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Crowley posted:Woolie is complaining about how laptop keyboard makes typing difficult, and Sniep can touch type with high precision Yeah, still confused. What's your point? They're saying opposite things, and Sniep didn't make some glaring typo or anything.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2008 01:11 |
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e: nm
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| # ? Dec 14, 2008 01:14 |
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Crowley posted:Woolie is complaining about how laptop keyboard makes typing difficult, and Sniep can touch type with high precision A scissor-switch style keyboard is a laptop-like keyboard, which is what Woolie was talking about.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2008 01:15 |
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Woolie Wool posted:Also How is that saying that he liks laptop keys? Pretty sure he's saying "I don't like laptop keys." In fact, it's almost saying that verbatim.
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at these new keyboards with shallow laptop-like keys. They make precise typing difficult and typing in general uncomfortable. All the shittiness of a laptop keyboard, now available for your desktop.
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Idran posted:A scissor-switch style keyboard is a laptop-like keyboard, which is what Woolie was talking about. hm? I've never seen a "full size" keyboard on a laptop? Oh well, on with the complaining I guess.
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| # ? Dec 14, 2008 01:19 |
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Crowley posted:hm? I've never seen a "full size" keyboard on a laptop? The point wasn't the "full size", it was the laptop style shallow keys. He was talking about laptop style keys on the desktop.
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This is exactly why I replaced both the keyboard and mouse that came with my iMac with some Logitech hardware. I said it earlier in this thread, and nobody cared then, but gently caress the Mighty Mouse. gently caress its scroll ball that likes to scroll up when I roll it down, and gently caress the inability to only press one "button" at a time, and gently caress it for constantly flying into the corner because the sensor gets confused because I don't have a perfectly matte mouse pad for it. Edit: Grammar. Also, I'm surprised I'm the only one who feels this way in this thread. zergstain fucked around with this message at Dec 14, 2008 around 20:19 |
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Crowley posted:hm? I've never seen a "full size" keyboard on a laptop? They don't put them on laptops, but they make keyboards that are like laptop keyboards only for desktop computers. Scissor-switch means one of those keys that uses the scissor-like piece of plastic and the little rubber dome thing instead of a plunger, and some companies make desktop keyboards in that style.
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Crowley posted:hm? I've never seen a "full size" keyboard on a laptop? Idran posted:They don't put them on laptops So, neither of you have seen a 17" 'desktop replacement' laptop? They're about as close as you can get to a full-size keyboard on a laptop, what with their own separate number pad and all. HP nx9600 comes to mind, for example.
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I hate when confusion needlessly derails a thread. Today's complaint: rtorrent in the Ubuntu 8.10 repos is still not built with XMLRPC support, so it's necessary to build XMLRPC, libtorrent and rtorrent following a guide written only loving 8 days ago that now suddenly don't work. After spending about three solid hours with it, I have all the components built, installed and talking, now to figure out Apache and install a web GUI! Oh, and then SANZBD, SAMBA, FTP, setting up my users and groups.. Knowing next to not a goddamned single thing about Linux helps drag this process across several days. I want to learn so badly, so I'm building this system from the ground up, but it's frustrating to know I could just install Windows Server and have everything done by the end of the night. CUNT AND PASTE fucked around with this message at Dec 14, 2008 around 07:36 |
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amerrykan posted:I hate when confusion needlessly derails a thread. Just as a bit of advice, I went through this under Debian 4. Pretty much just read the last line of whatever failed build output you get, apt-get the latest version, if it still fails pull the newest down from the internet, do .configure, make, and follow the chain upwards. It took me about a drat day but it's all fairly straightforward (And that's under Debian which is a bit "older" than Ubuntu).
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sm8000 posted:So, neither of you have seen a 17" 'desktop replacement' laptop? They're about as close as you can get to a full-size keyboard on a laptop, what with their own separate number pad and all. HP nx9600 comes to mind, for example. That's still an 85% keyboard. Anyway.. Last Friday was the day/night of the annual Christmas party. I'm dreading the amount of tickets about monitors pushed off tables (so people could gently caress), cum/beer/vomit filled keyboards and machines with every plug busted from being tossed around without the cables still attached. Crowley fucked around with this message at Dec 15, 2008 around 00:17 |
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Crowley posted:That's still an 85% keyboard. Your company clearly throws better Christmas parties than most. 
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Karanth posted:Your company clearly throws better Christmas parties than most. We're a public institution.  (I have never seen drunks so horny as they are in this place!)
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Crowley posted:I like the two Deskpros doing... what? in the server rack. Not to mention that the server underneath isn't screwed in either. The server room here is filled with Desktops. It's not that uncommon.
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Front USB port: Mouse works Back USB ports: <Vista> OH gently caress BAD DRIVER MOUSE NO WORKY Really, microsoft? I thought we were done with this bullshit on XP. It's the same goddamn device in a different plug. What the hell?
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How the gently caress do you get a MacBook to stop going to sleep when you close the lid? Just because I don't want to look at the screen doesn't mean I want it to go to sleep. It's plugged in. If I'm using the laptop to play music or something, I don't want the screen to be open. It would also be nice to avoid the 10-second WiFi reconnection every time you open it up again. Perhaps it's possible to disable the automatic sleep, but if it is, it's very well hidden and not mentioned in any documentation.
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| # ? Dec 15, 2008 04:13 |
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My response would be to find the sensor that tells it the lid's closed and tear the fucker out, but I'm not really a "warranty" guy.
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PT6A posted:How the gently caress do you get a MacBook to stop going to sleep when you close the lid? Just because I don't want to look at the screen doesn't mean I want it to go to sleep. It's plugged in. If I'm using the laptop to play music or something, I don't want the screen to be open. It would also be nice to avoid the 10-second WiFi reconnection every time you open it up again. I'm pretty sure you can't, and it's hilarious to watch Mac zealots try to justify the total lack of user control over the feature.
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Javid posted:Front USB port: Mouse works Sounds like you have a problem with your USB ports if it doesn't work in the back. If you're just mad about the driver being reinstalled, you should buy mice that are properly ID'd by the manufacturer. fishmech fucked around with this message at Dec 15, 2008 around 04:41 |
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Javid posted:My response would be to find the sensor that tells it the lid's closed and tear the fucker out, but I'm not really a "warranty" guy. I think it's hidden inside the hinge itself or some poo poo, so it would be particularly difficult. Not to mention that I'd like the screen to turn off without the computer going to sleep in order to save power in the event that it's not plugged in. I don't see why it isn't in the standard power management options like every other laptop I've used.
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PT6A posted:I think it's hidden inside the hinge itself or some poo poo, so it would be particularly difficult. Because it's a Mac, and you should expect that from Apple.
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PT6A posted:I think it's hidden inside the hinge itself or some poo poo, so it would be particularly difficult. Because you can wake it again by moving the mouse, or touching the keyboard, or plugging in a USB port. You can also install InsomniaX to disable the going to sleep bit.
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The weird placement of the Power/Sleep/whatever keys right in the middle of where they shouldn't be is pretty stupid design, but moving regular keys and putting them in their place is completely retarded. It's non standard, and cause some nasty issues.
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PT6A posted:Not to mention that I'd like the screen to turn off without the computer going to sleep in order to save power in the event that it's not plugged in. I don't see why it isn't in the standard power management options like every other laptop I've used. um, it is, Energy Saver -> Display Sleep. It's one of the big sliders right in the middle of the window. also regarding clamshell mode macbook: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3131 fishmech posted:Because it's a Mac, and you should expect that from Apple.
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On Leopard, control shift eject turns off my screen. The LED is shutoff and I believe it's blanked out or not actively updated.
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Crowley posted:I like the two Deskpros doing... what? in the server rack. Not to mention that the server underneath isn't screwed in either. I'd throw them on an old dl380 but my boss won't comply 8(
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EDIT: Wait, poo poo Wrong link.
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dazjw posted:um, it is, Energy Saver -> Display Sleep. It's one of the big sliders right in the middle of the window. But I thought the whole story was that MacBooks were built in such a way that the screen would be harmed if the laptop got hot while the lid was closed. I thought "why do other laptops not have this obvious loving design flaw?" and figured it must be due to how flush the screen gets with the base. This would make Insomnia a dangerous hack. Have I been naive? How is the setup that Apple support article describes any different from having Insomnia? Using multiple sleeps/wakes to trick the laptop into using the right monitor is beyond even Apple's usual idiocy.
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Ruprecht posted:But I thought the whole story was that MacBooks were built in such a way that the screen would be harmed if the laptop got hot while the lid was closed. I thought "why do other laptops not have this obvious loving design flaw?" and figured it must be due to how flush the screen gets with the base. This would make Insomnia a dangerous hack. Have I been naive? Well that's a page from apple's website explicitly saying macbooks support clamshell mode. See, it says 'support.apple.com' right there in the URL. Perhaps you're thinking of the old iBooks, which definitely did not, as they vented heat through the keyboard. Presumably they don't any more. quote:Apple's usual idiocy
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This poo poo: I wanted to try out SmartFlip which was recommended on Windows Weekly, and you can't download the drat thing because of this loving retarded malware.
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I'll be the first to admit that that dialogue box would trip me up. gently caress you, Zango.
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Ruprecht posted:But I thought the whole story was that MacBooks were built in such a way that the screen would be harmed if the laptop got hot while the lid was closed. I thought "why do other laptops not have this obvious loving design flaw?" and figured it must be due to how flush the screen gets with the base. This would make Insomnia a dangerous hack. Have I been naive? Completely not true. Old macs like the iBook might have had this, but the MB and MBP both vent their heat out the back primarily, instead of through the keeyboard like pre-intel models, so they are more than capable of being used clamshell mode with no heat concerns.
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You gotta be careful that you do THOROUGHLY read and REREAD each and every confirmation dialog box that pops up in a malware installation/uninstallation. They get really nasty sometimes, such as: "Are you not sure that you do not want to not uninstall this product and lose out on THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF HUGE SAVINGS $$$$$$$ ON ALL THE LATEST AWESOME GADGETS !!!!!!!! ? Hit yes or no. Then it pops up again with a similar window and if you get that one wrong, the process cancels.
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Casao posted:Completely not true. Old macs like the iBook might have had this, but the MB and MBP both vent their heat out the back primarily, instead of through the keeyboard like pre-intel models, so they are more than capable of being used clamshell mode with no heat concerns. Good to know, thanks. I'll be sure to play around with Insomnia now. e: left it alone. Ruprecht fucked around with this message at Dec 15, 2008 around 15:45 |
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dazjw posted:um, it is, Energy Saver -> Display Sleep. It's one of the big sliders right in the middle of the window. No, I meant: display off, screen closed, computer not sleeping. Clamshell mode only works if you have an external mouse or keyboard, which I don't because, get this, it's a laptop. I just want to have iTunes keep playing music, and possibly Skype to still be able to receive calls. I don't think it's something I should have to install a third-party utility to acheive.
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PT6A posted:I don't think it's something I should have to install a third-party utility to acheive. Meh, as long as the utility actually exists and is free I don't see how this matters. Although the insomnia menu bar icon is pretty loving ugly.
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Here's something I've been dealing with lately. Sales people that get bullied around by clients. Before we'll deploy any PBX job we have various sheets that have to be filled out by the client and their IT staff. The sheet contains basic things like your extension mapping, but it also is supposed to go into detail about network information, auto-attendant recordings, dial-plan features, and an SOW of what exactly you expect the phone system to do. In addition to the sheets, the deploying engineer (me) is supposed to review them and confirm that we have everything we need and that the job can roll on the projected date. According to "policy" the job can roll out until two weeks after the sheets are filled out, giving the engineer time to review and get more information. Instead what happens is clients don't fill out the sheets because the project manager isn't forceful enough with them. The PM, instead of stopping the project until it's all ready, figures that the information can be given to the tech when he comes to install the system. And then, I don't get an email about the job until the day before it's rolling out. And even then, we don't have all the information we need for the job. So, I get an email saying that I have to go at 5 to a client, take down their old PBX, and bring up their new PBX. However, we really don't know what functions the client expects on their new system. So, we change it over, and the client is like "Wait, all my voicemails are gone, why didn't they copy over?" and "Why doesn't the new system intercom like the old one?" and "why does our IVR not do X?" So, I spend the rest of the night fixing nickel and dime things. The sales people are like, it's only a few minutes to tweak, but when you have ten things to tweak, it takes all night. If the sale and PM's would stand up to the clients and get what we need before hand, instead of just taking their commission, copy and pasting the last jobs SOW into the next one, and sending me a vague email the day of, I'd actually be home before 11 on deployment jobs. The funny thing is that because as techs, we're friggin' ninjas, the turn ups, inspite of our PM and sales, go fantastically, and then they all pat themselves on the back. Luckily, we just hired a new COO, and I'm meeting with him today to discuss why the last few jobs took all night and who's not doing their job. I still don't know why we hired two project managers who have little to no experience with anything to do with telecom.
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dazjw posted:Meh, as long as the utility actually exists and is free I don't see how this matters. It's basic functionality that every other OS has. When you have to go searching for a third-party utility to do something that should by all rights be built in to the operating system, then there is a problem.
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Sweevo posted:Free software is 10x worse for this. MS/Apple employ people whose only job is UI design, but then some sweaty programmer thinks he knows better and slaps brushed chrome textures, gradient fills and neon buttons everywhere. You don't need Fisher Price styling to drive people nuts. Case in point, the Doom WAD editor SLumpEd, pretty much the only choice if you want to use modern ZDoom features:  You see those little buttons? They're really loving tiny on a 1920x1200 display, and extremely easy to hit. They are not labeled except with glyphs. And the best part of all? If you press one of these buttons, there is no prompt--the command just executes, even if the button is the one that closes all open wads! Miss the "Lump" menu by only a couple of pixels, and instead of opening it to insert a lump, you get to watch your computer chug for 45 seconds as the program instantly starts saving and closing every open wad file. gently caress you and your lovely UI design, SlayeR.
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