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TheReverend posted:Also see how the primer had red paint stuff? Some of that is still on my bolt. That is just paint right, not the evil salts of despair? I have the same thing happen to me when I shoot golden tiger out of my AK. It's just the sealant and won't hurt your bolt face. You'll know rust when you see it.
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Cyrano--I think I'd like to get a repro cleaning rod with my K98k since Classic Arms has them--if I end up with the rifle we talked about, the 1940, that means I want to get the 12" rod, since that was what was issued with 1940 and on? Is this correct? Should I even get one?
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Cyrano4747 posted:For a bolt action rifle, yeah. They don't wear out SUPER fast or anything, but they're just more prone to breakage than a mauser or the like. Look at an enfield or a mosin extractor - it's a small bent or milled lip of metal that sits in a recess in the bolt. This is a bit odd, as my M44 slings spent shells when I pull the bolt like a loving bat out of hell, but my K98k kind of pulls the shell back and then it sits in the action, making it so I have to reach in with one hand, grab the spent casing and throw it aside before pushing the bolt forward again to fire. I've put maybe 10 rounds through the K98k, and well over three hundred through the M44 just in recent memory, so it's not any additional wear on the K98, but I didn't exactly detail strip it and clean everything looking for problems, either. Has the stock exchange/refinish program you talked about already started or could I volunteer my RC K98k for it? Mine is still in "oil-oozes-out-with-every-shot" condition if you want a really ugly POS to start with. >  EDIT: And Gewehr/anybody else on here that has one, if you've got the time and don't mind dealing with a complete newbie on this, what would you recommend as far as gun safes/storage for someone considering applying for an FFL 01? Athelas fucked around with this message at Aug 12, 2008 around 15:25 |
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gauss posted:Cyrano--I think I'd like to get a repro cleaning rod with my K98k since Classic Arms has them--if I end up with the rifle we talked about, the 1940, that means I want to get the 12" rod, since that was what was issued with 1940 and on? Is this correct? Should I even get one? Cleaning rod length is dependent upon when the stock was made, not when the action was made. When you get the gun, pull the rear (sling loop) band off. If you see an obvious chunk of metal under the band on the bottom of the stock, you need a 10" rod. If you don't, you need a 12" rod.
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Gewehr 43 posted:Cleaning rod length is dependent upon when the stock was made, not when the action was made. When you get the gun, pull the rear (sling loop) band off. If you see an obvious chunk of metal under the band on the bottom of the stock, you need a 10" rod. If you don't, you need a 12" rod. Ah, thanks very much. Simple enough, I'll just wait til I have the rifle in hand before I get the cleaning rod. Cheers.
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oh man I think I'm glad I waited an extra day to order, whole new batch of K98ks that are in better condition. http://classicarms.us/firearms.htm quote:42, 1939, SER # 2764U - HARDWOOD. FLAT, A REALLY NICE HIGH END PRIME EXAMPLE OF AN ORIGINAL MAUSER FACTORY K-98 RIFLE. PROMINANT DUAL WAR EAGLES , PLUS 3 WAFFENAMPS. SERIAL #'S FACTORY MATCH ON BBL, REC, AND STOCK. STOCK IS A REALLY PRETTY WALNUT WITH A NATURAL OIL FINISH, NICE COLOR AND A REALLY PRETTY BLACK WALNUT GRAIN PATTERN. STOCK HAS SMALL CARTOUCHE STAMPINGS IN THE RIGHT HAND SIDE INCLUDING A NICE WAR EAGLE. ALL METAL SURFACES LOOK VIRTUALLY NEW WITH A DEEP DARK BLACK REALLY CONSISTANT MID GLOSS BLUE. BORE IS BRIGHT LIKE A MIRROR WITH SHARP LANDS AND GROOVES. SHOWS EVIDENCE OF HAVING BEEN FIRED BUT STILL NRA EXCELLENT. WITH ROD. THIS IS A VERY NICE HIGH END RIFLE..... $319.95 This is 70 dollars over the other rifle I was looking at... geez, I'd almost feel bad about making such a great rifle a regular shooter. Would it be a crime? 
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gauss posted:oh man I think I'm glad I waited an extra day to order, whole new batch of K98ks that are in better condition. Guns are meant to be fired. To me it's a crime to get a gun and never shoot it once.
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What is your guy's favorite "breed" of lead core 54r. Is all 54r milsurp more or less the same or is some stuff out right now that is "the poo poo"?
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Illegal Clown posted:Guns are meant to be fired. To me it's a crime to get a gun and never shoot it once. Amen brother. Ordering that gun at lunch with likely 900 rounds of Yugo 8mm.
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mikerock posted:If you're shooting corrosive ammo, which you have been, you need to do more than just a couple of passes with a bore snake. Um, sorry mike, but this is pretty much 100% wrong. When you clean for corrosive all you need to do is get the salt residues that the primers leave behind in the barrel and on the bolt face off. One wet patch with hoppes is enough. I've done a single hoppes-pass with the bore snake and then wiping the bolt face (the only part of the bolt exposed to the primer) off with a little rag soaked in hoppes for years now with no ill effects. Of course, if you're shooting a semi-auto you also have to rinse off the gas system. If you have anything funky like a pierced primer that dumps smoke and residue into your action, then you need to do the full clean. But for every day shooting? A single pass with a wet boresnake or patch is enough. Also, unless you live in a rain forest your gun won't rust sitting in your safe for a month or two without being soaked in grease and CLP. gauss posted:Cyrano--I think I'd like to get a repro cleaning rod with my K98k since Classic Arms has them--if I end up with the rifle we talked about, the 1940, that means I want to get the 12" rod, since that was what was issued with 1940 and on? Is this correct? Should I even get one? Gewehr43's right, but the Classic Arms guys aren't idiots. They'll put the correct cleaning rod for your stock on the gun. Also, yeah, get it. The Classic Arms cleaning rod deal is one of the better ones out there for making your gun look correct. It really does make them look more 'right' also. Athelas posted:This is a bit odd, as my M44 slings spent shells when I pull the bolt like a loving bat out of hell, but my K98k kind of pulls the shell back and then it sits in the action, making it so I have to reach in with one hand, grab the spent casing and throw it aside before pushing the bolt forward again to fire. Are you working the action vigorously? It sounds to me like you're either cycling the action REALLY gently or your the spring in the bolt release is a bit worn. The bolt release does double duty as the part of the gun that kicks the brass out when the spent cartridge rides over it as you cycle it. A lot of older rifles have springs in there that are really worn, so the part that kicks the shell out isn't poking out far enough. Either replace the entire assembly (pretty cheap) or the just the spring (really cheap, but they're a bit fiddly to get out and get back in). If you end up replacing the whole assembly drop me a line and I'll buy the old one with the dead spring off you for $5. Also, does your stock still have the shellac on it? Take a picture of it if you're not sure. I've already got a (kinda - what's the news on that G43?) offer from Gewehr 43 and from a goon who's local to Chapel Hill but who hasn't bought the rifle yet. If they end up coming through I'll still do yours, but you would have to pay shipping both ways, which won't come to more than $20 or $30. If anyone else is interested, the offer is still open. Once I get the one that I NEED for that update I'll still take extras (I like refinishing stocks and the more examples I can show of what different types of K98k wood look like, the better - they're quite diverse) as long as people pay the shipping both ways instead of splitting it like I am for the first one. PM me or email me at haeberlin at gmail dot com if you're interested. gauss posted:oh man I think I'm glad I waited an extra day to order, whole new batch of K98ks that are in better condition. But that rifle. Do it today. My first K98k was an RC 1939 "42" rifle. That's basically pre-war Oberndorf, the original factory and one of the nicest ones. My "42" is my favorite shooting Mauser. It will be a great shooter for you and a hell of a nice rifle to boot. Seriously, that's the one you want. Intact swastikas too. gently caress those other ones, get that one. It's worth the extra $70. edit: Pics of mine:   Also, if anyone's wondering what happens when I get done taking shellac off, mine looked like this before:  And this after:  A closeup of the wood: 
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Also if my receiver is stamped 1926 is it likely it saw "action"? Because the wood seems to be in pretty good condition which leads me to believe it was not.
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TheReverend posted:Also if my receiver is stamped 1926 is it likely it saw "action"? Because the wood seems to be in pretty good condition which leads me to believe it was not. The wood is almost certainly post-war. The Russians replaced a lot of stocks during the rearsenal process, at the same time that they refinished them. Chances are your rifle was used during the war in some capacity. Whether that was as a front line infantry combat arm or slung over the shoulder of some railway guard 2000 miles behind the front lines we'll never know.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Are you working the action vigorously? It sounds to me like you're either cycling the action REALLY gently or your the spring in the bolt release is a bit worn. The bolt release does double duty as the part of the gun that kicks the brass out when the spent cartridge rides over it as you cycle it. A lot of older rifles have springs in there that are really worn, so the part that kicks the shell out isn't poking out far enough. Either replace the entire assembly (pretty cheap) or the just the spring (really cheap, but they're a bit fiddly to get out and get back in). I use the same amount of "force" that I use on the M44's action, which is probably a lot more than either rifle really need, so I'm guessing you're right about the spring. quote:Also, does your stock still have the shellac on it? Take a picture of it if you're not sure. Yeah, the stock looks like your "before" shot above, except "dirtier" (though I don't know if that's because of the wood itself or grimy crap that's embedded in the shellac, I haven't really spent near as much time lately on my K98k as I wanted to when I got it, loving day job  ).quote:I've already got a (kinda - what's the news on that G43?) offer from Gewehr 43 and from a goon who's local to Chapel Hill but who hasn't bought the rifle yet. If they end up coming through I'll still do yours, but you would have to pay shipping both ways, which won't come to more than $20 or $30. Will send a PM when I get home from work.
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I'm looking to order a Service grade M1 Garand from the CMP soon, is there anything I should be aware of before I send my order? Any special requests to ask of them? Or is it all just luck of the draw with what gun I get? Also I'm assuming I want a SA Garand...am I wrong? Also, I really want an M1 Carbine, but they are all out of service grade. Is rack grade worth it, or would it be better in the long run just to wait till they get more service grades in?
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Oh well, that sucked. Even though I was careful to set up all the FFL stuff with the guy in town last week, he apparently spam-filtered out my email, thus not getting it faxed in to Classic Arms, thus losing any chance at the really top shelf K98ks. It's faxed in now but I'm back to having to pick from the peened stock. The peening doesn't bother me but the other rifles were just in better condition overall and cleaning rod intact. Guess that's what I get for not getting my C&R months ago like I was contemplating.
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gauss posted:Oh well, that sucked. Even though I was careful to set up all the FFL stuff with the guy in town last week, he apparently spam-filtered out my email, thus not getting it faxed in to Classic Arms, thus losing any chance at the really top shelf K98ks.  Bad FFL's make me sad.
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gauss posted:Oh well, that sucked. Even though I was careful to set up all the FFL stuff with the guy in town last week, he apparently spam-filtered out my email, thus not getting it faxed in to Classic Arms, thus losing any chance at the really top shelf K98ks. That sucks, are you sure you're totally out of luck on the nicer RCs? The other ones aren't exactly dogs (all Classic Arms RCs are a good step above the rest) but still. Did they tell you they're sold out of them already?
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Cyrano4747 posted:That sucks, are you sure you're totally out of luck on the nicer RCs? The other ones aren't exactly dogs (all Classic Arms RCs are a good step above the rest) but still. Did they tell you they're sold out of them already? Just talked to classicarms myself and they are out of all their non-peened k98s. Bummer. I was about to order one.
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Cyrano4747 posted:That sucks, are you sure you're totally out of luck on the nicer RCs? The other ones aren't exactly dogs (all Classic Arms RCs are a good step above the rest) but still. Did they tell you they're sold out of them already? Yeah, I checked. The specials that were only put up this morning of the un-peened of which I was looking at are all completely sold by 3:00, who knows if they even made it to noon. They've got ~60 or so left total of their K98ks but they'll be parceling them out just every once in a while in special sales like these. Could be a while. I'm disappointed but not really put out. That would have been a great first rifle but whatever, I think that #3015DD was meant to be. On the other hand, I was hemming and hawing about the M39 if I were to upgrade on the higher quality K98k but I think I'll be ordering it again.
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Disregard this post, figured it out.
gauss fucked around with this message at Aug 12, 2008 around 21:03 |
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 http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/..._8mm_Rifle.html  quote:Item#Cent-M53 Then you could get one of these: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=106958177 or this http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...?Item=106958175 
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Cyrano, that "German Mauser" turned out to be a Turk.
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B4Ctom1 posted:
Wow, those parts kits were only $300 about 2 years ago. Also, lol at that picture from Pvt Ryan. Check out what the rear sight is at. They've got it cranked out for 2km suppression fire.
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Report on cleaning up my No1Mk3. It was actually very easy. Bit of a pain to break down fully and get back together, but other than that it was easy. I broke it down except for the trigger group and bolt (lol no tool). The stock had some grease in it, cleaned that up with some general household wood cleaner and it came out very nice. The metal bits I hit with that carbon blast poo poo made by BreakFree (or whomever). That cleaned it up easy. The barrel that I was kinda worried about took some carbon blast, some CLP, and three passes with a bore snake. Cleaned it up perfectly, and the rifling looks great. It was a lot less work than I had feared, although I was in nitrile outer gloves covered with stuff for a bit. Getting it back together was a bitch, but it works nicely now. Taking the safety apart, cleaning it, and reattaching it fixed the "loose safety" issue I had. Now, I've got all my parts I need to finish up my SMLE (sling bits). Bandolier was even easy to find, so I'll order one tomorrow. Getting a cloth one. Only problem is a loving stock disc. I can't seem to find any. Well, there's a guy selling blank ones on ebay (gently caress ebay) and another in the UK (lol shipping). So yeah. I wouldn't mind getting a blank one and stamping it myself with a "cool" unit, but drat. No pics because my camera thinks focusing on objects closer than 10 feet is beneath it or something. ArmaliteSpade fucked around with this message at Aug 13, 2008 around 01:16 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Also, lol at that picture from Pvt Ryan. Check out what the rear sight is at. They've got it cranked out for 2km suppression fire. I was wondering.
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Anyone have any opinions on the M39 mosins sold by classic arms? They are kinda pricey but I assume they are worth it? I'm looking to get one and wanted some opinions before I dropped the cash. I know the gun is some great milsurp but I wanted to make sure classic arms stock is worth it. Also, what is the difference between the two barrels you can select from there, the SB Barrel or Valmet barrel?
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Damo posted:Anyone have any opinions on the M39 mosins sold by classic arms? They are kinda pricey but I assume they are worth it? I'm looking to get one and wanted some opinions before I dropped the cash. I know the gun is some great milsurp but I wanted to make sure classic arms stock is worth it. Also, what is the difference between the two barrels you can select from there, the SB Barrel or Valmet barrel? Classic Arms is pretty much the milsurp supplier in my experience. As for SB or Valmet barrels, that's got to do with the factory that manufactured them, and I'd wager Cyrano could tell you more about it than me.
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Damo posted:Anyone have any opinions on the M39 mosins sold by classic arms? They are kinda pricey but I assume they are worth it? I'm looking to get one and wanted some opinions before I dropped the cash. I know the gun is some great milsurp but I wanted to make sure classic arms stock is worth it. Also, what is the difference between the two barrels you can select from there, the SB Barrel or Valmet barrel? Classic arms is the poo poo and I recommend them whole heartedly. They're easily the best major milsurp seller out there right now. The only site I've ever seen give better descriptions is our very own Gewehr 43's Southern Michigan Arms, and his stock is usually about 100th as big as Classic Arms and geared towards the serious collector poo poo ($1.5k all matching K98ks and $2-4k G/K43s). And yes, an M39 is worth it. Those are NOT your typical Mosin. They were built by Finland and had a minimum acceptance requirement of 1.5 MOA. They're accurate as poo poo. They might have the same action as the Russian Mosins, but that's about where it ends. They're far superior in every single way. As an upshot, they are chambered in the same x54r round, so you can use cheap ammo with them. As far as Sako vs Valmet barrels, that's just different manufacturing locations. As far as quality, there's no difference. I tend to like Sako guns a bit better, just because Sako is still a really famous name in quality, precision rifles. Valmet was more of an industrial concern. I think they make tractors and other heavy machinery now, although I could be wrong on that. Basically whatever floats your boat.
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I'm selling my Longbranch enfield so I was taking some pics of it today. Then I got bored and took pics of my SKS and my AIM Enfield. If you're interested in my Enfield, the top one, check out gunboards, arfcom equip exchange and a couple other sale forums and you'll find it.     
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Cyrano4747 posted:Classic arms is the poo poo and I recommend them whole heartedly. They're easily the best major milsurp seller out there right now. The only site I've ever seen give better descriptions is our very own Gewehr 43's Southern Michigan Arms, and his stock is usually about 100th as big as Classic Arms and geared towards the serious collector poo poo ($1.5k all matching K98ks and $2-4k G/K43s). I'd say Southern Michigan Arms is the best site I've ever seen for this kind of stuff. It's so user friendly and the descriptions are way more than the average site that simply gives a general description of what the guns are. I really appreciate a picture and detailed description so I know exactly what it is I'm buying. The thing that sets it above Classic Arms is the professional appearance of the website. I know everyone says the people at Classic Arms are awesome and simply the best ever, and I believe it. However, the all caps Jesus loves softball style continues to turn me off from them. If I had to choose between similar products I'd rather buy from G43 even though I'd probably have to pay a little more, especially with the sales tax. Basically he has everything I like about Classic Arms and a little more.
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So I picked up my Mossberg 44 and took some poorly lit and processed pictures At the same time i bought the mossberg, I ordered a scope mount from Havlin, and put an old Weaver 3-6 rimfire scope on it. I also had to order a replacement rear peep disc, but everything came together as it is.    I think the Stock definitely needs a little work, it may look kind of ok, but its got oil stains near the trigger guard, wax buildups, and other things.  Just wearing the Peep is cool too  One of the neatest things about this is that the front sight is your choice. You swing out and lock the one you want to use from the four different choices. Hopefully i'll be hitting the range today to try it out
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Illegal Clown posted:I'd say Southern Michigan Arms is the best site I've ever seen for this kind of stuff. It's so user friendly and the descriptions are way more than the average site that simply gives a general description of what the guns are. I really appreciate a picture and detailed description so I know exactly what it is I'm buying. The thing that sets it above Classic Arms is the professional appearance of the website. I know everyone says the people at Classic Arms are awesome and simply the best ever, and I believe it. However, the all caps Jesus loves softball style continues to turn me off from them. If I had to choose between similar products I'd rather buy from G43 even though I'd probably have to pay a little more, especially with the sales tax. Basically he has everything I like about Classic Arms and a little more. Wow. Thanks, man. 
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Gewehr 43 posted:Wow. Thanks, man. I'm still not giving you any of my money! Or at least not yet. 
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Not strictly milsurp but I am excited as I ordered some East German furniture that shipped today for a double stack accepting WASR-10 that I bought in commemoration of the Georgia conflict (am I a bad person?). It'll be shooting in a competition on Sunday against ARs and Garands. Wish me luck! I will provide pictures of my bastard commie AK as soon as I get it all assembled.
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Paramemetic posted:Not strictly milsurp but I am excited as I ordered some East German furniture that shipped today for a double stack accepting WASR-10 that I bought in commemoration of the Georgia conflict (am I a bad person?). It'll be shooting in a competition on Sunday against ARs and Garands. Wish me luck! I will provide pictures of my bastard commie AK as soon as I get it all assembled. Oddly enough, I do kind of consider that milsurp. I bought a Romy AK kit based solely on the fact that I was assured that the serial numbers on it were all matching. Realistically (well, barring a lottery win and a change in NC law) that's the closest I'm ever going to come to a milsurp AK.
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GodlessCommie posted:I'm selling my Longbranch enfield so I was taking some pics of it today. Nice rifle, why are you selling it? I just received my new really old gun. I don't know exactly when it was produced but it could be as old as 120 years. It was originally an 1888 Commission rifle. It was re-arsenaled at some point around or before WW1, and then again by the Turks in 1935. It's a hodge podge of parts from all three reworks.   What would this stamp mean? It's on some sort of possible repair on the floorplate of the magazine. An "e" in what looks like a bell with 1914 underneath.  Here's the Turkish arsenal rework stamp.  Underneath it you can sort of make out some letters from the original German marking. I think they're COE or LOE and then B or R and then IN. Possibly "LOEWE BERLIN"?  Neat old rifle with lots of history. There's lots of little German and Turkish stamps all over the rifle. Bore is dark but the rifling is strong. The previous owner shot it and got some good groups.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Oddly enough, I do kind of consider that milsurp. I suppose to be fair it is a military pattern rifle. A WASR isn't exactly a parts kit rifle (I love the fact that it is a "sports rifle" that comes equipped with a bayonet) but I am at least dressing it up in somewhat historically valuable clothing, so to speak. I need one of the nice helmets like you have, it'll go brilliantly with my border guard raincloak that I got from Sovietski back when it was still in business.
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So I finally got around to loading the pictures of my Mosin on the interwebs. The stock was refinished using Cyrano's instructions. I only put 3 coats of 100% BLO. I think it looks ok for my first time.  Compared to before...  Thanks for your help guys, I probably would have ruined it on my own. Granted its a cheap rear end gun but its a start. Now for a booze pic...  Wait thats not right...  Much better. Oh one last thing. I got a picture of the bore and I wanted to see what shape it was in, since im in no way qualified to make such judgements I'll let you all decide how intact it is. 
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Cyrano4747 posted:As far as Sako vs Valmet barrels, that's just different manufacturing locations. As far as quality, there's no difference. I tend to like Sako guns a bit better, just because Sako is still a really famous name in quality, precision rifles. Valmet was more of an industrial concern. I think they make tractors and other heavy machinery now, although I could be wrong on that. Basically whatever floats your boat. Valmet is a major manufacturer in the pulp and paper industry right now, nearly half the machines the company I work for supplies parts for were originally designed by them within the last ten years.
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CommiePinko posted:Oh one last thing. I got a picture of the bore and I wanted to see what shape it was in, since im in no way qualified to make such judgements I'll let you all decide how intact it is. I would call that bore "frosty with strong rifling." Shoot it a few times and it should clean right up.
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