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Thepossiblelight
Jul 2, 2007
shut up.

Cyrano4747 posted:

fwiw I haven't heard of Big 5 having carbines in any kind of acceptable condition in something like the last 7 years. Every time they have them they're pretty thrashed and always import marked.

Just haunt GB for a CMP carbine.

PLEASE SOMEONE BUY THIS
http://www.summitgunbroker.com/IBM_M1_Carbine.html

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Mishra
Dec 12, 2007




If no one else is going to I might, anything in particular I should ask about besides the import marks?

Parts Kit
Jun 9, 2006

I used to be an adventurer like you, until I DUN SHOT MAH DICK OFF


Mishra posted:

If no one else is going to I might, anything in particular I should ask about besides the import marks?
Didn't someone (Totoro?) email them and confirm it wasn't a import, or am I going nuts?

Mishra
Dec 12, 2007



Parts Kit posted:

Didn't someone (Totoro?) email them and confirm it wasn't a import, or am I going nuts?

He did, basically if this has the TFR stamp of approval, and Totoro doesn't want it I'll pick it up tomorrow.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011



Hrrrrng.

If I had the money I'd be all over this.

Capn Beeb
Jun 29, 2003

Can it be fired with a massive erection?



BaronW posted:

*tosses enbloc clips on the ground for PING*

Mishaco
May 4, 2005


$700 seems like a good price for an IBM carbine with IBM barrel. Is it a referb or does it have all WWII features?

A guy local to me that sells at the fleamarket has had an IBM for sale for a while now in nice shape for $600 cash, no talking him down on it. I've thought about picking it up, but i've been buying carbines for less locally until very recently (i.e. until like a month ago).

Mishra
Dec 12, 2007



Mishaco posted:

$700 seems like a good price for an IBM carbine with IBM barrel. Is it a referb or does it have all WWII features?

A guy local to me that sells at the fleamarket has had an IBM for sale for a while now in nice shape for $600 cash, no talking him down on it. I've thought about picking it up, but i've been buying carbines for less locally until very recently (i.e. until like a month ago).

It apparently was given to a police department and does have a bayonet lug from the pic, so not original wwII config.

Bubakles
Jul 24, 2007
Po babitos una te babito kokeros

Motherf... I have had my eye on a very nice WW2 SA Garand for a while, but today I saw that the 1941 Johnson I had my eyes on got a heavy price reduction and is now in the "a-lot-of-money-but-an-OK-price-for-a-Johnson"-range. There is no way I can get both, but now I have a difficult decision to make. I have a few Garands and a Johnson already so this makes it even more difficult.

Mishaco
May 4, 2005


Whats a Johnson worth in your area now?

I know what you mean, it never feels like enough does it? The M1941 is one nifty rifle though.

Also, just playing around on the net tonight, for fun i searched to see what a model gun/non-firing replica of a Japanese Type 100 SMG would cost. After all, even if i did find one for sale, and even if i could afored it; i'd never shoot it as A) replacement parts are impossible and B) 8mm Nambu is about the most spendy pistol round out there for a standard WWII gun. So yeah, i thought maybe someone was making a decent model for a couple hundred bucks that would fill the hole in my collection as an example piece. You know, like you find with Thompsons all the time. Well i did find some and....

Holy fuckballs Batman!
$1,400 nearly for a late war Type 100/44 metal & wood model, $1,500 for an early war 100/40 with bipod and bayo lug, and.....loving $2k for one with the folding stock which the Navy used!

Forget that drat idea. I see the Thompson models for $300 (cheap) and $800 (made from original parts). So i was expecting something at least a little similar for a Type 100 model.

Oh well, so it goes. I was just playing around out of boredum anyway tonight.

I do have some neat C&R stuff coming in next week. Also, that Remington Model 11 SPORTSMAN shotgun with 'US' and 'Military Finish' marks on the receiver as well as the flaming bomb on it and the 2 barrels, sold on GB for $650 last night. I honestly thought it would fetch a bit more, but oh well, i got what i needed out of it and more importantly i helped a friend out by buying it off him along with his 1917 Eddystone. Which insidently also sold for $650 on GB, which was more than i thought it would bring. Just goes to show you....

Night TFR...

Bubakles
Jul 24, 2007
Po babitos una te babito kokeros

Mishaco posted:

Whats a Johnson worth in your area now?

I know what you mean, it never feels like enough does it? The M1941 is one nifty rifle though

I got mine for just under 2k in euros, and this one is even a bit cheaper than that.
Nevertheless, it's a very expensive piece of steel. But there is just something about the M1941 like you said. Gah. Maybe they'll take my M1-D in exchange.

GEEKABALL
May 30, 2011



Since you all are talking about your Johnsons, there's one for sale on a local gun board http://texasguntrader.com/index.php?a=2&b=208951 . $4,500.00 seems high, but one of you may be interested. The seller notes that some nit-wit etched their DL number on the receiver.

Commissar Canuck
Aug 5, 2008

They made fun of us! And it's Stanley Cup season!


Curses! It appears that Sportsman's Guide has the cheapest prices on .303 British, but they are back ordered until October. I assume by that point we'll have already begun to see the slow/fast increase in ammo prices as gun owners get all crazy over the election.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008

TFR 2011: All Brony, all the time.



Commissar Canuck posted:

Curses! It appears that Sportsman's Guide has the cheapest prices on .303 British, but they are back ordered until October. I assume by that point we'll have already begun to see the slow/fast increase in ammo prices as gun owners get all crazy over the election.

Well you see this is like a futures exchange. You buy the ammo now, then resell in October for a profit.

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008




Why have none of you bought this yet?

I don't want to hear goons crying in the future that "abloobloo carbines can't be found at a reasonable price abloobloo."

Buy the loving thing before I do and I part it out.

Fake Edit: Jesus Christ people. Even if the barrel is shot out, carbines are not precision to begin with. Buuuyyyyy Eeeeeeet.

PS: The adjustable rear would not have been original config on any but Inland and Winchester late SNs. Also looks to be a flip safety. Stock is WWII profile.

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

My sole partiality is to that delectable spiced meat. Any additional confederation of vegetables shall not compromise the pie as I see it.

Having wanted an IBM rifle for a while now, I'd be all over that if not for my car taking a dump on the way home Friday. There goes the budget for the month.

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Hold your stomach until the end

Fog Tripper posted:

PS: The adjustable rear would not have been original config on any but Inland and Winchester late SNs. Also looks to be a flip safety. Stock is WWII profile.
I don't have my book handy but weren't late IBM models shipped with adjustable sights?

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008



Sten Freak posted:

I don't have my book handy but weren't late IBM models shipped with adjustable sights?

IIRC, Riesch's data only shows Inland and Winchester with contracts when the adjustables began use.
edit: More info may have come to light since I seriously buggered with carbines.

Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2012 around 15:15

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

I am a closet nazi apologist.


When did they make the switchover to the adjustable sights? I know it was late-war ish, but I'm across town from my copy of War Baby and too lazy to google right now.

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008



Cyrano4747 posted:

When did they make the switchover to the adjustable sights? I know it was late-war ish, but I'm across town from my copy of War Baby and too lazy to google right now.

I want to say March 1944-ish.

Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2012 around 15:29

NickBlasta
May 16, 2003

SQUAD MORALE BROKEN!


http://www.armslist.com/posts/43868...int-sporterised

What a shame.

Out of curiosity, what would one need to restore it? To me it looks like you'd need to drop it into a new stock, add the front barrel band, and a new rear sight? I suppose it's been drilled and tapped for that peep sight too, but.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

I am a closet nazi apologist.


I'll almost guaranteed it was drilled and tapped for that peep sight, in which case it's basically a write-off. Replacing the rear sight base isn't trivial work and would require a gunsmith who knew what they were doing. I'll also add that the bluing looks very much like a re-blue job, although the pictures suck so I'm not going to live or die by that assessment.

Honestly the thing is just a mess. For what you would put into restoring it ($100-150 for a stock, ~$25 for the rings and other missing stock bits, maybe ~$50 for an appropriate rear sight assembly, plus whatever your gunsmith would want for all that labor) you're well into the cost of an honest single part mismatch, and that gun is already going to be at best a multi-part mismatch: the rear sight was also numbered on '43 oberndorf guns.

Ozmiander
Dec 1, 2009

Jeep


I'd buy that and slap a normal stock on it any day of the week.

Sixgun Strumpet
Feb 16, 2009

I suspect I am still
terribly pleased.

Found something I have been after a while. Bit of a teaser for the box thread.

Click on it for huge.

Mishra
Dec 12, 2007



Fog Tripper posted:

Why have none of you bought this yet?

I don't want to hear goons crying in the future that "abloobloo carbines can't be found at a reasonable price abloobloo."

Buy the loving thing before I do and I part it out.

Fake Edit: Jesus Christ people. Even if the barrel is shot out, carbines are not precision to begin with. Buuuyyyyy Eeeeeeet.

PS: The adjustable rear would not have been original config on any but Inland and Winchester late SNs. Also looks to be a flip safety. Stock is WWII profile.
Got some more photos, I'll post them when I get back from my run and solicit opinions.

The Sphinxster
Jul 13, 2007

Next!


Sixgun Strumpet posted:

Found something I have been after a while. Bit of a teaser for the box thread.

Let me help you out here Misha-- it's a picture of a gun!

Ozmiander
Dec 1, 2009

Jeep


The Sphinxster posted:

Let me help you out here Misha-- it's a picture of a gun!

Don't be a jerk. It's a turney gun.

Sixgun Strumpet
Feb 16, 2009

I suspect I am still
terribly pleased.

Here's some pretty proof marks you guys may appreciate.








I have to say, Smith & Wesson put a lot more effort into their 1917s then Colt did.

Sixgun Strumpet fucked around with this message at Jun 20, 2012 around 00:45

Mishra
Dec 12, 2007



Ok so It looks pretty good to me. Still it's a bunch of money, anyone see a reason not to go for it?





SadWhaleFamily
May 1, 2007



Mishra posted:

Ok so It looks pretty good to me. Still it's a bunch of money, anyone see a reason not to go for it?

Ok seriously, why the gently caress hasn't anyone bought it yet?

The Sphinxster
Jul 13, 2007

Next!


M1 carbines are super fresh. That is all.

Action-Bastard
Jan 1, 2008

Now this is partying 80's style!


SadWhaleFamily posted:

Ok seriously, why the gently caress hasn't anyone bought it yet?

Hey I'm trying to save my money for a new car

Beardless
Aug 12, 2011

I am Centurion Titus Polonius. And the only trouble I've had is that nobody seem to realize that I'm their superior officer.

SadWhaleFamily posted:

Ok seriously, why the gently caress hasn't anyone bought it yet?

The impression I got is that everyone is waiting to give everyone else a chance to buy it first. Someone needs to just man up and buy the thing.

Neorxenawang
Jun 9, 2003


Beardless posted:

The impression I got is that everyone is waiting to give everyone else a chance to buy it first. Someone needs to just man up and buy the thing.

Not me, I'm just too poor. Also I just ordered a Garand from the CMP, so my budget = extra zero. I do want it, though.

Sixgun Strumpet
Feb 16, 2009

I suspect I am still
terribly pleased.

SadWhaleFamily posted:

Ok seriously, why the gently caress hasn't anyone bought it yet?

Because I just bought something else and $820 seems like a lot more money then any M1 Carbine (save a real paratrooper) is worth.

Mishra
Dec 12, 2007



Beardless posted:

The impression I got is that everyone is waiting to give everyone else a chance to buy it first. Someone needs to just man up and buy the thing.
I'm waiting to hear back from the seller. I'm just still relatively new to guns, and would hate to drop a bunch of money on something that's not worth it. TFR has yet to lead me astray in my collecting.

Mishaco
May 4, 2005


$820? I thought it was $700+shipping?

gently caress i really should buy that IBM thats local to me i guess. Its in really good shape for $600.

Also, yes S&W 1917 > Colt 1917 hands down...proove me wrong.

Mishra
Dec 12, 2007



Mishaco posted:

$820? I thought it was $700+shipping?

gently caress i really should buy that IBM thats local to me i guess. Its in really good shape for $600.

Also, yes S&W 1917 > Colt 1917 hands down...proove me wrong.

Yes it's 700 + shipping

Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009

Man of the Rising Sun


Mishra posted:

Yes it's 700 + shipping

If someone doesn't buy it soon, I'm going to buy it myself and just hang it up next to my other IBM carbine. I'll call it a redundant system.

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Sixgun Strumpet
Feb 16, 2009

I suspect I am still
terribly pleased.

Mishaco posted:

$820? I thought it was $700+shipping?

gently caress i really should buy that IBM thats local to me i guess. Its in really good shape for $600.

Also, yes S&W 1917 > Colt 1917 hands down...proove me wrong.

If I were to buy it there is 10% tax + $50 FFL, plus shipping, so even more I guess?

The S&W is better in pretty much every way. High polish blue, better fit, better action, better sights, lighter, feels better in the hand, lighter double and crisper single actions.

Frankly, I am a bit surprised that S&W put so much work into them given the shortcuts that most companies seemed to take advantage of on war time guns.

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