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Mr. Wilson
Apr 18, 2008

God of Gape
I don't pay my rent on time, post people's private lives and then expect them to pay for my custom title.



timb posted:

Windows users are just as guilty of this...

Windows users are more likely to call it CPU than hard drive.

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hermand
Oct 3, 2004

V-Dubbin


Mr. Wilson posted:

Windows users are more likely to call it CPU than hard drive.

Not sure what point you're trying to prove, but all illiterate users will pretty much just call it whatever buzzword they last heard. CPU, hard disk, modem or whatever. I don't think there's corrolation between the type of system.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



hermand posted:

Not sure what point you're trying to prove, but all illiterate users will pretty much just call it whatever buzzword they last heard. CPU, hard disk, modem or whatever. I don't think there's corrolation between the type of system.

Well old Macs running System 6 used to have an icon labelled "Macintosh HD", which looked suspiciously like the base unit of your typical desktop chassis mac at the time.

Hell, my memory may be failing me, but I think the "Classic" shape macs (SE, SE/30 etc.) the icon changed to a picture of the whole mac, complete with built in monitor. Not 100% on this one as it's been a long time.

Even if the second point is wrong, it's still going to be quite easy to associate that base unit with the term "HD" when the computer manufacturer is reinforcing that through their misleading icon.


That may be why Mr. Wilson sees the base unit == hard drive mistake coming more from mac users than windows users. The CPU thing is actually quite logical if you think about it from the perspective of someone without technical computer knowledge beyond plugging it in so is likely to be seen equally among all types of users (though some would argue that mac users are less likely to know how to plug the drat thing in )

Mr. Wilson
Apr 18, 2008

God of Gape
I don't pay my rent on time, post people's private lives and then expect them to pay for my custom title.



Lum posted:



That's exactly where it comes from... but somehow this has carried over into newer generations of Mac users and I can't figure out how.

Also,

Step one: plug in
Step two: get connected
Step three: there is no step three!

HATE TROLL TIM
Dec 14, 2006

Kickstarter Hate Criminal


Mr. Wilson posted:

That's exactly where it comes from... but somehow this has carried over into newer generations of Mac users and I can't figure out how.

Also,

Step one: plug in
Step two: get connected
Step three: there is no step three!


Hard drives still default to [/i]Macintosh HD[/i], so it makes sense I suppose. I did dial-up tech support for years and here's my ranking of what Windows users called the computer:

1. CPU
2. Hard Drive
3. "That Box"
4. Modem
5. VCR (I have no idea...)

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


Open source zealotry pisses me off.

Anyone who beleives that open source software is inherently superior and that micro$haft is loving us again and feels the need to espouse this any time software is mentioned.

"That's a great app, but I'll never use it because it's proprietary."

"Jabber will rule the world one day because it's an open standard."

All of this. I come across it more and more and it's really getting on my nerves.

The Monarch
Jul 7, 2006



Casao posted:

Open source zealotry pisses me off.

Anyone who beleives that open source software is inherently superior and that micro$haft is loving us again and feels the need to espouse this any time software is mentioned.

"That's a great app, but I'll never use it because it's proprietary."

"Jabber will rule the world one day because it's an open standard."

All of this. I come across it more and more and it's really getting on my nerves.

You know I've never seen the point of open sourcing. Obviously if you want to show off your coding skills, or just want to open source because you have no reason not to that's fine. What always confused me is just what theory is driving the idea that open sourcing your stuff is better? Unless it's just some lame "I don't want to pay for software" kind of thing. I'm not a programmer though so there's probably something obvious I'm missing.

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

The Monarch posted:

You know I've never seen the point of open sourcing. Obviously if you want to show off your coding skills, or just want to open source because you have no reason not to that's fine. What always confused me is just what theory is driving the idea that open sourcing your stuff is better? Unless it's just some lame "I don't want to pay for software" kind of thing. I'm not a programmer though so there's probably something obvious I'm missing.

I kind of prefer open source because it usually means standards have been more carefully thought out. Many Microsoft and other companies' products tend to look ok on the outside, but you can definitely tell they've been rushed when you look at things like Windows' chaotic file structure or IE6/7's bizarre proprietary CSS attributes.

So yeah, I guess it's a development thing.

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

And I have had my final fatty blunt, and it was good.


The Monarch posted:

You know I've never seen the point of open sourcing. Obviously if you want to show off your coding skills, or just want to open source because you have no reason not to that's fine. What always confused me is just what theory is driving the idea that open sourcing your stuff is better? Unless it's just some lame "I don't want to pay for software" kind of thing. I'm not a programmer though so there's probably something obvious I'm missing.

Just like in that Pidgin thread,

With open source, if (company|individual|group) develop a software product, and it sucks, nobody is going to use it. When the cream rises from the huge crop, not only the application itself but all of it's source is under a wide peer review and is open for commentary, and good ideas not only can be proposed but implemented community wide by the users of the software. With proprietary software, the elite of the end users who are skilled in software engineering cannot make improvements, or find security holes, or any of the like.

There is a place for both proprietary and oss, and I believe neither is inherently "better," proprietary software has usually a larger budget, comprehensive support and a financial motivator to release good product. OSS on the other hand, even if it's "just a bunch of neckbeards around the world contributing to the project" on their own free time, happens to be responsible for some core pieces used in the internet infrastructure. It's all choice. Apache, Linux/BSD, MySQL/PostgreSQL, etc.... Let's take a look at what "powers" most of the web right now, from Netcraft.

Apache/*nix: 50.69%
IIS/Windows: 35.47%

That's one way that OSS is stomping proprietary software.

Now what about office suites? I hate abiword, I hate OO.Org, and MS Office (Pre-2007 version) I am familiar with and works great.

There are pros and cons to both sides, but the entire holy war from either camp is just stupid.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

Come on, Kickstarter my heart!


Zorilla posted:

I kind of prefer open source because it usually means standards have been more carefully thought out.

Zorilla
Mar 23, 2005

GOING APE SPIT

Chris Knight posted:



Obviously, I don't use Linux desktop environments very often.

Ashex
Jun 24, 2007

These pipes are cleeeean!!!

Zorilla posted:

Obviously, I don't use Linux desktop environments very often.

Desktop environments are the exception to though out standards. The bonus of open source is that every knows just how hosed up the standards are for the environment.

narby
Oct 27, 2002


Remind me later buttons as opposed to NEVER BOTHER ME AGAIN buttons. I'm looking at you itunes and adobe acrobat.

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

And I have had my final fatty blunt, and it was good.


narby posted:

Remind me later buttons as opposed to NEVER BOTHER ME AGAIN buttons.

Oh god yes. I hate self-important software.

I don't give a gently caress if my cd player has a update as long as it plays CD. I don't care if my cell phone has new firmware, it makes calls. It sure shouldn't nag me about it every day.

I have a cat for something to nag at me.

Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

30% Iron Chef


To wander a little bit from UIs and mouthbreathing customers, gently caress Steam right in the ear. I'd heard all sorts of good things about Portal, so I picked it up when I saw that it was being sold individually. I expected to pop the CD in, install, and start playing. No, no, no, that CD just installs Steam. I've now got to spend a few hours loving downloading the game I just bought, I have to run Steam in the background to play it (and it doesn't close itself once I quit the game), and I need an Internet connection every time I want to play.

I'll never buy anything from Valve again.

HPL
Aug 28, 2002

Worst case scenario.

narby posted:

Remind me later buttons as opposed to NEVER BOTHER ME AGAIN buttons. I'm looking at you itunes and adobe acrobat.

And Windows Media Player. I'd like an option longer than a month, how about NEVER?

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000


Rogue Istari posted:

I need an Internet connection every time I want to play.

Welcome to the 21st Century, enjoy your stay

The larger problem is that every publisher wanted to hop on the bandwagon and have their own Internet delivery system and bloaty client hogging the system tray. If it's only one, and is reasonably minimal and updated it's not too bad.

MrMoo fucked around with this message at May 2, 2008 around 08:09

Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

30% Iron Chef


It's an exclusively single-player game. There is absolutely no reason for an Internet connection to be involved unless I'm checking for updates, and that shouldn't require an additional program in any case.

I guess it's supposed to be like iTunes for games or something, and I have no problem with giving people the option to buy games via downloads, but if I'm buying a hard copy that should be the end of it. What am I supposed to do when Valve goes out of business?

The fact that the game comes in a double-thickness DVD case despite containing nothing but a disc and a slip of paper (god forbid anything come with a paper manual anymore) is also pretty damned silly.

Sang-
Nov 2, 2007


Rogue Istari posted:

It's an exclusively single-player game. There is absolutely no reason for an Internet connection to be involved unless I'm checking for updates, and that shouldn't require an additional program in any case.

I guess it's supposed to be like iTunes for games or something, and I have no problem with giving people the option to buy games via downloads, but if I'm buying a hard copy that should be the end of it. What am I supposed to do when Valve goes out of business?

The fact that the game comes in a double-thickness DVD case despite containing nothing but a disc and a slip of paper (god forbid anything come with a paper manual anymore) is also pretty damned silly.

If Valve go out of business, they have said they will release patches to allow people to play offline iwth out the authentication servers

Kerris
Jul 12, 2006
Don't you fucking dare compliment a woman's voice on the forums, you fucking creepy stalker.

Erwin posted:

FLASH BASED GOD DAMNED ENTIRE lovely SITE
Oh yeah? Well the entirely Silverlight-based websites will definitely be better than those sucky Flash-based ones!



I'm Libertarian u ASS
Jan 20, 2007

by Fragmaster


Darkriverangel posted:

If Valve go out of business, they have said they will release patches to allow people to play offline iwth out the authentication servers

I wonder if theyll do the same for their 3rd party steam games as well.

Snowcow
Oct 17, 2007



Rogue Istari posted:

and I need an Internet connection every time I want to play.
Click 'go offline'.

Rogue Istari posted:

It's an exclusively single-player game. There is absolutely no reason for an Internet connection to be involved unless I'm checking for updates, and that shouldn't require an additional program in any case.
There is for Valve, and that's authentication.

I used to hate Steam with a passion. Now I love it.

KennyG
Oct 22, 2002
Here to blow my own horn.

duz posted:

I use it when I'm in Windows and I don't own an iPod. I use it because I like the interface and have a modern computer with very few songs (Less than 500).


Fixed it for you.


I have an iPod and a modern computer(2gb of ram) and iTunes seriously is the bane of my existence. I have 30k MP3s and just opening or closing iTunes takes about 10 seconds. RIDICULOUS! Winamp does open in about 2 seconds and closes instantly. Also the search is better (read more responsive) If I could just get iTunes to export playlists as loving M3U's I wouldn't have a problem, but as it stands I have to chose between my iPod's considerable playlists or rebuilding the 2500 or so songs I want to listen to on shuffle.

narby
Oct 27, 2002


Another thing that irritates the poo poo out of me is windows feeling the need to decide what folder properties I should have just because there happens to be an mp3 or jpeg in a folder with 100 other non media files.

You know what? I really don't need a loving "myrating" column for anything, let alone a directory full of cpp files and headers you son of a bitch.

All I want is to be able to sort by filename, file type, size and modified

Factor Mystic
Mar 19, 2006

Baby's First Post-Apocalyptic Fiction

narby posted:

Another thing that irritates the poo poo out of me is windows feeling the need to decide what folder properties I should have just because there happens to be an mp3 or jpeg in a folder with 100 other non media files.

You know what? I really don't need a loving "myrating" column for anything, let alone a directory full of cpp files and headers you son of a bitch.

All I want is to be able to sort by filename, file type, size and modified

Assuming you're running Vista, folder template auto detection can be easily disabled
code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell]
"FolderType"="NotSpecified"

narby
Oct 27, 2002


Factor Mystic posted:

Assuming you're running Vista, folder template auto detection can be easily disabled
code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell]
"FolderType"="NotSpecified"

Awesome! thank you

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


Rogue Istari posted:

To wander a little bit from UIs and mouthbreathing customers, gently caress Steam right in the ear. I'd heard all sorts of good things about Portal, so I picked it up when I saw that it was being sold individually. I expected to pop the CD in, install, and start playing. No, no, no, that CD just installs Steam. I've now got to spend a few hours loving downloading the game I just bought, I have to run Steam in the background to play it (and it doesn't close itself once I quit the game), and I need an Internet connection every time I want to play.

I'll never buy anything from Valve again.

What? Did they release some stand-alone portal box or something? Because the orange box definitely has the games on the DVDs, that's where there are two of them.

Steam isn't always the perfect solution, but once you actually give it a shot, it's just well done all around. I wouldn't have problems with steam becoming a part of every game, really. Updating is built in, it's amazingly simple to download and install any game you own on any computer, you can burn CD backups if that's your thing and it integrates the friends list and servers list nicely. You add some friends and you can see what they're playing and join their server.

And pretty much any part of what I said above can be disabled if it's something you want to avoid. The only real problem is that online prices take forever to drop.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Excellent. The Arkham Asylum
shower cam is operational.

KennyG posted:

Fixed it for you.

Not quite, I've got 12k songs taking up just shy of 70G. Not everyone has problems with iTunes.

nail
Jul 15, 2005



I'm really tired of this guy:

What do I want Windows to do? How about shut the gently caress up and let me get to it all by myself?

I remember with a particular hard drive I had, there was a checkbox that said "Always perform the selected action." Yet no matter how many times I checked it and selected "Take no action," there it was again every time I connected the drive.

Also why is this non-resizeable dialog the wrong size, requiring the presence of a scrollbar with about a quarter-inch to move?

Dyscrasia
Jun 23, 2003
Give Me Hamms Premium Draft or Give Me DEATH!!!!

Factor Mystic posted:

Assuming you're running Vista, folder template auto detection can be easily disabled
code:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\Local Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell]
"FolderType"="NotSpecified"

Thanks as well.

Those folder views would be awesome if they were customizable (column sizes, visible columns etc) and Vista actually remembered your settings.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

hyperborean posted:

I remember with a particular hard drive I had, there was a checkbox that said "Always perform the selected action." Yet no matter how many times I checked it and selected "Take no action," there it was again every time I connected the drive.



i have a similiar problem with any sort of movie files. If I double click like normal, the "Which Program would you like to use?" prompt comes up. If I click on "ALWAYS USE THIS" it never sticks.

Mr. Wilson
Apr 18, 2008

God of Gape
I don't pay my rent on time, post people's private lives and then expect them to pay for my custom title.



Hey new Windows update! Oh, it's just the WGA tool for the buttfuck millionth time. Neh, no install. I want me some other updates. What's that? I still have to prove my Windows is real? Okay. Hey I can go ahead. Okay, now that that is done... why is auto update still talking about WGA? Okay, I'll install it so it fucks off for the next 37 hours. Whoa. Suddenly my software isn't genuine?

Jim DiGriz
Apr 28, 2008

Maybe there is no room for guys like us.


Just a quick turn back to mouthbreathing customers: I do tech support/maintenance for some people, and there's a lawyer couple that never ceases to amaze me:

- The man, about 45 years old, using Windows machines for a decade, called me, saying that his Outlook windows somehow got dragged outside the screen. While frantically trying to remember how to move windows with key shortcuts, it turns out, that he just didn't friggin know, that he can move windows around with mouse drag.

- The woman, maybe some years younger, can't learn double-clicking. Watching her get through his endlessly embedded Documents folder by clicking the folder with the mouse, and reaching out for Enter to open it everytime... I've never felt so helpless just seeing it.

The Monarch
Jul 7, 2006



To continue the flash hate: if your loving website can freeze a pentium four with a gig of ram then your website is loving ANNOYING. I shouldn't have to go into task manager and manually close the Firefox process because you're advertising your lovely web search engine.

gently caress you http://www.computerandvideogames.com

FallenGod
May 23, 2002

Unite, Afro Warriors!

The Monarch posted:

gently caress you http://www.computerandvideogames.com

I could get as high as 50% CPU usage at times on a C2D E6750, if the stars aligned on all those ads

I've played 1920x1080 videos that were easier on my CPU than that.

plainswalker75
Feb 22, 2003

Pigs are smarter than Bears, but they can't ride motorcycles


The loving physical on/off switch for the WiFi radio on laptops, especially when it's right next to the clamshell release; this was the root cause of 80% of the network connectivity issues that came through when I worked for the college help desk. Is it really that hard to have a button like normal people, Toshiba??

Karanth
Dec 25, 2003
I need to finish Xenogears sometime, damn it.

The Monarch posted:

You know I've never seen the point of open sourcing. Obviously if you want to show off your coding skills, or just want to open source because you have no reason not to that's fine. What always confused me is just what theory is driving the idea that open sourcing your stuff is better? Unless it's just some lame "I don't want to pay for software" kind of thing. I'm not a programmer though so there's probably something obvious I'm missing.
Open source of the RMS kind comes from the days when computing was a more collaborative, academic, and scientific affair. You build on each other's work to make increasingly awesome things, not rewrite everything every single time because someone might steal your hashing algorithm or something.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense for bleeding edge stuff sometimes, and that's where the "I don't want to pay for software" people live. Where it's awesome is for tools and libraries that other projects build on to do massively useful stuff. Linux. GCC. libpng. libpurple. Freetype. MySQL. Postgres. Eclipse. These things represent problems that for all intents and purposes have been solved by the field of computing as a whole, so instead of everyone either rewriting a lot of complex software or paying through the nose for proprietary software that hasn't fundamentally changed in 20 years we just use what's already there and move on to more interesting problems to solve. People either write something that is clearly better or get the gently caress out.

Look at it this way. Where would mathematics as a field be if whoever came up with the algorithm for solving 10 = 2x for x decided that it was a trade secret and anyone wanting to use it needed to buy a license? As a field defined by applied mathematics, computing really can't afford to be retarded by that kind of garbage forever.

The innovators will usually have a profit motive. This is a good thing; they'll come up with new ideas, sell great products, and everyone will be happy. Then you have organizations that would love to sit on a product they created years ago and cry foul when free software eats their lunch. Open source makes sure that proprietary software has good reasons to keep innovating so that they still have something worth selling, while providing the very building blocks that help enable that innovation in the first place.

Oh, and gently caress flash/silverlight abuses.

Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

30% Iron Chef


Casao posted:

What? Did they release some stand-alone portal box or something? Because the orange box definitely has the games on the DVDs, that's where there are two of them.

Steam isn't always the perfect solution, but once you actually give it a shot, it's just well done all around. I wouldn't have problems with steam becoming a part of every game, really. Updating is built in, it's amazingly simple to download and install any game you own on any computer, you can burn CD backups if that's your thing and it integrates the friends list and servers list nicely. You add some friends and you can see what they're playing and join their server.

And pretty much any part of what I said above can be disabled if it's something you want to avoid. The only real problem is that online prices take forever to drop.

Yeah, Portal went standalone last month for $20.

I guess being able to download a game from anywhere is cool if you unexpectedly find yourself somewhere with a computer with a good Internet connection but no install discs (if you expected to be playing you could've just brought the disc, after all), and friends/servers lists are definitely useful if you do a lot of multiplayer gaming (I don't). If an external program's going to manage other programs' updates, though, I'd rather just have Windows do it directly like it does with stuff like Office.

I'm sure Steam's great for some players playing some games, but it really adds nothing for me.

plainswalker75 posted:

The loving physical on/off switch for the WiFi radio on laptops, especially when it's right next to the clamshell release; this was the root cause of 80% of the network connectivity issues that came through when I worked for the college help desk. Is it really that hard to have a button like normal people, Toshiba??

Yeah, gently caress physical switches for wireless connections. And gently caress wireless managers whose on/off toggle overrides enabling or disabling the card through the Windows connection manager without any indication that that's the case (i.e. Windows shows the card as enabled and trying to enable does nothing despite the card actually being disabled). Oh, and gently caress any company that sticks an Atheros 5006 or 5007 wireless card in a laptop; for no apparent reason they can never get past authentication with my school's WPA network.

The Remote Viewer
Jul 9, 2001


Darkriverangel posted:

If Valve go out of business, they have said they will release patches to allow people to play offline iwth out the authentication servers

That won't actually happen, though. "Going out of business" is a lot more complicated than someone saying "Okay, we're shutting down next week, someone write a patch to disable Stream authentication." Sometimes there's no notice. Sometimes someone else wants to buy the IP with their own ideas about how to handle things like that. Sometimes the employees are more worried about what items from the office they can pillage before the lights are turned off.

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Karanth
Dec 25, 2003
I need to finish Xenogears sometime, damn it.

Rogue Istari posted:

Yeah, gently caress physical switches for wireless connections. And gently caress wireless managers whose on/off toggle overrides enabling or disabling the card through the Windows connection manager without any indication that that's the case (i.e. Windows shows the card as enabled and trying to enable does nothing despite the card actually being disabled). Oh, and gently caress any company that sticks an Atheros 5006 or 5007 wireless card in a laptop; for no apparent reason they can never get past authentication with my school's WPA network.

How about gently caress wireless managers in general? What's that? You want to install your completely loving redundant software with a garbage interface that duplicates functionality already well integrated into the OS? Get bent.

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