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c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing


Smoke posted:

On that same note, Windows Mobile 5 and 6 have the bad habit of wanting to teach you how to reschedule appointments with Dr. Johnson after they are first turned on or have been given a hard reset. Why can't they make those tutorial things a bit less obtrusive and annoying, rather than forcing them on the user? At least you can skip it on Winmobile 6.

Yeah, I just got a HTC S710. Brilliant phone but the first turn on was a bit annoying.

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spog
Aug 7, 2004

I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air.

I'd like to put in a shout-out for Visio.

Practically everything it does is slightly different to Word, Excel or Powerpoint with different mouse actions, menu layouts and behaviours.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007



spog posted:

I'd like to put in a shout-out for Visio.

Practically everything it does is slightly different to Word, Excel or Powerpoint with different mouse actions, menu layouts and behaviours.

I quite like Visio, but yeah, it should at least be consistent with other apps.

Publisher is the odd one to me - it looks like it's hardly been updated since the 90s and has such poor functionality compared to other office apps that MS should just ditch it and incorporate it's functionality into Word.

Sweevo fucked around with this message at May 16, 2008 around 15:06

ChiliMac
Apr 13, 2005

That's why I never kiss 'em on the mouth.

rotor posted:

probably the same thing that happens when they get email on 'company stationary'

That's really quite irrelevant to what I'm talking about other than the fact that the requisite stationary is in HTML since it appears fine as a text signature in plaintext.

What I meant is that in Outlook HTML e-mails the closest thing you can get to replying to portions of someone's e-mail is this:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/o...1499801033.aspx

Which seems a poor substitute to the old institution of nested angle brackets.

Edit: Oh...

wikipedia posted:

a bug present on most flavours of Microsoft Outlook where the quotation symbols are lost when replying in plain text to a message that was originally sent in HTML/RTF, along with the fact that on the default Microsoft Outlook setup, no quotation symbols are generated at all — this makes it very hard to distinguish between new and quoted text

A bug makes more sense... well this is primarily what I was referring to, though it doesn't answer how to do in-line replies with an HTML e-mail any better.

ChiliMac fucked around with this message at May 16, 2008 around 13:40

royalejest
Oct 31, 2006

Clapton is God.

Websites that play sounds unprompted fill me with a furious anger.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Cheap people piss me off. I get the whole "want to get the most for your money" but I frequently get customers who want to spend dick all and think they are entitled to the same performance and features that people who spend $3000.00 are. I had a guy in last week who wanted to buy a name brand LCD TV for $200.00 and became so upset and abusive that I had to boot him out after explaining why that wasn't realistic.

I had another guy on Monday who wanted a 5.1 system plus a receiver for $200.00. I ended up selling him some cheap lovely 5.1 computer speakers for $90.00 and explained to him not to expect quality bass or sound from them. He comes in yesterday to return them and puts up a huge stink about how I'm ripping him off

My favorite is the people who spend $20.00 on a power supply and are then amazed when it shits out within 6 months and takes half their system components with it. Same with motherboards, you want to spend $30-50 on a motherboard well sorry bud you're getting what you pay for. There's a reason the price is so low in the first place - less Q/A, cheap labor and cheaper parts.

I'm not saying you need to drop $200.00 on a motherboard every time you upgrade but jesus christ some people are loving retarded with money. Spending most of their disposable income on food which is immediately obvious because some are fat fucks and then being amazed when they cheap out on everything else and have the nerve to whine when their cheap equipment shits out on them.

Stop whining at me you fat cheap fuckheads and learn how to save your loving money. End rant.

The Gunslinger fucked around with this message at May 16, 2008 around 13:46

I'm Libertarian u ASS
Jan 20, 2007

by Fragmaster


royalejest posted:

Websites that play sounds unprompted fill me with a furious anger.

Game installers that do the same, jesus christ I want to listen my own music and not your lovely dramatic ww2 overture looped for the next 10-20 minutes as my lovely dvd drive keeps working.

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing


I'm Libertarian u rear end posted:

Game installers that do the same, jesus christ I want to listen my own music and not your lovely dramatic ww2 overture looped for the next 10-20 minutes as my lovely dvd drive keeps working.

This is where the revamped mixer in Vista is a godsend.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

I'm Libertarian u rear end posted:

Game installers that do the same, jesus christ I want to listen my own music and not your lovely dramatic ww2 overture looped for the next 10-20 minutes as my lovely dvd drive keeps working.

Company of Heroes drove me insane that way due to the 20 loving minute installation time. It full screens itself and plays really loud WWII themed music, you basically can't use the computer for anything until its finished.

nmfree
Aug 15, 2001

The Greater Goon: Breaking Hearts and Chains since 2006


royalejest posted:

Websites that play sounds unprompted fill me with a furious anger.
YES.

There are certain websites that I just don't go to anymore because they blast music/audio without my permission upon opening their page.

The Gunslinger posted:

My favorite is the people who spend $20.00 on a power supply and are then amazed when it shits out within 6 months and takes half their system components with it.
I'd be pissed too if my power supply went out and wrecked half my computer with it. I can deal with cheap stuff not being as good of quality, but destroying other equipment besides? That's ridiculous.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Excellent. The Arkham Asylum
shower cam is operational.

nmfree posted:

YES.

There are certain websites that I just don't go to anymore because they blast music/audio without my permission upon opening their page.


It's even worse when they don't have controls for the noise.

Fade to White
Nov 2, 2007


more annually than daily, but when the AC dies in the server room at 4:00 on a friday in the begining of summer (I'm in LA). This means i have to wait around for another few hours for the AC guy to come when I'm tired and hungover and I just want to go home and crash. This has happened the last 2 years here.

Echostorm
Apr 7, 2003

I've written a small monograph upon the subject...

I was going to take the high road but since there is light OS trolling in here anyway I'll mention it.

It drives me up the loving wall when I see Macs always used conspicuiously in movies and TV shows. If they were used in real life as much as they're portrayed in media Steve Jobs would be the richest man in the world and not just a cheap, ego centric jackass with a god complex to rival Bono.

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

I see Dell Latitudes with stickers over the brand much more often.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

brb, shortcut

Echostorm posted:

I was going to take the high road but since there is light OS trolling in here anyway I'll mention it.

It drives me up the loving wall when I see Macs always used conspicuiously in movies and TV shows. If they were used in real life as much as they're portrayed in media Steve Jobs would be the richest man in the world and not just a cheap, ego centric jackass with a god complex to rival Bono.

Dude, he isn't cheap, have you seen his black turtleneck collection?

My contribution to the OS crap: how people claim that Vista killed their family and raped their dog. I haven't messed with Vista much, but it is exactly like every other OS out there; it has its quirks and it is new, deal with it you loving pussies.

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006
Everybody dies.

It is the final and only lasting Justice.

Phone posted:

how people claim that Vista killed their family and raped their dog.

God yes. I work (as I think I've mentioned in this thread) at a surplus computer parts/electronics store and all the time customers get this "i know whats up, i have the inside scoop" tone to their voices and get all "yeah man doesnt vista suck amirite". My response has been toned down to "so what are your problems with it, personally?". It seems people don't really have a problem with it and just think that it's the popular thing to hate on. The most often that they do have an answer it's that "there's a 15-3-% performance loss" (it depends on who's talking) as opposed to XP. I ask them to cite their sources and they just say "the internet". One guy (a goon) actually referred to SH/SC. I looked for a thread about how much vista sucks with graphs and poo poo, but maybe it's just eluding me. Seems to me that almost all problems with Vista are driver-related, so that has nothing to do with "mikkkro$haft" or whatever it is popular to call them nowadays.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


Raluek posted:

God yes. I work (as I think I've mentioned in this thread) at a surplus computer parts/electronics store and all the time customers get this "i know whats up, i have the inside scoop" tone to their voices and get all "yeah man doesnt vista suck amirite". My response has been toned down to "so what are your problems with it, personally?". It seems people don't really have a problem with it and just think that it's the popular thing to hate on. The most often that they do have an answer it's that "there's a 15-3-% performance loss" (it depends on who's talking) as opposed to XP. I ask them to cite their sources and they just say "the internet". One guy (a goon) actually referred to SH/SC. I looked for a thread about how much vista sucks with graphs and poo poo, but maybe it's just eluding me. Seems to me that almost all problems with Vista are driver-related, so that has nothing to do with "mikkkro$haft" or whatever it is popular to call them nowadays.

Recent benchmarks prove that Vista SP1 is within 1% either way of XP SP3 in gaming performance. It meets or beats XP in every test except 3dmax, where it's behind by roughly 1%. It's not even worth mentioning anymore.

probabilityzero
May 16, 2008

I don't have pet peeves, I have major psychotic f*king hatreds!

royalejest posted:

Websites that play sounds unprompted fill me with a furious anger.
YES! This is the one downside of using StumbleUpon. Every few clicks it brings up some idiot's flash website, and it starts blaring some 2 second WAV sound loop. Uhg.

BitBucket
Mar 17, 2003

by Fistgrrl


Casao posted:

Recent benchmarks prove that Vista SP1 is within 1% either way of XP SP3 in gaming performance. It meets or beats XP in every test except 3dmax, where it's behind by roughly 1%. It's not even worth mentioning anymore.

That's because XP SP3 is substantially worse than XP SP2 was

Weedle
May 31, 2006

by Peatpot


Why did they take out the "up one level" button in Explorer in Vista? I used that dammit

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
CRYBABY FUCK


Rock Tumbler posted:

Why did they take out the "up one level" button in Explorer in Vista? I used that dammit

You've got breadcrumbs now. Think of them as custom "up any level" buttons.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Rock Tumbler posted:

Why did they take out the "up one level" button in Explorer in Vista? I used that dammit

Probably because the breadcrumb address bar works great for that (and allows you to jump up a bunch of levels if you so choose) excepting in situations where the folder name is super-long or the Explorer window is super-skinny.

(I miss it too, though, so don't worry)

Green Puddin
Mar 30, 2008

Console Gamer


Don't get me wrong, I use Linux every day and I'm a fool for it. But sometimes I actually DO want to customize something. I ask a forum and I get responses like "Why the hell would you want to do that?" or "GNOME/KDE/XCFE/whatever already does it their way through this and that, and it's THEIR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY".

I mean I make the switch to this super awesome open I-can-do-whatever-gently caress-all OS platform, and... I can't do that? Aww man.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


BitBucket posted:

That's because XP SP3 is substantially worse than XP SP2 was

What? Where the gently caress is your source for that? Every single benchmark for it has said it's at least a 10% increase in performance. The benchmarks include XP SP2 and Vista SP0 and they are both slower than SP1 and SP3. I think you're full of poo poo.

Green Puddin posted:

Don't get me wrong, I use Linux every day and I'm a fool for it. But sometimes I actually DO want to customize something. I ask a forum and I get responses like "Why the hell would you want to do that?" or "GNOME/KDE/XCFE/whatever already does it their way through this and that, and it's THEIR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY".

I mean I make the switch to this super awesome open I-can-do-whatever-gently caress-all OS platform, and... I can't do that? Aww man.

Pidgin has done this. Adium does it. Most of the GNU-vein open source projects seem to do this. The opinion seems to be "Do it our way or write it your god damned self." The most receptive projects to feedback, to me, seem to be some of the closed sources ones like Opera and Digsby and similar.

EVGA Longoria fucked around with this message at May 17, 2008 around 08:46

John Dough
Oct 30, 2004

There is nothing quite as wonderful as money, money, money...



Blue Moonlight posted:

Probably because the breadcrumb address bar works great for that (and allows you to jump up a bunch of levels if you so choose) excepting in situations where the folder name is super-long or the Explorer window is super-skinny.

(I miss it too, though, so don't worry)

I miss it when selecting music through Winamp, because that window is substantially smaller than the standard Explorer window. Cutoff is about 30 characters, and some bands' names are that long.

Backspace still works though, and does the same thing if I'm not mistaken.

beuges
Jul 4, 2005
fluffy bunny butterfly broomstick

John Dough posted:

I miss it when selecting music through Winamp, because that window is substantially smaller than the standard Explorer window. Cutoff is about 30 characters, and some bands' names are that long.

Backspace still works though, and does the same thing if I'm not mistaken.

Backspace works like the Back button in a web browser - it takes you to the last folder you were at. Alt+Up-arrow is the Vista keyboard shortcut for Up-one-level.

On that note, Vista's explorer changing all the muscle-memory keyboard shortcuts. And the tab-order.

Sasquatch!
Nov 18, 2000




Casao posted:

What? Where the gently caress is your source for that? Every single benchmark for it has said it's at least a 10% increase in performance. The benchmarks include XP SP2 and Vista SP0 and they are both slower than SP1 and SP3. I think you're full of poo poo.
No, it's because it's micro$$$oft so surely it sucks, am i rite?

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

beuges posted:

Backspace works like the Back button in a web browser

Nitpick: In Explorer, Alt+Left is like the back button. Backspace will actually take you to the previous folder, but move you forward in navigation history. Why it works this way, I have no loving clue.

Iblys
Sep 23, 2003

gay for iBag....i mean, disconnect and self-destruct one bullet at a time...

Zorilla posted:

Nitpick: In Explorer, Alt+Left is like the back button. Backspace will actually take you to the previous folder, but move you forward in navigation history. Why it works this way, I have no loving clue.

Because backspace doesn't take you to the "previous folder", it takes you to the "parent folder". Backspace is independent of where you've been before, alt-left is a way to navigate to where you've been before. It would make no sense for backspace not to go forward in the history.

Of course, often alt-left and backspace will actually deliver you to the same location, but they are different functions.

edit: I just noticed that some people were discussing this relative to Vista. I'm talking about XP.

plastickiwi
Dec 19, 2001

Tickled purple

Oh, wait, I thought of another one: iTunes podcast handling.

If the user doesn't listen to a particular podcast within a certain (unspecified) window of time, iTunes stops downloading future episodes of that podcast. This behavior can't be changed, and it happens without warning. The only indicator that a podcast is no longer being downloaded is a tiny icon to the left of its name in the podcast listing. Clicking this icon brings up a dialog which allows the user to resume downloading the podcast in question.

Let's run through that again:
  • the application stops doing a scheduled task without asking;
  • it does so without notifying the user;
  • its decision is based on undocumented rules that can't be edited;
  • the user has to override this "feature" on an instance-by-instance basis; and,
  • this "feature" can't be turned off.

This behavior is precisely wrong. It's exactly the opposite of what a reasonable user would expect the app to do. The only way it could be more wrong is if it also deleted the podcasts without warning, then sent a bunch of hired goons to my house to kick me in the balls.

GregNorc
Dec 30, 2004

Computer Janitors Local 219

OSX won't let me use animatd GIFs as backgrounds

md1032
Jul 17, 2004
nVIDIA fanboy

Our bug database at work annoys me every day: It tries to be helpful by putting "-- New --" in the subject of the email it generates when a new bug is filed, which it changes to "-- Open --" for subsequent updates and "-- Fixed --" when the bug is closed. To make this more visible, it puts it at the beginning of the subject line instead of the end. Combine this with whatever Microsoft Exchange crap it's using's inability to generate In-Reply-To and References headers, and the result is Utter Threading Failure.

kalleboo
Jan 13, 2001

Hjälp


plastickiwi posted:

This behavior is precisely wrong. It's exactly the opposite of what a reasonable user would expect the app to do. The only way it could be more wrong is if it also deleted the podcasts without warning, then sent a bunch of hired goons to my house to kick me in the balls.
I'm sure the reasoning behind it is to save the poor podcasters from having to host up gigabyte after gigabyte of expensive bandwidth to people who aren't actually watchign/listening to the podcast. And the rules aren't exactly undocumented, there's a dialog box that says something like "you haven't listened to this podcast in 3 episodes"

For me it works perfectly. The only times I've run into that is when I in fact have gotten tired of a podcast and I've ended up deleting it.

kalleboo fucked around with this message at May 18, 2008 around 23:27

Iblys
Sep 23, 2003

gay for iBag....i mean, disconnect and self-destruct one bullet at a time...

plastickiwi posted:

Let's run through that again:
  • the application stops doing a scheduled task without asking;
  • it does so without notifying the user;
  • its decision is based on undocumented rules that can't be edited;
  • the user has to override this "feature" on an instance-by-instance basis; and,
  • this "feature" can't be turned off.

If this is accurate, that is the dumbest poo poo I have ever heard.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


Iblys posted:

If this is accurate, that is the dumbest poo poo I have ever heard.

It's accurate but, as pointed out, it's to save bandwidth. You can immediately tell it to redownload, and saving the podcast hosts hundreds of gigs, along with a fairly good portion on your end, is worth it.

It doesn't prevent you from downloading those episodes, it just goes "Oh, he hasn't watched them in a while, he's got 3 episodes backlogged, why don't I stop downloading new ones till told otherwise."

If I had a podcast, I sure as hell wouldn't want people wasting my bandwidth who didn't intend to listen.

Iblys
Sep 23, 2003

gay for iBag....i mean, disconnect and self-destruct one bullet at a time...

Casao posted:

It's accurate but, as pointed out, it's to save bandwidth. You can immediately tell it to redownload, and saving the podcast hosts hundreds of gigs, along with a fairly good portion on your end, is worth it.

It doesn't prevent you from downloading those episodes, it just goes "Oh, he hasn't watched them in a while, he's got 3 episodes backlogged, why don't I stop downloading new ones till told otherwise."

If I had a podcast, I sure as hell wouldn't want people wasting my bandwidth who didn't intend to listen.

Okay, so those are the reasons for having it on by default. What are the reasons for
- not allowing a user to change the rules
- not allowing a user to turn the thing off
- not allowing a user to exempt certain podcasts from the rule

It really annoys me when programs try to be too smart for their own good, but it annoys me a LOT more when they don't offer you a way to override their faux-intelligence.

such a nice boy
Mar 22, 2002



Casao posted:

If I had a podcast, I sure as hell wouldn't want people wasting my bandwidth who didn't intend to listen.

It's not all good for the podcast authors. I listen to "Common Sense with Dan Carlin", and he was complaining that if he didn't release a podcast every 3 weeks or so, iTunes would automatically unsubscribe his listeners.

Iblys
Sep 23, 2003

gay for iBag....i mean, disconnect and self-destruct one bullet at a time...

such a nice boy posted:

It's not all good for the podcast authors. I listen to "Common Sense with Dan Carlin", and he was complaining that if he didn't release a podcast every 3 weeks or so, iTunes would automatically unsubscribe his listeners.

See, now, this would be fine if there was a way to configure, customize, etc. But no, iTunes knows best!

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Excellent. The Arkham Asylum
shower cam is operational.

such a nice boy posted:

It's not all good for the podcast authors. I listen to "Common Sense with Dan Carlin", and he was complaining that if he didn't release a podcast every 3 weeks or so, iTunes would automatically unsubscribe his listeners.

Which is weird, because it's not time based.

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Avarcirwen
Mar 7, 2008

Goons: The only group more socially conservative than Mormons.

Casao posted:

It's accurate but, as pointed out, it's to save bandwidth. You can immediately tell it to redownload, and saving the podcast hosts hundreds of gigs, along with a fairly good portion on your end, is worth it.

It doesn't prevent you from downloading those episodes, it just goes "Oh, he hasn't watched them in a while, he's got 3 episodes backlogged, why don't I stop downloading new ones till told otherwise."

Not everyone who uses iTunes has an iPod. What about people who are just using it to download the episodes and using a player that doesn't report back?

quote:

If I had a podcast, I sure as hell wouldn't want people wasting my bandwidth who didn't intend to listen.

Then don't put out a podcast, or make it password protected.

EDIT: Oh, also your whole post is Apple fanboy response #131 "Why can't you just be happy doing things the right, that is to say Apple, way?"

Avarcirwen fucked around with this message at May 19, 2008 around 03:16

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