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Dragyn
Jan 23, 2007

Please Sam, don't use the word 'acumen' again.


Brimz posted:

Mmmm, yeah you can? %20 substitutes for a space in any file name that's in a URL you're trying to access.. Hardly inconvenient. Besides grabbing them from a web server or something, spaces are much better looking than underscores/dashes all over the place.

Wasn't%20your%20logic%20for%20using%20spaces%20to%20keep%20formatting%20easier%20to%20read?

I hardly see how that helps.

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HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

Erwin posted:

So don't maximize your windows. I used to maximize every window until I got a 1920x1200 monitor. Now they're all sized the way they should be and are spread out in a useful way, even on my work laptop at 1280x800. A widescreen monitor doesn't mean all of your text has to span from one side to the other.

The problem is that if I don't maximize, then the window isn't as nice to work with like you can't just shove your mouse to the corner or side of the screen to click a scroll bar or button. It would be kind of cool if I could maximize a window to a certain percent of the desktop or to a certain resolution (like a 1024x768 window on a 1440x900 desktop or so that it takes up 75% of the desktop horizontally and 100% vertically or whatever the heck it is that makes it work out).

I tried putting the taskbar on the side of the desktop to make better use of 16:9, but I found that it just doesn't work in English since it takes up too much space horizontally to be able to see anything useful. I'm sure it would work in Japanese or whatever other language works vertically.

GOLDMAN SACHS PARTY
Sep 2, 2004

by Fistgrrl


BloodDragyn posted:

Wasn't%20your%20logic%20for%20using%20spaces%20to%20keep%20formatting%20easier%20to%20read?

I hardly see how that helps.
He was talking about filenames and you're the one who supported him by using URLs as evidence (apples and oranges). Spaces are totally fine for use in URLs. The only reason you have this %20 poo poo is that the HTTP protocol is outdated and only likes plain ASCII. Every modern OS supports Unicode filenames and can be made backwards compatible, but browsers do URL encoding anyway because they don't know whether the server they're talking to supports anything besides ASCII so the most foolproof option is chosen.

GOLDMAN SACHS PARTY fucked around with this message at Apr 25, 2008 around 20:34

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


BloodDragyn posted:

Wasn't%20your%20logic%20for%20using%20spaces%20to%20keep%20formatting%20easier%20to%20read?

I hardly see how that helps.

Reminds me of the guy who asked why he couldn't used brackets or backslashes in file names. "I should be able to use anything I want in a file name!"

I liked 8.3 so much better

The bad thing about long filenames and spaces is that you get things like:

BP Johnson oil new building proposal, draft version.doc

instead of:

johnson-proposal-DRAFT.doc

which, admittedly, is better than BPJ-DRAF.DOC

To make it worse they're usually in file trees like:

CM Division\Documents\Bid Proposals\2008\New Customers\BP Johnson Oil\proposals\TO BE SENT\drafts\

Bob Morales fucked around with this message at Apr 25, 2008 around 20:34

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

HYPER-THREADING


HPL posted:

The problem is that if I don't maximize, then the window isn't as nice to work with like you can't just shove your mouse to the corner or side of the screen to click a scroll bar or button.




I hate applications that break if you use large fonts.


At least they're halfway there. Mine can't remember their user name. If they have to sign in to a computer other than the one at their desk, they're clueless.

\/\/\/\/

OpaqueEcho
Feb 8, 2003

oh no no bro oh no

Idiot end users that can't be bothered to remember any of their passwords and are constantly calling in to have them reset.

GOLDMAN SACHS PARTY
Sep 2, 2004

by Fistgrrl


Bob Morales posted:

I hate applications that break if you use large fonts.

I hate applications that (in loving 2008!!!) do not have Unicode support.

Dragyn
Jan 23, 2007

Please Sam, don't use the word 'acumen' again.


I've been a fool for that kind of labeling myself, I'll admit it.

To be organized. If you're going to have a series of files, you should develop some sort of system for arranging them.


Speaking of crazy-log directory structures, and the complete opposite, no structures whatsoever; end users need to find a happy medium and deal with it, if you're getting to a point where you have your folders so delimited that you have one or two files max in them.. then it's time to reevaluate.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

Bob Morales posted:



In this day and age of a bazillion flash and java-loaded web pages, the scroll wheel doesn't always work unless you click outside the app first. Also, sometimes it's preferable to click and drag the scroll bar.

Lord Dudeguy
Sep 17, 2006
[Insert good English here]

Software conflicts between auto-updating poo poo and my local policy software.

Nothing's worse then getting someone yelling because FireFox is trying to update itself, but getting rejected by the local policy restrictions, thus catching it in an endless loop.

Yeah, I know I could just disable auto-updating. My own fault for being lazy. Still irritating, though.

At least it reminds me to update.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?


Back on the LCDs at non-native resolutions thing, one of my customers is the worst offender I've ever seen for this. She has a Dell 30" (you know, 2560x1600 monster panel) which she runs at 1280x960. Not even 1280x800, which would scale cleanly and just be a waste of a good panel instead of distorted and looking like rear end. This screen is positioned 3 feet from where she sits, and she can't be older than early 30s, so it's not like the old farts who use 800x600 on 20" screens (my grandma is an offender there).

Mandals
Aug 31, 2004

Isn't it pretty to think so.


8ender posted:

This is worse on OSX where applications normally never steal focus. Adobe Updater likes to steal focus every time it opens a stupid update helper, which can be two or three times for each app getting updated. gently caress you Adobe, I'm working here.

Focus-stealing was the final straw that made me move to OSX. It's the principle of the matter. Sure, it happens even in OSX, but much, much less.

The IE 'click' sound managed to instill a Pavlovian response in me. When I hear it now, I instinctively despair inside.

Mandals
Aug 31, 2004

Isn't it pretty to think so.


Bob Morales posted:


To make it worse they're usually in file trees like:

CM Division\Documents\Bid Proposals\2008\New Customers\BP Johnson Oil\proposals\TO BE SENT\drafts\

Even better when the path is too long and the application trying to read it craps out!

Mysterious Aftertaste
May 20, 2004

So Marigold, my love, you've had too much to drink...



I can't stand CRTs any more. If it can't do 100Hz it bugs the hell out of me.

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

so hot...



Mysterious Aftertaste posted:

I can't stand CRTs any more. If it can't do 100Hz it bugs the hell out of me.

Must suck not being able to have a TV within view.

CrzyDTpBoy
Aug 5, 2003

997...998...999......GAMETIME

Mandals posted:

The IE 'click' sound managed to instill a Pavlovian response in me. When I hear it now, I instinctively despair inside.

People who don't turn the "Start Navigation" sound off.

Diovanti
Aug 18, 2003
no afterlife

Gone are the days when you mis-typed a url you got a 404 error. Here's a great example: http://www.goggle.com

This poo poo needs to die. Stupid internet.

The Remote Viewer
Jul 9, 2001


JawnV6 posted:

Must suck not being able to have a TV within view.

I'm pretty sure TVs use a different kind of CRT technology than monitors.

nail
Jul 15, 2005



Yeah, and most new TVs don't even use CRTs at all now.

Detroit Q. Spider
Jan 17, 2004

I'm dealing with it, Mother.


The Remote Viewer posted:

I'm pretty sure TVs use a different kind of CRT technology than monitors.

No, it's just that standard definition only needs 60 Hz for a clean refresh. I'm sure HD CRTs use higher refresh rates as well.

Gary2863
Jul 19, 2000



Diovanti posted:

Gone are the days when you mis-typed a url you got a 404 error. Here's a great example: http://www.goggle.com

This poo poo needs to die. Stupid internet.

Wow, I wonder how many people accidentally arrive at this website, and then think it's a great idea to sign up for the "free" $500 gift card or iPod or whatever.

what is this
Sep 11, 2001

it is a lemur


HPL posted:

The problem is that if I don't maximize, then the window isn't as nice to work with

do you know what I hate? people who have to use everything maximized



yes spreading google on a 24" monitor at 1920x1200 is a great use of space!

The Remote Viewer
Jul 9, 2001


friendship waffle posted:

do you know what I hate? people who have to use everything maximized


It's easier to get distracted with windows that aren't maximized...it just looks tidier than having everything overlap. Besides, I rarely drop and drop things between two windows, and you can just easily do it by hovering over the taskbar button for a few seconds.

nail
Jul 15, 2005



The Remote Viewer posted:

It's easier to get distracted with windows that aren't maximized.
Can you go into more detail on this, maybe give examples? I see it all the time in defense of maximizing everything and I really can't understand. Does everybody who does this have ADD or something?

Always Shirtless
Oct 14, 2006

by Fistgrrl


Gary2863 posted:

Wow, I wonder how many people accidentally arrive at this website, and then think it's a great idea to sign up for the "free" $500 gift card or iPod or whatever.

You know it's a fuckton because google would have offered to buy the domain and they must have turned it down.

Cool Matty
Jan 8, 2006
Usuyami no Sekai

friendship waffle posted:

do you know what I hate? people who have to use everything maximized


yes spreading google on a 24" monitor at 1920x1200 is a great use of space!

Because everyone knows that the Google search box is a great representation of the appearance of most sites on the web. Hurr.

No, instead, I find it very useful to maximize most everything I use. About the only things I don't maximize are IM windows, Winamp (and that's only while media library isn't open), and explorer windows.

The Remote Viewer
Jul 9, 2001


hyperborean posted:

Can you go into more detail on this, maybe give examples? I see it all the time in defense of maximizing everything and I really can't understand. Does everybody who does this have ADD or something?

Maybe, I have ADHD. I just don't want to look at desktop icons and parts of other windows when I'm trying to read. It just looks too 'busy'. I'd browse in full-screen mode all the time if I didn't need to multitask.

Why do you NOT maximize?

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

JawnV6 posted:

Must suck not being able to have a TV within view.

Maybe he's European. As far as I understand it, any TV there that doesn't suck rear end does 100 Hz.

ohgodwhat
Aug 6, 2005

Hebrew Hammer

friendship waffle posted:

do you know what I hate? people who have to use everything maximized



yes spreading google on a 24" monitor at 1920x1200 is a great use of space!

Why does it matter to you how I have my windows set up on my computer, and what should I change them to so as not to risk offending you?

nail
Jul 15, 2005



The Remote Viewer posted:

Why do you NOT maximize?
As I sort of explained earlier, readability is increased if I don't.

Accessing files is easier when they are not spread across a huge area.

"multitasking" - If something else requires my attention, it's simpler to shift my eyebones than to alt-tab or move the mouse. I also find it easier to change focus by clicking on the window instead of the taskbar button.

Mr Chips
Jun 27, 2007
Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?


Manufacturer's preference for widescreen monitors - I want to do more with my PC/laptop than watch movies, you cheap pricks.

Applications that steal focus while I'm typing.

OS X software update's lack of a 'restart later' option.

Flash/PDF plugins that steal mouse focus.

Students who repeatedly send Letter document to an A4 printer, despite bright yellow stickers on the computers in the lab an loud posters everywhere saying not to do it, and then complain that their documents don't print.

Web developers who can't write for anything other than a specific version of IE, or web pages that want to install binary plugins when dynamic html will do it all.

The fact that there are sever different size & thread screws in a PC.

Caged
May 21, 2004


Mr Chips posted:

Students who repeatedly send Letter document to an A4 printer, despite bright yellow stickers on the computers in the lab an loud posters everywhere saying not to do it, and then complain that their documents don't print.
Printers that don't automatically convert Letter to A4.

Mysterious Aftertaste
May 20, 2004

So Marigold, my love, you've had too much to drink...



JawnV6 posted:

Must suck not being able to have a TV within view.

My HDTV isn't CRT.

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

ryanmfw posted:

Why does it matter to you how I have my windows set up on my computer, and what should I change them to so as not to risk offending you?

When retarded PC practices influence interface design, it affects everybody.

Jerk Burger
Jul 4, 2003

King of the Monkeys

  • Retarded/illogical user interfaces
  • "Installation complete, you now need to restart your computer" for ever loving insignificant program ever invented
  • Flash and/or popup ads… on news website especially
  • Sites that try to restrict access from certain countries

Cmdr Will Riker
Mar 27, 2003


I wouldn't say that I run into it daily, but I hate it when I see Internet Explorer 4.0 or whatever installed on an OSX Mac. Even when Safari AND Firefox are on the dock, begging to be used, I see idiots going all the way through the HD to open what I'm sure is the single worst web browser ever conceived by man.

Oh, and you know what is by far my biggest computing pet peeve? PEOPLE, STOP loving TOUCHING MY LCD WITH YOUR GREASY FAT TWINKIE FINGERS. Seriously, you can point without ruining my $2500 laptop's screen. loving hell that makes me mad.

Data
Jan 11, 2005


Cleartype, motherfucking cleartype.

It's claim of improving visibility really means giving me a loving headache trying to discern blurry letter from blurry letter. I get the idea, and it's a good idea in theory, but my god does it not work in practice.

Especially on locked down university computers. Blergh

Gary2863
Jul 19, 2000



Data posted:

Cleartype, motherfucking cleartype.

It's claim of improving visibility really means giving me a loving headache trying to discern blurry letter from blurry letter. I get the idea, and it's a good idea in theory, but my god does it not work in practice.

Especially on locked down university computers. Blergh

I just looked through the options for Cleartype on my computer. There's one where you can toggle between RGB and BGR LCD screen striping. If I have one of these selected, text looks clear, if I have the other selected, it is blurry. Try switching between these two settings.

Gary2863 fucked around with this message at Apr 26, 2008 around 05:19

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet


The computers in the lab in the science building all have deep freeze. They were frozen such that every computer except for two throws up not one but two "would you like to report this error to Microsoft" windows every single time they start up. Also, neither IE nor firefox were configured, so they throw up all those phishing protection and import settings boxes when you first open them. I want to stab the entire IT department.

The Remote Viewer posted:

Maybe, I have ADHD. I just don't want to look at desktop icons and parts of other windows when I'm trying to read. It just looks too 'busy'. I'd browse in full-screen mode all the time if I didn't need to multitask.

Why do you NOT maximize?

I don't maximize windows so that they're readable. It's not distracting, even though I have ADD, because
1) I keep my desktop clean

2) I take my medicine every day. If stuff like icons are distracting, you might benefit from a higher dosage.

Blue Footed Booby fucked around with this message at Apr 26, 2008 around 05:25

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Lum
Aug 13, 2003



These all apply to corporate desktops, usually belonging to my customers. They are about lovely admins more than lovely users because lovely users have been done to death around here.

1) Trying to use the Run dialogue box in 2K or XP immediately after logging in as admin. You'll manage to type all but one of the characters of \\server\share\app\setup.exe and then some random process will spawn, momentarily stealing the focus, then focus will return to the run dialogue box, but that box then thinks "oooh! someone just clicked me, must highlight the current text" and when you type the next character everything else you just had disappears

2) lovely login scripts. Yeah, it's fine to run NET USE in a login script, but for gods sake handle the situation where the drive is already mapped, don't leave it up for the user to decide whether it's ok to force a disconnect or not because they will never choose the correct option, and eventually some middle aged illiterate (most likely with an 800x600 CRT) will tell the user that they can just click the X in the top right corner, and from that point onwards they will kill your login script before it reaches completion

3) Giving users a network location to save their files on is cool (usually F:\ since these people tend to be ex-Novell admins) but if you can't be bothered to re-direct the My Documents folder to that drive, or configure the default save location in MS Office to that drive, you have no right to bitch out the users when they end up saving files on their C: drive

4) Out of date desktop operating systems (servers I can understand in certain circumstances). Windows 2000 is dead and unsupported now, but that's not my rant here. I am loving sick of turning up to a new customer site with a USB stick full of customised software/scripts only to find out that they are running NT4 Service Pack 5, then I have to waste a blank CD to load the drat software. Double points if you cite "security" as your reason for not upgrading. Triple points if by the time you do upgrade it's to Windows 2000, not XP (I can understand not upgrading to Vista in a corporate environment)

5) Novell Netware - Seriously guys, you're just creating more work for yourselves. Nothing supports Novell any more. I am sick of having to bodge the software we resell to work on Novell just because my boss would rather have me do a lovely install than refuse a sale.

6) Lotus Notes - This one needs it's own thread to describe just how lovely it is, but when an end user calls and I need to send them a script update that they can install themselves without bothering their IT department, it says a lot that the most difficult part of the call is talking them through saving the drat attachment, not then getting it onto the server via a UNC share

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