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My Spanish-American War collection.   
Illegal Clown fucked around with this message at Jun 18, 2008 around 19:50 |
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| # ? May 24, 2013 05:06 |
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Illegal Clown posted:My Spanish-American War collection. Very cool. I love those old trap door mausers. If you really want to go a little  imagine being armed with one of those and going up against Spanish soldiers armed with the m93 mauser - basically a small ring action Mauser rifle that the Springfield '03 was directly copied from.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2008 09:32 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Very cool. I love those old trap door mausers. Yeah, I like the scene in the TV movie Rough Riders when Teddy Roosevelt tells of how the ordnance guy tried to issue them black powder Springfields and said they could hide behind the smoke screen. I guess the 1st Volunteer Cav was the only volunteer unit issued Krags for the war. In reading the For Collectors Only books on these gun I found a neat story about the first soldiers issued Krags. I wish I had the book at hand to quote because it was very nicely worded, but it said how on forts across the country crates of new rifles would arrive and the soldiers would strip down to their trousers, disassemble their new rifles, and rub them down with kerosine to remove the cosmoline. Meanwhile, the cavalry and artillery troopers could only watch with envy, as it would be another year before they were issued Krags. It was nice to see that people have been forced to deal with cosmoline throughout the ages. Another cool story I read was that during the Boxer Rebellion soldiers would hide looted jewels in the lightening holes and buttstock storage compartments. I guess for collectors it's kind of like the Swiss name tags under the buttplate, but only much cooler.
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| # ? Jun 19, 2008 11:33 |
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I was looking through my boxes of storage and found my original sling for my Russian SKS. It has a cool paint stamp on it: HUGE! also loving cats 
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| # ? Jun 19, 2008 16:48 |
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Is there any organization or group that holds practical shooting competition with vintage-style or C&R weapons? I look at my M1 Garand, M1 Carbine and that Springer Mil-Spec 1911 I've got my eye on and think evil thoughts.
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| # ? Jun 20, 2008 17:23 |
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Pick up a trench broom and do Heavy Metal 3-gun.
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| # ? Jun 20, 2008 17:34 |
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OpRodSpring posted:Is there any organization or group that holds practical shooting competition with vintage-style or C&R weapons? NRA shooting competitions typically have a "Vintage" class which shoots C&R service rifles. It may be classified as "Garand" some places.
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 01:38 |
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Update on the S&K Mosin scope mount fiasco: She holds, captain! Loctite was all it needed. Loctite everywhere. It held just fine through about 40 rounds when I went to dispose of a monitor today (and taught a newbie how to shoot, as per the War Department video, while I was at it), and I can finally get down to zeroing that bitch. Note on the newbie: He was never really interested in shooting, but after I taught him to shoot and it actually didn't hurt his shoulder as much (he was shocked), he says his attitude towards it has really changed. Maybe I've got a new perforation buddy. 
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 02:12 |
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Hay guyz, can I play? My very first rifle, a Russian capture K98 from 1943. It had cosmoline all over it when i got it so i stripped it and refinished it. Tomorrow I'm going to put a clear coat gloss on it but right now it looks pretty sexay. No stamping pics today as my camera sucks in low light, but I'll get some tomorrow, hopefully.    
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 02:37 |
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No don't gloss it please, it's so pretty
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 03:44 |
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mikerock posted:No don't gloss it please, it's so pretty Haha, well thank you. It's my first time even attempting to mess with the finish on a rifle, so I'm pretty happy with it, but I want to give it the same glossy sheen that they usually have. Trust me, it'll still look good, or else I wouldn't do it. 
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 03:51 |
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They don't usually have a glossy sheen though
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 03:53 |
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Well most of the K98s I've see that are in original condition have some kind of coating on them. Some do, some don't. I happen to like them better with the glossy finish. Here's a Google Image Search where several of the few pictures that are actually the K98 sport the finish that I'm aiming for. Not trying to be all neener-neener told you so about it, just saying it's out there.  It's not crazy glossy, just enough to not be totally matte wood like it is now.Anyway, here are the pics the seller took of the gun. Believe me, they give the old finish far more credit than it deserved.  
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 04:06 |
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well shellac has a shiny lustre but as far as I know BLO doesn't (at least from what I have seen)
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 04:59 |
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Hi Cows! Picked it up today at CMP north. SA receiver and barrel, HRA bolt and op-rod. What else am I looking for? How do you adjust sight elevation during zeroing? The stick is a bit sticky, any non destructive refinishing I can do?
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 05:42 |
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Skyssx posted:Hi Cows! Cyrano has a good refinishing guide on the wiki but you've probably checked it out already. If you want to just instantly have nice wood, though, Midway is having a sale on Boyds' stock sets. This option is not nearly as much fun. http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpa...7223&t=11082005
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 05:58 |
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Hells no I don't want a new stock! They had plenty of new black walnut stocked guns at the CMP store. I specifically found a good looking stock and rifle with some crisp cartouches. EDIT: I read the whole article, it looks pretty comprehensive. You can see on the rifle where soldiers gripped the stock and left hand oils behind. Any tips on steaming? We've got a professional iron in the house, it boils the water in a pressure reservoir and puts out pure steam into the iron head through a hose. Plenty of little nicks from use, some not so little ones from shipping. I've got the K31s, a M44, this M1, I still need an Enfield and a Mauser, but at this point I wouldn't consider buying a Mauser from anyone but a forum Deutchebag. Skyssx fucked around with this message at Jun 21, 2008 around 06:19 |
| # ? Jun 21, 2008 06:05 |
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Having now a wonderfully complete and amazing K31, a question arises. The 7.5 Swiss I think mikes out at .306. It seems generally agreed that my M44 can accurately shoot .308 bullets, but I think my father goes too far to claim that the K31 can shoot .308 bullets seated into 7.5 Swiss brass. Can anyone confirm or deny his lofty claim?
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 06:12 |
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Skyssx posted:Hells no I don't want a new stock! Phew! Good man. I was hoping you'd say that. Can't help you with steaming, though. I never had to deal with that - just lots of cosmoline.
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 06:27 |
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Oh yeah, what parts do I need to check to make a "correct" rifle? The only stamps I can find are on the receiver, barrel, op-rod and bolt. Are all the rest just based on picture comparisons? I could possibly go back, find a HRA rifle with a SA bolt and op-rod, refinish both stocks and sell the HRA.
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 06:32 |
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Marshmallow Cannon posted:Well most of the K98s I've see that are in original condition have some kind of coating on them. Some do, some don't. I happen to like them better with the glossy finish. Here's a Google Image Search where several of the few pictures that are actually the K98 sport the finish that I'm aiming for. Not trying to be all neener-neener told you so about it, just saying it's out there. I made the mistake of adding a glossy coat to my K98 and Ive regretted it every day since. Please just leave it oiled.
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 12:22 |
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Glockamole posted:Having now a wonderfully complete and amazing K31, a question arises. The 7.5 Swiss I think mikes out at .306. It seems generally agreed that my M44 can accurately shoot .308 bullets, but I think my father goes too far to claim that the K31 can shoot .308 bullets seated into 7.5 Swiss brass. Can anyone confirm or deny his lofty claim? confirm
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 19:02 |
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So if I have a C&R license, can people buy C&R eligible weapons online and have them shipped to me, then transfer to them? Is this dealer-like activity? I'd probably be doing it two or three times a year tops if is legit. I recently applied for my C&R license and my friend made a comment to the tune of "hope you dont mind SKS's arriving at your door" so it got me thinking a bit. Thanks gents.
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| # ? Jun 21, 2008 23:59 |
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Reverend Zero posted:So if I have a C&R license, can people buy C&R eligible weapons online and have them shipped to me, then transfer to them? Is this dealer-like activity? I'd probably be doing it two or three times a year tops if is legit. that's a straw purchase, so it wouldn't be kosher
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 00:58 |
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Marshmallow Cannon posted:Well most of the K98s I've see that are in original condition have some kind of coating on them. Some do, some don't. I happen to like them better with the glossy finish. Here's a Google Image Search where several of the few pictures that are actually the K98 sport the finish that I'm aiming for. Not trying to be all neener-neener told you so about it, just saying it's out there. Christ on a crutch, I go to Berlin for one day and you fuckers are already talking about doing horrible stuff to stocks that don't deserve that kind of treatment. DONT put a glossy coat on that stock. No mauser, ever, had anything other than that nice, matte wood finish you're seeing. The ones that you might be thinking of that look like they have a glossy-ish finish are the REALLY old guns that have 90+ years of oil that's naturally polymerized into a semi-gloss looking finish and which, through 90+ years of handling, have had the wood fibers closed off and sealed up in such a way that they reflect light. Leave your gun as it is now, that's perfect looking for a K98k. This is what a truly non-hosed with K98k stock looks like. It came to me on a Kar98a, but it's a WW2 era K98k stock:  Listen to Miso. I asked him, begged him, not to do that to his stock, and ever since he's been looking for ways to take that off without sanding it. Your K98k is not a hunting rifle. It should not have a shiny stock. When they DID have shiny stocks soldiers would sand them and rub motor oil and poo poo into them because shiny stock = hey I can see you! = you get shot. An RC isn't exactly a vet bringback in terms of value, but your gun will look loving stupid if you put a gloss coat on there and I will mock you, repeatedly. Skyssx posted:Hi Cows! That stickyness is just cosmolene. You do NOT want to refinish the vast majority of CMP stocks, as most of them still have their original finish on them. That finish was achieved by literally YEARS of rubbing in coats of BLO when maintaining the rifle and is impossible to reproduce. That guide I wrote is only for refinishing stocks that REALLY need it, such as cosmolene soaked rifles where it penitrated the wood and guns who's wood just sucks. CMP stocks are a generally a bit too high quality to warrant that. To take off that stickyness go out and get some denatured alcohol or mineral spirits, wet down a rag (NOT steel wool) with it and just gently wipe the stock down with it. Do that a few times and it shouldn't be sticky any more. Christ, you guys are way too eager to refinish old stocks. Refinishing is the LAST thing you do, after you've determined that you can't do anything else in a non-destructive manner to bring it back. Refinishing is, always, destructive and is a last resort when all else has failed. I think I mention that pretty prominantly in that refinishing article I wrote.
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 11:27 |
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Also, everyone should go look at Gewehr43's stylin new avatar  Many thanks to Infrared for helping me bypass my lovely German internet. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at Jun 22, 2008 around 14:22 |
| # ? Jun 22, 2008 12:34 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Also, everyone should go look at Gewehr43's stylin new avatar
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 13:19 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Refinishing is, always, destructive and is a last resort when all else has failed. I think I mention that pretty prominantly in that refinishing article I wrote. What about light steaming on dents only?
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 14:43 |
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Skyssx posted:What about light steaming on dents only? Personally? I don't go for it. A lot of the time the wood grain inside the dent has been fractured and it will never come out in the first place. Second, a lot of the time steaming discolors the wood in the area where you steamed it, mostly from oil in that area turning liquid and being forced out of the wood in that area. With a gun that's had the stock color changed a bit by cosmolene this can leave a permanent lighter spot. Third, it can raise the wood grain like you wouldn't believe. Fourth, a lot of the dents that people are trying to raise out really aren't that bad. Military surplus usually has them and it's utterly normal. Your gun, your call, but I've never really ever bothered with it.
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 15:14 |
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Skyssx posted:Hi Cows! Um. You were at CMP North at about what time on Friday? While there I overheard someone putting a crate on their bill. I assume that was you. The bulk of the SG Garands looked better than many of the CGs. You should have bought a HRA and a SA and swapped bolts IMHO. Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at Jun 22, 2008 around 16:21 |
| # ? Jun 22, 2008 16:15 |
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Fog Tripper posted:Um. You were at CMP North at about what time on Friday? Hah! That was me. Were you on the phone with someone talking about muzzle erosion on the available M1 carbines or were you the guy getting the Krag? The threw in the crate for free. I'm probably going to replace fasteners in the crate and put in a rack to hold my milsurp rifles when taking them to the range. I was actually just talking to my dad about the H&R/SA deal. I may do it when I go to get the IBM. I would just have to hope that the H&R I bought had a SA op-rod as well. I chose my M1 based on wood and metal condition, I didn't have gauges or anything. The rifling is sharp though. OT: Krags have neato magazines.
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 17:45 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:
I had to use some pretty caustic chemicals on my hardwood RC to get that poo poo off wihout sanding. I'm really afraid those caustic chemicals will damage my lamination so I'm just leaving it be for now.     Here's my hardwood now with a boiled linseed oil finish.     Here's my Laminate with a glossy finish. 
Miso Beno fucked around with this message at Jun 22, 2008 around 18:07 |
| # ? Jun 22, 2008 18:04 |
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gently caress gently caress gently caress Ok, my loss, possibly your gain, those with more disposable income... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=102805054 It's gone past any legitimate (or illegitimate, for that matter) bid I can scrape together - a Shansei .45 ACP Broomhandle Mauser. Still not up to the $2000-3500 opening bids I've seen recently, but then it doesn't have the stock, and has some association with the reviled Mitchell's Mausers. Is it original? Is it new(er) manufacture? Don't know, and if I could have swung it, I wouldn't care... as long as it worked. I know there's goons drooling over this besides me, and maybe they can do what I can't. I must go cry now. Although, that allows me to put my stimulus check elsewhere - still want a Garand, but might piss away less and get an AK for now, and save for the M-1.
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 19:07 |
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Hahaha this sounds worse than my abomination of an Ljungman http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ad.php?t=238893 CGN posted:They walk amonge us once more and are trying to out do themself Buba and his brother Forsoth drop this unique pice off for me to sell was customized by their grand dad the late great uncouth in his cave while makeing those drawings on the walls of the cave this recently uncoverd gem has had the stock cut or broke and has a hand forged side iron folder stock attached to it probly forged in grand dads fire pit when he was makeing charcoal for those cool drawing on the cave wall the wood has been painted black with a wood pistol grip added on no mag. no phots this gun is so ugly it has broke 6 cameras will trying to take a photo of it who ever buys it is stuck with it as a club boat anchor ect. the boys who I am selling this for set the price on this fine work (junk) of art.
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 19:28 |
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Ygolonac posted:gently caress gently caress gently caress Is it just me or do the fit and finish on that look like absolute garbage?
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 19:36 |
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Skyssx posted:Hah! That was me. Were you on the phone with someone talking about muzzle erosion on the available M1 carbines or were you the guy getting the Krag? I had just showed up shortly before that (about 12:10-ish). I was the tall lanky scruffy individual with the hat and Arizona orange "Dirt Shirt" on. My back was to you when you were asking about the crate. You weren't that animated fellow with a bald head and golf shirt eh? Many of those SGs were only one or 2 parts away from correct grade. All gauged quite nicely. You had a great selection to pick through overall. I chatted with George a little, and he was joking (he can be cruel) that there will be a great gnashing of teeth come July 7th, when many/most of these nice ones are already sold. Sounded like he did not expect this batch to last much longer.
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 20:13 |
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Alright then, so gloss is out of the question for my K98. What would you guys recommend that I used to finish it instead? Right now it's just the bare wood + the stain that I used. Preferably it has to be something that I can pick up cheap and local, like at a hardware store.
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 21:01 |
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well traditionally they're finished with boiled linseed oil (BLO)
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 21:03 |
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Ygolonac posted:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=102805054
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| # ? Jun 22, 2008 21:23 |
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AlextheNotYetGreat posted:How tough are Mosin M91s to come by, and how much should I expect to pay for one? I'll go for a 91/30 if it's more than 700 but I don't think Nicholas II would ever forgive me if I took the anti-Tsarist weapon first. Do yourself a favor and grab one of these Finn capture m1891s before they disappear (Down to 2 at time of posting)
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