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GargleBlaster
Mar 17, 2008

Stupid Narutard

Reminds me of that philosophy they had in Star Trek (TNG onwards) where when they're not zipping around in extremely high-tech environments they prefer to leave computers and replicators behind and instead run farms and live in medieval housing.

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Ted Stevens
Jun 2, 2007

by T. Finn


This. This is what I want:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW4C9SDoBSQ

Followed by singing, "We got to install microwave ovens, we've got to move these color TEEEEEVEEEEEEs."

Ted Stevens fucked around with this message at Dec 27, 2010 around 00:58

Arsten
Feb 18, 2003


LakesGuzzler posted:

Reminds me of that philosophy they had in Star Trek (TNG onwards) where when they're not zipping around in extremely high-tech environments they prefer to leave computers and replicators behind and instead run farms and live in medieval housing.

What I always wondered about this is that there is a crazy-advanced technical society, and yet more or less every episode would show "space" as the technophiles' wet dream, but planets were agrarian.


WHY do you need agrarian society when you have replicators? I can see making experimental hybrids like Orange-Blueberry fruit or Tomacco to get new replicator patterns, but how much space would that take on a planet the size of earth? Even if you dedicated a significant resource to it, maybe the state of Iowa? I expect the rest of the planet to look roughly like this.

nmfree
Aug 15, 2001

The Greater Goon: Breaking Hearts and Chains since 2006


Arsten posted:

What I always wondered about this is that there is a crazy-advanced technical society, and yet more or less every episode would show "space" as the technophiles' wet dream, but planets were agrarian.


WHY do you need agrarian society when you have replicators? I can see making experimental hybrids like Orange-Blueberry fruit or Tomacco to get new replicator patterns, but how much space would that take on a planet the size of earth? Even if you dedicated a significant resource to it, maybe the state of Iowa? I expect the rest of the planet to look roughly like this.
That's always struck me as odd, especially when people will constantly bitch about how replicated food isn't as good as the real thing. Then I realized that in that universe replicated food is like going to McDonald's today; sure, it's convenient, relatively cheap, and fast, but a burger fresh off the grill will (almost) always taste better.

PopeOnARope
Jul 23, 2007

Hey! Quit touching my junk!


Why do stupid people do horrible things to their computers?

A few days ago I had a guy call us up about his computer being slow!!! I took a look at the build - 180 days old, I7-960, 12GB DDR3-1333, 2x1TB HDD; RAID 0. And it runs like liquid poo poo in the OS. Then I take a look at what he's installed.

Full suites from Sammsoft, Uniblue, and Ram Booster.

Why the gently caress do you need Ram Booster? Are you really doing something that demands the 12GB of ram entirely? Wait, you play solitaire on here. Why the gently caress did you spend $3000 on a system to play loving solitaire on. You know what, gently caress it, I don't care. I'm not spending an hour uninstalling all of this poo poo because you click on every goddamn flashing banner you've ever seen. We're re-installing your loving OS.

CraigK
Nov 4, 2008

tonged again


PopeOnARope posted:

Why do stupid people do horrible things to their computers?

A few days ago I had a guy call us up about his computer being slow!!! I took a look at the build - 180 days old, I7-960, 12GB DDR3-1333, 2x1TB HDD; RAID 0. And it runs like liquid poo poo in the OS. Then I take a look at what he's installed.

Full suites from Sammsoft, Uniblue, and Ram Booster.

Why the gently caress do you need Ram Booster? Are you really doing something that demands the 12GB of ram entirely? Wait, you play solitaire on here. Why the gently caress did you spend $3000 on a system to play loving solitaire on. You know what, gently caress it, I don't care. I'm not spending an hour uninstalling all of this poo poo because you click on every goddamn flashing banner you've ever seen. We're re-installing your loving OS.

But think of how loving fast those cards in Solitaire will fly!

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007



PopeOnARope posted:

Why the gently caress did you spend $3000 on a system to play loving solitaire on.

Shops see people like that coming and sell them the most ridiculously over-spec'ed system imaginable.

Socket 1366 is usually a good indicator that the buyer was either conned, or a moron. The 12GB RAM and RAID are the icing on the cake.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Sweevo posted:

Shops see people like that coming and sell them the most ridiculously over-spec'ed system imaginable.

Socket 1366 is usually a good indicator that the buyer was either conned, or a moron. The 12GB RAM and RAID are the icing on the cake.

How much do you want to bet that the RAID was sold as a backup solution.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007



I had to talk a friend out of spending £2000 on a PC like that. The shop had him convinced that web browsing and listening to MP3s requires an i7-960 Extreme, 12GB RAM, six hard drives in RAID 5, two blu-ray drives (wtf?), and a pair of 5870s.

enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed

Sweevo posted:

I had to talk a friend out of spending £2000 on a PC like that. The shop had him convinced that web browsing and listening to MP3s requires an i7-960 Extreme, 12GB RAM, six hard drives in RAID 5, two blu-ray drives (wtf?), and a pair of 5870s.

I bet it'll play a hell of an HDYoutube

Crowley
Mar 13, 2003


enotnert posted:

I bet it'll play a hell of an HDYoutube

..on his 64kb/s ISDN.

GargleBlaster
Mar 17, 2008

Stupid Narutard

Arsten posted:

What I always wondered about this is that there is a crazy-advanced technical society, and yet more or less every episode would show "space" as the technophiles' wet dream, but planets were agrarian.

I think there's meant to be a sort of "wholesome-ness" and romanticism to it. I guess in a super advanced world they get nostalgic about stuff that came even before our time. Whilst we imagine we'd get a kick out of peeling potatoes by putting them through a transporter beam and doing the transporter equivalent of Photoshop's "contract selection" or whatever, or just bypassing the whole thing and replicating an entire meal, I guess they have the opposite... get bored of technology and find going back to basics fun.

So a captain goes home and the first thing you see is him peeling spuds for a soup (always a soup, that's all they eat on land in the Trek universe), tending to a farm or drinking tea out of those quaint little cups your grandparents had, messing about with the hassle of an open wood fire etc. Strange but there you go.

PopeOnARope posted:

Why the gently caress do you need Ram Booster?

Because it sounds awesome! It BOOSTS his RAMZ!!! Everyone needs their RAMZ boosting!!

Stonefish
Nov 1, 2004

Chillin' like a villain

rolleyes posted:

How much do you want to bet that the RAID was sold as a backup solution.

RAID is my (personal) backup solution. It's worked so far.
I've got two linux raid servers now. Any suggestions for having one back the other up? It won't cover fire, theft or lightning, but it'll cover everything else if done right.

Factory Factory
Mar 19, 2010

I can do sex. It's just alien sex.


Stonefish posted:

RAID is my (personal) backup solution. It's worked so far.
I've got two linux raid servers now. Any suggestions for having one back the other up? It won't cover fire, theft or lightning, but it'll cover everything else if done right.

The point is that drive redundancy protects from only one type of problem, and doesn't protect against fire, theft, hamfisting the delete key, or software errors caused by things not the hard drive(s). By having two servers, you're getting the bigger idea of "backup": a separate copy of the data.

enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed

Stonefish posted:

RAID is my (personal) backup solution. It's worked so far.
I've got two linux raid servers now. Any suggestions for having one back the other up? It won't cover fire, theft or lightning, but it'll cover everything else if done right.

Have the main one rsync to the second one every couple of days if it's something critical, every other week or so if it's just junk like tv/movies/music.

Maggot Monster
Nov 27, 2003


Stonefish posted:

RAID is my (personal) backup solution. It's worked so far.
I've got two linux raid servers now. Any suggestions for having one back the other up? It won't cover fire, theft or lightning, but it'll cover everything else if done right.

My new backup solution is dropbox/flickr (flickr for photos, dropbox for the rest) and it's probably the best solution of all. I love it, and my laptop, desktop and linux server all sync between each other now. Definitely worth the cash to me.

Stonefish
Nov 1, 2004

Chillin' like a villain

enotnert posted:

Have the main one rsync to the second one every couple of days if it's something critical, every other week or so if it's just junk like tv/movies/music.

Sure, that's the easy way. Can it be done without the heirarchy?

Detroit Q. Spider
Jan 17, 2004

I'm dealing with it, Mother.


PopeOnARope posted:

Why do stupid people do horrible things to their computers?

A few days ago I had a guy call us up about his computer being slow!!! I took a look at the build - 180 days old, I7-960, 12GB DDR3-1333, 2x1TB HDD; RAID 0. And it runs like liquid poo poo in the OS. Then I take a look at what he's installed.

Full suites from Sammsoft, Uniblue, and Ram Booster.

Why the gently caress do you need Ram Booster? Are you really doing something that demands the 12GB of ram entirely? Wait, you play solitaire on here. Why the gently caress did you spend $3000 on a system to play loving solitaire on. You know what, gently caress it, I don't care. I'm not spending an hour uninstalling all of this poo poo because you click on every goddamn flashing banner you've ever seen. We're re-installing your loving OS.

Sweevo posted:

I had to talk a friend out of spending £2000 on a PC like that. The shop had him convinced that web browsing and listening to MP3s requires an i7-960 Extreme, 12GB RAM, six hard drives in RAID 5, two blu-ray drives (wtf?), and a pair of 5870s.

These people are literally Homer Simpson.

enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed

Stonefish posted:

Sure, that's the easy way. Can it be done without the heirarchy?

What do you mean without the heirarchy? How are you trying to rsync.

For instance, I have an offsite server at my parents to mirror the one I keep at home. I don't gives no fucks about config files/etc I have, just that the files are somewhat safe. Every day I run one of these

rsync -avz ~/Photos/* enotnert@parents:/Photos/.

and one for documents in my home directory.

and then once a month one that includes other media I'm backing up.

It's easy, it works.

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

I
AMERICA
AND ISRAEL„
APPLE PIE
AND
ICECREAM


I was at my previous job for 5 years and and I don't even remember how many times I had to "update my CV."

It wouldn't have even been so aggravating if it was just literally updating my previous CV, adding a line or two about my most recent project, maybe a course I've taken.

But loving hell, the company that hired me was bought by a bigger company, and then that was bought by another. Each had their own internal skills databases, one changed systems while I was there and none of the systems actually outputted a file that could be sent to prospective clients.

So I had to input the same loving data to multiple different proprietary systems that each had worster UI than the last, then export that data to an doc file that had the company letterhead and formatting, then basically rewrite the whole document anyway.

So, not daily, but it's relevant since I just switched jobs and had to do it again.

Sickening
Jul 15, 2007

Now... Let's go synthesize some LSD!


You know what pisses me off? Calling everything critical. If everything is critical, nothing is critical.

Stonefish
Nov 1, 2004

Chillin' like a villain

enotnert posted:

It's easy, it works.

Yeah, I know, I said that.

What I mean by without the heirarchy is without declaring one server to be the "first" server, or the primary or whatever. If I found myself writing data to the "other" box in it's rsync target directory, I imagine it would get nuked by the stuff from the primary when backup time comes.
I guess I'd like something a little more flexible and clever than that.

rolleyes
Nov 16, 2006

Sometimes you have to roll the hard... two?

Stonefish posted:

Yeah, I know, I said that.

What I mean by without the heirarchy is without declaring one server to be the "first" server, or the primary or whatever. If I found myself writing data to the "other" box in it's rsync target directory, I imagine it would get nuked by the stuff from the primary when backup time comes.
I guess I'd like something a little more flexible and clever than that.

It sounds like you want synchronisation rather than backup.

madprocess
Sep 23, 2004

by Ozmaugh


Stonefish posted:

Yeah, I know, I said that.

What I mean by without the heirarchy is without declaring one server to be the "first" server, or the primary or whatever. If I found myself writing data to the "other" box in it's rsync target directory, I imagine it would get nuked by the stuff from the primary when backup time comes.
I guess I'd like something a little more flexible and clever than that.

There's this thing called the 3-2-1 rule for backup.

You want 3 copies (the original and 2 others)
Out of those, you want 2 different local storage copies, the original and on a separate device, ideally a different medium as well.
And the last copy should be on an offsite backup, preferably an online one.

The local copy protects you if just the computer gets hosed, the offsite one protects you if the building burns down or some jackass steals your computer and your backup device.

potato of destiny
Aug 20, 2005

Wheeeeee!



madmaan posted:

You know what pisses me off? Calling everything critical. If everything is critical, nothing is critical.

URGENT THIS AFFECTS PATIENT CARE

please defrag my megabytes thanks

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing

potato of destiny posted:

URGENT THIS AFFECTS PATIENT CARE

please defrag my megabytes thanks

We just got one like this where a change to one of the back end servers "CAUSED CONVERSION RATES IN (sales market) TO DROP 19%".

So the executives got together and the first question our department asked was "Can you explain how?" and there was no answer forthcoming beyond "WELL IT IS OBVIOUS TO ME."

Our exec said "Well, don't blame a bad quarter on us if you're just grasping at straws." and adjourned the meeting.

And what did the back end server host, you ask?
department file shares

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



LakesGuzzler posted:

Why does this pleasant tale of bringing someone out a near comatose state by the simple act of taming this evil monster known as "the computer" piss me off? I don't know... I guess I wish people didn't feel they have to be paralysed with fear when facing different results to what they expected. The computer will not kill you.

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sfwarlock
Aug 11, 2007


Lum posted:

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Arsten
Feb 18, 2003


boo_radley posted:

And what did the back end server host, you ask?
department file shares

Well, obviously Excel uses different math based upon your hard drive's UID. If it didn't, there's be ANARCHY because our data wouldn't be SAFE FROM HACKERS.

Maker Of Shoes
Sep 4, 2006

We're giving you a hint.


Arsten posted:

Well, obviously Excel uses different math based upon your hard drive's UID. If it didn't, there's be ANARCHY because our data wouldn't be SAFE FROM HACKERS.

You forgot the 's

Corvettefisher
Sep 8, 2007



At my work we ship out about 200-250 computers a month, all have to be imaged. Our WDS server consists of a GX Optiplex 755, windows 2003, early Dual core 2gb of ram, 5400 80 gig HDD... No answer/unattend file, basic Vista image we have to login and install drivers, ect, then remove the user we made and redo sysprep... And the icing on the cake is it is a 10/100 switch for the WDS network... I was looking for documentation on where stuff was or how stuff it set up, but there is absolutely none, and really I feel as if know one knows what I am doing, hell we still were using 2003 till I bought up why 2008 r2 is but better than 2003 32bit...

Oh and the real kicker is our back bone is 3 Netgear switches...

Nebulis01
Dec 30, 2003
Technical Support Ninny

Corvettefisher posted:

At my work we ship out about 200-250 computers a month, all have to be imaged. Our WDS server consists of a GX Optiplex 755, windows 2003, early Dual core 2gb of ram, 5400 80 gig HDD... No answer/unattend file, basic Vista image we have to login and install drivers, ect, then remove the user we made and redo sysprep... And the icing on the cake is it is a 10/100 switch for the WDS network... I was looking for documentation on where stuff was or how stuff it set up, but there is absolutely none, and really I feel as if know one knows what I am doing, hell we still were using 2003 till I bought up why 2008 r2 is but better than 2003 32bit...

Oh and the real kicker is our back bone is 3 Netgear switches...

You don't happen to work in Redmond, WA for a consulting firm do you? I swear you described the environment I left this past April

Corvettefisher
Sep 8, 2007



No, at least I am able to upgrade things even though I am the new guy, most my idea's sell. Now it is just trying to convince people that Virtualization is a GOOD thing and we SHOULD do it. A 2008 DC does not need 16 cores and 12gb of ram for less than 500 employees, we can use all that for other things.... fffffffffffffff

Midelne
Jun 19, 2002

I shouldn't trust the phones. They're full of gas.

Corvettefisher posted:

No, at least I am able to upg2008 DC does not need 16 cores and 12gb of ram

It looks like you're not the only one whose ideas sell.

Ted Stevens
Jun 2, 2007

by T. Finn


You know, we do have an unused machine laying around. I've been trying to configure an image system for our computers. Like right now, I've got about 15 machines to deploy coming up next month. What is the best way to go about doing that? For 2 laptops, I just set one up with all the software I needed on it and used Windows 7's backup system to make an image of the drive and copy to the other. I just pop in a Windows recovery CD or whatever it's called and use that image. I'm done in less than 20 minutes.

I was looking into WDS, but I don't know which way I should go with it.

Corvettefisher
Sep 8, 2007



Ted Stevens posted:

You know, we do have an unused machine laying around. I've been trying to configure an image system for our computers. Like right now, I've got about 15 machines to deploy coming up next month. What is the best way to go about doing that? For 2 laptops, I just set one up with all the software I needed on it and used Windows 7's backup system to make an image of the drive and copy to the other. I just pop in a Windows recovery CD or whatever it's called and use that image. I'm done in less than 20 minutes.

I was looking into WDS, but I don't know which way I should go with it.
Link to everything I describe http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...28WS.10%29.aspx
Assuming they are all the same model,
Set up one master computer and install all the software onto it, then remove the user account you are using and in run console type "\windows\system32\sysprep\sysprep.exe /oobe /shutdown" . After doing so make an Imagex CD, capture and image of the HDD, store it somewhere. Fire up a WDS role on windows 2008 Load the .wim file to the server (along with boot.wim that will be on a CD of windows), hook them up and select boot from network, and presto!

enotnert
Jun 10, 2005

Only women bleed

Ted Stevens posted:

You know, we do have an unused machine laying around. I've been trying to configure an image system for our computers. Like right now, I've got about 15 machines to deploy coming up next month. What is the best way to go about doing that? For 2 laptops, I just set one up with all the software I needed on it and used Windows 7's backup system to make an image of the drive and copy to the other. I just pop in a Windows recovery CD or whatever it's called and use that image. I'm done in less than 20 minutes.

I was looking into WDS, but I don't know which way I should go with it.

If it's just a one off cloning, and you don't feel like fidgeting with WDS make an image with sysprep and use clonezilla. Free, cheap, works well.

Corvettefisher
Sep 8, 2007



enotnert posted:

If it's just a one off cloning, and you don't feel like fidgeting with WDS make an image with sysprep and use clonezilla. Free, cheap, works well.

Probably the better option here if you only plan to do 15 computers and can not see expansion in the near future.

Ted Stevens
Jun 2, 2007

by T. Finn


Thanks for the help, guys. This is an office of around 60 desktops (most of them are the same model, Optiplex 980 or something like that). But I have the resources to do pretty much anything I want with them. I wanted to try something different other than just ghosting/clonezilla. We're going to be replacing all sorts of computers in the future and installing Windows 7/Office 2010 with a specific base install.

Also, I've been doing a ton of Googling and any of these WDS setups only involve Vista. Can Windows 7 work with this? They should, right?

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Stonefish
Nov 1, 2004

Chillin' like a villain

WDS can handle anything from XP onwards.

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