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MOLLUSC
Nov 30, 2005



Raluek posted:

Yet another thing I was reminded of today that pisses me off: Computers that default to numlock off. What the gently caress good is that? It seems to act like arrow keys. I have arrow keys for that. All I want is to be able to enter goddamn numbers without moving my goddamn hand much. Goddamn!

To continue on this theme, the person who decided an F-lock key that is off by default would be a good idea ought to be shot.

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DreamingApe
Jul 15, 2001

Maar geen cent teveel hoor...


One of my biggest annoyances of the last few months is a Dutch consumer organisation. It's not a useless organisation, but it does have a annoying tendency to be negative about EVERYTHING until a new version of the product gets released.

It makes my weekly round to my neighbours twice as annoying, because they always will have read something that makes them think their new PC/Network/Virus Scanner/TV/Telephone is useless junk.

Fishstick
Jul 9, 2005

Does not require preheating

IndustrialPope posted:

One of my biggest annoyances of the last few months is a Dutch consumer organisation. It's not a useless organisation, but it does have a annoying tendency to be negative about EVERYTHING until a new version of the product gets released.

It makes my weekly round to my neighbours twice as annoying, because they always will have read something that makes them think their new PC/Network/Virus Scanner/TV/Telephone is useless junk.

Out of curiousity, which is this?

As for the numlock issue, I really really hate this aspect of out of the box fedora 6 desktops. If you used gnome, the numlock light would be on but numlock itself wouldn't be. So you had to hit numlock three times to turn it back on.

DreamingApe
Jul 15, 2001

Maar geen cent teveel hoor...


Fishstick posted:

Out of curiousity, which is this?

Consumentenbond, both my father in law as my neighbours are members so I get a double dose of annoyances. It's not a bad organisation persé and they're very usefull as watchdog, but their attitude towards new technology is pretty annoying.

Knobjockey
Jul 21, 2003

Crush your enemies.
Bang! and the alien is gone.
Hear the lamentation of Dr. Vahlen.


Thunderbird flags every single email from foo@microsoft.com as a scam.

Haha! Very funny, yes they are the Babylon, I get it.
Click "Not A Scam".

Well I'm blocking images then. M$ jpgs have the lurgi. Honest.

Every Goddamn Time.

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

Knobjockey posted:

Well I'm blocking images then. M$ jpgs have the lurgi. Honest.

Every email with images gets them blocked at first. It's to prevent spammers from verifying addresses by way of tracking views.

Knobjockey
Jul 21, 2003

Crush your enemies.
Bang! and the alien is gone.
Hear the lamentation of Dr. Vahlen.


Yes that makes perfect sense. It just struck me as petulance after the scam bullshit.

I must stop anthropomorphising my computer.

Pound_Coin
Feb 5, 2004
£



PDF files, or to be more precise Adobe intergration into web browsers needs to go die in a fire. Foxit reader makes it slightly more bearable, but it still sucks.

Oh and people who don't maximise a window then scroll around the drat thing with the bars. Just fullscreen it you stinkyhole.

nail
Jul 15, 2005



Knobjockey posted:

I must stop anthropomorphising my computer.
http://catb.org/jargon/html/anthropomorphization.html

quote:

Because hackers accept that a human machine can have intentions, it is therefore easy for them to ascribe consciousness and intention to other complex patterned systems such as computers. If consciousness is mechanical, it is neither more or less absurd to say that “The program wants to go into an infinite loop” than it is to say that “I want to go eat some chocolate” — and even defensible to say that “The stone, once dropped, wants to move towards the center of the earth”.

...It has also been suggested that anthropomorphizing complex systems is actually an expression of humility, a way of acknowleging that simple rules we do understand (or that we invented) can lead to emergent behavioral complexities that we don't completely understand.

grilldos
Mar 27, 2004

"DING! ORDER UP!"

I'm never eating at this joint again.


My new thing is windows with a blinking cursor when they are not in focus. The copy of Pidgin installed on my work PC does this to me all the motherfucking time. I end up typing in my full 16-character goddamn password to log in before I realize that I've been played. gently caress you, Pidgin.

Adobe's whole "register your poo poo to view this goddamn PDF" is a lovely attempt at stealing your money. First of all, you just have to install another PDF-reading program and you're set. I shouldn't even have to do that. Secondly, this screws over college kids who buy a new laptop and start doing their homework (ie, everything in college comes in PDF form only, now) and have no idea that they don't have to pay Adobe in order to pass a class.

madprocess
Sep 23, 2004

by Ozmaugh


Lum posted:

You can thank laptop keyboards for that one, since on those numlock converts the right hand side of the main keyboard into numbers.


This isn't strictly true, for example my Dell Inspiron E1505 only uses those keys as their number pad equivalents if I also hold down the Fn key. If numlock is off, holding fn and pressing the keys gives the same result as pressing those keypad keys with numlock off on a regular computer. I'm not sure but it may be possible to change it to work like you describe in the BIOS. Also, the Gateway laptop I had before this had a seperate button to do "keypad lock" that made those keys function as if they were on the numpad.

grilldos
Mar 27, 2004

"DING! ORDER UP!"

I'm never eating at this joint again.


madprocess posted:

This isn't strictly true, for example my Dell Inspiron E1505 only uses those keys as their number pad equivalents if I also hold down the Fn key. If numlock is off, holding fn and pressing the keys gives the same result as pressing those keypad keys with numlock off on a regular computer. I'm not sure but it may be possible to change it to work like you describe in the BIOS. Also, the Gateway laptop I had before this had a seperate button to do "keypad lock" that made those keys function as if they were on the numpad.

My Sony does it like Lum describes, which is hell of annoying when I decide to undock my laptop and go chill in the living room. I end up typing poo poo out in a creepy foe-l33t language.

Horace
Apr 17, 2007

Gone Skiin'



Pound_Coin posted:

PDF files, or to be more precise Adobe intergration into web browsers needs to go die in a fire. Foxit reader makes it slightly more bearable, but it still sucks.

gently caress yes. OSX integrates PDFs beautifully - they open quickly in Preview, they open in Quick Look, in Cover Flow and inside Safari. Or they DID, until I installed Acrobat. It automatically associated itself with all PDFs so that instead of opening in Preview in one second, I had to wait much longer for Acrobat to open. Fine, easily undone. What wasn't so nice was the way Acrobat now deals with in-browser PDFs in a much clunkier and slower way than Preview used to. I have to look into how I can disable the plug in.

But at least it's not as bad as the time I installed Classic support (OS9) in Tiger. Classic included a copy of Acrobat reader, which associated itself with all my PDFs. So when I double clicked a PDF this happened:
0 Sec: Double click file
10 Sec: Starting Classic
15 Sec: Starting OS 9
50 Sec: Opening Adobe Acrobat Olden Days Version
70 Sec: Acrobat 0.1 or whatever can't read this poo poo.

A FUCKIN CANARY!!
Nov 9, 2005



hyperborean posted:

I'm really tired of this guy:

What do I want Windows to do? How about shut the gently caress up and let me get to it all by myself?

I remember with a particular hard drive I had, there was a checkbox that said "Always perform the selected action." Yet no matter how many times I checked it and selected "Take no action," there it was again every time I connected the drive.

Also why is this non-resizeable dialog the wrong size, requiring the presence of a scrollbar with about a quarter-inch to move?

You can turn this bullshit off with a setting buried in the group policy editor. (Run -> gpedit.msc)

A FUCKIN CANARY!! fucked around with this message at May 7, 2008 around 15:27

Midelne
Jun 19, 2002

I shouldn't trust the phones. They're full of gas.

I think this week it's HP 7410s and the nightmare that erupts when you try to allow them to scan over a network to multiple PCs. Some days you can use the Scan To button, but not the software on the computers. Some days it's the other way around. Some days no matter how much you reboot or power cycle the printer, you can't do either and the only thing that has an effect is the half hour process of uninstalling all the old drivers and reinstalling the new ones from CD.

I have no idea whether this happens to other people, but it works that way with every 7410 on our network.

nail
Jul 15, 2005



Mr_Person posted:

You can turn this bullshit off with a setting buried in the group policy editor.
Not at work I can't

It doesn't do it at home with my flash drive, can't remember if it does for the external hard drive.


\/ I will check this out later when I have this stuff on me, thanks for the advice.

nail fucked around with this message at May 7, 2008 around 16:31

Ruprecht
Jul 8, 2006

I decided to sleep in the car so my snoring wouldn't bother you, but I left that recording of my snoring so you wouldn't know I'm gone.

hyperborean posted:

Not at work I can't

It doesn't do it at home with my flash drive, can't remember if it does for the external hard drive.

XP lets you turn it off on a drive-by-drive basis in the Properties dialog, i.e. selecting "take no action" for each content type. If you can't get to gpedit.msc at work, what about using TweakUI?

The daily poo poo that bothers me is complete ignorance of file types. The following questions to my customers nearly always elicit the response "What's that?":
  • Are you going to send it to me in Publisher, Quark, or InDesign?
  • I'll send you a proof in PDF, is that okay?
  • Can you email me a zip file with the art on page 52?
I realize not everyone has the time to "know computers," but are file types such a difficult concept that, instead of learning, you would rather do business not knowing what the gently caress you're talking about?

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

a cultural boneyard

LCDs that aren't set to a natively supported resolution.

I am onsite for a customer this week, and all their workstations use expensive 20" LCDs running in 800x600 because their control software is hardcoded to use that resolution. I get a headache after about 5 minutes of using them.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

<3~*dandy*~<3


Lum posted:

So now Windows defaults to num-lock off, and I for one am glad for it.

Or you could end up like I did at a job of mine from years ago. I was doing help desk stuff for an office staffed primarily by 40+ year old women.

The network policy required two numbers in the password. I would have to unlock accounts constantly because people would try to use the number pad with numlock off and lock themselves out routinely.

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


the talent deficit posted:

LCDs that aren't set to a natively supported resolution.

I am onsite for a customer this week, and all their workstations use expensive 20" LCDs running in 800x600 because their control software is hardcoded to use that resolution. I get a headache after about 5 minutes of using them.

Keep in mind that some 15" IBM ThinkPads screen have a native resolution of like 1440x1050.
As much as I love that kind of detail and clarity in such a tiny space, the 60 year old grandpas working with the systems would prefer something different.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


Horace posted:

gently caress yes. OSX integrates PDFs beautifully - they open quickly in Preview, they open in Quick Look, in Cover Flow and inside Safari. Or they DID, until I installed Acrobat. It automatically associated itself with all PDFs so that instead of opening in Preview in one second, I had to wait much longer for Acrobat to open. Fine, easily undone. What wasn't so nice was the way Acrobat now deals with in-browser PDFs in a much clunkier and slower way than Preview used to. I have to look into how I can disable the plug in.

But at least it's not as bad as the time I installed Classic support (OS9) in Tiger. Classic included a copy of Acrobat reader, which associated itself with all my PDFs. So when I double clicked a PDF this happened:
0 Sec: Double click file
10 Sec: Starting Classic
15 Sec: Starting OS 9
50 Sec: Opening Adobe Acrobat Olden Days Version
70 Sec: Acrobat 0.1 or whatever can't read this poo poo.

Preview is ok, but Skim is so much better. It doesn't integrate into Safari, but give it a try. It's faster than preview with more features. Especially useful in college for highlighting/taking notes in a PDF.

Green Puddin
Mar 30, 2008

Console Gamer


Grilldos posted:

Adobe's whole "register your poo poo to view this goddamn PDF" is a lovely attempt at stealing your money.

Wait... do you mean the program itself or PDF files in general you'd find on the Internet or one that a professor/teacher would give you?

KPDF works fantastically for me, and I'd hate to install that Adobe poo poo...

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

Ruprecht posted:

XP lets you turn it off on a drive-by-drive basis in the Properties dialog, i.e. selecting "take no action" for each content type. If you can't get to gpedit.msc at work, what about using TweakUI?

A major part of the gripe is that "Take No Action" does not work at all. In my experience, the dialog comes back 100% of the time.

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

Here's one I realized I run into waaay to often: people who can't loving indent code properly. It's as though everybody forgot their first word processing lesson in which you're told that you never use a series of spaces to indent and instead use tab or margin adjustments.

If I'm looking at VBScript, there's a 9 in 10 chance whoever wrote it totally abused the space bar.

mlnhd
Jun 4, 2002



Zorilla posted:

A major part of the gripe is that "Take No Action" does not work at all. In my experience, the dialog comes back 100% of the time.

Maybe this: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/a.../03/424802.aspx

Sir Unimaginative
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




Chaos Emerald posted:

To continue on this theme, the person who decided an F-lock key that is off by default would be a good idea ought to be shot.

For that matter, the person who thought that the F keys - a standby on keyboards for more than 20 years - should have been uprooted, even if just as a power-on default, by one-key substitutes for two-key macros that no one who's used a computer for more than a month, or who has to use one as per their job description, has any excuse to not know, deserves to be sent to Special Hell. I shouldn't need bullet hell reflexes to get into the BIOS Menu.

Also: Who thought it was a good idea to lock out USB keyboards during XP's startup? (I don't care whether this has been mentioned already; if it has, it deserves to be mentioned again.)

Sir Unimaginative fucked around with this message at May 8, 2008 around 00:38

dividertabs
Oct 1, 2004
When I grow up I want to be a scientist!

Zorilla posted:

Here's one I realized I run into waaay to often: people who can't loving indent code properly. It's as though everybody forgot their first word processing lesson in which you're told that you never use a series of spaces to indent and instead use tab or margin adjustments.

If I'm looking at VBScript, there's a 9 in 10 chance whoever wrote it totally abused the space bar.
In my lower-division programming class we get marked off for using the tab character. We're given instructions on how to set up Eclipse and Visual Studio to put four spaces whenever tab is pressed.

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.


Using tabs when you're writing a letter or whatever, sure, but programming? You're using a fixed width font anyway, why does it matter?

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

Kickstarter Hate Criminal


I was always taught to use tabs as best practice.

nail
Jul 15, 2005



I thought tab was sometimes discouraged for programming because it might be equivalent to 2, 4, 5, or 10 spaces, but 5 spaces is always 5 spaces.

Caged
May 21, 2004


I always use tabs as well, whoever has to view my code can then have a choice on how much they want things indented by changing the tab size in their editor.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


hyperborean posted:

I thought tab was sometimes discouraged for programming because it might be equivalent to 2, 4, 5, or 10 spaces, but 5 spaces is always 5 spaces.

As long as it's consistent throughout, who cares? The only language it even matters in is Python and even then it's intelligent enough to work with either. Aside from that, it's for clean code, and then it's better to let people choose how much each tab is.

antimatter
Feb 14, 2005


hyperborean posted:

I thought tab was sometimes discouraged for programming because it might be equivalent to 2, 4, 5, or 10 spaces, but 5 spaces is always 5 spaces.

That is exactly why I like the tab, because then if someone want to indent their code 10 space, great for them, and if someone want to indient their code 2 space they can.

That is the main reason why I like tab character.

mlnhd
Jun 4, 2002



Casao posted:

As long as it's consistent throughout, who cares? The only language it even matters in is Python and even then it's intelligent enough to work with either.

No it isn't. It doesn't work if you have mixed tabs and spaces in the same indentation level. It looks right on your screen but not to the interpreter.

Cool Matty
Jan 8, 2006
Usuyami no Sekai

antimatter posted:

That is exactly why I like the tab, because then if someone want to indent their code 10 space, great for them, and if someone want to indient their code 2 space they can.

That is the main reason why I like tab character.

I can't stand tabs for this reason, because every program has it's own interpretation as to what a tab's size is.

I usually have my editor convert my tabs to spaces, makes things much easier for me. Then if someone demands tabs I can just tell it to covert back. Lots of programs support this.

vanjalolz
Oct 31, 2006

Ha Ha Ha HaHa Ha

hyperborean posted:

I thought tab was sometimes discouraged for programming because it might be equivalent to 2, 4, 5, or 10 spaces, but 5 spaces is always 5 spaces.

I pity the person coding trying to indent by pressing space (I've seen it before :|).
I get frustrated as it is having to press tab 4 times a line for some levels, but 4x5=20 spaces just to begin typing? Insanity!

such a nice boy
Mar 22, 2002



Cool Matty posted:

I can't stand tabs for this reason, because every program has it's own interpretation as to what a tab's size is.

I usually have my editor convert my tabs to spaces, makes things much easier for me. Then if someone demands tabs I can just tell it to covert back. Lots of programs support this.

Ah, the old tabs vs. spaces argument. It will never be settled.

If an editor won't let you change the tab width, it's broken. Everyone should use tabs. Using 4 spaces to express an indent doesn't make sense when fundamentally you want to indent a single level.

I don't have a huge problem with spaces for indents, but if I get a file with 8-space indents or something ridiculous like that, it's pretty drat annoying. Makes much more sense to let the user choose the indent width.

nail
Jul 15, 2005



vanjalolz posted:

I pity the person coding trying to indent by pressing space (I've seen it before :|).
I get frustrated as it is having to press tab 4 times a line for some levels, but 4x5=20 spaces just to begin typing? Insanity!
IANAP but as we can see here, there are people with preferences for both.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


Melonhead posted:

No it isn't. It doesn't work if you have mixed tabs and spaces in the same indentation level. It looks right on your screen but not to the interpreter.

I didn't say both, I said either, which specifically implies one OR the other.

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Athas
Aug 6, 2007
Clever newbie!

vanjalolz posted:

I pity the person coding trying to indent by pressing space (I've seen it before :|).

Don't pretty much all editors support inserting the necessary amount of tabs/spaces by pressing just a single key these days?

such a nice boy posted:

Everyone should use tabs.

I just looked up a random function definition in the code I'm working on. A random line in this function definition is indented 8 spaces. The line below is indented 11 spaces, which is correct. How would this be expressible with tabs? Tabs are problematic in this case

code:
foobarfunction(arg1, arg2, arg3,
               arg4, arg5, arg6)
because you probably have to mix in some spaces in order to get the indentation for the second line to line up properly, and when you mix tabs and spaces, you lose any benefit rendered by using tabs. Hence, tabs can never be used alone, but spaces can.

If you want to use your own indentation size, then get your editor to reformat the file before working on it. Then, before committing it to whatever version control your team uses, make your editor format it back to the original indentation size. It's trivial, probably even scriptable in your tools unless they suck.

Slightly more on-topic: I hate programs that dump all kinds of poo poo to their stdout/stderr. The *nix media players are really bad at this. Mplayer, do I really need a description of my CPU when starting you? What happened to the Unix practice of succinct output?

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