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Why are IHC Garands so expensive? I kinda want one for AI-TFR combo nerdery but even stripped receivers are auctioning for over $1,000. As I understand it none of them are even close to WWII-era so why are they such collector's items?
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| # ? Apr 13, 2008 20:28 |
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| # ? May 20, 2013 08:44 |
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Pitch posted:Why are IHC Garands so expensive? I kinda want one for AI-TFR combo nerdery but even stripped receivers are auctioning for over $1,000. As I understand it none of them are even close to WWII-era so why are they such collector's items? Few numbers in comparison to the other manufacturers? quote:IHC Garands are all Korean War and post Korean War rifles....the records show there were 337,623 IHC M1 rifles built during the production runs.
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| # ? Apr 13, 2008 21:10 |
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 Anybody got more information about this scope mount? EDIT: Empire Arms posted:YUGOSLAVIAN Model 59 SKS semiautomatic SNIPER rifle # C-37793 (7.62x39) mfg. by Kragujevac in 1965. Excellent condition overall, metal and bore is excellent, with all-matching serial numbers. Has unusual scope-mount attached to left side of receiver (however no upper mount or scope is present). Wood is a little beat-up with some loss on left side just forward of the mount. Has cleaning-rod and blade-bayonet attached.
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| # ? Apr 13, 2008 21:12 |
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Groda posted:
If I remember correctly it is a Yugo scope mount. There were a number of Yugo SKSs imported to the US with these mounts. That scope rail looks almost like a PU scope mount. Here's a pic of a SKS sniper.  Here's a detail of the rail. It looks completely different than the one on the M59. 
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| # ? Apr 13, 2008 21:46 |
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Pretty much. They're also "extra collectible" because of the variations in how they stamped the heel - postage stamp, gaped stamp, and so on. Groda posted:
Yeah, a few of those come in every now and again with the various Yugo rifle shipments. First off, the SKSs that they slapped them on aren't really all that much more accurate than your average SKS - I'm guessing they just picked production rifles that grouped well for this conversion. It's a DM rifle, not a sniper rifle as the advertisers like to claim Second, beware buying one of these from anything other than an utterly reliable source. It's not all that hard to stick a repro PU mount on there if you're half way decent with at-home gunsmithing and I've heard of more than a few people making their own "repro SKS snipers." I wouldn't be surprised if these started hitting gunbroker and the like. Beyond that I don't know nearly enough to be able to tell a fake from a real one.
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| # ? Apr 13, 2008 21:57 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:It's not all that hard to stick a repro PU mount on there if you're half way decent with at-home gunsmithing and I've heard of more than a few people making their own "repro SKS snipers." But, that is a proper PU scope mount on there, right? I'm having trouble finding a picture of one without the scope in place.
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| # ? Apr 13, 2008 22:49 |
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Groda posted:But, that is a proper PU scope mount on there, right? I'm having trouble finding a picture of one without the scope in place. Hrm. . . now that I really look at it it seems a bit different from the Mosin PU mount. Not sure what type that is now. Your guess is as good as mine.
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| # ? Apr 13, 2008 22:53 |
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...p?Item=96882814 ENEMY AT THE GATES!!! 
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| # ? Apr 13, 2008 23:20 |
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Aeilerto posted:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...p?Item=96882814 That is a beautiful looking gun, though.
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 00:00 |
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I just want my tractor-gun. 
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 00:43 |
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Groda posted:That is a beautiful looking gun, though. Fair enough, but for the price of that I could buy a Finn Mosin ($300); http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...p?Item=97338495 2000 rounds of ammo ($320 for 8 cans) http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/...Yellow_Tip.html AND a George Foreman Grill to cook up some tasty burgers($100); http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...es&sName=George%20Foreman%20Grills&psid=MSNSHOPPING01&sid=IPx20070925x00002b Aeilerto fucked around with this message at Apr 14, 2008 around 01:28 |
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Pitch posted:Why are IHC Garands so expensive? In addition to the low numbers produced it appears that a bulk the production was loaned to countries we are no longer on good terms with (Iran is mentioned a lot), or simply sold. In which case they're never coming back. Some IHCs came back from South America during a special police offer in the 70-80s. The CMP says the last Greek shipment contained 6 IHC rifles. They didn't state the contents of their Paraguay stock which they got as a left over of said police sale, just that the rifles where not in the greatest condition. They did state they have broken down 18,000 for parts.
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 01:28 |
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Aeilerto posted:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vi...p?Item=96882814 As a side note, it's one of my biggest pet peeves when someone spells "Mosin" as "Moisin." 
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 01:50 |
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Anyone have any idea what the hell this is or why someone would call it "Finnish"? I thought I recalled hearing something about Japanese rifles being used by the Finns, but I'm not certain. http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=96763579
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 01:51 |
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DrPop posted:Anyone have any idea what the hell this is or why someone would call it "Finnish"? I thought I recalled hearing something about Japanese rifles being used by the Finns, but I'm not certain. Unless there's a SA stamp on it, very doubtful the Finns have it. How would they even get Japanese rifles? They got a bunch of Carcanos during the war. That's why almost all of the ones you see for sale now have a SA stamp on them. More then likely someone changed the caliber on the rifle so they could actually shoot it.
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 01:55 |
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GodlessCommie posted:Unless there's a SA stamp on it, very doubtful the Finns have it. How would they even get Japanese rifles? They got a bunch of Carcanos during the warKThat's why almost all of the ones you see for sale now have a SA stamp on them. More then likely someone changed the caliber on the rifle so they could actually shoot it. Not necessarially. Finland DID use a significant number of Arisakas. The Russians captured a bunch in the Russo-Japanese war, some of which the Fins inherited when they broke away from the USSR. Later on they also bought some during the period right after WW1 and in the early 20s where they were basically buying up any gun that would shoot at a russian. Most of the ones I've heard of were chambered in some Japanese caliber, however, and the Fins rotated them into reserve units pretty early on for supply reasons. A lot of those rifles were later sold to some baltic country (Estonia?), and some were later imported to the US. One interesting thing is the circles peened into the center of the mum. I'm pretty sure that's an arsenal-cancellation of the mum, something that was done when a gun was removed from imperial stocks but not destroyed. This was pretty much only done before the war - the after-war mum mutilations were mostly straight forward angle grinder jobs. That's the stamp of the Koishikawa arsenal in Tokyo (since there's no series stamp - if it had one it would be for Kokura, which replaced Koishikawa, which closed in 1935. The serial number looks pretty damned low, which would probably put this gun sometime before WW2. It also has the correct barrel proof stamp, as the B stamp was only used up through SN 800,000 or so. The Fins didn't SA stamp ALL their rifles (but they did get most), and only started using the stamp in 1942. By then they'd long relegated the Arisaka to reserve duties and sold off most of them, so an SA stamp not being on the gun would actually be pretty correct, come to think of it. Hell, for all I know if it went to some baltic country THEY might have rechambered it - a lot of them were using the Mauser in the 30s. Or it might have been done in someone's garage. tl;dr - That's actually the correct type of gun for a Finn purchase, it has the correct arsenal cancellation for a gun sold to a foreign country, and it's an early enough rifle to have been sold in the 20s. The lack of an SA stamp is not disturbing, since the Fins unloaded most of their Arisakas long before adopting the SA property mark. The Fins did not, however, rechamber any of their Japanese rifles - at least to the best of my knowledge. It is very plausable that it could have been rechambered by the next country that bought it, however. $200 seems pretty fair for it, honestly. Not as high as a "normal" version of that age would command, but still decent.
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 02:31 |
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A guy near me has a crate of Russian Mosin 38's, $109 each. What should I look for in terms of quality any reliability on the gun? Besides looking for a whole 'nother gun completely.
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 03:00 |
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Pitch posted:I just want my tractor-gun. We know how you feel. Just look at how many of us want an IBM Carbine. I can't be the only one who wants to color the IBM stamp with a bright blue crayon.
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Illegal Clown posted:We know how you feel. Just look at how many of us want an IBM Carbine. I can't be the only one who wants to color the IBM stamp with a bright blue crayon. I want one just so I can say "I'm gonna go take care of Business" every time I go to the range.
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Forum Hussy posted:I want one just so I can say "I'm gonna go take care of Business" every time I go to the range. When I mentioned to someone that they made rifles back then I said it was because they are International Business Machines for the only kind of international business going on at the time.
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BOrangeFury posted:A guy near me has a crate of Russian Mosin 38's, $109 each. What should I look for in terms of quality any reliability on the gun? Besides looking for a whole 'nother gun completely. I wrote guideline to buying milsurp a bit ago for the wiki.
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Forum Hussy posted:I want one just so I can say "I'm gonna go take care of Business" every time I go to the range. The line someone else used in the old CMP M1-Carbine thread was "I want an International Business Machine that has conducted Business Internationally."
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 04:09 |
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Doc Faustus posted:The line someone else used in the old CMP M1-Carbine thread was "I want an International Business Machine that has conducted Business Internationally." I should inlet an apple logo into the stock of an IBM carbine just to watch the fallout. Better yet, paint the stock in glossy white while I'm at it.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I should inlet an apple logo into the stock of an IBM carbine just to watch the fallout. I have an apple sticker on the outside of my jet-black thinkpad. This confuses people to no end. Actual content so this isn't a total waste: Since I don't think Gtab is reading this thread yet, can someone more knowledgeable give a little write-up on Tokarev pistols? A Tokarev is likely to be my second milsurp pistol (following the Nagant revolver).
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Cyrano4747 posted:I should inlet an apple logo into the stock of an IBM carbine just to watch the fallout. Don't forget that IBM Made the last two generations of Apple processors. 
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Doc Faustus posted:The line someone else used in the old CMP M1-Carbine thread was "I want an International Business Machine that has conducted Business Internationally." I'm proud of that. The blue crayon is a wonderful idea and shall be done. Anyone know how to get it out once I'm done?
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 06:23 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:I should inlet an apple logo into the stock of an IBM carbine just to watch the fallout. 
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 06:28 |
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Pitch posted:I could carve "It's a Jeep thing" into an IHC Garand stock but I don't think there are enough International Harvester owners left to get offended by it. Rice an Inland/GM one with Japanese components.
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 06:32 |
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Pitch posted:I could carve "It's a Jeep thing" into an IHC Garand stock but I don't think there are enough International Harvester owners left to get offended by it. Do it to a replacement stock.
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 06:32 |
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CmdrRat posted:I'm proud of that. Hot water on a rag. Failing that, a hair dryer and wipe the melted wax off with a rag.
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 11:00 |
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Aeilerto posted:Fair enough, but for the price of that I could buy a Finn Mosin ($300); oh sweet jesus that starting price Cyrano4747 posted:Not necessarially. Finland DID use a significant number of Arisakas. A Finn Arisaka makes me hard and my wallet loose. I think that might be my next summer gun. He mentions that he did a cast of the chamber. Can you tell me more about this? It sounds like it'd come in handy. Cyrano4747 posted:I should inlet an apple logo into the stock of an IBM carbine just to watch the fallout. Just wait till I get a Rock-Ola... Groda fucked around with this message at Apr 14, 2008 around 14:58 |
| # ? Apr 14, 2008 14:52 |
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Look this thread and the images in it are famous! http://www.somethingawful.com/d/for...4-08.php?page=2
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 21:14 |
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Posting to say UPS has given me a case of blue balls for delivering four hundred rounds of 7.62x54r today and teasing me with a promise to deliver the M44 from ClassicArms tomorrow. Box thread some time this week as I figure out how much cleaning and crap I have to do to it when it comes in.
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| # ? Apr 14, 2008 22:36 |
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How do I tell if an SKS is a Yugo?
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| # ? Apr 15, 2008 00:56 |
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Fifty Three posted:How do I tell if an SKS is a Yugo? Giant loving grenade launcher attachment on the end of the barrel and ladder sights for said grenade launcher. http://www.keepshooting.com/productimages/firearms/rifles/yugo_sks_riflebig.jpg
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| # ? Apr 15, 2008 01:07 |
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Wow, I wasn't aware that the Yugos were the only SKSs with a grenade launcher attachment. That should be easy to tell. 
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| # ? Apr 15, 2008 01:32 |
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HuskerDu posted:Giant loving grenade launcher attachment on the end of the barrel and ladder sights for said grenade launcher.
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| # ? Apr 15, 2008 01:32 |
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OK, if the returned gun is totally thrashed, CMP will strip it for parts? Someone was telling me over the weekend that at the gunshop he'd worked at, a lot of people were bringing in CMP Garands (with paperwork) that had "Chinese red wood" furniture and barrels shot smooth... and these were supposedly the "most expensive" ones. (He kind of backed up the bullshit train by then claiming that it was a 1-in-500 chance of getting a shitbox, but considering he'd already claimed to have seen "many" like that, it would seem that Washington/Idaho got a ridiculous amount of Garands.) More probable: that the closest he came to "working in a gun shop" was selling Cordura at a gun show. On another note, that drat dirty hippy running Craigslist isn't helping milsurp fags. "Craigslist CEO Jim Buckmaster told the subcommittee that the rules about what can and cannot be sold are confusing. Asked by Rep. John Tierney, D-Massachusetts, what Congress could do to make the situation better, Buckmaster answered, "It would simplify things greatly if a law were passed banning the sale of any U.S. military item less than 50 years old."" (original article re: stolen military toys: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/10/mi...loot/index.html)
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Ygolonac posted:OK, if the returned gun is totally thrashed, CMP will strip it for parts? Someone was telling me over the weekend that at the gunshop he'd worked at, a lot of people were bringing in CMP Garands (with paperwork) that had "Chinese red wood" furniture and barrels shot smooth... and these were supposedly the "most expensive" ones. (He kind of backed up the bullshit train by then claiming that it was a 1-in-500 chance of getting a shitbox, but considering he'd already claimed to have seen "many" like that, it would seem that Washington/Idaho got a ridiculous amount of Garands.) First off, your buddy is full of poo poo. Any gun that the CMP gets that's just hosed will get stripped for parts. This includes popping the barrel off so they can sell the receiver individually - guns that are smoothbores get this treatment. The CMP has never sold guns in repro stocks to the best of my knowledge (the "Woodless Dane" rifles, for example, were delivered as the entire gun minus all the wood), but they do sell repro stocks through their webpage - these are good quality and use the same wood as the USGI ones. Also, if you get a gun from the CMP that isn't of the quality that you purchased (as in, for example, people buying the 'nicest grade' in your buddy's story and getting smoothbores) you just call them up, explain the situation, and return the gun to them. They'll ship out another one immediately. Garand collectors are nitpicky as gently caress and they do a good enough job of this to keep THEM happy - gross mechanical problems wouldn't stand at all. That's an entire line of bullshit that you were fed and shows that the person you were talking to knows so little about the CMP that I suspect he's never delt with them before. Also, I read that article. It's just election year scare-mongering, both on the part of the congressmen involved in this and CNN. They're citing a couple of isolated instances of soldiers stealing and then selling sensitive equipment and then trying to link it to people selling surplused US military equipment on Ebay and other sites because OMFG THE TERRISTS WILL DRESS LIKE US SOLDIERS USING THIS MILSURP, SNEAK ONTO OUR BASES, AND KILL EVERYONE. They utterly ignore the fact that most of the items they point to can also be bought online directly from the suppliers, or a essentially identical civilian item purchased with zero hassle (NVGs, body armor, etc.).
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Fifty Three posted:Wow, I wasn't aware that the Yugos were the only SKSs with a grenade launcher attachment. That should be easy to tell. The North Koreans also made one that could launch grenades. The Poles made an AK that shoots a loving net at someone. 
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