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Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
CRYBABY FUCK


hyperborean posted:

In case you have some ancient monitor that doesn't support anything higher. It's dumb alright, but helpful on the bench.

DDC has been a standard for more than a decade. Microsoft has supported it since Windows 98/2000. Windows already knows the display's maximum refresh rate at a given resolution, so why does it default to 60 Hz?

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nail
Jul 15, 2005



Space Gopher posted:

DDC has been a standard for more than a decade. Microsoft has supported it since Windows 98/2000. Windows already knows the display's maximum refresh rate at a given resolution, so why does it default to 60 Hz?
Legacy?

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



Space Gopher posted:

DDC has been a standard for more than a decade. Microsoft has supported it since Windows 98/2000. Windows already knows the display's maximum refresh rate at a given resolution, so why does it default to 60 Hz?

Posting this from an XP machine with a monitor that can only be connected via a 5xBNC cable. DDC doesn't work here.

That said, it still annoys the crap out of me. I made the effort to get the correct monitor.inf file, so XP should know what resolutions it is capable of.

It also pisses me off that nVidia don't provide any way around it in their drivers either. You have to get the third party ReForce program to sort it out.


On an unrelated note. Thanks for the USBDLM program posted earlier. It is awesome, expecially since I can finally remove stupid crap from the safely remove hardware menu. However I can't remove the two individual drives that make up my NVRAID RAID0, since the drives don't show up directly in device manager, and thus I can't get their device IDs. Any idea how I might find them?

nail
Jul 15, 2005



Lum posted:

I can't remove the two individual drives that make up my NVRAID RAID0, since the drives don't show up directly in device manager, and thus I can't get their device IDs. Any idea how I might find them?
Try Unknown Devices

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


Trebek posted:

The fact that's it's 2008 and I still get "untitled.bmp" bug in IE. I'm forced to use IE by my company.

This. There is no excuse for this. This happens any time I make the mistake of loading IE.

FrantzX posted:

http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...kb;en-us;260650

Short answer, clear out your temp cache.

Um, no. You can load up a brand new computer with an empty cache set to 200 Gigs, and still get "untitled.bmp" when you try to save an image.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



hyperborean posted:

Try Unknown Devices

That worked, however I had to use the "Device Instance" field, not the DeviceID, and specify it as ComplteDeviceID1=IDE\DiskHitachi_HDS721680PLA380_________________P21OABEA\R202020202020565038463430335A57543641544C
in USBDLM.INI before it would work.

My safely remove hardware menu is now completely empty. Unfortunately it hasn't removed the icon from the taskbar.After a reboot it's now gone. yay!

Lum fucked around with this message at May 24, 2008 around 14:30

nail
Jul 15, 2005



Lum posted:

a monitor that can only be connected via a 5xBNC cable.
You know, I've always wondered about these. What's 5xBNC on the other end? Any time I've seen those monitors, they had a cable that was VGA at the other end. What's the point?

Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006
CRYBABY FUCK


hyperborean posted:

You know, I've always wondered about these. What's 5xBNC on the other end? Any time I've seen those monitors, they had a cable that was VGA at the other end. What's the point?
Some old professional graphics stuff supported 5xBNC output. The idea is that, with high-quality coax cable, you can run higher frequency signals longer than VGA with less signal loss and interference. VGA was only ever designed to carry 640x480 over short distances; coax with BNC connectors is designed to carry high-frequency signals over long distances.

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000


Space Gopher posted:

DDC has been a standard for more than a decade. Microsoft has supported it since Windows 98/2000. Windows already knows the display's maximum refresh rate at a given resolution, so why does it default to 60 Hz?

So flat panels work out of the box?

I have an el cheapo Taiwan 12" LCD monitor bought last year, no DDC pin. Interestingly Ubuntu 8.04 install really fucks up without DDC, the language menu can only display ~15 lines and the shutdown/reboot menu can only show 2!

my stepdads beer
Feb 24, 2001




Visual Studio, why do you insist on opening new tabs to left of all the currently open ones? And why the gently caress did you roll your own GUI widgets

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



hyperborean posted:

You know, I've always wondered about these. What's 5xBNC on the other end? Any time I've seen those monitors, they had a cable that was VGA at the other end. What's the point?

What Space Gopher said, also most of such monitors will work with a 13W3 -> 3xBNC cable and the 13W3 connector does have much higher quality RGB pins (they're a bit like the smaller Wireless antenna connectors)

I'm currently looking for a DVI-I->5xBNC cable, that should improve the image a bit over VGA.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?


Cool Matty posted:

Two things that piss me off, one is related to the other.

1.
Bluetooth tethering on OS X. Works great when it connects. When it connects.

I've had two really fun issues with tethering on my Macs.

1. On 10.4.10, certain flash videos would cause the Bluetooth stack to flip out. I could browse and download all day without issues, but there were a few flash videos that I could repeatably browse to and have my tethered internet connection fail. I could connect and disconnect all day, but I wouldn't actually be able to use it until I rebooted.

2. On Leopard, after a few days of uptime the menu bar modem control stops responding, so clicking connect does nothing. I can still connect from the Network prefpane just fine.

such a nice boy posted:

kill -9 [pid]
or
killall -9 [programname]

For a while NicePlayer was unkillable, even with kill -9, after playing a DVD. I haven't played a DVD in a while so I don't know if this is still the case.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


wolrah posted:

I've had two really fun issues with tethering on my Macs.

1. On 10.4.10, certain flash videos would cause the Bluetooth stack to flip out. I could browse and download all day without issues, but there were a few flash videos that I could repeatably browse to and have my tethered internet connection fail. I could connect and disconnect all day, but I wouldn't actually be able to use it until I rebooted.

2. On Leopard, after a few days of uptime the menu bar modem control stops responding, so clicking connect does nothing. I can still connect from the Network prefpane just fine.

This mention of Bluetooth has once again reminded me of my rage against Leopard. Tiger had Bluetooth support in address book, allowing you to connect them and make calls, see caller id and send/receive texts all from your computer. It was great. Then Leopard came out, and this feature was completely removed. It wasn't mentioned. It hadn't been having problems in Tiger. It was just removed. Every time I think about it I try to drop feedback about this to Apple, but it doesn't seem to be coming in any future point releases. For some reason they felt that a working, usable feature should be removed. The only replacement is a shareware application that's not as closely integrated.

I wonder if it's because the iPhone's bluetooth implementation is rear end and couldn't do a single bit of that. I have hope the 3g iPhone will have this functionality and herald the return of this in Leopard. But it probably won't =(

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Aug 15, 2004

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el topo posted:

Having used Notes for several years when I was working for a major bank the only explanation everyone could agree on was that Notes was simply the of collaboration software, and that this was actually a feature of Notes from the design onwards.

I only want to check my email, so it's perfectly logical that I should want the full implementation of a complex RDBMS with a built-in IDE and the world's weirdest and least-user-friendly GUI running on my computer all the time!

In another lifetime I used to be a notes admin/developer. During that era notes 3-5 it really was leaps and bounds above everything else for workflow, collaboration and security. It also clutched desperately to a UI which was from to early in the windows era for anyone to have a feeling of what a standard design in windows should look like. Couple that with the fact that IBM bought it pretty early in it's existence and most of the people who were making IT decisions in that era for the type of companies that bought Notes went by the purchasing motto "No one ever got fired for choosing IBM."

All that said it had so many idiosyncrasies and did so much poo poo so differently from anything else it was could be an insanely frustrating beast. Combine that with the fact it was not an RDBMS and people constantly tried to make it do RDBMS poo poo or tried to do some RDBMS stuff but took advantage of the fact you could randomly ad fields to records it had a tendency to become a huge freaking mess.

PopeOnARope
Jul 23, 2007

Hey! Quit touching my junk!


Captain Cool posted:

With a keyboard shortcut or by clicking the tab? If it's about clicking, then that is really low. Get a flashblock plugin.

If it's a keyboard shortcut, it's focus stealing. When you click in a flash object, your keyboard commands get captured by the flash object and not passed through to the browser.

Which makes no goddamn sense because most flash objects don't need crap for inputs, and all they should need to do is rethrow the keyboard event if it's not needed. I guess that could make people accidentally lose focus of the object while playing a game, or most flash authors would just capture all keyboard events anyway and have them not do anything. But, seriously, youtube, you don't ever need to capture pagedown or shift+tab. Let me check something else. I'll be back in two seconds, I promise.

I have that problem with EVERY SINGLE flash media player ever known. Why, y'know youtube / random porn site, maybe I don't want to WATCH for the duration, maybe I just want to tab to other poo poo to listen; oh wait, can't CTRL + TAB, whoops. Maybe I want to close this godawful tab. Nope, can't do that. Also, flash media players that start automatically can gently caress off.

Add these to the aggrivation of focus stealing, and you'd see why I have bent keyborads.

Zhentar
Sep 28, 2003

Brilliant Master Genius


PopeOnARope posted:

Also, flash media players that start automatically can gently caress off.

I have a habit of using a lot of windows and tabs in firefox (Currently I have 19 windows, with a total of 51 tabs, open). Sometimes, I'll open a youtube video in a tab, pause it, and plan to watch it later. A couple days later, firefox will crash, I'll restore the session, and as the tabs start loading suddenly I'll be greeted by a garble of sounds all on top of each other. Then I get to search through all my tabs to find the videos and turn them off.

syphon^2
Sep 22, 2004


PopeOnARope posted:

Also, flash media players that start automatically can gently caress off.
This kind of reminds me...

I absolutely hate any program (website or otherwise, I'm looking at you MSN Messenger) that plays music without me explicitly pressing a 'Play' button. This is usually a Myspace page, or some page with a 'multimedia ad' (aka, one that makes sound). MSN Messenger has these sometimes, and I hate it.

ampersandy
Jan 21, 2005
SEVEN why

Heaven help you if you ever try to build a Gnome app that has even one external dependency.

If you ever feel so inclined, be forewarned that that dependency will have two of its own. One of those two will be installed, but be too old. So you'll install the newer version, which now has a dependency which isn't installed. And so on.

I occasionally have to start over building the original app I wanted because I forget what program depended on the thing I just installed.

I guess this is why package managers rule.

Lum
Aug 13, 2003



^^^^^^

I don't even use Gnome and I hate that crap. I install one single Gnome based app because there isn't a suitable KDE app or an app that is neither Gnome or KDE. Suddenly the package manager wants to pull in about 30 pieces of poo poo libraries that will be left behind when I remove the app.

At least with kde you're just going to get kdelibs and qt

ninepints
Mar 25, 2007
four and a half quarts

Going back a few pages, I too hate programs that insist on regurgitating files all over the desktop and My Documents folder. On the desktop, it's usually applications whose developers are convinced that their application is the best thing ever and every single user will want at least three desktop shortcuts to access it as quickly as possible. Adobe Reader is the first example that springs to mind: no option to disable the desktop shortcut in the installer. And honestly, who launches the reader separately and then opens .pdf files?

withak
Jan 15, 2003

F != m * a

liquidXenon posted:

And honestly, who launches the reader separately and then opens .pdf files?

Most of my bosses. One of them even stores all his work in c:\word, c:\powerpoint, c:\autocad etc and insists on keeping filenames as short as possible. He somehow keeps track of what his cryptic sequences of 6-10 letters and numbers mean in a directory with hundreds of .doc files, but no one else can.

ZeeBoi
Jan 17, 2001



Zhentar posted:

I have a habit of using a lot of windows and tabs in firefox (Currently I have 19 windows, with a total of 51 tabs, open). Sometimes, I'll open a youtube video in a tab, pause it, and plan to watch it later. A couple days later, firefox will crash, I'll restore the session, and as the tabs start loading suddenly I'll be greeted by a garble of sounds all on top of each other. Then I get to search through all my tabs to find the videos and turn them off.
I'm waiting for YouTube to add the option of turning autoplay off.

nail
Jul 15, 2005



withak posted:

Most of my bosses. One of them even stores all his work in c:\word, c:\powerpoint, c:\autocad etc and insists on keeping filenames as short as possible. He somehow keeps track of what his cryptic sequences of 6-10 letters and numbers mean in a directory with hundreds of .doc files, but no one else can.
Why 10 and not 8?

withak
Jan 15, 2003

F != m * a

It may be more than 10, I don't know. It's the result of years of training with 8.3 filenames, like there is some benefit from making the filenames as short as possible. Except now there is no error when you type a name longer than eight letters so they just end up short an meaningless to everyone but him.

Athas
Aug 6, 2007
Clever newbie!

Lum posted:

At least with kde you're just going to get kdelibs and qt

Well yeah, but kdelibs is loving enormous. GNOME apps at least have the option to only depend on just what they need.

nail
Jul 15, 2005



withak posted:

It may be more than 10, I don't know. It's the result of years of training with 8.3 filenames, like there is some benefit from making the filenames as short as possible. Except now there is no error when you type a name longer than eight letters so they just end up short an meaningless to everyone but him.
Yeah, limiting to 8 characters I could understand, even though it's obsolete and no longer useful. But more than that while still remaining too short to be decipherable really is dumb.

Partycat
Oct 25, 2004

NO NOT LIKE THE STUPID CAT WITH THE PIPE AND HAT AND SUCH

Zhentar posted:

Edit: Oh yeah, and now that I installed the new Vista RDP client, it insists on asking me every time if I trust 127.1.2.3 with access to my clipboard. Is clipboard access really that dangerous?

I know I'm a page or two behind on this thread, again...

Back when I knew people working on this web project, one of the things they had it do was capture the clipboard of people who visited. Always lots of juicy tidbits in there, from copy and pasted URL's, AIM messages, and other things. So yes, it can be considered a security risk.

Z
Jun 25, 2002



withak posted:

Most of my bosses. One of them even stores all his work in c:\word, c:\powerpoint, c:\autocad etc and insists on keeping filenames as short as possible. He somehow keeps track of what his cryptic sequences of 6-10 letters and numbers mean in a directory with hundreds of .doc files, but no one else can.

Sounds like a DOS veteran

plastickiwi
Dec 19, 2001

Tickled purple

Oh, and lovely WINDOWS PRINTING!

Seriously, we've had a usable Windows for what, 18 years or so? Why is it so hard to write a print spooler that can cancel a print job without bringing the entire system to its knees?

Hell, I'd be satisfied if the damned thing would actually cancel a job reliably in any amount of time. This is *still* a problem in XP after all these years, no matter what Microsoft says.

Yeah, yeah, "two-way communication"; "printer not ready"; "peripheral management is difficult," etc. I get that. It's such a fundamental problem, though, that I'm baffled as to why it can't be put to bed once and for all.

I've been clenching my sphincter every time I've needed to manage Windows print queues for the last couple of decades. I can't count the number of users I've told "Windows printing is a little screwy." Macs are better, but that's not saying much.

Antigen v2.0
May 16, 2004


plastickiwi posted:

Oh, and lovely WINDOWS PRINTING!

Seriously, we've had a usable Windows for what, 18 years or so? Why is it so hard to write a print spooler that can cancel a print job without bringing the entire system to its knees?

Hell, I'd be satisfied if the damned thing would actually cancel a job reliably in any amount of time. This is *still* a problem in XP after all these years, no matter what Microsoft says.

Yeah, yeah, "two-way communication"; "printer not ready"; "peripheral management is difficult," etc. I get that. It's such a fundamental problem, though, that I'm baffled as to why it can't be put to bed once and for all.

I've been clenching my sphincter every time I've needed to manage Windows print queues for the last couple of decades. I can't count the number of users I've told "Windows printing is a little screwy." Macs are better, but that's not saying much.

Yeah I love explaining to end users that Microsoft still can't fix a fundamental problem that has been occuring as long as I can remember. It seems that the print spooling / canceling is one area that XP was hardly an improvement over any of their previous OS offerings.

Suspicious
Apr 30, 2005
You know he's the villain, because he's got shifty eyes.


I think we're all too quick to forget how utterly horrible printing was in Windows 95. XP/2003 is perfect by comparison.

twofish
Apr 17, 2006

.

Legacy POS devices. Why do all recipt printers and cash registers still use serial connections with non-standard BOD rates and come with no real drivers? It's like all the companies that make these things still think it's 1994 or something. I'm genuinely amazed, some of the most well known and popular receipt / cash-register devices seem to have zero support and still assume a DOS environment.

I mean, I have to change jumpers and read a 20 page technical document written for engineers. What the gently caress is this, the 80's? What is wrong with you people, its not that hard to adhere to some loving standards. Plug and play has been around for like 8 years.

Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

And I have had my final fatty blunt, and it was good.


Dano Bodango posted:

Legacy POS devices.

Well, that's the whole problem. You have a niche market with a slow turnover in product, and most of it IS legacy.

And when a company does upgrade its infrastructure, they are consulting through a company that consults through another company to build the product. They are more interested in the reports and integration of inventory management and reporting than the protocol that the receipt printers use, I'd imagine.

It sucks when you are looking for a receipt printer to attach to a laptop for use at a flea market, but, a lot of the tech IS that old.

DOOMocrat
Oct 2, 2003

There'll be peace
when you are done


Antigen v2.0 posted:

Yeah I love explaining to end users that Microsoft still can't fix a fundamental problem that has been occuring as long as I can remember. It seems that the print spooling / canceling is one area that XP was hardly an improvement over any of their previous OS offerings.

Yes, but splice that with Novell printing and NDPS and you have my daily nightmare.

Xenomorph
Jun 13, 2001


I get pissed at printing in MacOS X.

I don't know if its been fixed in 10.5, but on most of the systems I work with, we use 10.3:

- It wont list any shared printer with a long shared name (longer than 12 characters).

- If you need to change an IP address on a printer, you can't. You have to delete the entire printer and re-add it.

- If you add a printer and want to test it, you can't. There is no "Print a Test Page" function. You have to open some other program and type out "TEST" or whatever, remember to colorize it, and then print it.

- Cryptic/useless error messages. Connecting to a shared printer, I was prompted for my username/password to authenticate. I chose not to save it to the keyring or whatever its called (I wanted the user to be prompted each time). However, since I didn't save it, I get an NT_AUTHENTICATION_FAILED error when printing because it simply does NOT ask for the password after the first time. Since I didn't want to save it, it thinks I never want to use it? And if you want to change your mind, you have to delete it and re-add it again like if you want to change the IP.

- Another useless error: The port was set wrong that it was supposed to print to. It didn't say it couldn't connect, or tell us the wrong port, it just said "Printer Busy", and had an animated progress bar, like it would work if we waited.

Yeah, working with Macs and printers has been hell for us where I'm at right now. We have to spend 10 times longer messing with them than with the Windows system.
I WISH we had the level of print functionality that XP or Windows 2000 has.

EVGA Longoria
Dec 25, 2005

Let's go exploring!


Xenomorph posted:

I get pissed at printing in MacOS X.

I don't know if its been fixed in 10.5, but on most of the systems I work with, we use 10.3:

- It wont list any shared printer with a long shared name (longer than 12 characters).

- If you need to change an IP address on a printer, you can't. You have to delete the entire printer and re-add it.

- If you add a printer and want to test it, you can't. There is no "Print a Test Page" function. You have to open some other program and type out "TEST" or whatever, remember to colorize it, and then print it.

- Cryptic/useless error messages. Connecting to a shared printer, I was prompted for my username/password to authenticate. I chose not to save it to the keyring or whatever its called (I wanted the user to be prompted each time). However, since I didn't save it, I get an NT_AUTHENTICATION_FAILED error when printing because it simply does NOT ask for the password after the first time. Since I didn't want to save it, it thinks I never want to use it? And if you want to change your mind, you have to delete it and re-add it again like if you want to change the IP.

- Another useless error: The port was set wrong that it was supposed to print to. It didn't say it couldn't connect, or tell us the wrong port, it just said "Printer Busy", and had an animated progress bar, like it would work if we waited.

Yeah, working with Macs and printers has been hell for us where I'm at right now. We have to spend 10 times longer messing with them than with the Windows system.
I WISH we had the level of print functionality that XP or Windows 2000 has.

I couldn't get my mac to print to a shared printer on my windows machine. I tried and tried and it was just a bitch.

Also, very nice title, what brought that on?

Karo
May 23, 2008

Alle Ruder stehen still, wenn dein starker Arm es will.


If only Windows had 'no system sounds' as a default. I can tell whenever someone in the library is turning on or off his or her laptop. And these people do not seem to notice that it could be turned off. They wouldn't even miss it if it wasn't there.

Smoke
Mar 11, 2005

I am NOT a red Bumblebee for god's sake!

Karo posted:

If only Windows had 'no system sounds' as a default. I can tell whenever someone in the library is turning on or off his or her laptop. And these people do not seem to notice that it could be turned off. They wouldn't even miss it if it wasn't there.

At my old helpdesk job I got to hear the XP startup and shutdown sounds far too much, both on the phone and in the office from the test boxes. One guy eventually set his ringtone to the XP startup sound so nobody would notice his cellphone ringing.

I hate those sounds. But I wouldn't go for no sounds at all, but rather for a default scheme with no startup and shutdown sounds. Error beeps can be useful.

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007



Sniep posted:

Well, that's the whole problem. You have a niche market with a slow turnover in product, and most of it IS legacy.

And when a company does upgrade its infrastructure, they are consulting through a company that consults through another company to build the product. They are more interested in the reports and integration of inventory management and reporting than the protocol that the receipt printers use, I'd imagine.

It sucks when you are looking for a receipt printer to attach to a laptop for use at a flea market, but, a lot of the tech IS that old.

In the business world people also like to stick with what they know works, particularly when talking about the financial side of things. In some ways you're better off sticking to old technology that's had 20+ years of development instead of going with a cutting edge, but flaky system.

Much of the banking world still runs on systems written 30 years ago, that are known to be robust. Travel agents still use terminal emulators to access booking systems. The car dealership I used to work at had a nice fancy new system for all the sales staff to use, but when an actual sale was made all communication with the manufacturer was done via 1200bps dial-up, and I know that a lot of the manufacturer's internal communication was still Token Ring.

Sweevo fucked around with this message at May 26, 2008 around 15:18

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scottch
Oct 18, 2003
"It appears my wee-wee's been stricken with rigor mortis."

I do internal support for a telecom in the Atlantic provinces of Canada. A few years back, they "merged" with a larger, national telecom. Most of my day-to-day work is with employees of this "smaller" telecom (it's still pretty drat big, by all means) on our domain. The larger telecom maintains their own domain, and we have ours. However, there are links between both domains, though it isn't in any forest-trust type model. A few weeks ago, they resumed work on a project to coalesce the domains into one. Something like 6% of our users got migrated before they decided to can it as it was creating an awful lot of headaches.

So, we've got two separate domains, with varuious apps validating against different domains, which is confusing enough. Then there are the handful of people who are still on the larger domain, which hasn't been too much of an issue, unless you want to make any changes to their account in Active Directory. To do so, we have to submit requests through a web-based app, and wait for someone on the other domain to approve it. It makes any sort of AD-based troubleshooting almost impossible, as you have to submit a request, and then tell the user they just have to wait and see if this works, and then to start the whole process over if it doesn't fix it.

This, in and of itself, is enough to piss me off daily, but luckily there aren't that many users in this situation, so it's easy enough to deal with. What really pisses me off is the loving web app we use to submit requests. If I want to add them to a GPO or any group membership, I have to scroll through a list. Can't search, can't type a couple characters to jump through the list. I have to sit there and scroll through hundreds and hundreds of groups to find the right one. I know what you're thinking: if it's a list, it's alphabetical; and if it's alphabetical, I should be able to zip through the list to at least find the general area of the group. But here's the kicker: it isn't alphabetical. It starts at numbers, runs through to Z, and then there's another block of groups beginning with digits, and so on. No reason for this split, so it's anyone's guess where the GPO you're looking for is actually located. Thank God this only happens 4 or 5 times a week.

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