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Rhandhali posted:Tell me about this Chinese crap. JW-25A It's a chinese knock-off of the 98k .22 trainer. The irons suck and I am having a hard time finding a scope mount for it.
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AlextheNotYetGreat posted:How tough are Mosin M91s to come by, and how much should I expect to pay for one? I'll go for a 91/30 if it's more than 700 but I don't think Nicholas II would ever forgive me if I took the anti-Tsarist weapon first. Im not sure if this is a fakepost or a bad troll or just utter confusion. I got my Mosin 91/30 6 months ago for 60 bucks, though those days are gone now, you can probably find one nowadays locally for around 80 bucks thats in shootable condition.
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AlextheNotYetGreat posted:How tough are Mosin M91s to come by, and how much should I expect to pay for one? I'll go for a 91/30 if it's more than 700 but I don't think Nicholas II would ever forgive me if I took the anti-Tsarist weapon first. At a gun show last weekend I think the most expensive m91 I saw was around $450. There were several others for somewhat less than that all the way down to about $200. The cheaper ones had their imperial eagles pinged or ground off, but I managed to trade a fairly nice m91/59 that I got for a song for a decent finn captured m91 with the eagles still intact. Crunkjuice posted:Im not sure if this is a fakepost or a bad troll or just utter confusion. M91s are not the same as 91/30s.
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I've wanted to post a photo of my milsurp family since this thread was posted but I put it off because I'm expecting a delivery from my secret munitions courier (UPS driver) but he hasn't arrived yet so I'll just share what I already have. I always thought historical guns were cool but never thought I would be able to own them in good condition or at an affordable price. How foolish I was. My first milsurp purchase was a Yugo SKS for $100 a couple years ago. It was an impulse buy, but I thought it was cool because of the bayonet and grenade launcher, and that it shot the same ammo as my WASR. We've all seen them so no picture is needed. My next milsurp was an M44. Again, it was an impulse buy. I was buying a shotgun at the time and I figured, "hey, what's an extra $80? Throw in one of those M44s too." Later that year I bought a Garand, but it wasn't from the CMP nor was it dragged through the the Pacific or slay any Nazis. I guess that means it's not TFR approved so I won't dare to insult you all with a picture of my horrible gun. By last summer I had caught the Milsurp bug and wanted everything I could find that was older than my parents. I picked up "another goddamn Mosin" last fall, only it had a hex receiver made in 1923.  I thought it was kind of neat, or at least not your typical $70 M91/30. It was the oldest gun I had at the time. Then a month later I was browsing the used guns at a local store and saw a guy taking a deep look at this old Krag rifle I had been ogling for several months.   I know TFR doesn't approve of milsurp guns costing more than $500, but I bought it anyway. It was unique and the most accurate gun I had ever fired so I don't regret it one bit. I do however regret the choice in cartridge the Army used with it. And as kind of a fake edit, while I was writing this the UPS guy showed up and handed me a box.  Oh cool, it's a mummy.  Okay, I'm sorry if it's nothing special. 
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Is there any easy way to get a decent Swedish Mauser anymore, or do you pretty much have to come across one in person these days to not get screwed? I just got my C&R the other week, and I'd love to have a Swedish Mauser, but Samco is the only dealer I've come across yet with any in stock, and they kinda sound like they're scraping the bottom of the barrel with them.
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Forseti posted:Is there any easy way to get a decent Swedish Mauser anymore, or do you pretty much have to come across one in person these days to not get screwed? I just got my C&R the other week, and I'd love to have a Swedish Mauser, but Samco is the only dealer I've come across yet with any in stock, and they kinda sound like they're scraping the bottom of the barrel with them.
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lilspooky posted:2. Is it a requirement that you have competed in some kind of tournament / shooting match in order to be able to order from CMP? Scope mentioned this to me.
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^^ Ok cool, thanks Pitch. I sent them a copy of my C&R originally and they sent me back a form letter basically stating "you don't belong to any group...piss off". So I guess I'll find somebody to join, like that Garand group, and then get my M1 on. 
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Illegal Clown posted:I've wanted to post a photo of my milsurp family since this thread was posted but I put it off because I'm expecting a delivery from my secret munitions courier (UPS driver) but he hasn't arrived yet so I'll just share what I already have. Welcome to the K31 club! That Krag's pretty sweet also, and if TFR doesn't approve of milsurp that costs more than $500 we'd have to kick Gewehr43 and myself right out. Expensive guns are awesome too. Also, no shame in having a non-CMP Garand that's in rough shape. I've got a Korean import (Blue Skye) that's in horrible shape that I got back when the CMP was out of them. It shoots horribly and needs a new stock and a new barrel - one of these days it'll become a project gun and transform into a kick rear end target rifle. Either that or I'll sell it off to fund something else.
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Space Cowboy posted:At a gun show last weekend I think the most expensive m91 I saw was around $450. There were several others for somewhat less than that all the way down to about $200. The cheaper ones had their imperial eagles pinged or ground off, but I managed to trade a fairly nice m91/59 that I got for a song for a decent finn captured m91 with the eagles still intact. Awesome. Is finding them hit-or-miss or are they fairly common?
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AlextheNotYetGreat posted:Awesome. Is finding them hit-or-miss or are they fairly common? I don't really see them that often on auction sites, and I don't generally go to many gun stores, although I need to start seeing if I can find some good deals. But at that gun show, the Tulsa one that's supposed to be the biggest in the US or something like that, I saw at least 6, maybe more. They'll be harder to find and more expensive than 91/30s, but they're out there. I'll try to post pics of mine and some of my other cool milsurps later tonight.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Welcome to the K31 club! No, my Garand is in excellent condition, like it was just made. It was also during the time when the CMP was out and everyone was saying that they were gone for good. I really wanted a Garand and my local store had three, one of which had some strange pistol grip stock. I think they also had one of those "Tanker" models in, or that could have been later. The one I wanted was at a more reasonable price, as the stock was a little more beat up, but I liked it. On the day I decided to get it I found that it was already sold, so I grabbed the more expensive one because it was the last one. Then a month later the store had a few more in, some in the price range I would have liked. I can't regret it though because I got a better gun. Space Cowboy posted:I don't really see them that often on auction sites, and I don't generally go to many gun stores, although I need to start seeing if I can find some good deals. But at that gun show, the Tulsa one that's supposed to be the biggest in the US or something like that, I saw at least 6, maybe more. They'll be harder to find and more expensive than 91/30s, but they're out there. I'll try to post pics of mine and some of my other cool milsurps later tonight. I've only seen two M91s. One was a sporterized 1917 Remington around $200. The other was a 1915 Izhevsk, that had the imperial symbols ground off and I think some of the parts were mismatched. I remember the magazine floor plate had no bluing and had the original number struck out. Other than that it was in really good shape and at $90 I was tempted to pick it up. It was still in the original M91 configuration as the stock was different and it was a couple inches longer than the M91/30s. Technically my 91/30 used to be an M91 as it was made in 1923, but it was cut down when it rearsenald.
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If you want a m91 you're going to need to go to gunbroker. Seriously, that place is pretty much where to go if you want milsurp that isn't being sold by the major online retailers and dont live next to a huge brick & mortar milsurp shop (which will probably be overpriced in comparison to Gunbroker anyway). Here's one Here's another That's what I got off of a basic search on gunbroker for "m91," and I guarantee that if you do the same search a week from now you'll turn up different rifles. Just keep checking in once in a while, keep an eye out for one you like, and have the money ready so that you can bid on what you like. You might also check gunsamerica or auctionarms. Checkpointcharlies.com is another online seller of somewhat more upscale milsurp that usually has a decent selection, so they'll probably turn up there too from time to time.
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I thought about mentioning that Sestroryetsky rifle from gunbroker because it's been on there for several months now. I'm guessing most people think it's over priced, although like I said it's pretty close to what I saw at the show. Also, Illegal Clown, was yours a full size m91, or was it a dragoon? The dragoons were the carbine version of the m91 and were the same length as the later 91/30s.
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Cyrano, do you have any recommendations or info on how to go about finding a Lee-Enfield SMLE?
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Hmm, I've been looking on Gunbroker at their Swedish Mausers, and this one looks pretty good. The M96 appeals to me more than the carbine, and according to the disc, the bore should be in pretty good condition rust/pitting wise with a 1 rating, but the groove diameter seems pretty worn at 6.49mm or is this not a problem? What's the deal with buying off gunbroker anyway, are you pretty well protected by Gunbroker themselves or is it up to the buyer to give you the opportunity to reject it within a few days? Edit: Also looking at this one, which seems to be in even better condition with a perfect bore and minimal bore erosion according to the disc. Would this one be a better buy? I'm not really too concerned with the prices on these, I'd rather have a good one than a cheap one. Forseti fucked around with this message at Apr 9, 2008 around 19:13 |
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lilspooky posted:Cyrano, do you have any recommendations or info on how to go about finding a Lee-Enfield SMLE? Same general recommendations as the guy looking for a m91: start poking around gunbroker to get a feel for what's out there and what it's selling for, do a little research (it's as easy as googling around for info on the gun) to find out what's desirable and what's realistically attainable, set a goal for yourself (Gun with a WW1 manufacture date? whatever floats your boat), set a budget that is realistic given what the guns are priced at (leave a little extra on your available cash so that you can jump on a slightly over-priced gun if it is just perfect for what you want), and start looking around. Gunbroker or any of the other auction sites is probably your best bet, but gunshows can be helpful as well. Do your research, people. Take the time to browse the most recent threads in that Enfield forum you stumble upon. Read up on the collector websites out there. If you're going to be dropping real cash ($400+) on the gun consider buying a book or two. My rule of thumb is that I spend about %5-10 of the cost of any gun I'll be getting on literature over it. For a $300 RC Mauser this can just mean getting a cheap identification book off Amazon so you can poke around with manufacturer codes and waffenamts yourself without constantly going online. For a $2000-4000 G/K43 this can mean picking up more expensive hardcover collectors books that run around $60 each so that you don't get taken by some dishonest fucker. Really, it's all about educating yourself so that, later on, you can take educated risks without looking like a total fool. Those are the ones that will net you the real prizes, the cheap, "worthless" guns that turn out to be real gems. The only reason I even accepted the offer of a free "old, beat up Mosin of some type" as an added incentive to close a much larger, multi-gun, $1000 deal I made a few years back was because, being a history geek, I could recognize a very small imperial eagle on the receiver. Even with that little bit of knowledge I knew it was something out of the ordinary and not your run of the mill m44. It turned out to be a Finnish m28 in a ski trooper's stock that, with the stock, is worth upwards of $500. Had I actually known diddly poo poo about Finn Mosins at that point I would have ID'd it in a heartbeat and probably asked for it as part of the initial deal from the get go. Milsurps require a bit of homework if you want to go beyond ordering whatever AIM's got in stock or browsing Big 5 on sale days. As an added bonus, doing all that research for a gun you REALLY want just makes finally buying one all the sweeter. I've been reading obsessively about G/K43s since this time last year and you'd better bet I'm going to go absofuckinglutely nuts when I get my hands on my very own nazi repeater (which, with the extra $1,000 infusion that I just found out I'm getting from the tax man, might be sooner rather than later. . . .). In many ways I find learning about these guns prior to purchasing them to be far more rewarding than actually having them in my closet (although that kicks unbelievable rear end as well).
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Space Cowboy posted:Also, Illegal Clown, was yours a full size m91, or was it a dragoon? The dragoons were the carbine version of the m91 and were the same length as the later 91/30s. I couldn't tell you, but it is now the same size as any other M91/30. I assumed it was an M91 when made and then cut down to the 91/30 specs when the Soviets rearsenaled their inventory, but I have no way of knowing unless I had a way of checking the original serial numbers against some list of rifles. It doesn't matter because right now it is considered an M91/30 and is only worth maybe $20 more than your standard 1940's production.
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I know this is kind of a tangent, but do any of you Cyrano-types know anything about milsurp binoculars and where to get them? The 1940s American binoculars I had a chance to use over the summer were still pristine and still felt stronger than any modern plastic and rubber set. I just ordered a set of Steiners for actual use this summer, but I'd love a cheap-ish old quality pair to keep in my trunk or take out on a kayak with me and not worry about them.
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Forseti posted:Hmm, I've been looking on Gunbroker at their Swedish Mausers, and this one looks pretty good. The M96 appeals to me more than the carbine, and according to the disc, the bore should be in pretty good condition rust/pitting wise with a 1 rating, but the groove diameter seems pretty worn at 6.49mm or is this not a problem? The first one has had its barrel threaded by a previous owner. That's a post-military alteration and, although it was common with Swedish sports shooters, something that I'd ding a rifle considerably for having, price-wise. This one looks pretty good to me. I'd also look around and see if I could find something that's all numbers matching. I can't believe one-two part mismatches are selling for $400 these days. Christ I should have gotten one of those rifles a couple years back. [url=http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=96446047]This one is priced a lot better, at least for now, although it also has a threaded muzzle and it's a mismatch. Also, and I hate to say this, but don't blindly trust the stock disc info. Almost all swedish mausers shoot very well. Don't pay TOO much extra for one that's rated a 1 over one that's rated a 3. Why? [url=http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=96742088]Because people like this guy sell stock discs. The discs themselves are not numbered. You could take one that the swedes rated at a 3, unscrew it and drop this on and "ta da" you've got a minty, perfect bore (as determined by the Swedish Military!) rifle to sell on gunbroker. As far as gunbroker goes. . . all reputable sellers will permit a 3 day inspection period in which you can return it. Basically it's like Ebay for guns. There's LOT of cooked poo poo out there and you have to read carefully and know what you're looking at, but you can also generally spot the real obvious rip offs. If the pictures uniformly suck and the seller has no feedback posted on him, stay away, for example.
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Illegal Clown posted:I couldn't tell you, but it is now the same size as any other M91/30. I assumed it was an M91 when made and then cut down to the 91/30 specs when the Soviets rearsenaled their inventory, but I have no way of knowing unless I had a way of checking the original serial numbers against some list of rifles. It doesn't matter because right now it is considered an M91/30 and is only worth maybe $20 more than your standard 1940's production. If it's a dragoon it'll have a special stamp near the chamber. I forget what it is, but it's a three letter stamp, some upper case and some lower case. If I saw it again I could recognize it at least. Check 7.62x54.net - they'll know what it is.
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I, too, support milsurp guns. RC K98s are totally fun guns to shoot.  PING!  Smooth action, ugly as sin.  Reliable knockaround gun. I've got a whole pile of ammo from when it was $.09 a round.  I don't care what any of you say, this gun is a blast to shoot. Better penetration on hard drive-based foes than 9mm!  Edit: goddamn loving url gently caress poo poo voodoorootbeer fucked around with this message at Apr 9, 2008 around 19:46 |
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Thanks for the info Cyrano, I didn't even think about the disc swap thing, but it's pretty obvious now that you've pointed it out. I did remember reading somewhere that the Swedes were incredibly anal about the ratings though, and that even the 3s should be pretty good if you just want something that shoots well, so I think I might just play it safe and try to find something decent at a reasonable price to tide me over and keep my eye out for excellent ones locally that I can inspect in person. I wish I'd gotten into this years ago, I was reading about the Samco ones the other night and people were saying that the M41B Snipers they have were a great deal when they first started selling them, but that now it's pretty iffy on the quality.
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Pristine Shits posted:I know this is kind of a tangent, but do any of you Cyrano-types know anything about milsurp binoculars and where to get them? The 1940s American binoculars I had a chance to use over the summer were still pristine and still felt stronger than any modern plastic and rubber set. I just ordered a set of Steiners for actual use this summer, but I'd love a cheap-ish old quality pair to keep in my trunk or take out on a kayak with me and not worry about them. Here's a pair of Russian ones. The Russian ones turn up every once in awhile.
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For some reason the bolt on my Yugo mauser is incredibly stiff, at least compared to my RC mauser. Is there anything I can do to fix it? The bolt is well oiled so thats not the problem. Pics of M48 for the hell of it:     Also, I use feed n wax on my stocks with good results, however, I have heard that this stuff is rather acidic and can do damage over time, any truth to this?
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voodoorootbeer posted:I, too, support milsurp guns. Yay! I remember that quasi-nike-swoosh-looking-thingy just forward of the recoil bolt any day. What a great gun. She taking care of you?
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Cyrano4747 posted:If it's a dragoon it'll have a special stamp near the chamber. I forget what it is, but it's a three letter stamp, some upper case and some lower case. If I saw it again I could recognize it at least. Check 7.62x54.net - they'll know what it is. Are you talking about the Ka3 stamp, or is there another one?
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Space Cowboy posted:Are you talking about the Ka3 stamp, or is there another one? That's it. And Gewehr43, only you could ID a rifle based solely on the patterns in its wood grain.
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Cyrano4747 posted:That's it. Like a gun version of the dog whisperer or something... "Tonight on the rifle whisperer Gewehr43 finds out what Bob McBlob's M1 Garrand REALLY thinks of his abusive handling
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Milsurp has always been interesting to me, and after reading this thread, I'm likely going to get my C&R. Anyway, what are some good (as in cheap) rifles that can fire a rifle grenade? Also, where can I find some inert rifle grenades to play with?
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Stabby_McBitchslap posted:Milsurp has always been interesting to me, and after reading this thread, I'm likely going to get my C&R. Anyway, what are some good (as in cheap) rifles that can fire a rifle grenade? Also, where can I find some inert rifle grenades to play with? The easiest way to get set up for rifle grenades is probably a Yugo SKS with the grenade launcher on it. You'd need to modify the rifle grenades a bit if they're standard NATO trainers, but it doesn't take much. You can also do the same with a Garand if you get one of the after marktet flash hiders. All of the NATO training grenades fit on any rifle with a NATO flash hider.
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Cyrano4747 posted:That's it. The Ka3 stamp denotes cossack rifles. They are the same as dragoons except they were issued and sighted in without bayonets. They have that stamp on the barrel and on the sights. They where made for a shorter time and the production numbers I've seen show about 4 million dragoons vs. 1 million cossacks vs. 14 million 91/30s. I didn't think there was a way to tell whether it was a 91 or dragoon that had been reworked, but all the ones like that I've seen have been referred to as ex-dragoons. M91s were cut down to make 91/38s, which were the same length as an m38, but I'm not sure why anyone would bother to cut just two inches off to convert an m91 to a 91/30. I could be wrong however.
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Cyrano4747 posted:All of this is 100% spot-on. S&K and B-Square are the two big names in the milsurp scoping business and their non-destructive mounts won't gently caress up your rifle in any way. I had a S&K mount on my K31 for almost two years and it worked great. Of the folks who make scope mounts that non-destructively attach to the K31, which is best for the left-handed/left-eyed shooters among us?
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Cyrano4747 posted:And Gewehr43, only you could ID a rifle based solely on the patterns in its wood grain.  I sold him that rifle after restoring it. I got it from J&G and its bore was a sewer pipe. Still it put up some of the best groups I've seen from an RC gun. The bore eventually cleaned up from shooting as well. It turned out to be a real diamond in the rough. And yes, when you take such a sentimental attachment to a rifle, you begin to remember odd characteristics like strange marks on the wood and such. 
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The St. Marie mount clamps onto the right side of the receiver, so the scope would probably be at an awkward angle for a good cheekweld if you shoot lefty.
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Space Cowboy posted:The Ka3 stamp denotes cossack rifles. They are the same as dragoons except they were issued and sighted in without bayonets. They have that stamp on the barrel and on the sights. They where made for a shorter time and the production numbers I've seen show about 4 million dragoons vs. 1 million cossacks vs. 14 million 91/30s. When you put it that way, it doesn't make any sense, but I just thought I heard that all the M91s were cut down to dragoon size. That and all new production rifles at the time became the 91/30. Only later, in 1938 did they introduce the carbine version and then cut down some more as well as making new rifles. I just checked world.guns.ru and it says that in 1923 the Red Army abandoned the infantry and Cossack version, leaving only the dragoon model. I don't know if that means they cut down the old ones at that time or simple started making only dragoons. At the very least that means mine was originally a dragoon, as it was made in 1923.
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Gewehr 43 posted:Yay! I remember that quasi-nike-swoosh-looking-thingy just forward of the recoil bolt any day. What a great gun. She taking care of you? It's defending my home from the loving communist horde as we speak. Seriously though, it's so easy to be accurate with and I love shooting it.
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Cyrano4747 posted:The first one has had its barrel threaded by a previous owner. That's a post-military alteration and, although it was common with Swedish sports shooters, something that I'd ding a rifle considerably for having, price-wise. Also, yeah, the Swedes were very harsh with their bore grading. Mine is a 3, and looks about brand new to me, and shoots like it has completely virgin barrel.
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 ATTN Canadian Milsurp Goons I just finished buying a few hundred rounds of 7.62x54r for about .75 a round. If anybody wants to get in on this, let me know. It's the best price I've been able to find in Canada right now.
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