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How much will those Krags run for? I'm really more interested in a Norwegian or Danish one but having an American one wouldn't be bad.
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| # ? Apr 27, 2008 04:01 |
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Paramemetic posted:How much will those Krags run for? I'm really more interested in a Norwegian or Danish one but having an American one wouldn't be bad. Why are you interested in Danish and Norwegian Krags? I'm just wondering because you've mentioned it a few times. Krags in general are kind of neat in a gimmicky way. My interest in them was because they are a bit of an oddity in American military history and represent a conservative way of thinking in a rapidly changing world.
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| # ? Apr 27, 2008 04:16 |
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Rhandhali posted:http://www.odcmp.com/Rifles/misc.htm  Sup bitches?  edit: oh wait, this ain't C&R. I ain't poo poo. 
Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at Apr 27, 2008 around 06:01 |
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Krags are nifty.
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| # ? Apr 27, 2008 05:53 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:
Let me guess, yours was made before 1899? That's okay, we still love our antique friends, they're special in their own way.
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Illegal Clown posted:Let me guess, yours was made before 1899? That's okay, we still love our antique friends, they're special in their own way. Antiques ARE C&R, they just don't need to be transfered through an FFL. However, if you have a C&R and pick up an antique C&R gun you still have to enter it in your book. And those Krags are going to be a loving godsend if they've got intact wood. I'd buy a "junk" krag for $300 just to get the stock and put it on some rile that was sportered back in the 60s.
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I was asking in another thread, but what do I want to know about Rock Island 1903's?
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Groda posted:I was asking in another thread, but what do I want to know about Rock Island 1903's? Answer my PM you Swedish meatball! 
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mikerock posted:Answer my PM you Swedish meatball! Oh dear, PM's--sorry snookums!
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You're givin me a major case of blue balls over here, I tell you what.
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Groda posted:I was asking in another thread, but what do I want to know about Rock Island 1903's? This article http://m1903.com/03rcvrfail/ seems to explain the failure side pretty well, although I don't have any real experience with them.
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I have a question about my bound book... I've had my turkish mauser since before I got my C&R, so should I enter it in my bound book? I don't even remember when I got it because my dad gave it to me from a batch of a few that he bought.
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I had the same question; Edit: Future quoting to keep this very important bit of information clear: GodlessCommie posted:ANY C&R firearm you acquire AFTER you get your license MUST be entered into your log book. If you sell your Turk Mauser you acquired before you got your license, you MUST record the sale. QuarkMartial fucked around with this message at Apr 28, 2008 around 00:25 |
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SO if I head down do Random Bill's gun store for his 30 mosin for a dollar special, does that count, or do I only need to write them down if it is an interstate transfer?
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Armacham posted:SO if I head down do Random Bill's gun store for his 30 mosin for a dollar special, does that count, or do I only need to write them down if it is an interstate transfer? ANY C&R firearm you acquire AFTER you get your license MUST be entered into your log book. If you sell your Turk Mauser you acquired before you got your license, you MUST record the sale.
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Illegal Clown posted:The link said the "best" ones were $450 but they're all junk, missing parts and generally in poor condition. None of them are safe to shoot so they sound more like something to be used for parts. My interest is in them mainly because they are obscure and not the American Krags. Like I said, I wouldn't mind having an American Krag, but they are more common in America. My interest in Krags in general is because they are gimmicky as hell and hilarious. They really define the awkward period between military doctrines involving rifles. Another reason is that they are a Norwegian design, so I would like to have a Norwegian rifle. Danish is a close second as Denmark actually used them as a combat arm, in my understanding, up until the Nazis steamrolled them. I suppose the king of gimmicky Krags would be a Nazi manufactured one, but those are, I imagine, exceedingly rare. Basically I want one for the same reason I want a Steyr-Mannlicher: they are underappreciated and uncommon. It's nice owning the classics but sometimes you just need a gimmicky bizarre rifle you can tell someone about, because everyone own's an RC K98k and a Springfield '03 and a Garand and a Mosin. NAWMEAN? 
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Paramemetic posted:
Technically I guess the Danish Krags were used in combat, but that's a pretty big technicality. There were only about 15 danish soldiers killed in the two hours between Germany beginning their invasion in 1940 and the Danish government capitulating and I know a number of those were in the Royal Guard, which I believe was armed with something else at that time (although I'm not sure on that). I don't believe the Nazis manufactured any Krags. The occupation of Denmark was mostly handled by Danish police under Nazi supervision (as far as occupations go it was a pretty benign one) so I don't think they even confiscated enough Krags to bother WaA stamping them and entering them into their inventories. I'm not sure on that though, so if you ahve any more info on those I'd love to hear it.
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My fascination with the gimmickry of Krags is that I've always wondered why they were ever made. It seems that in 1890 rifles were fed via a tubular magazine or box magazines under the receiver. The tubular magazines offered a higher capacity but the box magazines allowed for quicker loading and the use of pointier bullets. What advantage does the Krag style have? It is a little faster to load than a tube magazine but not by much, and only has a five round capacity. Was there a problem with the box magazine being damaged? I guess that would explain why later rifles used double stack magazines, but I'm not sure. I know the original Krag magazine called for a ten round capacity but it was too bulky or something. I've heard the argument that it was designed to be loaded slower than a system using clips, to treat it like a single shot, but that's what the magazine cutoff is for. It's just weird because I can't see anyone thinking it was a superior design.
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Paramemetic posted:Basically I want one for the same reason I want a Steyr-Mannlicher: they are underappreciated and uncommon. It's nice owning the classics but sometimes you just need a gimmicky bizarre rifle you can tell someone about. I personally want a Steyr-Mannlicher because it'd come in handy if I needed to compete in a pole-vault competition. Aren't they something like seven feet long with the bayonet attached? 
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Tamerlane posted:I personally want a Steyr-Mannlicher because it'd come in handy if I needed to compete in a pole-vault competition. Aren't they something like seven feet long with the bayonet attached? Not really. The m95/30 (the shortened, modernized version you see everywhere) was exactly 1 meter long. The full length m95 was a little longer, something like 1.2m. They're pretty similar, dimensionally speaking, to the K98k and the G98, respectively.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Technically I guess the Danish Krags were used in combat, but that's a pretty big technicality. There were only about 15 danish soldiers killed in the two hours between Germany beginning their invasion in 1940 and the Danish government capitulating and I know a number of those were in the Royal Guard, which I believe was armed with something else at that time (although I'm not sure on that). I just found a reference book on Krags, if you have a few minutes I'd love to hear your thoughts on IRC or AIM.
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Illegal Clown posted:My fascination with the gimmickry of Krags is that I've always wondered why they were ever made. It seems that in 1890 rifles were fed via a tubular magazine or box magazines under the receiver. The tubular magazines offered a higher capacity but the box magazines allowed for quicker loading and the use of pointier bullets. What advantage does the Krag style have? It is a little faster to load than a tube magazine but not by much, and only has a five round capacity. Was there a problem with the box magazine being damaged? I guess that would explain why later rifles used double stack magazines, but I'm not sure. I know the original Krag magazine called for a ten round capacity but it was too bulky or something. I've heard the argument that it was designed to be loaded slower than a system using clips, to treat it like a single shot, but that's what the magazine cutoff is for. It's just weird because I can't see anyone thinking it was a superior design. The biggest 'advantage' was that the magazine could be topped off without opening the bolt. No, I have no idea why this was thought to be so awesome, but a lot of people in the right places (aka senior military officials who hadn't used a combat arm on a daily basis since the Civil War) thought it was pretty amazing and a really desirable feature. It's worth noting that we started looking for a new rifle just a few years later when we realized how lackluster the Krag was in comparison to the Mauser after getting in a number of Krag v. Mauser fights when we invaded Cuba. The m1903 is basically a direct copy of the small ring m93 Mauser that was used by the Spanish at the time of the Spanish-American war. Also, here's a little ditty from the occupation in the philipines that mentions the Krag: Soldiers in the 1890s posted:drat, drat, drat the Filipinos!
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Cyrano4747 posted:Not really. The m95/30 (the shortened, modernized version you see everywhere) was exactly 1 meter long. The full length m95 was a little longer, something like 1.2m. Darnit, you're right, of course. I guess I was thinking of the Mannlicher-Berthier, which IIRC was something in the neighborhood of six feet complete with bayonet. Come to think of it, that's not all that much longer than a 91/30- I guess it just seemed bigger when I saw it for whatever reason.
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GodlessCommie posted:ANY C&R firearm you acquire AFTER you get your license MUST be entered into your log book. It is worth noting that you'll never find any regulation that states this. It is, however, recommended by every ATF agent I've spoken to, as well as being a general good practice.
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Gewehr 43 posted:It is worth noting that you'll never find any regulation that states this. It is, however, recommended by every ATF agent I've spoken to, as well as being a general good practice. Huh? CFR 478.125(f) posted:Firearms receipt and disposition by licensed collectors: Each licensed collector shall enter into a record each receipt and disposition of firearms curios or relics. How can this be interpreted as anything but a requirement to enter all the C&Rs that you buy or sell while a FFL03?
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To interrupt all this Danish/American/Norweigan mega-fag talk, I present you all with some cool Mosins up for auction, some of you queers with money better buy them. This guy has three nice, rare Mosins up for auction right now, two Tikka m/27s and a New England Westinghouse M91. Buy them and give them to me please EDIT: Also, this is pretty loving sweet, I never knew the Finns ordered Swedish Mausers. DrPop fucked around with this message at Apr 28, 2008 around 02:45 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Huh? I'm not a lawyer, but it could be interpreted to apply only to firearms purchased with the C&R license, due to the special nature of the transaction. To the dealer, buying an old Mosin is no different than buying a new rifle because the customer has to fill out the same forums and such to be submitted. It's an FFL transferring to a customer, whereas if I buy online with a C&R it's an FFL transferring to another FFL, requiring me to keep a record of that transfer. I really don't know, and it hasn't been an issue for me since I haven't purchased any C&R guns in person since getting the license. I have always kept a record of firearm make, model, and number for all purchases as a matter of personal responsibility. It's no big deal to record it since I already do, and if I have to keep a second set of books for all of my C&R it's also no extra trouble.
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Illegal Clown posted:I'm not a lawyer, but it could be interpreted to apply only to firearms purchased with the C&R license This was my general take on it as well. I guess it depends on how you define the term "receipt."
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Miso Beno posted:My power went out yesterday so I've decided to post two pieces of milsurp today to make up for it. There are several things that lead to believe that's a sporterized 1884 Rifle that's meant to look like a carbine. A 1884 Carbine would not have a sling swivel on the trigger guard. Instead it would have a swivel ring and bar assembly on the right side. That trigger guard is from an 1888 Trapdoor. Also the sight is labeled "R" on the upper right part, which indicates it is a Rifle sight. Still, the metal looks in great condition. There's alot of case hardening still left on the breech block.
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After reading a few message boards and legal documents it seems to be quite ambiguous. It seems to be focused on the interpretation of the phrase "with the license." Some say it broadly means having been issued a license, while others say it specifically means to use the license in a purchase. I take the later side because it makes more sense, especially since non-C&R and previously owned ones are not required to be recorded. I still think it's a good idea to record everything.PanzerOfJustice posted:There are several things that lead to believe that's a sporterized 1884 Rifle that's meant to look like a carbine. A 1884 Carbine would not have a sling swivel on the trigger guard. Instead it would have a swivel ring and bar assembly on the right side. That trigger guard is from an 1888 Trapdoor. Also the sight is labeled "R" on the upper right part, which indicates it is a Rifle sight. Good eye. When he got it he mentioned that it was sportorized. When I was looking at getting a Krag I saw a cheap one that looked like a carbine. Sadly upon turning it over I saw the sites had been removed and the receiver had been drilled for a scope. Then there were the ones that had the loading gates removed and welded shut. I admit, I cried a little. Illegal Clown fucked around with this message at Apr 28, 2008 around 03:29 |
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DrPop posted:To interrupt all this Danish/American/Norweigan mega-fag talk, I present you all with some cool Mosins up for auction, some of you queers with money better buy them. This guy is also selling a Finn m28 which he's misidentified as an m28/30. Should be interesting to see what that goes for - you really never see those for sale.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I don't believe the Nazis manufactured any Krags. The occupation of Denmark was mostly handled by Danish police under Nazi supervision (as far as occupations go it was a pretty benign one) so I don't think they even confiscated enough Krags to bother WaA stamping them and entering them into their inventories. I'm not sure on that though, so if you ahve any more info on those I'd love to hear it. I first read about it on Wikipedia which backs it with a book source. A little further down the reading gives this website which is a pain to read and hosted on geocities so I admit reliability is questionable. My understanding is the Norwegians manufactured a handful of them for the Nazis during the occupation. Less than 20,000. They have Nazi stampings and WaffenAmts.
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Paramemetic posted:I first read about it on Wikipedia which backs it with a book source. A little further down the reading gives this website which is a pain to read and hosted on geocities so I admit reliability is questionable. My understanding is the Norwegians manufactured a handful of them for the Nazis during the occupation. Less than 20,000. They have Nazi stampings and WaffenAmts. Paul MaudDib posted:I just found a reference book on Krags, if you have a few minutes I'd love to hear your thoughts on IRC or AIM. From what you were saying earlier on AIM that reference book sounds pretty goddamned comprehensive. Please clarify this Nazi Krag issue.  Yes, I'm keeping notes on who has the good reference books in this forum. Those things are loving expensive and if I can get someone to feed me info on guns I don't know about on the cheap all the better.
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PanzerOfJustice posted:There are several things that lead to believe that's a sporterized 1884 Rifle that's meant to look like a carbine. A 1884 Carbine would not have a sling swivel on the trigger guard. Instead it would have a swivel ring and bar assembly on the right side. That trigger guard is from an 1888 Trapdoor. Also the sight is labeled "R" on the upper right part, which indicates it is a Rifle sight. As best as I can tell, the rifle used to have the swivel ring and bar assembly at one point during its life but was removed by one of its previous owners. Also, if you'll notice, the front sight was replaced with a hideous deer sight that makes baby jesus cry every time I use it. I'm not complaining though, as the rifle cost me less than $300.
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Miso Beno posted:As best as I can tell, the rifle used to have the swivel ring and bar assembly at one point during its life but was removed by one of its previous owners. Also, if you'll notice, the front sight was replaced with a hideous deer sight that makes baby jesus cry every time I use it. I'm not complaining though, as the rifle cost me less than $300. What would a new front sight run you?
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Cyrano4747 posted:What would a new front sight run you? I have no idea, but I believe there are holes drilled in the barrel to accommodate this wonderful piece of 1950s technology.
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Miso Beno posted:I have no idea, but I believe there are holes drilled in the barrel to accommodate this wonderful piece of 1950s technology. So? Get the new front sight, put on whatever fittings they took off (I'm guessing it's short a front sight base or something), thread some screws in the holes, grind them flush with the barrel, and reblue that little patch. Chances are it'll be under the sight anyways. Come on, you know reparing guns better than I do. I shouldn't have to spell this one out for you.
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Cyrano4747 posted:From what you were saying earlier on AIM that reference book sounds pretty goddamned comprehensive. Please clarify this Nazi Krag issue. Sorry, it's the American Krag Rifle and Carbine. No Danish/Norwegian Krags.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Sorry, it's the American Krag Rifle and Carbine. No Danish/Norwegian Krags. Do me a favor if you would and tell me the bibliographical info on that book - author, title, publisher, year of publication - or at the very least the ISBN. I'm always looking for new gun books to track down, and that one looks like a real winner.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Do me a favor if you would and tell me the bibliographical info on that book - author, title, publisher, year of publication - or at the very least the ISBN. I'm always looking for new gun books to track down, and that one looks like a real winner. The American Krag Rifle And Carbine, 2nd Edition, For Collectors Only series Joe Poyer, edited by Craig Riesch North Cape Publications, Inc (c)2002 and 2007 ISBN-10 1-882391-31-4 ISBN-13 978-188239131-8 You can find it here: https://www.northcapepubs.com/ as well, something I didn't notice until I looked at the publisher's info  Joe Poyer also wrote books on the 1903 and the Garand, which I'm seriously considering after reading this book. Don't forget - if you go to college, go to your library. If you can afford to wait a week or two, interlibrary loan programs can get you what you need for free. I currently have an ILL request out for the other two books on the US Krags. That's literally all the reference information that is available, sadly enough. Each of those books listed at $150 when they were in print, and they've gone up to about $180. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at Apr 28, 2008 around 05:13 |
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