00 |
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DevNull posted:The links are good, but mostly I am wondering about California and any stupid laws they may have. It looks like I can just have it shipped to my house as long as I can be there to sign for it. Looks like I will have to order a large crate and just take a morning to work from home to be there to sign. Make sure that if you're shooting at a range your range allows you to shoot bullets with steel in them. If not I recommend getting some Yugoslavian 7.62x54r from here. http://www.dansammo.com/ammo.asp
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 20:42 |
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My power went out yesterday so I've decided to post two pieces of milsurp today to make up for it. Antiques can be Milsurp Too!     Springfield Model 1884 Trapdoor Carbine in .45-70 rear end kicking awesome. Milsurp only Mother England Could Love    My grandpappy's SMLE No1 Mk4 in .303 Underpowered.
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 20:42 |
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DevNull posted:The links are good, but mostly I am wondering about California and any stupid laws they may have. It looks like I can just have it shipped to my house as long as I can be there to sign for it. Looks like I will have to order a large crate and just take a morning to work from home to be there to sign. I don't remember with the ammo from JG, but with cheaperthandirt the package is always waiting on me at my doorstep when I get home from work. I've never signed for any ammo I've gotten from them and I've been ordering from them for the last 2 months approximately once every 7 to 10 days. Course I live in SC so that might have something to do with it, but I doubt it
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 21:51 |
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Ophidian posted:Some heads up on some surplus 7.62x54R: didn't damage your rifle did it? and I agree, as far as surplus goes the 80's Bulgarian is my favorite
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| # ? Apr 24, 2008 21:53 |
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TCD posted:Question: It's all HXP M2 ball (Greek surplus). Copper/Steel jacket, lead core. Some come in enbloc clips and bandeleers, all come in spam cans. If you buy a crate worth they ship it to you in the crate. Edit: Crate orders have the great bonus of scaring FedEx employees.  
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| # ? Apr 25, 2008 00:11 |
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Aurune posted:It's all HXP M2 ball (Greek surplus). Copper/Steel jacket, lead core. Some come in enbloc clips and bandeleers, all come in spam cans. If you buy a crate worth they ship it to you in the crate. Now that's just sexy.
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| # ? Apr 25, 2008 12:26 |
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Gewehr 43 posted:Now that's just sexy. I just want the crate, I'd take the ammo as an extra bonus.
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| # ? Apr 25, 2008 14:55 |
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I've started to save up for my first CMP garand and a case of sweet sweet Greek ammo. I'm seriously thinking about taking a couple days off or a long weekend to drive up to the CMP South location and hand pick my Garand. Im paranoid as hell about getting something that I'm less than pleased with back in the mail, not to mention the wait. Then again there's the driving across 2 states to go pick up a gun wtf factor as well. It seems that everyone I've seen here has been very pleased with their purchase so I might just roll the dice.
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| # ? Apr 25, 2008 15:22 |
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Super 3 posted:I've started to save up for my first CMP garand and a case of sweet sweet Greek ammo. I'm seriously thinking about taking a couple days off or a long weekend to drive up to the CMP South location and hand pick my Garand. Im paranoid as hell about getting something that I'm less than pleased with back in the mail, not to mention the wait. Then again there's the driving across 2 states to go pick up a gun wtf factor as well. It seems that everyone I've seen here has been very pleased with their purchase so I might just roll the dice. I've never heard of someone being dissapointed with a roll of the dice. Get a Service Grade and you'll get a gun in AMAZING mechanical condition, albeit one that's probably post-ww2 manufacture. I really, really love my CMP Springfield. It was one of the last 100,000 or so Garands made.
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| # ? Apr 25, 2008 20:16 |
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Sturdy posted:didn't damage your rifle did it? Rifle is fine. As far as I am concerned, Mosins are made of Concrete-reinforced Dolomite.
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| # ? Apr 25, 2008 22:12 |
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   My Fazarkely mated with a Savage at some point.
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| # ? Apr 25, 2008 22:22 |
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I just spent the last 30 mins or so reading the CMP forums, some info that you might find interesting. - About 550 M1A have been handed over to the CMP, expected to go on sale around Nov. - A second shipment of carbines will arrive, the crates will be opened and inspected with the expected sales date being early 2009 - All rifles and ammo will simply be reported as "from the US Army", this is assumed to take the heat off of foreign governments for "arming civilians". - only 1000 IBMs, it's hardly worth submitting an order, so don't even try ok? Really, don't do it. - "junk" Krag rifles in stores only starting June 4th. - Limited number of 1917s "Hoping to have them ready for sale in Oct - but this is a moving target. " - No IBM Carbines at all, fogetaboutit ok! ok? Thats a good boy. - 1903s in jan 2009, from veteran organizations so they will be beat up. Join me and my boner for the CMP.
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| # ? Apr 25, 2008 22:31 |
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Sounds like I need an IBM carbine!
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| # ? Apr 25, 2008 23:08 |
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lilspooky posted:Sounds like I need an IBM carbine!
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| # ? Apr 25, 2008 23:18 |
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CmdrRat posted:I just spent the last 30 mins or so reading the CMP forums, some info that you might find interesting. You IBM nerds are getting all excited about the wrong parts!
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| # ? Apr 26, 2008 02:27 |
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Doc Faustus posted:You IBM nerds are getting all excited about the wrong parts! Seriously I'm messing my pants over the 1917s.
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| # ? Apr 26, 2008 03:07 |
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Oh man, I need to work on getting my CMP paperwork in order.
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| # ? Apr 26, 2008 03:07 |
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Miso Beno posted:Seriously I'm messing my pants over the 1917s. The 1917 are mostly veterans group returns from what I've read. So they probably won't be in the best condition (drat corrosive blanks). I'm hoping for the best.. a 1917 sounds sweet. They're going to go fast.
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| # ? Apr 26, 2008 03:14 |
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It looks like I'm going to have to retire the tiger-stripe stock on my M1; there's a hairline crack developing in front of the trigger guard that I'm afraid is only going to get worse.
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| # ? Apr 26, 2008 04:29 |
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Doc Faustus posted:You IBM nerds are getting all excited about the wrong parts! CMP, You got to collect them all!
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| # ? Apr 26, 2008 05:29 |
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Rhandhali posted:It looks like I'm going to have to retire the tiger-stripe stock on my M1; there's a hairline crack developing in front of the trigger guard that I'm afraid is only going to get worse. Repair it. Use some epoxy to fix the crack, drill a small hole at the very tip of the crack to stop the spread, put a dowel in there to replace the missing wood, and use a mix of epoxy and the sawdust from drilling the repair hole to cover the top 1/16th of an inch over the dowel. It will be noticeable to anyone looking at the stock but not ridiculously so.
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| # ? Apr 26, 2008 14:46 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Repair it. I've thought about repairing it but what I think I'm going to do is go ahead and get some new metal parts and one of the CMP stocks for when I take it out to the range and keep the tiger stripe for presentation purposes.
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| # ? Apr 26, 2008 17:22 |
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Rhandhali posted:I've thought about repairing it but what I think I'm going to do is go ahead and get some new metal parts and one of the CMP stocks for when I take it out to the range and keep the tiger stripe for presentation purposes. You really don't want to be swapping a Garand action in and out of the stocks like this. That compresses the wood and causes the action to be held less securely in the stock, which REALLY screws accuracy in the long run. Plus, even before the stock really starts to get worn out by this you'll have to run through about 50-100 rounds before the action "seats itself" properly in the stock again, yielding its best accuracy. The fit of the action in a garand stock is vital to its accuracy, perhaps more so than most milsurp rifles. Without a bunch of screws to really hold it in there tightly it relies on the tension between the stock, the action, and the trigger assembly to hold it tight. I've got a beater garand that's in a fairly loose stock and it groups HORRIBLY - until I was able to drop it into another stock to test it I thought the barrel was straight up shot. Your best bet is probably to repair hte existing stock or to simply retire it straight up and sell it to someone who will let it sit on one rifle. If you go the latter route contact me as I'm looking for a replacement stock for the above mentioned beater.
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| # ? Apr 26, 2008 17:40 |
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The CMP is currently auctioning a M1903 Bar/Recv SN 252099. They make no statement about it's safety to fire. However, isn't their a higher than normal failure rate / safety issue with all SA 1903 receivers below 800,000?
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| # ? Apr 26, 2008 19:56 |
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http://www.odcmp.com/Rifles/misc.htm The CMP is going to have some Krags that are very much in need of some TLC available at the stores in the beginning of June.
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| # ? Apr 26, 2008 21:49 |
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Aurune posted:The CMP is currently auctioning a M1903 Bar/Recv SN 252099. They make no statement about it's safety to fire. However, isn't their a higher than normal failure rate / safety issue with all SA 1903 receivers below 800,000? Yes. Anything less than 800000 made by SA is considered unsafe to fire due to poor heat treating of those receivers. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I have heard.
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| # ? Apr 27, 2008 00:21 |
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I thought about getting a junk Krag for parts but at that price I can get a good sporter and use it if I needed, especially since all I really need is the rear sight.
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