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Draesk
Sep 12, 2007



Thumbs.db ain't poo poo...

Just picked up a new 1TB WD Caviar Black to replace my seriously aged original WD Raptor system drive. Cloned the Raptor onto the Caviar, up and running, no problems. With the extra space, I could move all the app dirs that I'd had to dump on my storage array before. It starts off fine, so I'm about to head out for lunch, one final look back as I walk out the door...


"Are you sure you want to copy read-only file Blah.dll?"


I think that if you need to be clicking "No" here, especially on a client OS, then you should probably stop hanging out with the finance guys when you go out for a smoke.


boo_radley posted:

Soooo. Our new developer reverted permissions in one of our user facing sharepoint sites, and now we've got 12,000-14,000 changes to redo by hand. The same developer doesn't want to use our backups because that "would be an inconvenience"

Wait, so he hosed it up and doesn't want to load backups, instead insisting on you manually reverting permissions on 14k files? Is he also the person/sleeps with the person that signs you pay-cheques? If your answer structure is "yes, no", then why isn't he either already at the bottom of some river somewhere, or at least been told precisely what he can do with his now-hosed-up 14k files? I'm guessing though that this guy isn't just "a developer" then, or that your company artificially elevates developers position in the company to equal their ego? Otherwise, seriously, those back-ups would be getting loaded no matter how many buckets he cried...

If you're honestly in a job where the new-guy developer can make such a colossal gently caress-up and command you to fix his gently caress-up by hand instead of simply reloading backups, then I question how you're not already lying in a hospital bed awaiting a liver transplant...

Draesk fucked around with this message at Dec 16, 2009 around 13:12

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Arsten
Feb 18, 2003


Draesk posted:

Thumbs.db ain't poo poo...

Just picked up a new 1TB WD Caviar Black to replace my seriously aged original WD Raptor system drive. Cloned the Raptor onto the Caviar, up and running, no problems. With the extra space, I could move all the app dirs that I'd had to dump on my storage array before. It starts off fine, so I'm about to head out for lunch, one final look back as I walk out the door...


"Are you sure you want to copy read-only file Blah.dll?"


I think that if you need to be clicking "No" here, especially on a client OS, then you should probably stop hanging out with the finance guys when you go out for a smoke.

Windows doesn't confirm file copy operations for read-only/system files. It only confirms on Move.

Draesk
Sep 12, 2007



Confirming on move of system files makes sense, but even upon moving a read-only file, I fail to see the requirement for a confirmation (e: which isn't to say that there isn't one - though I would imagine if there ever was a requirement for this, it wouldn't really be on a client OS such as XP). Read-only just means that you don't want poo poo changing it willy-nilly, not that the world is going to implode by moving it.

Also, that then pops up another annoyance. The inconsistency of dragging file from one folder to another. Sometimes it'll copy, sometimes it'll "cut". I guess this time it decided to move instead of copy. Which is fun, since I had copied a bunch of music files earlier from/to the same drives using the same method and it copied fo' sure. I know at least that dragging from the likes of a USB key to an internal drive and vice-versa will always copy, but beyond that it seems to be a bit of a crap-shoot.

Draesk fucked around with this message at Dec 16, 2009 around 13:22

Richard Noggin
Jun 6, 2005
Redneck By Default


Draesk posted:

Confirming on move of system files makes sense, but even upon moving a read-only file, I fail to see the requirement for a confirmation (e: which isn't to say that there isn't one - though I would imagine if there ever was a requirement for this, it wouldn't really be on a client OS such as XP). Read-only just means that you don't want poo poo changing it willy-nilly, not that the world is going to implode by moving it.

Also, that then pops up another annoyance. The inconsistency of dragging file from one folder to another. Sometimes it'll copy, sometimes it'll "cut". I guess this time it decided to move instead of copy. Which is fun, since I had copied a bunch of music files earlier from/to the same drives using the same method and it copied fo' sure.

If it's on the same drive, it's a move. If it's between two drives, it's a copy. If you really want to be sure which operation you're doing, right click/drag the files will give you a Move or Copy option.

g3k
Oct 1, 2009

oh god, how did this get here i am not good with computer


I hate working with LEOs, they are some of the most impatient people I've ever worked with before in my life.

Dude drops a laptop on my desk this morning: "Fix it" and then walks out of the room. I have no idea what the problem is, not even my magic eight ball could help me determine what the problem was. The guy comes back an hour later:

Is it fixed?
No, not yet, I'm waiting on my mystic seer to get in.
huh?
we couldn't figure out what was wrong and none of us are psychic, so we had to outsource to a professional
uhhh, ok I'll just wait here then
I'm joking, what is wrong with it, you never said.
OH! haha, its just not working
/wrists

edit: installing updates, the guy just stands there awkwardly close to me. He finally decides I'm taking too long installing the update and decides to leave without his computer. Now I can't test the problem he is having (aircard randomly disappears as if it is not plugged in) because it will likely work till he gets it. /sigh

g3k fucked around with this message at Dec 16, 2009 around 13:49

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have an oral fixation and it's not the sexy kind

gently caress Adobe and their seriously lovely implementation of JavaScript in Acrobat. We've gone for two years now watching at least one new 0-day exploit pop up a month out of their crap excuse for an engine. What is their mitigation solution? Completely disable Javascript, a completely valid tool. Here's an idea, jackoffs: Take a page out of Microsoft's book and handle JavaScript execution like ActiveX where a security bar prompts you to run the scripts if something is actually broken in the document.

gently caress that lovely company.

g3k
Oct 1, 2009

oh god, how did this get here i am not good with computer


BangersInMyKnickers posted:

gently caress Adobe and their seriously lovely implementation of JavaScript in Acrobat. We've gone for two years now watching at least one new 0-day exploit pop up a month out of their crap excuse for an engine. What is their mitigation solution? Completely disable Javascript, a completely valid tool. Here's an idea, jackoffs: Take a page out of Microsoft's book and handle JavaScript execution like ActiveX where a security bar prompts you to run the scripts if something is actually broken in the document.

gently caress that lovely company.

BTW, new 0day in the wild. Metasploit already has a module for it.

kensei
Dec 27, 2007

He'll finally get a ring!


g3k posted:

I hate working with LEOs, they are some of the most impatient people I've ever worked with before in my life.

I first read this as 'I hate working with LEGOS' and thought that it sounded way better than my job.

We have a receptionist who is late about half the time. In a perfect world, that would not have any effect on me at all; however, I work in our showcase NOC, which is right by our front door. When she is late, I have to let people in to our secure facility. They are almost always here for a sales meeting, which means I have to sign them in and then track down the sales person who is late or not at their desk.

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing

Draesk posted:

Wait, so he hosed it up and doesn't want to load backups, instead insisting on you manually reverting permissions on 14k files? Is he also the person/sleeps with the person that signs you pay-cheques? If your answer structure is "yes, no",

Yes, yes. See my post history for Fun Details.

Stabby McDamage
Dec 11, 2005



Draesk posted:

Edit: Oh come on. Thunderbird search used to be pretty decent. Then I finally took my head out of my rear end and moved to IMAP.

It only searches local folders.

Draesk posted:

Edit: Another complaint about Thunderbird's atrocious handling of IMAP: All folders retain the same header column layout, apart from the local Sent folder. Meaning that if you use a remote IMAP folder to put your sent items in (ala Google), the headers will be stuck as "From", and changing it to "To" will change the headers in every other normal email folder. You'd think that having this folder specified as the location for sent items to be saved to as per the individual Account Settings would make Thunderbird realise that I do actually know who the email was sent by... We're nearly in 20-loving-10 and I'm still encountering dumb poo poo like this in the newest implementation of a client for a technology that's most likely older than I am. gently caress.

Edit: Oh hey, Thunderbird 3. Much like Firefox 3.5, it's even loving worse. It still has un-resizable menus that are, by default, too small to fit all the options on. I feel like I'm in 1995 all over again.

"Smart Folders", I don't want loving "smart" folders, I want it to do what I loving tell it to. Holy gently caress.

Thunderbird definitely has some quirks, but I didn't understand any of these complaints.

Thunderbird indeed searches remote folders. Further, Thunderbird 3 can (and does, by default) download and index all messages locally. Even better, the search option now has a "run search on server" option.

My sent items go to the "Sent" folder under Inbox, which is remote by default. I'm not sure why you'd need to re-assign it, unless something weird happened when you migrated from POP to IMAP. Maybe make a new profile with IMAP from the start?

I'm not sure what "unresizable menus" are. The preferences dialog? That's smaller than 800x600. The toolbar? It's customizable and supports text under, text to the side, and no text. If you simply don't like the new default toolbar in Thunderbird 3, the old one can be restored via the migration assistant (or manually).

"Smart folders" are indeed retarded, but you can turn them off by clicking the arrows at the top right of the folder pane to cycle through to "All folders". Also, this is another thing that you can turn off immediately in the migration assistant.

I don't think any email client is perfect, but I just wanted to point out that most of these nits are either fixed or fixable.

Elected by Dogs
Apr 20, 2006


g3k posted:

BTW, new 0day in the wild. Metasploit already has a module for it.

At first I thought this was a joke, so I sort of half-assed looked it up.

'DisclosureDate' => 'Dec 14 2009',
'Name' => 'Adobe Multimeda Doc.media.newPlayer Use After Free Vulnerability',

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


Richard Noggin posted:

If it's on the same drive, it's a move. If it's between two drives, it's a copy. If you really want to be sure which operation you're doing, right click/drag the files will give you a Move or Copy option.

Hold Ctrl to copy, Shift to move. No need for right-click drags.

golgo13sf
Aug 18, 2003

iSheep krew represent


If I go into that kitchen one more time for coffee and the pot is empty, you're going to be reading about me on the news.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

brb, shortcut

golgo13sf posted:

If I go into that kitchen one more time for coffee and the pot is empty, you're going to be reading about me on the news.

My personal favorite is when the pot is almost empty, but the burner's still on.

g3k
Oct 1, 2009

oh god, how did this get here i am not good with computer


Elected by Dogs posted:

At first I thought this was a joke, so I sort of half-assed looked it up.

'DisclosureDate' => 'Dec 14 2009',
'Name' => 'Adobe Multimeda Doc.media.newPlayer Use After Free Vulnerability',



Nope, HD Moore's Twitter feed told me about it. Its pretty awesome too.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952

Phone posted:

My personal favorite is when the pot is almost empty, but the burner's still on.

Good excuse to pass this around the office:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q4jb-kXebQ

"You kill the Joe, you make some mo' !"

Midelne
Jun 19, 2002

I shouldn't trust the phones. They're full of gas.

Phone posted:

My personal favorite is when the pot is almost empty, but the burner's still on.

One of the employees who's been here for decades has a coffee mug that he loves and a USB cup-warmer. He does not wash the coffee mug. I have been here almost two and a half years and the coffee mug has never been washed. There are hundreds of individual rings of dried, baked-on coffee in the mug because he leaves the mug on the cup-warmer -- turned on -- all day long.

I can never picture a human drinking from that mug, and then sometimes he does it. It's quite disturbing.

g3k
Oct 1, 2009

oh god, how did this get here i am not good with computer


Phone posted:

My personal favorite is when the pot is almost empty, but the burner's still on.

we've had a rash of folks leaving the coffee pot on over night with just a little bit of coffee in the bottom, leaving a nice slag of coffee like substance in the bottom of the pots for me to clean when I arrive at the office at 6am ;/ I put up a sign, but twice since then it has happened.

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing

g3k posted:

we've had a rash of folks leaving the coffee pot on over night with just a little bit of coffee in the bottom, leaving a nice slag of coffee like substance in the bottom of the pots for me to clean when I arrive at the office at 6am ;/ I put up a sign, but twice since then it has happened.

We eventually chipped in for an outlet timer.

golgo13sf
Aug 18, 2003

iSheep krew represent


mllaneza posted:

Good excuse to pass this around the office:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q4jb-kXebQ

"You kill the Joe, you make some mo' !"

I have a picture of Terry Tate over the coffee maker with that text, it doesn't work, nothing works, not emails, signs, nothing.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


g3k posted:

we've had a rash of folks leaving the coffee pot on over night with just a little bit of coffee in the bottom, leaving a nice slag of coffee like substance in the bottom of the pots for me to clean when I arrive at the office at 6am ;/ I put up a sign, but twice since then it has happened.

When I see a sign, I tend to want to go out of my way to do the exact opposite, and I know a lot of people seem to be the same way. Really, there's nothing you can do - signs are ineffective, anything over email will be laughed at, you just get to enjoy that kind of stuff if there's no technical solution (or hiring someone to do it manually, w/e)

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have an oral fixation and it's not the sexy kind

Take away their coffee machine or break the pots at night/early morning when no one else is there and say that heating the nearly-empty pot causes the glass to break.

HatfulOfHollow
Sep 28, 2000

Dancing is forbidden in the land of [SA]HatfulOfHollow

You all need to get your offices to outsource your coffee to some outside company. Or get one of those Keurig/Flavia machines that makes single cups. Preferably both so you always have a functioning machine with a healthy variety of coffee. Actually, now that I've just written this I'm going to go have a cup of green mountain southern pecan. Am I making you jealous yet?

PS - The coffee situation here is probably the only thing that doesn't piss me off on a daily basis.

HatfulOfHollow fucked around with this message at Dec 16, 2009 around 20:17

g3k
Oct 1, 2009

oh god, how did this get here i am not good with computer


HatfulOfHollow posted:

You all need to get your offices to outsource your coffee to some outside company. Or get one of those Keurig/Flavia machines that makes single cups. Preferably both so you always have a functioning machine with a healthy variety of coffee. Actually, now that I've just written this I'm going to go have a cup of green mountain southern pecan. Am I making you jealous yet?

Yes. Yes you have made me jealous. Our coffee maker is this huge commercial coffee maker that has hot water in it already, just pour new water in to get it started. I wish I could take it away at night.

The sign I made was amusing, it had a picture of that tiger swimming underwater with "TURN OFF THE COFFEE BURNERS AT NIGHT OR FACE MY AQUA TIGER" in hopes that people would be like "Oh, lol, I forgot to turn off the burners, silly me" BUT I THOUGHT WRONG

IT woman in my office posted:

Have you guys come in for the NW updated yet?

JESUS WITH THE GRAMMAR AGAIN

g3k fucked around with this message at Dec 16, 2009 around 20:22

Serious Business
Jun 22, 2009

by Tiny Fistpump


Midelne posted:

One of the employees who's been here for decades has a coffee mug that he loves and a USB cup-warmer. He does not wash the coffee mug. I have been here almost two and a half years and the coffee mug has never been washed. There are hundreds of individual rings of dried, baked-on coffee in the mug because he leaves the mug on the cup-warmer -- turned on -- all day long.

I can never picture a human drinking from that mug, and then sometimes he does it. It's quite disturbing.

Midelne, I can't even picture what kind of place you work for with so many retards running around freely. Unless, that coffee mug guy is Rod isn't it?

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


I've seen the "full row select" thing mentioned in here.

The tweak works for Vista, but seems to have been killed off for Windows 7 during the beta. So it is still Vista-only for the time being.

I actually didn't even know about the tweak until after Windows 7 had been RTM for some time.

I have the tweak buried in XdN Tweaker (but not visible yet), but haven't really tested it much since I haven't had a Vista system in a while.

topenga
Jul 1, 2003
not Ticonderoga Pencils

Phone posted:

My personal favorite is when the pot is almost empty, but the burner's still on.

We switched to a pump carafe system instead of burners. It seemed to go over well. Until the 8 times some numbnuts didn't check to see if the carafe still had coffee in it (from the previous day, usually) and started a new pot...then left. I walk in to find piping hot coffee cascading over the counter and on to the floor in a glorious brown waterfall.

Flavia and the like: Corporate decided "hey, we need ONE vendor for all of our offices. Try out these new fangled machines (Flavia, Keurig) and pick which one you want for your location!" Our location said "we have beans, we have a grinder, just get us a new brewing system. kthnx".

Crowley
Mar 13, 2003


HatfulOfHollow posted:

Actually, now that I've just written this I'm going to go have a cup of green mountain southern pecan. Am I making you jealous yet?

Are we still talking about coffee?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpKdOZuB66o

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing

Crowley posted:

HatfulOfHollow posted:

Actually, now that I've just written this I'm going to go have a cup of green mountain southern pecan. Am I making you jealous yet?

Are we still talking about coffee?

I'm not sure, I think he's going to go have a cup of pie.

edit:
what is this declaration here?
that's a Delegate, you can look up the use on MSD --
why would you use that?
it's like a function pointer in C++. It provides for a level of abstraction an
pointers? There aren't pointers in C#! You don't know what you're talking about.

boo_radley fucked around with this message at Dec 16, 2009 around 23:08

Midelne
Jun 19, 2002

I shouldn't trust the phones. They're full of gas.

Serious Business posted:

Midelne, I can't even picture what kind of place you work for with so many retards running around freely. Unless, that coffee mug guy is Rod isn't it?

Nah, different guy.

edit: And frighteningly, the answer for what kind of place I work at is "surprisingly profitable"

theangryamoeba
Sep 26, 2008


This is something that has been pissing me off lately, poorly implimented systems. My local transit company has installed gps tracking on all of their buses.

When you text them with the id number of the bus shelter, they will respond with the expected times for the next several buses based on their current locations. I texted this morning at 6:45.


I did not receive a response until 10 minutes ago. Apparently there are no buses scheduled for my stop as of 6:15 pm.

Tikki
Aug 13, 2007
Life is too short for... No. Life is just too short!

On the subject of christmas parties.
(Can't remember if it was this thread or "A ticket came in..", so I'm guessing this one.)

We recently moved together with an accounting firm, bringing the total number of people in their building up to around 15...


Last month we got this email:

(Translated from danish)

Accounting firm CEO posted:

Subject: Christmas party 2.0

When: 18. december 2009 13:00-17:00 (UTC+01:00) Brussels, Copenhagen, Madrid,
Paris.

Where: [Street]

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Hi everyone

[Our CEO] and I have decided that we should have a [Accounting firm]/[Our firm] christmas party 2.0.

The christmas party will be installed friday the 18/12-2009 13:00 at [street].

Between 13 and 17 the program will be executed according to the current covering SLA and will be protected by Firewall and Antivirus.

If some individuals decide to continue running the program after this time, they are welcome, but should be aware that it is at their own risk and on their own account - the support agreement does not cover this.

We will make a list of components to be included to run the program correctly - Everyone will have to contribute with their own piece of code. This will be coordinated in the coming weeks.

Well meeted[sic]..... :-)

P.S. If you cannot be there, you'll just have to contribute twice the amount of code!

/[accounting firm CEO]


I'm not quite sure if this is a good or bad thing...

Wish me luck, I will report back after the "program has been executed"..

Tikki fucked around with this message at Dec 17, 2009 around 00:54

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Родина слышит


Christmas party 2.0? Is that where everything designed to look edgy and cool, but the guests have to provide their own entertainment?

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?


theangryamoeba posted:

I did not receive a response until 10 minutes ago. Apparently there are no buses scheduled for my stop as of 6:15 pm.
It's probably not the bus system's fault. SMS just isn't at that level. There are no guarantees of instant delivery (or ever), it's a best-effort service, especially when crossing providers. When or whether you get the message depends on the load on the SMSCs at both ends, the utilization of the control channel of the cell you happen to be registered to, and if a butterfly farted in Jersey. Most of the time it works, sometimes you get what you got.

wolrah fucked around with this message at Dec 17, 2009 around 02:30

Elected by Dogs
Apr 20, 2006


Tikki posted:

On the subject of christmas parties.
(Can't remember if it was this thread or "A ticket came in..", so I'm guessing this one.)

We recently moved together with an accounting firm, bringing the total number of people in their building up to around 15...


Last month we got this email:

(Translated from danish)



I'm not quite sure if this is a good or bad thing...

Wish me luck, I will report back after the "program has been executed"..

Are they going to make a program with random code contributed by employees, then run it on a laptop with a projector at a pub?

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

so delicious...



Elected by Dogs posted:

Are they going to make a program with random code contributed by employees, then run it on a laptop with a projector at a pub?



I assume their CFO is trying to be cute.

You know, like that totally hilarious joke about upgrading Girlfriend 4.0 to Wife 1.0 and its incompatibility with PokerNight 3.8.

Tikki
Aug 13, 2007
Life is too short for... No. Life is just too short!

Edit: ^^^This.

Elected by Dogs posted:

Are they going to make a program with random code contributed by employees, then run it on a laptop with a projector at a pub?



I'm pretty sure it means semi-sorta-potluck...
Luckily, I'm "just" an intern, so I don't have to bring anything.

What worries me the most is the 13 to 17 part... I'm hoping the usual accountant stereotype doesn't apply to these guys... Because then I'll be going home at 17*... sober...


*that's 5pm for you weird last-century people

Tikki fucked around with this message at Dec 17, 2009 around 03:16

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

so delicious...



On the other hand, the "potluck program" idea actually sounds like it'd be a really fun thing, done right.

I have no idea how to do it right, but I can imagine it turning out really cool.

rockinricky
Mar 27, 2003


Ryouga Inverse posted:

On the other hand, the "potluck program" idea actually sounds like it'd be a really fun thing, done right.

I have no idea how to do it right, but I can imagine it turning out really cool.

Everyone must make a holiday-related animated video with sound. The results must fit in a 4K file. It's a Christmas Demoparty!

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sund
Mar 28, 2005

Location: Parumph, Nevada

HatfulOfHollow posted:

You all need to get your offices to outsource your coffee to some outside company. Or get one of those Keurig/Flavia machines that makes single cups. Preferably both so you always have a functioning machine with a healthy variety of coffee. Actually, now that I've just written this I'm going to go have a cup of green mountain southern pecan. Am I making you jealous yet?

PS - The coffee situation here is probably the only thing that doesn't piss me off on a daily basis.

We did that, now we pay 50 cents for 2/3rds of a cup of coffee. Whoa! Why is everyone taking 25 minute breaks to walk out of the commercial/industrial area our office is in to the nearest coffee shop? Why is productivity down?

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