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Sylink
Apr 17, 2004


I hate people that act as if the company laptop we have given them is personally theirs.

We are switching to Windows 7 so I have to do a lot of the easy transfer. No matter how many times I tell people everything will be in the same spot (accounting for a few UI differences) they refuse to believe I'm not stealing their files.

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enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed

Sylink posted:

I hate people that act as if the company laptop we have given them is personally theirs.

We are switching to Windows 7 so I have to do a lot of the easy transfer. No matter how many times I tell people everything will be in the same spot (accounting for a few UI differences) they refuse to believe I'm not stealing their files.

Means there is porno on it, possibly homegrown. . . Rsync that the drive to an external drive, tell picasa to dig through every directory, hidden and not, and find every image and video file on the junk.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007


enotnert posted:

Means there is porno on it, possibly homegrown. . . Rsync that the drive to an external drive, tell picasa to dig through every directory, hidden and not, and find every image and video file on the junk.
Don't forget to give us a link to the public Picasa Web Album you create after you're done with that.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

USB devices which draw too much power and/or USB ports which don't supply enough.

I just got one of those USB skype phones and spent ages messing about trying to get it to work on my laptop, as the screen would come on then when the software tried to connect to it it just made a few pathetic noises and went blank. Finally decided to try it on my desktop and it works first time.

99% sure it's a power issue but I have no idea whether my laptop isn't supplying enough power, or the phone is trying to draw more power than the spec allows and the desktop is tolerant enough to allow it.

Any idea how to multimeter a USB port?

minivanmegafun
Jul 27, 2004



rolleyes posted:

USB devices which draw too much power and/or USB ports which don't supply enough.

I just got one of those USB skype phones and spent ages messing about trying to get it to work on my laptop, as the screen would come on then when the software tried to connect to it it just made a few pathetic noises and went blank. Finally decided to try it on my desktop and it works first time.

99% sure it's a power issue but I have no idea whether my laptop isn't supplying enough power, or the phone is trying to draw more power than the spec allows and the desktop is tolerant enough to allow it.

Any idea how to multimeter a USB port?

Grab a USB cable, hack off one end, strip wires, meter?

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

rolleyes posted:

99% sure it's a power issue but I have no idea whether my laptop isn't supplying enough power, or the phone is trying to draw more power than the spec allows and the desktop is tolerant enough to allow it.

Any idea how to multimeter a USB port?

If you look at the root hub the device is attached to in Device Manager, you can see how much power the device is requesting. 100mA is guaranteed, anything more than that needs to be negotiated for.

Then stick an ammeter on one of the power rails and see how much current it's *actually* drawing, and you'll be able to tell whether the phone is violating spec, or it's just the laptop being unable to power it.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

minivanmegafun posted:

Grab a USB cable, hack off one end, strip wires, meter?

I was kind of hoping there was some pro-tip which didn't involve sacrificing an innocent cable. Oh well.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Jabor posted:

If you look at the root hub the device is attached to in Device Manager, you can see how much power the device is requesting. 100mA is guaranteed, anything more than that needs to be negotiated for.

Then stick an ammeter on one of the power rails and see how much current it's *actually* drawing, and you'll be able to tell whether the phone is violating spec, or it's just the laptop being unable to power it.

Huh, I never knew that functionality existed - I'll give it a go tomorrow. Maybe there'll be a difference if I look on the desktop vs. laptop too.

GargleBlaster
Mar 17, 2008

Stupid Narutard

Sylink posted:

I hate people that act as if the company laptop we have given them is personally theirs.

We are switching to Windows 7 so I have to do a lot of the easy transfer. No matter how many times I tell people everything will be in the same spot (accounting for a few UI differences) they refuse to believe I'm not stealing their files.

We get that quite a bit as well. I've had one insist on actually witnessing me erasing their old iPhone, absolutely poo poo scared of the data on it being uncovered. Curiouser and Curiouser...

minivanmegafun
Jul 27, 2004



rolleyes posted:

I was kind of hoping there was some pro-tip which didn't involve sacrificing an innocent cable. Oh well.

Who isn't up to their ears in useless broken or crap USB kit?

Balzac Jones
Dec 26, 2008


enotnert posted:

Means there is porno on it, possibly homegrown. . .

There's very little I love more than when one of our helpdesk students finds a professor's porn stash while trying to remove a virus from their personal laptop.

Bonus points if the student is taking a class from the professor at the time.

Triple bonus if the professor is the student's thesis adviser.

Thel
Apr 28, 2010



Balzac Jones posted:

There's very little I love more than when one of our helpdesk students finds a professor's porn stash while trying to remove a virus from their personal laptop.

Bonus points if the student is taking a class from the professor at the time.

Triple bonus if the professor is the student's thesis adviser.

Quadruple bonus if the student goes "Hey wow, never seen this before?".

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

jeoh-kun posted:

The iPad is a great piece of hardware severely limited by Apple's walled garden circlejerk. Would love to have a comparable Android tablet

I'm not against the iPad, but comments like this are a little baffling. There have been Windows UMPCs since 2008 (remember Origami project?)

You could run any app you like on them, they had Atom processors instead of lovely ARMs as well as real USB ports and video outputs.

Why did it take the iPad, a device which is strictly inferior in every way save for perhaps UX, to get people to start using them?

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003

"This song is in Rock Band."

Thel posted:

Quadruple bonus if the student goes "Hey wow, never seen this before?".

Quintuple if it's of another student in the class/department.


~Coxy posted:

Why did it take the iPad, a device which is strictly inferior in every way save for perhaps UX, to get people to start using them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field

fake edit: also, iOS devices are the first gadgets I've used to have done touch interfaces well enough that they're not annoying

The Fool fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2010 around 03:56

EvilMuppet
Jul 28, 2006

Bork Bork Bork

~Coxy posted:

I'm not against the iPad, but comments like this are a little baffling. There have been Windows UMPCs since 2008 (remember Origami project?)

You could run any app you like on them, they had Atom processors instead of lovely ARMs as well as real USB ports and video outputs.

Why did it take the iPad, a device which is strictly inferior in every way save for perhaps UX, to get people to start using them?

Because for the majority of users (Not accusing anyone in here)Apple products are fashion accessories first and useful devices second.

Mr VacBob
Aug 26, 2003
Was yea ra chs hymmnos mea

~Coxy posted:

I'm not against the iPad, but comments like this are a little baffling. There have been Windows UMPCs since 2008 (remember Origami project?)

You could run any app you like on them, they had Atom processors instead of lovely ARMs as well as real USB ports and video outputs.

Why did it take the iPad, a device which is strictly inferior in every way save for perhaps UX, to get people to start using them?

Because there is nothing interesting about a computer except for its UX.

enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed

EvilMuppet posted:

Because for the majority of users (Not accusing anyone in here)Apple products are fashion accessories first and useful devices second.

Well the problem is, and I'm sad to admit this. . . as far as touch interfaces go, the first majorly marketed one was the iPhone/iPodtouch, it translated into the iPad.

I worked with many UMPCs and what nots and windows touch interface was pretty much balls, every medical guy I've had to go to with one has a custom application running on top of windows fullscreened to where you don't know it's windows.

It's also the "tablet allure" I currently have a professor with a tablet PC (install date 2005) thats tablet (required an RF stylus) no longer works because that hardware finally died. Laptop looks like a dog chewed it up, digested it, spit it out, then it came back for another 5-6 helpings, to which I told today when her wireless wasn't working right. . .

"Your wireless card is dead"
"So what do I do?"
"Get a new laptop"
"BUT THIS IS MY TABLET!"

She hasn't used the tablet part of it in 2 years, but because it's a "tablet" it garners respect.

yaoi prophet
Apr 9, 2007

"keep twisting junior all you get is clicks." - Barack HUSSEIN Obama, 2012


~Coxy posted:

Why did it take the iPad, a device which is strictly inferior in every way save for perhaps UX, to get people to start using them?

Because UX is king for 99% of end users, as Mr VacBob and enotnert pointed out. The people in this thread are willing to put up with somewhat worse interfaces for better features, specs, etc. But most people aren't.

madprocess
Sep 23, 2004

by Ozmaugh


yaoi prophet posted:

Because UX is king for 99% of end users, as Mr VacBob and enotnert pointed out. The people in this thread are willing to put up with somewhat worse interfaces for better features, specs, etc. But most people aren't.

Most people are also not buying iPads either. Most people have no need or want for the whole device range available, they're happy with a phone and a computer.

seadweller
Mar 30, 2010


The Fool posted:

Quintuple if it's of another student in the class/department.


Sextuple :-) if its a colleague working on a female professors laptop - who lectures in feminism and feminist theory and discovers home made porn of her.. tied up ... tied up to a cross .... while being whipped.

100% true.

God academia can bring out the non conformists.

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

less faggotry, more rs4.

seadweller posted:

Sextuple :-) if its a colleague working on a female professors laptop - who lectures in feminism and feminist theory and discovers home made porn of her.. tied up ... tied up to a cross .... while being whipped.

100% true.

God academia can bring out the non conformists.

So where's the file?

GargleBlaster
Mar 17, 2008

Stupid Narutard

~Coxy posted:

Why did it take the iPad, a device which is strictly inferior in every way save for perhaps UX, to get people to start using them?

It was the first one that was thought out properly instead of just saying " hay guys we need a tablet so we can say we have a tablet" and throwing one together in 5 minutes. (Okay the RDF and fashionites will have played some part, but it's not the whole story)

Whatever you think of Apple and their walled garden approach, every other company so far (except a certain copycat who has also copied the walled garden approach) has tried to shoe-horn a standard desktop OS and interface onto it with the finger acting as a mouse. Apple's is tailor made and the apps are tailor made, right from the ground up with optimisation for touch control. It really shows.

I guess that does in essence boil down to UX. But who wants to use something that's a pain to use and not even designed for the input method at hand? Apple are pretty good at figuring out what most people would tolerate living without in order to have the better UX. Flash for example. Outside of the "bash Apple" crowd I don't really know *that* many people who miss it. Given how much it's abused by web designers, I certainly don't (I tend to block it on my desktops anyway) and I'm happier having the responsiveness and battery life.

GargleBlaster fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2010 around 11:06

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Yeah I flashblock pretty much everything except video sites, and they tend to have Apple-specific versions available anyway so I could still use them if I ever got anything iOS related. You'd be surprised how much flashblock improves your laptop battery life.

On the iPad side of things, it really does come down to the UI and it's a classic 'techie person' mistake to write that off as unimportant. As Apple have amply demonstrated, a decent interface trumps most other requirements for most users even when said users aren't consciously aware of that fact.

rolleyes fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2010 around 11:50

Syano
Jul 13, 2005


Yep. Everyone talking about user experience has got it. For the last 2 years we have been trying to find the perfect touch capable portable device for clinical documentation. We have used everything imaginable from panasonic toughbooks to motion computing tablets to full sized touch screens riding on top of med carts to those Archos tablets (which by the way are the most terrible thing ever produced).

Ipads are the first device we have found that has the proper mix of portability, usability and price point. It isnt perfect, but its a lot better than anything out there right now. I personally wanted the company to try and hold out for the Blackberry playbook. From a business perspective I imagine that will probably be the better device. You never know though, it may suck just as hard as the archos tablets.

seadweller
Mar 30, 2010


HalloKitty posted:

So where's the file?

safely located in the CMA folder for use in dire emergencies when academic support is needed.

serewit
Jan 13, 2008

Revolutionary Posters Liberation Front
Est. 1883


Syano posted:

Ipads are the first device we have found that has the proper mix of portability, usability and price point. It isnt perfect, but its a lot better than anything out there right now. I personally wanted the company to try and hold out for the Blackberry playbook. From a business perspective I imagine that will probably be the better device. You never know though, it may suck just as hard as the archos tablets.

The Playbook looks kinda terrible in the videos that I've seen, but we'll see. RIM has the art of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory down to a science.

wrt tablets, though, I find it the height of amusement that when I request an iOS device to do UX and mobility application tests on, it gets denied since "we already have those!" (ie, C-Levels and Directors have iPhone 4's that hardly get used aside from email and calls/iPads that hardly get used except to browse the web) - which I never touch, since they're not mine. I can, however, go out and buy android tablets to my hearts content with nary an eyebrow raised.

It's 90% emotional status symbol/"everyone else is using ipads why aren't we?!?!" and 10% cool toy.

Midelne
Jun 19, 2002

I shouldn't trust the phones. They're full of gas.

seadweller posted:

Sextuple :-) if its a colleague working on a female professors laptop - who lectures in feminism and feminist theory and discovers home made porn of her.. tied up ... tied up to a cross .... while being whipped.

That doesn't strike me as much of a conflict, really, just not a good idea to keep on a machine that you're ever going to hand to someone else.

You also probably don't want to ever, ever try to use those in a CYA situation since the storm that would erupt would be far too large to ride and the act of taking them was in violation of at least a couple laws pertaining to computer access.

Just sayin'.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



I always said that tablets would be a niche market for businesses, with healthcare being the business most likely to find them useful.

I guess any job where clipboards and pens are currently used could consider using an iPad or similar device.


In some ways I hope they do well in this area. I'm sure some people in this thread have seen how if you wander about the site with a clipboard nobody questions you and therefore it's a great skive. If wandering about with an iPad projects the same image, you could do the same skive while also posting on the forums.

Sylink
Apr 17, 2004


Maybe someone has an explanation for this:

I work as helpdesk for Windows 7 machines which means I have admin access through my domain account on all our computers.

If I need to get into a user's documents folder from my account I go to Users/username.

Windows 7 says "You do not have permission to access this folder" with a Continue prompt.

I hit continue, it opens the folder anyway and I can edit everything, as I should able to anyway.

What the gently caress Windows?

Ted Stevens
Jun 2, 2007

by T. Finn


If I remember this right, it's because hitting continue is granting you rights to access those files. It's actually allowing you to do that because you're an admin. Other users wouldn't have that ability. It's a security measure. I've seen this before on hard drives I've pulled from other computers and it does that.

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have an oral fixation and it's not the sexy kind

Sylink posted:

Maybe someone has an explanation for this:

I work as helpdesk for Windows 7 machines which means I have admin access through my domain account on all our computers.

If I need to get into a user's documents folder from my account I go to Users/username.

Windows 7 says "You do not have permission to access this folder" with a Continue prompt.

I hit continue, it opens the folder anyway and I can edit everything, as I should able to anyway.

What the gently caress Windows?

Having admin rights on a Windows 7 system doesn't mean it uses them by default. It uses the restricted user tolken and that dialog basically adds your user account to the ACL for that directory so the user object can get in without elevation. If you're doing support, the best thing to do is work remotely by going to \\computername\c$\users and then you will be accessing with an admin token and will have read/write access everyplace that admin accounts normally would.

seadweller
Mar 30, 2010


Midelne posted:

That doesn't strike me as much of a conflict, really, just not a good idea to keep on a machine that you're ever going to hand to someone else.

You also probably don't want to ever, ever try to use those in a CYA situation since the storm that would erupt would be far too large to ride and the act of taking them was in violation of at least a couple laws pertaining to computer access.

Just sayin'.

The conflict was this happily married academic was interacting in these photos with severl other male academics non of who were her husband.

The CMA folder thing was a joke I probably should have made clearer

Information is power I know they exist, the person in them knows they exist, and she knows we know they exist - explicitly told us to check her files after a laptop died.

It just means that we know where the bodies are buried which makes people a lot more hesitant to be prima donna's and demand sackings etc in the event of problems.

"He lost my data sack him!!!!"

"Yes we lost that but what is this on university equipment?"

result issue sufficiently muddied that no one comes out clean but no one gets sacked.

The number of times we come across stuff like this is genuinely interesting to the point of wondering if its statistically more common in academics than the general population. Possibly its a combination of student perception of teachers as older wiser and more worldly and impressionable student minds. I've definately seen that in a non work environment when instructing in a martial art.

Academia is so political its unreal - its been a hell of a day.

seadweller fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2010 around 16:07

Midelne
Jun 19, 2002

I shouldn't trust the phones. They're full of gas.

seadweller posted:

The conflict was this happily married academic was interacting in these photos with severl other male academics non of who were her husband.

That's not all that uncommon in some parts of the BDSM/poly scene, and the poly scene seems to have significant overlap with feminist and postmodern theory in at least the parts of the subculture with which I have secondhand familiarity through a couple of friends.

Not that the above has anything to do with computers - you just might find that this knowledge isn't really worth anything as a deterrent if it came down to it. There are some communities in which it would be highly unfortunate for someone in the poly lifestyle to be publicly outed, and there are a fair number in which it wouldn't be all that bad. I don't know where you're located, so it's really up to you to make the call as to what kind of environment you work and live in.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009

If only faces could talk...


Midelne posted:

That's not all that uncommon in some parts of the BDSM/poly scene, and the poly scene seems to have significant overlap with feminist and postmodern theory in at least the parts of the subculture with which I have secondhand familiarity through a couple of friends.


Through a couple of friends...sure sure.

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007



As my fiancée says, "wanting to be tied up doesn't make me a bad feminist."

enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed

As my wife says "just don't get it in my hair"

seadweller
Mar 30, 2010


Midelne posted:

That's not all that uncommon in some parts of the BDSM/poly scene, and the poly scene seems to have significant overlap with feminist and postmodern theory in at least the parts of the subculture with which I have secondhand familiarity through a couple of friends.

Not that the above has anything to do with computers - you just might find that this knowledge isn't really worth anything as a deterrent if it came down to it. There are some communities in which it would be highly unfortunate for someone in the poly lifestyle to be publicly outed, and there are a fair number in which it wouldn't be all that bad. I don't know where you're located, so it's really up to you to make the call as to what kind of environment you work and live in.

The key thing to remember is this is an example I am prepared to use on a web forum its not the only instance or by any stretch of the imagination for want of less pejorative term "worst". I have no issue with BDSM / poly activities personally

wait for it

joke coming

wait for it

as long as I can watch ;-)

Seriously to finish this derail the person in question left our department a number of years ago and is now happily running a department somewhere in USA and good luck to them we never had any problems with her.

pienipple
Mar 20, 2009

That's wrong!


~Coxy posted:

I'm not against the iPad, but comments like this are a little baffling. There have been Windows UMPCs since 2008 (remember Origami project?)

You could run any app you like on them, they had Atom processors instead of lovely ARMs as well as real USB ports and video outputs.

Why did it take the iPad, a device which is strictly inferior in every way save for perhaps UX, to get people to start using them?

Like most apple products; they didn't invent it but they made it glossy and put a lot of work into the ui, then marketed the hell out of it.

Can't say it's a bad business model, they're obviously making bank on it.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007



6 months of every do-nothing middle-manager and shithead sales-prick bitching and moaning resulted in this:

quote:

From: Director of IT
To: Everybody
Subject Shut up about ipads!

Stop begging IT to buy you an ipad.

Stop submitting requests full of bullshit excuses why you suddenly can't do your job any more unless we waste £300 of the already overstretched budget on a glorified etch-a-sketch.

You want a drat ipad go to the apple shop and buy one with your own drat money. And don't bring it here and expect us to support it either.

The next person begging us to buy them some stupid fashion toy gets a formal warning.

NO IPADS. PERIOD!

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Midelne
Jun 19, 2002

I shouldn't trust the phones. They're full of gas.

Sweevo posted:

6 months of every do-nothing middle-manager and shithead sales-prick bitching and moaning resulted in this:

I hope you laughed aloud and clapped your hands with childish glee upon reading that, because I probably would've.

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