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Glockamole posted:Not that the Garand is a bad weapon, but my dad's rear end puckers up tighter than a snaredrum at the thought of hurting one of his precious rifles. You could always pick up your very own from the CMP. Then again, I'm always trying to find an excuse to order another Garand. Also hunting with a Garand normally requires a 5 round clip and adjustable gas plug for hotter loaded commercial 30-06 hunting rounds.
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Paramemetic posted:I am seriously looking into buying an M2 carbine. It seems to me all of them should be C&R, but I don't know the final years of production. I know they started in late 1945, and there were about 600,000 manufactured. Does anyone know when production ceased? I do not believe they are all C&R. Just start watching sturmgewehr.com and subguns.com and you'll see them. They're pretty common. A C&R gun will be more expensive than a non C&R, but you might be able to pick up a registered trigger pack for even less.
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Yesterday I finally got my rear end down to the CMP and bought a Garand. And one of those Mossberg M44s. They are still greasy at the moment, but I'll post pictures once they are clean. In the mean time, does anyone have any recommendations for parts, tools, or whatever for either rifle? I know I'll need an adjustable gas system for the Garand at the least so I can go deer hunting. Here's the M44's magazine, in case anyone else needs it. http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/st...076&st=&s=31442
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Aurune posted:You could always pick up your very own from the CMP. Then again, I'm always trying to find an excuse to order another Garand. With the Garands, we usually use handloads; we pull the bullets on milsurp ammo and seat silvertips. What's a Garand running for through the CMP?
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Glockamole posted:With the Garands, we usually use handloads; we pull the bullets on milsurp ammo and seat silvertips. This is true - if you're handloading there's no need for the adjustable gas plug because you can roll your own open-core, hunting .30-06 that's loaded to M2 ball specifications. Just make sure if you do this that you use a somewhat lighter than normal bullet. I forget the exact numbers (easy to look up with a little googling) but M2 ball used a lighter FMJ than the open-cored super-heavy rounds that hunters tend to like these days. You can get open-cored rounds of the right weight, you just have to know what to order. Also, another option would simply to buy another Garand stock. If your dad is afraid of screwing up his nice rifle, buy a spare stock somewhere online. Put the rifle in that to go hunting - all the wood can be swapped out in about 30 seconds and there's some real beater wood out there that no one would feel bad about you messing with. Also, buy plat or email me at haeberlin at gmail dot com. I might have a solution for your "I want to hunt with a Garand but don't want to gently caress up my dad's nice rifle" dilemma that shouldn't be discussed on the board. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at Oct 11, 2008 around 18:24 |
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Did someone say milsurp? I picked up a stock at the local fun show for my Sporterized 1917 Efrut K98  
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Holy gently caress, is that a military Auto-5?
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DrakeriderCa posted:Holy gently caress, is that a military Auto-5? They used to train gunners on bombers using these and trucks. 
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Miso Beno posted:They used to train gunners on bombers using these and trucks. That's super cool. In my imaginary world, you and I live together in wedded bliss.
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This is probably a dumb question, but I'm still rather new to maintaining my mosin. The ram rod is stuck in its slot, and short of taking the entire gun apart to get it out to clean my barrel, I don't know how I can pull it out. Am I doing something wrong when I put it back? Is this a common problem? Or am I just a weakling?
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The Architect posted:This is probably a dumb question, but I'm still rather new to maintaining my mosin. The ram rod is stuck in its slot, and short of taking the entire gun apart to get it out to clean my barrel, I don't know how I can pull it out. Am I doing something wrong when I put it back? Is this a common problem? Or am I just a weakling? If I'm not mistaken, it screws in. Turn it counter-clockwise then try to pull it out.
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QuarkMartial posted:If I'm not mistaken, it screws in. Turn it counter-clockwise then try to pull it out. Thanks, this worked beautifully, I thought something was wrong.
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I keep seeing this really cool Russian gun at my local store, it's a SVT-40. Are these guns worth collecting at all? I really like the look of it and it shoots 54R which I have plenty. They want 800 for it, which sounds steep, but gunbroker has them in the same range. Any help or advice would be awesome.
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They are super loving awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VSa9YMs0WQ
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The Architect posted:This is probably a dumb question, but I'm still rather new to maintaining my mosin. The ram rod is stuck in its slot, and short of taking the entire gun apart to get it out to clean my barrel, I don't know how I can pull it out. Am I doing something wrong when I put it back? Is this a common problem? Or am I just a weakling? Do NOT use the cleaning rifle that came with your rifle to actually clean the rifle. Even in the 40s they were considered more of a bit of gear to keep on the gun in case you never got off the line and had no other way to clean your weapon. Every other military issued real cleaning kits and told people not to use those. The steel rods gently caress up bores something horrible. Buy a boresnake, modern cleaning rod, or any other proper cleaning equipment. You can get a decent polymer-coated one piece rifle cleaning rod at WalMart for $10 or so. TooLShack posted:I keep seeing this really cool Russian gun at my local store, it's a SVT-40. Are these guns worth collecting at all? I really like the look of it and it shoots 54R which I have plenty. They want 800 for it, which sounds steep, but gunbroker has them in the same range. Any help or advice would be awesome. SVT40s are awesome and getting one is VERY quickly becoming a priority for me. Just be aware that they can be a tad bit finnicky and need regular cleaning. If you shoot corrosive ammo (which I'm guessing your x54r is) you'll also need to clean the gas system after shooting to prevent pitting in the tube and on the rods. 800 is about fair for one.
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If it gets the stamp of approval from Cyrano then I gotta get it. The shop has a layaway program so do that this week. Now I need to figure out how to hide this sucker from the wife. The 54r was sold to me as non-corrosive but I don't trust it, so I clean my Mosin twice with a boresnake/Hopes#9 and give the bolt a good cleaning after each shooting session.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Do NOT use the cleaning rifle that came with your rifle to actually clean the rifle. Even in the 40s they were considered more of a bit of gear to keep on the gun in case you never got off the line and had no other way to clean your weapon. Every other military issued real cleaning kits and told people not to use those. This is very true. There should be no reason to ever take the cleaning rod off of a gun. I consider them to be nothing more than a decoration. The US military gave up on the ram rob style in the 1890s and issued kits that could fit in the stock. Even before that though, the ram rod was considered something to only use in the field when they couldn't do a proper cleaning. That was necessary because the black powder could foul the barrel after extended periods of firing. The ram rod was of a denser material than the bore, so it could easily damage it. I believe they used a wooden cleaning rod when in camp. I'll agree with getting a one piece cleaning rod and avoid the screw together kind. I had one break on me in the middle of cleaning my M1 Carbine and it became stuck. That was a scary moment, but thankfully I was able to shove it out with the other piece that broke off.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Do NOT use the cleaning rifle that came with your rifle to actually clean the rifle. Even in the 40s they were considered more of a bit of gear to keep on the gun in case you never got off the line and had no other way to clean your weapon. Every other military issued real cleaning kits and told people not to use those. I've got a boresnake already which I also use. I blame Flanker, he told me to use the ram rod. 
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The Architect posted:I've got a boresnake already which I also use. I blame Flanker, he told me to use the ram rod. uuhhh...ummm... no I didn't The Architect is liar, who do you trust? Delisle carbine conversions....where are they?
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drat you Cyrano I'm looking haaaard at one of those Finnish contract P08. The Luger in my stead now I think should eventually make it back to my older brother, even if it means beating in some semblance of appreciation for it in him... those Finnish P09 have the 4 3/4 length barrel which just look nicer overall. poo poo.
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gauss posted:drat you Cyrano I'm looking haaaard at one of those Finnish contract P08. The Luger in my stead now I think should eventually make it back to my older brother, even if it means beating in some semblance of appreciation for it in him... those Finnish P09 have the 4 3/4 length barrel which just look nicer overall. poo poo. Don't pass ANY luger on to someone who doesn't appreciate it for what it is. I've seen way, WAY too many of those that were reblued or otherwise "improved" by people who didn't know better. There's also LOTS of examples of moron relatives selling "that old gun" for way less than it's actually worth to buy something that they think is cooler, like a Glock or some poo poo. On the other hand, if you can beat him hard enough to impress on him its awesomeness and value, nothing says I love you like German milsurp.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Don't pass ANY luger on to someone who doesn't appreciate it for what it is. I've seen way, WAY too many of those that were reblued or otherwise "improved" by people who didn't know better. There's also LOTS of examples of moron relatives selling "that old gun" for way less than it's actually worth to buy something that they think is cooler, like a Glock or some poo poo. Well it's an odd little scenario. Here follows the story of the Christmas Gun: some years back, my eldest brother received this very Luger--all matching serials aside from the magazine, Erfurt 1918, a little holster wear but original holster and takedown tool--from my father. He looked it over and said "cool," and then set it aside; it spent the next 5-odd years or so in a drawer. It's a sad point because it shows the tremendous disconnect between he and my father--he's the oldest, shares his name, and they've always had a little trouble getting along. Once I knew a little bit more about guns and got my hands on this one I just about cried, because it's obviously a valuable piece, but more than that, it represents a passing on of something of great value from father to son, and my brother clearly wasn't in a place to appreciate the magnitude of it. What's changed is that while my brother used to live in DC, handgun ban central, he's moving to Connecticut and looking at coming into a vastly higher paying job. I think his new circumstances--together with the fact that guns are certainly far better as a rich man's hobby--makes me think there's at least some hope of him reclaiming what's his. I know it's not going to magically bring he and my father closer, but it might provide a common point of interest and, frankly, I think guns are absolutely one of the best hobbies/passions a man can have. Frankly it's had a mildly transformative effect on me and I'd like to share that joy with my brother. Worst comes to worst, the Luger comes back into his possession and it sits. But now that it's properly cleaned and oiled and living in an Inhibitor anti-corrosion bag, that'd be just fine. He wouldn't sell it or gently caress with it, he'd just forget about it. But this is all academic since it's unlikely the gun will be transported there any time soon, unless he really does take a sudden renewed interest in it. I remain hopeful. In summary, now is the time for me to rationalize buying a Finnish contract Luger. 
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gauss posted:
Luger. Finland. Winter War. There you go, that's all the rationale you need. If I had the cash I'd be on this like cosmlene on a Mosin.
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I do have the cash but.... hurm. Well, I was leaning on a P6, but obviously this is a question of availability. Those Finnish Contracts get meted out in very small quantities, whereas I know I'll be able to get my hands on a P6 for a good price any time at all. I've emailed my FFL to fax his info to aimsurplus. One foot in the grave. There's a gun show coming to town at the end of the month, too. Uh oh 
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gauss posted:I do have the cash but.... hurm. Well, I was leaning on a P6, but obviously this is a question of availability. Those Finnish Contracts get meted out in very small quantities, whereas I know I'll be able to get my hands on a P6 for a good price any time at all. The last time I saw Finn Lugers not for obscene prices on gunbroker it was, what, two years ago?
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Cyrano4747 posted:The last time I saw Finn Lugers not for obscene prices on gunbroker it was, what, two years ago? Oh that was going to be my other question. I assume the aimsurplus is a good price for it, and it is in fact a rather collectible piece? Not that I care for the collectibility, since I'm never going to sell it.
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gauss posted:Oh that was going to be my other question. I assume the aimsurplus is a good price for it, and it is in fact a rather collectible piece? Not that I care for the collectibility, since I'm never going to sell it. It's a Luger. Thus it's collectible. They're nice guns and in a damned sight better shape than about 90% of the German lugers you see around. The only difference is that they didn't see service with the German military, but with the Finnish military, which also fought the Russians during the time period hat those were issued. If you want a nice, shootable Luger they're a nice option.
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Ben post a picture of your new gun already, Jesus!
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| # ? Oct 13, 2008 23:39 |
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Here is an anachronism.
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MRX9989 posted:Here is an anachronism. Needs more Garand.
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MRX9989 posted:Here is an anachronism. What's all over your front sight?
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A tiny bit of poster putty is on the front sight blade. I use it to keep all of my rifles from falling over domino-style in my room. Anything else is dust and carpet fibers that have been highlighted by the flash.
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What's the usual turnaround time for the CMP? around a month, or more on the far end of 90 days? I guess it depends on if they have a bunch of carbine orders to deal with, too.
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drat I want one of those Finn Lugers. =[ Oh well, Lugers won't disappear, I can buy one in the future, I guess. But I'm kinda gay for Finland and the Winter War/Continuation War, so drat.
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Pyruvate posted:What's the usual turnaround time for the CMP? around a month, or more on the far end of 90 days? I guess it depends on if they have a bunch of carbine orders to deal with, too. They received my order on 9/4 and I had the guns in hand something like 10/1. 2 M1's and 2 Carbines.
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Gewehr 43 posted:They received my order on 9/4 and I had the guns in hand something like 10/1. 2 M1's and 2 Carbines. Cool, I'm trying to decide if I should order one, and if it will come before I leave for the Christmas break, or just wait.
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What would be a reasonable price for a Walther G-41 in good/great shape? From what I understand they are very rare and muy expensive? Also, a Garand in the 230.XXX range isn't that rare nor special, am I right? And while I am at it: This thread was the final nail in the coffin for me to start seriously looking into milsurp. I also recently discovered that it is not that big a deal to import weapons from within the EU, which is great news as the German market is flooded with sweet, sweet milsurp at reasonable price. At least compared to the lovely Finnish market. I just need to get my C&R license (a much harder process than you would expect) so I can continue on my pathetic collection.
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Bubakles posted:What would be a reasonable price for a Walther G-41 in good/great shape? From what I understand they are very rare and muy expensive? Also, a Garand in the 230.XXX range isn't that rare nor special, am I right? A mint walther G41 with all matching serials would fetch $5500-$6000 in the US market. Even with the economy being in such lovely shape, the really nice collectors pieces are still going for premium dollars. Pieces that are mismatched or have some issues however, are starting to take a beating in the price department though.
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Gewehr 43 posted:A mint walther G41 with all matching serials would fetch $5500-$6000 in the US market. Even with the economy being in such lovely shape, the really nice collectors pieces are still going for premium dollars. Pieces that are mismatched or have some issues however, are starting to take a beating in the price department though. I see, thanks. Reason I asked is there is one for sale in "very good" codition for 11.500 €... I am starting to think the whole mil-surp market is a big rip-off here, there is a beat-up Lee-Enfield No 4 Mk I for a very reasonable price of 990€. Yeah, gently caress off. On the German market they are in great shape, starting at 200€. Time for a road-trip to Germany.
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Welp, in a slow-motion replay of last round, my FFL hasn't gotten back to me in time about faxing his credentials to AIM so there are no more Grade I Finn Lugers left... 75 is not much to pay given the overall price, so I'm not sure about a Grade II. On the other hand, since I was interested in making it a real shooter, maybe that's okay. The other consideration is that I know for googling about the pistols earlier is that AIM had the same sale in September, apparently. There's nothing to suggest they have any more pistols in reserve of course, other than this is how milsurp retailers tend to operate with nice merchandise.
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