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ZeeBoi
Jan 17, 2001



Casao posted:

I couldn't get my mac to print to a shared printer on my windows machine. I tried and tried and it was just a bitch.

Also, very nice title, what brought that on?
Probably the pidgin fork thread and his raging over the lack of a button. But I digress.

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Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


Casao posted:

I couldn't get my mac to print to a shared printer on my windows machine. I tried and tried and it was just a bitch.

Also, very nice title, what brought that on?

LOL. I have no clue. I just now saw it.

twofish
Apr 17, 2006

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Sweevo posted:

In the business world people also like to stick with what they know works, particularly when talking about the financial side of things. In some ways you're better off sticking to old technology that's had 20+ years of development instead of going with a cutting edge, but flaky system.

Much of the banking world still runs on systems written 30 years ago, that are known to be robust. Travel agents still use terminal emulators to access booking systems. The car dealership I used to work at had a nice fancy new system for all the sales staff to use, but when an actual sale was made all communication with the manufacturer was done via 1200bps dial-up, and I know that a lot of the manufacturer's internal communication was still Token Ring.

Well yea, I guess I shouldn't complain about the printers when the entire library database (in fact ALL library databases) is running on some system thought up in the late seventies called Z39.50.

I'm always telling the cataloger "hey we could do this 10 times better in SQL" and she just roles her eyes and says "Z39.50 until the ALA says otherwise". Librarians are kinda funny about computers and the internet. They are sorta out-of-touch, but they really like to write misguided whitepapers and talk about Information Systems and enabling patron acess. It's kinda like they are still recovering from the dotcom bust, and still think search means using esoteric portals to sort thousands of irrelevant results. They don't realize that, as we move forward, things are becoming more standardized, and you can't keep using whatever un-unified query syntax you want, you can't look at RSS like its some sort of proprietary standard in which you may dick with the XML so it works with the page better, the internet is bigger than a few thousand webpages, etc.

I mean, it's really cool that they are able to get so excited about IT, but they just move so much slower than the technology.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007



Dano Bodango posted:

Librarians are kinda funny about computers and the internet.

On paper the internet looks like a librarian's wet-dream - all that information at your fingertips, and lot of libraries jumped on the internet bandwagon pretty early on. But then it came back to bite them when it turned out that all those computers just attracted kids who wanted to spend hours on myspace or playing flash games.

Sweevo fucked around with this message at May 26, 2008 around 17:42

DreamingApe
Jul 15, 2001

Maar geen cent teveel hoor...


Dano Bodango posted:

I mean, it's really cool that they are able to get so excited about IT, but they just move so much slower than the technology.

The library world is actually kinda schizoid here. On one hand we're really trying to catch the big internet wave, but we're also hugely conservative about how we're supposed to intergrate all this into the library.

plastickiwi
Dec 19, 2001

Tickled purple

Oh, and another thing: hardware with soft power and no hard reset switch.

I can't count the number of times I've had to physically unplug my wife's HP inkjet printer because its tiny brain gets scrambled or the print queue pukes (see previous complaint) and it CAN. NOT. BE. TURNED. OFF at the switch.

Goddamn it, my computer has soft power too, but when I hit the reset button it reboots no matter what the OS is trying to do. Every piece of hardware needs a "gently caress you" button and I'd be willing to pay the extra couple of bucks for it.

ZeeBoi
Jan 17, 2001



I was relieved when I realised that holding down the power button on desktops and laptops will ultimately shut it down, not having to resort to pulling plugs or batteries out is nice.

Jo
Jan 24, 2005



Firefox, we need to talk.

I care about you; you've been good to me; I've been good to you. It's just that...

I'm concerned about your ram consumption. At first I though it was a phase. I figured you'd be over it in beta 4 or when you got just a little older. I deluded myself to thinking that 'it's the plugins' and things of that sort. But that's not the case. I'm concerned for your health and for the safety of this computer. We just can't handle it when you're taking up 200 megs of ram on a laptop with only 196M. I thought things would be different with a bigger machine, a faster processor, two gigs of memory. No. I came home and there you were -- 500 megs and growing. You need to stop this madness before you kill yourself and your user base. Please.

EDIT: Deluded. I'll be damned.

Jo fucked around with this message at Jun 5, 2008 around 15:38

nail
Jul 15, 2005



Jo posted:

I diluted myself to thinking
deluded

If you dilute yourself you are making yourself weaker by addition of some medium (usually water)

DevastatorIIC
Nov 13, 2006

Dvorak- Ubuntu- KDE- and Opera-fag

hyperborean posted:

deluded

If you dilute yourself you are making yourself weaker by addition of some medium (usually water)

He's talking about diluting thinking. Clearly you need a more potent liquid medium.

TheQat
Oct 19, 2003



Jo posted:

Firefox, we need to talk.

I care about you; you've been good to me; I've been good to you. It's just that...

I'm concerned about your ram consumption. At first I though it was a phase. I figured you'd be over it in beta 4 or when you got just a little older. I diluted myself to thinking that 'it's the plugins' and things of that sort. But that's not the case. I'm concerned for your health and for the safety of this computer. We just can't handle it when you're taking up 200 megs of ram on a laptop with only 196M. I thought things would be different with a bigger machine, a faster processor, two gigs of memory. No. I came home and there you were -- 500 megs and growing. You need to stop this madness before you kill yourself and your user base. Please.

Have you tried 3.0 RC1 yet? Supposedly the footprint is way down.

Weedle
May 31, 2006

by Peatpot


Suspicious posted:

I think we're all too quick to forget how utterly horrible printing was in Windows 95. XP/2003 is perfect by comparison.

No, not really. It's almost exactly the same.

Smoke posted:

At my old helpdesk job I got to hear the XP startup and shutdown sounds far too much, both on the phone and in the office from the test boxes. One guy eventually set his ringtone to the XP startup sound so nobody would notice his cellphone ringing.

I hate those sounds. But I wouldn't go for no sounds at all, but rather for a default scheme with no startup and shutdown sounds. Error beeps can be useful.

I have voice clips from Clive Barker's Undying as my startup/shutdown sounds because I'm an rear end in a top hat.

"Fool! You had your chance to escape!"

"Can you describe what you can only see? As the bonds of flesh are broken, the world becomes apparent!"

Fortunately my laptop is usually muted when it's not on my desk.

Midelne
Jun 19, 2002

I shouldn't trust the phones. They're full of gas.

ZeeBoi posted:

I was relieved when I realised that holding down the power button on desktops and laptops will ultimately shut it down, not having to resort to pulling plugs or batteries out is nice.

Yeah. I think I went a year, maybe a year and a half when they stopped putting the hard shutdown buttons on the fronts of computers thinking that I had to hit the switch on the power source to get it to turn off when it hard locked. It was a happy day when I discovered that not to be the case.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

My contribution for today is Quickbooks. I do my own books for my business and when I initially got started with Quickbooks it was great. Quick, lightweight and very useful for just about any scenario - payroll, great account registers, report/inventory tracking, etc. Over time it's become a bloated piece of poo poo fueled by the greed of Intuit who dings you wherever the gently caress they can dream up.

Quickbooks seems to think it is the most important application in the universe. Any action initiated in it seems to trigger it stealing back window focus. Just getting to the basic program interface has become like navigating a labyrinth over the years. Quickbooks requires Flash to be installed yet seems to use it nowhere. This has bloated the startup time from 5 seconds to about 40 on a modern system.

Quickbooks has updated! Quickbooks recommends you verify your data! Quickbooks recommends you backup your data! Apparently it can't do step 1 in step 2 to save you the hassle. The notices and advertisements all steal window focus too which is jarring and drives me insane. There are tons of them too. Memorized new transactions! Ok thanks for informing me that you memorized the transaction I put in the Memorized Transaction list you piece of poo poo, I had no idea.

Finally, they will "expire" your old version to force you to upgrade to the latest version or make you pay a ridiculous fee for software you already paid for. If you do upgrade, boy you're a fool. Version 8 wiped out all of my invoice/letter templates without any rhyme or reason, it just decided that was a neat thing to do. The UI changed significantly and they decided that the middle of tax season was the best time to roll out version 8 for some reason.

Its kind of like Nero. Nero used to be my little cd burning go to application. It was small, fast and did what I wanted to without hassle. Nowadays Nero has become an 800MB software version of purgatory that bloats up your system and generally fucks you in the rear end at every opportunity.

tl;dr - gently caress Quickbooks, any money I saved by doing things myself has eroded over the years as its become more bloated. I just hired a CA's office to do my poo poo because I'm tired of the software along with the massively increased licensing fees year to year.

ninepints
Mar 25, 2007
four and a half quarts

The Gunslinger posted:

Nero

Good lord, Nero. I remember it being decent a few years back, though I never installed it personally, but my dad recently installed a trial version and the thing's footprint is massive. There's a Nero Backup Manager doing nothing in particular and eating up resources, a Nero Media Search device listed under My Computer... I don't know why anyone would need a proprietary backup program integrated into their CD burning software, and god knows how they managed to make it a 500+ MB program.

madprocess
Sep 23, 2004

by Ozmaugh


liquidXenon posted:

Good lord, Nero. I remember it being decent a few years back, though I never installed it personally, but my dad recently installed a trial version and the thing's footprint is massive. There's a Nero Backup Manager doing nothing in particular and eating up resources, a Nero Media Search device listed under My Computer... I don't know why anyone would need a proprietary backup program integrated into their CD burning software, and god knows how they managed to make it a 500+ MB program.

They have had the courtesy as they add more and more stuff to note its the "Complete Edition" the "Full Edition", and other grandiose names. Luckily they all still seem to have a minimal install option, and I just use that.

CUNT AND PASTE
Aug 15, 2004

~see my amazon wishlistu~


From a ticket in my queue (as escalated from our Helpdesk in India):
code:
Unable to access websites from the office with Inertnet Explorer The error says "Unable to get to it error".
Huh.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

<3~*dandy*~<3


amerrykan posted:

From a ticket in my queue (as escalated from our Helpdesk in India):
code:
Unable to access websites from the office with Inertnet Explorer The error says "Unable to get to it error".
Huh.

God Bless Outsourcing

DiabloStarCraft
Oct 12, 2006

What is there in this world that makes living worthwhile?"

CATS. CATS ARE NICE

madprocess posted:

They have had the courtesy as they add more and more stuff to note its the "Complete Edition" the "Full Edition", and other grandiose names. Luckily they all still seem to have a minimal install option, and I just use that.

I still use my Nero 5.5 that came with my DVD writer way back when, and it seems to do me fine.

What is a good bit of CD burning software now that will be like Nero 5.5 but not really old?
I had a look at Roxio at my dads and it seems worse than Nero some how.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

THIS IS HOW YOU SHUT THE DOOR


amerrykan posted:

From a ticket in my queue (as escalated from our Helpdesk in India):
code:
Unable to access websites from the office with Inertnet Explorer The error says "Unable to get to it error".
Huh.

flakeloaf fucked around with this message at May 27, 2008 around 21:15

Weedle
May 31, 2006

by Peatpot


flakeloaf posted:



I am about 95% sure this is a photoshop but I just don't know anymore

kapinga
Oct 12, 2005

I am not a number

Rock Tumbler posted:

I am about 95% sure this is a photoshop but I just don't know anymore

Google posted:

No results found for "unable to get to it error"

I suspect it is.

I admit going to IE and seeing if I could make it happen though.

Caged
May 21, 2004


The problem is obviously that they were looking on the inertnet rather than the internet. Nothing is active on that thing

CUNT AND PASTE
Aug 15, 2004

~see my amazon wishlistu~


Caged posted:

The problem is obviously that they were looking on the inertnet rather than the internet. Nothing is active on that thing
This reminded me that I need to rename my loopback adapter to 'Inertnet'.

nail
Jul 15, 2005



enjoyable human being GBS King posted:

What is a good bit of CD burning software now that will be like Nero 5.5 but not really old?
InfreRecorder

Though, I don't see the need to ever update, unless you need something that supports newer media like DL DVD or Blu-ray.

John Dough
Oct 30, 2004

There is nothing quite as wonderful as money, money, money...



ZeeBoi posted:

I was relieved when I realised that holding down the power button on desktops and laptops will ultimately shut it down, not having to resort to pulling plugs or batteries out is nice.

Related to this, my friend had a computer where there was no reset button, so every time it crashed (and this was around 2000, still the Windows 98 age) you needed to hold the power button to turn the computer off, then on again.

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


John Dough posted:

Related to this, my friend had a computer where there was no reset button, so every time it crashed (and this was around 2000, still the Windows 98 age) you needed to hold the power button to turn the computer off, then on again.

Laptops are still like this.
Crash? Hold the power button. Not work? Pull the power cord and then pull the battery.
Would it have been that hard to put a Reset button on it?

Same with computer cases. When I look at them, I always check for a Reset button. Some companies leave these out for some reason.

mantaworks
May 6, 2005

by Fragmaster


John Dough posted:

Related to this, my friend had a computer where there was no reset button, so every time it crashed (and this was around 2000, still the Windows 98 age) you needed to hold the power button to turn the computer off, then on again.

I don't think I ever have used a reset button other than with small appliances with one of those hidden "time to find a needle" buttons.

Zhentar
Sep 28, 2003

Brilliant Master Genius


plastickiwi posted:

Oh, and lovely WINDOWS PRINTING!

I work for a company that develops software for very large organizations. When we roll out our software, and end-users switch over from paper or the previous software, we have three main technical measures for the success of the switch. Performance (acceptable response times), Interfaces (interaction with other systems in place), and Printing (whether or not documents print correctly to the correct printer). Printing is often the most troublesome of the three.

Tapedump
Aug 31, 2007

Oh, just leave that anywhere...


enjoyable human being GBS King posted:

What is a good bit of CD burning software now that will be like Nero 5.5 but not really old?
For what it's worth I've found that after trying a good number of burning "suites" and stand alone apps, the best solution for me and mine is Nero 6.6.1.15 with the Nero Mega Plugin Pack added for direct FLAC-to-redbook audio functionality. It does anything I want it to except burn blue laser discs, which is no issue for me.

Might consider tracking down a copy.

Objective-Cmen
Jun 1, 2004

TASTE THE TROPICAL PARADISE

For everyone hating the newer, bulkier versions of Nero, give Nero Micro a shot. They take out everything except Nero Burning Rom, Nero Express and the VideoCD / audio Plug-ins.

my stepdads beer
Feb 24, 2001




Orange Juilius posted:

For everyone hating the newer, bulkier versions of Nero, give Nero Micro a shot. They take out everything except Nero Burning Rom, Nero Express and the VideoCD / audio Plug-ins.

Nero Micro is fantastic.

Atltais
May 20, 2004
And there was much rejoicing.

Xenomorph posted:

Same with computer cases. When I look at them, I always check for a Reset button. Some companies leave these out for some reason.

I hate the ones that they're putting on some cases nowadays where you need to get a paperclip to hit them. I just want a big shiny fuckoff button, is that so much to ask?

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

I call the middle mouse button the "magical mystery button" when I'm using Opera because god only knows exactly what it's designed for. Sometimes it'll do what I want it to do, sometimes it'll send me off to some crazy random web site, sometimes it'll do something else.

DevastatorIIC
Nov 13, 2006

Dvorak- Ubuntu- KDE- and Opera-fag

HPL posted:

I call the middle mouse button the "magical mystery button" when I'm using Opera because god only knows exactly what it's designed for. Sometimes it'll do what I want it to do, sometimes it'll send me off to some crazy random web site, sometimes it'll do something else.

Open links in background tab, not on links gives the scrolly thing. I've never noticed any diffrent behavior.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

DevastatorIIC posted:

Open links in background tab, not on links gives the scrolly thing. I've never noticed any diffrent behavior.

If you highlight text, it'll make it so that any time you middle click any blank space on a page, it'll open up some other link whether or not you copied the text. This would all be well and good except that it'll keep going to that link even if you un-highlight it which makes for an annoying time when you're trying to click on a link and just miss it, opening up the mystery window.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


HPL posted:

If you highlight text, it'll make it so that any time you middle click any blank space on a page, it'll open up some other link whether or not you copied the text. This would all be well and good except that it'll keep going to that link even if you un-highlight it which makes for an annoying time when you're trying to click on a link and just miss it, opening up the mystery window.

Um.... no?

This has never happened to me and, as much as I can figure out from your description, it's not happening even when attempting to get it to happen. Have you ever confirmed this on any other copy of Opera? Because I've never even heard of this behavior. Did you change default middle click? Are you using something beside Windows?

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

Casao posted:

Did you change default middle click? Are you using something beside Windows?

Haven't changed a thing, mouse-wise. And I'm using 9.5 beta on Ubuntu.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


HPL posted:

Haven't changed a thing, mouse-wise. And I'm using 9.5 beta on Ubuntu.

Do you have some kinda crazy middle click to copy/paste thing going on in Ubuntu? I know I've heard about that before.

Honestly, Opera is a Windows app. They're putting work into the other versions but they're not as mature. Especially the linux version which is less than a quarter of the build number of the Windows app and has to deal with a much wider variety of settings and enviornments. I'm not sure how it works with the middle click to copy/paste thing but my guess is not well. If you report this to the Opera team on the beta forums, they're really good about helping you work around it and fixing it. Especially the platform teams - the mac team has setup a new blog just for mac and they're beginning to roll out mac fixes like crazy, I'm sure the linux team isn't far behind.

One thing I recommend if you use Opera is to jump on the "weeklies". They're not longer on any kind of strict schedule but they add features in fairly often and it's usually very stable.

The worst thing I've noticed about middle click is that occasionally it won't read on tabs to close them, but that could very easily be my mouse instead of Opera.

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HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

Casao posted:

Do you have some kinda crazy middle click to copy/paste thing going on in Ubuntu? I know I've heard about that before.
It's not a show-stopper, just one of those little "wtf?" things that I've been coming across. I can sort of see what they're trying to do with it. It appears to be a context-sensitive key. Imagine if you mapped your middle mouse button to "I'm Feeling Lucky" on google, depending on whatever the pointer is on when you click. It's just not very well implemented, which is to be expected from a beta.

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