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Dyscrasia posted:I think its the boarder padding setting in the advanced appearance screen. Default it 4, mine is set at 2, I imagine 0 would get rid of it. Thanks so much!
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For everyone wanting a middle ground between Classic and Aero/Luna, give WatercolorLite a shot. I've been using it for about a year now, and it's been great. I'm really, really picky about my visual themes, and I haven't found any UI imperfections in this one. The color scheme I've got there is "Ergonomic," but it also includes blue, green, silver, and violet. http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=65112
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Rock Tumbler posted:For everyone wanting a middle ground between Classic and Aero/Luna, give WatercolorLite a shot. I've been using it for about a year now, and it's been great. I'm really, really picky about my visual themes, and I haven't found any UI imperfections in this one. I have been using this one, or some variant of it, for as long as I can remember having Windows XP. It's great.
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Al Azif posted:It's not loading tab completion, the file browser is sniffing the mimetype of every file because they don't have extensions. It's just the standard GTK file selector. It is poo poo. Apparently you can just start typing and then a location box will magically appear. I've not tried it because I never remember about it when I actually need it. Instead I just use KGTK to replace GTK file selectors with the KDE one. Works for Thunderbird, Firefox and Azureus. Can't remember if it works with GIMP or not. For everything else I use a non-GTK application.
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Rock Tumbler posted:For everyone wanting a middle ground between Classic and Aero/Luna, give WatercolorLite a shot. I've been using it for about a year now, and it's been great. I'm really, really picky about my visual themes, and I haven't found any UI imperfections in this one. I was gonna suggest it. At various times, it's been modded to have just about any color you can imagine. The whole thing is great, it's well done and I always seem to come back to it.
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Lum posted:It's just the standard GTK file selector. It is poo poo. Am I understanding this correctly? In Ubuntu, can I switch out gnomes's lovely file selector for the kde one? Or does it only work if you are already using KDE?
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With border padding set to 1 you get a slight bluish tint to the active window rather than a glaring line of cyan. Active on left, inactive on right. Edit: Thread moves more quickly than I expected.
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tripwire posted:Am I understanding this correctly? In Ubuntu, can I switch out gnomes's lovely file selector for the kde one? Or does it only work if you are already using KDE? I personally use it in KDE on Gentoo, I've never used (k)Ubuntu. I guess you'd need at least kdelibs and qt installed, maybe kdebase too, who knows? In any case you'd need kdebase in order to pick an appropriate kde theme. It also doesn't work perfectly with every GTK app out there. Ones that extend the file selector in some way will either lose their extensions (eg. GIMP) or crash. I'm also using the gtk-qt theme engine, which basically just calls QT to draw your GTK stuff, and a few appropriate Firefox extensions and themes (Konquefox, CrystalFox Cute and CuteMenus) to sort out that particular application (I can't live without the up button and button that empties the location bar) I hear there is a similar application for GTK/gnome users that makes QT apps use your chosen GTK theme. I have no idea what it's called or how it works though.
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Lum posted:I personally use it in KDE on Gentoo, I've never used (k)Ubuntu. I guess you'd need at least kdelibs and qt installed, maybe kdebase too, who knows? In any case you'd need kdebase in order to pick an appropriate kde theme. It also doesn't work perfectly with every GTK app out there. Ones that extend the file selector in some way will either lose their extensions (eg. GIMP) or crash. This. The very idea that I need to spend hours of hacking and tweaking to make the majority of my apps look the same because 2 camps of people disagree over things. Rather than try to find a nice middle ground, everyone covers their ears and shouts "la la la la!" at the top of their lungs and continues to do it their way, forcing developers to choose between the two and thus, forcing these ridiculous hacks upon anyone who would like to make their system look unified. Windows isn't necessarily better, because of all the crappy looking non-native apps. But it's not built into the very idea of a windowing system. It's good that there's finally one X server that the entire world can agree on, now can we figure out some way to make something draw natively in Linux with whichever rendering engine is used by the desktop manager and we might, MIGHT, become one step closer to Linux not being a complete laugh from a visual standpoint. Can you tell from my posts that I absolutely despise apps that use non-native widgets for no good reason?
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Casao posted:Can you tell from my posts that I absolutely despise apps that use non-native widgets for no good reason? I hate when apps that don't let you highlight part of a word. It snaps to the full word. Microsoft seems to like this, it happens to me in IE and Word, maybe in Outlook but I can't remember. I understand why it's made that way, (I'm assuming) to be easier for people who don't have the fine motor control required to operate a mouse competently, and wouldn't want to highlight part of a word, but come on. And loving god drat useless web search results that only show up because a site is big. Looking for x product, and get a page titled x product review, or buy x product, which only says "be the first to review x product!" Or "no information found for x product." No picture, information, price, or anything. Thanks assholes. This is on par with referral pages you get by making a typo. nail fucked around with this message at May 15, 2008 around 07:40 |
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Why the gently caress did Microsoft make Office 2007 look the way it does? YOU ASSHOLES MADE WINDOWS. Why can't you make your OWN GODDAMN SOFTWARE use the native widgets in your OWN GODDAMN OPERATING SYSTEM? Gah!
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A: Top posting Q: What is the most retarded habit otherwise smart people fall into?
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rotor posted:A: Top posting On forums, sure. In email I would have to agree it makes more sense to top-post, IF you're replying to an entire email at once and not paragraphs at a time.
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Casao posted:What gas station do you go to that requires a zip code? I've NEVER seen that. about half the ones I use in Texas
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Rock Tumbler posted:Why the gently caress did Microsoft make Office 2007 look the way it does? YOU ASSHOLES MADE WINDOWS. Why can't you make your OWN GODDAMN SOFTWARE use the native widgets in your OWN GODDAMN OPERATING SYSTEM? Gah! Look, I know you hate it and I know it's not made of native widgets, but having literally just finished a paper in Word 2007 tonight, I have to say I really, really like it. I love the ribbon, I love that I can collapse it and have a distraction free working zone, I love that is kind of tabbed and does what I need, etc. I ordinarily hate apps that go their own way, but honestly, that's because custom widgets are typically a regression in usability/clarity/etc. But with Office 2007 I'm willing to give it a 'bye' because I believe it's actually a step forward.
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Rock Tumbler posted:Why the gently caress did Microsoft make Office 2007 look the way it does? YOU ASSHOLES MADE WINDOWS. Why can't you make your OWN GODDAMN SOFTWARE use the native widgets in your OWN GODDAMN OPERATING SYSTEM? Gah! They are 'native' now though, the ribbon is available in Visual Studio 2008 Feature Pack: Microsoft posted:The VC++ 2008 MFC libraries have been extended to support creation of applications that have:
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Casao posted:Can you tell from my posts that I absolutely despise apps that use non-native widgets for no good reason? Free software is 10x worse for this. MS/Apple employ people whose only job is UI design, but then some sweaty programmer thinks he knows better and slaps brushed chrome textures, gradient fills and neon buttons everywhere. Sweevo fucked around with this message at May 15, 2008 around 13:58 |
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Lum posted:It's just the standard GTK file selector. It is poo poo. Firefox shouldn't be using a file selector to select a program on Linux in the first place. Browsing /**/bin graphically is pretty pointless. Fishstick posted:On forums, sure. In email I would have to agree it makes more sense to top-post, IF you're replying to an entire email at once and not paragraphs at a time. If you're replying to an entire email, then you (generally) don't need to quote anything. That's what the In-Reply-To header is for. This problem has been solved for 25 years. Al Azif fucked around with this message at May 15, 2008 around 13:23 |
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Factor Mystic posted:Look, I know you hate it and I know it's not made of native widgets, but having literally just finished a paper in Word 2007 tonight, I have to say I really, really like it. I love the ribbon, I love that I can collapse it and have a distraction free working zone, I love that is kind of tabbed and does what I need, etc. I ordinarily hate apps that go their own way, but honestly, that's because custom widgets are typically a regression in usability/clarity/etc. But with Office 2007 I'm willing to give it a 'bye' because I believe it's actually a step forward. Oh, in terms of usability it's definitely an improvement. But they definitely did not need to make it look like it's all made out of blue gel shaving cream.
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Sweevo posted:Free software is 10x worse for this. MS/Apple employ people whose only job is UI design, but then some sweaty programmer thinks he knows better and slaps brushed chrome textures, gradient fills and neon buttons everywhere. Let's not forget horrible button/menu placement with priorities given in very odd ways. This gets worse if it's specialized software with the UI designed by someone who's not gonna use it and doesn't know what should be easy to access and what not. At my old job we used an application for call logging and RMA/onsite/pickup handling with a few dozen tabs and buttons and stuff all strewn all over the place, and the ones you needed most tended to be in the worst positions. This included vague button and generated data labelling as well(Including some redundant/useless numbers being generated) To top it off, it had a habit of being slow as poo poo with searches for item numbers and customer info. Still, it was better than the previous system which had been built in Access and required regular maintenance to keep it running at a somewhat acceptable speed. As a sidenote: Is it me or does CRM software tend to have the worst UI/functionality design around?
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Al Azif posted:Firefox shouldn't be using a file selector to select a program on Linux in the first place. Browsing /**/bin graphically is pretty pointless. Ubuntu's file associations in general are sub-par. You can't use the UI to specify a command for playing DVDs for example you have to edit /etc/defaults.lst or some bullshit like that, search for the correct mimetype, add a reference to the program then pray you got it right.
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Fishstick posted:On forums, sure. In email I would have to agree it makes more sense to top-post, IF you're replying to an entire email at once and not paragraphs at a time. If you're replying to an email that can be replied to all at once, just don't quote it at all. If, on the other hand, the email has more than one idea conveyed in it that you are responding to, then NOT replying to "paragraphs at a time" is just lazy.
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It's departmental policy that we have to always include the full history in every reply so that the entire conversation chain is always readable at once. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to make rules. We also keep getting reminders that the company's spending too much on email and we need to reduce our mailbox usage.
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hyperborean posted:I hate when apps that don't let you highlight part of a word. 
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Copying and pasting from Excel to anything else. Copy a cell containing "24", and when you paste, what you actually get is: "24 " with a trailing carriage return. Wonderful when having to copy and paste hundreds of cells individually into a text editor
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Casao posted:This. The very idea that I need to spend hours of hacking and tweaking to make the majority of my apps look the same because 2 camps of people disagree over things. Rather than try to find a nice middle ground, everyone covers their ears and shouts "la la la la!" at the top of their lungs and continues to do it their way, forcing developers to choose between the two and thus, forcing these ridiculous hacks upon anyone who would like to make their system look unified. Even with native widget, Windows is just as bad and is getting worse. First we had the odd free/cheap/lovely app that used XP style buttons for things so even if you used the classic interface (or Win2k) you got the odd red blobby button from time to time, but now it's a whole lot worse as major application developers bring parts of the Vista interface to their apps, even under XP. WMP11, IE7, Office 2007 and Nokia PC Suite spring instantly to mind. It's only going to get worse. Vista is continuing to grow but XP is refusing to die, and this is hardly surprising, it's been around for six years, It's MS's longest lived desktop OS since DOS/Win3.x and unlike any previous MS desktop OS, it's actually good enough that many people do not see the need to upgrade. Of course as an application developer you probably don't want to waste time developing an XP-style version and a Vista-style version, so you develop one and piss off half your users. At least with OSS they're addressing the problem. GTK-QT is far from being an ugly hack since GTK has always supported theme engines being written in any language and displaying stuff however they like. It works very very well and for most people will be enough for what they need. kGTK is a bit uglier and I use it purely because I hate the GTK fileselector so much. The rest of the stuff I did is just unnecessary eye-candy to give Firefox Konqueror's icons and functionality. I have to confess that if I were maintaining a distribution like KUbuntu, i'd install GTK-QT as the default theme engine so that the users don't have to. Half of them would probably never notice, other than the lovely file selectors Lum fucked around with this message at May 15, 2008 around 19:42 |
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nikjohns posted:Copying and pasting from Excel to anything else. Copy a cell containing "24", and when you paste, what you actually get is: Have you tried copying to Word then using Table --> Convert --> Table to Text?
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Casao posted:Can you tell from my posts that I absolutely despise apps that use non-native widgets for no good reason? Motherfucking yes. Steam, I'm looking at you. In fact, the best thing about it is that it's also slow as rear end. They rewrote list boxes, text boxes, and a bunch of other standard things, and made them run about ten thousand times slower. (This is really noticeable for me at the moment because I'm on a slower system... upgrading will help when I get some extra cash this summer. However, I still think it's pretty inexcusable that what amounts to a game launcher and downloader can take 30 seconds to start up on a gigahertz system.)
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Cerv posted:It's departmental policy that we have to always include the full history in every reply so that the entire conversation chain is always readable at once. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to make rules. quote:We also keep getting reminders that the company's spending too much on email and we need to reduce our mailbox usage. Regarding copying in Excel: Why can't I cut if I'm pasting into another application? And if I cut, then delete before pasting, the clipboard is empty. I know the technical reason for the clipboard becoming empty, but this design makes no sense. Either delete it from the cell when I paste into another application, or remove it from the cell as soon as I cut it. If I wanted to copy and paste and leave the text in the original cell, I would loving copy. *somebody was complaining about pluralizing this word... nail fucked around with this message at May 15, 2008 around 20:09 |
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vlack posted:Motherfucking yes. Steam, I'm looking at you. Don't forget it doesn't do font smoothing or unicode. (This is comparatively minor, but if they've hacked it so bad that not even TEXT works right...)
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Wireless Network Connection is now connected [ X ] Network: SLAVE2DABUTT Strength: Excellent STFU
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Ryouga Inverse posted:If, on the other hand, the email has more than one idea conveyed in it that you are responding to, then NOT replying to "paragraphs at a time" is just lazy. Maybe you can correct me but this doesn't seem to work all that well with [company stationary] HTML e-mail: The reply text is not delineated other than by a header below the reply, so actually inserting comments within the original message like I would do with ">>" style text only e-mails is not easily read (you could use an alternate text color I guess but then what happens if it goes to someone else without HTML?).
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Lum posted:Even with native widget, Windows is just as bad and is getting worse. First we had the odd free/cheap/lovely app that used XP style buttons for things so even if you used the classic interface (or Win2k) you got the odd red blobby button from time to time, but now it's a whole lot worse as major application developers bring parts of the Vista interface to their apps, even under XP. WMP11, IE7, Office 2007 and Nokia PC Suite spring instantly to mind. You seem to have missed the whole point of my rant. If you use native widgets on Windows, Windows will put the proper widgets there. You have to go out of your way to force one style or another.. If you tell Windows "Button HERE", it'll automatically put in the correct type based on Classic/XP/Vista. The only time this doesn't happen is people who use non-native widgets or something to force their lovely button style. Sometimes, there is a reason to use non-native widgets. The best example I can think of is Digsby's tabs. Everyone complains, but to me, they look almost native but with an icon in them. I like that icon, since it allows them to give a lot of extra information. If there's some way to do the icon in tabs in native, they should swap back to that. And no, having some really hacky thing between 2 different engines isn't fixing the problem. Making the engines compatable so whichever one is default will work with all apps is fixing the problem. Picking one engine and shooting people who write in another widget engine is a fix. Anything that doesn't involve user interaction or having multiple widget engines installed/running is a fix. If GTK-QT will takes QT code and natively run it in GTK without running QT, or vice versa, it can be a proper fix. It's my understanding that it doesn't. The thing is, Windows and Microsoft provide one widget engine to rule them all. It's just developers who choose to use non-standard ones, and users who decide that something that looks like a giant kid's toy is better than a window, that are to blame for Windows problems. Microsoft doesn't stick to it all, and they should be punished for it. Linux and OSS in general seem to always focus on developers instead of users. "We want to do it this way." "We want to use X Widget engine." "We want to remove those features." Instead of focusing on making it the best app for the users, OSS Devs seem to assume, on 9 out of every 10 revent projects I look at, that the user is an idiot who has no clue what to do when given a lot of options. Or that Users have no clue what they actually need from an App. It used to be completely different, but somewhere along the lines, OSS Devs have taken the corporate thing of "Users don't need 6 million options readily available, we'll stuff that into advanced" and expanded it into "Users only need 6 options, the rest don't need to be coded."
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nikjohns posted:Copying and pasting from Excel to anything else. Copy a cell containing "24", and when you paste, what you actually get is: Get puretext. Live free and clean, forever more. http://www.stevemiller.net/puretext/
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ChiliMac posted:but then what happens if it goes to someone else without HTML?). probably the same thing that happens when they get email on 'company stationary'
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vlack posted:Motherfucking yes. Steam, I'm looking at you. I like to run a lot of things maximised, including Steam itself. But Steam has a one pixel space in the top right of its close button which, if clicked, counts as clicking behind Steam. This space is, of course, the easiest part of the close button to click on in that circumstance. Those modal dialogues asking me if I really want to close a program have saved me countless times now. And by countless I mean five or six. But I felt like complaining. 
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In my job I have to write a ton of .conf files for a linux based PBX. I wrote a little excel program that creates the files for me. The only problem is that sometimes they contain an entry that inclues the value: 0000. Excel auto formats this to 0. I turn off autoformatting, it still comes out as 0. I enter '0000 so it doesn't auto-format and displays 0000, but then when I export it to a CSV it comes out as 0. I made around 300 files for a job all including that line, I ended up having to use a batch text replacing program to fix them all because I couldn't get Excel to reliably make every file right.
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amerrykan posted:Wireless Network Connection is now connected [ X ] Along those lines, the goddamn notification bubbles that have a separate closing [X] in XP, where clicking the [X] actually closes the balloon but clicking on the body somehow opens up a control panel for, say, your networking settings, when all you want is for the goddamn thing to go away and stop taking up valuable real estate.
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Chris Knight posted:the goddamn notification bubbles Most of my exposure to Windows is simply installing it, configuring a few things, and then passing off the PC to the user. (Apart from some scripting on the servers.) No, I do not wish to take a loving tour of Windows XP!
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Gleng posted:No, I do not wish to take a loving tour of Windows XP! On that same note, Windows Mobile 5 and 6 have the bad habit of wanting to teach you how to reschedule appointments with Dr. Johnson after they are first turned on or have been given a hard reset. Why can't they make those tutorial things a bit less obtrusive and annoying, rather than forcing them on the user? At least you can skip it on Winmobile 6.
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