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The Vista Sidebar. Why the gently caress can't I make you always on top but still have you be that nice semi-transparent pane of glass instead of that ugly black monolith? I have a widescreen monitor and it'd be nice to have that bar full of links and widgets and have my windows just max to your edge. Why do you hate me so?
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| # ? Apr 28, 2008 21:50 |
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Pvt. Public posted:The Vista Sidebar. Why the gently caress can't I make you always on top but still have you be that nice semi-transparent pane of glass instead of that ugly black monolith? I have a widescreen monitor and it'd be nice to have that bar full of links and widgets and have my windows just max to your edge. Why do you hate me so? Or... "Why the gently caress would this thing take up 70 MB of memory?"
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| # ? Apr 28, 2008 21:55 |
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Zorilla posted:Or... "Why the gently caress would this thing take up 70 MB of memory?" True, except that I have 4GB in my system, and the fact that Firefox/IE/Everything written these days takes up a ton too. So it ranks considerably lower for me. I like pretty.
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| # ? Apr 28, 2008 22:07 |
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Sharrow posted:I don't know how the various Linux WMs handle it, but if an application wants your attention for something on Windows, it'll flash the taskbar entry. On OS X, the Dock icon will bounce. Then they'll wait for you to activate them. Oh yea, that stuff. Hasn't happened since I ticked it. Everything just finds a place in the Task List and waits for me to click on it now, very much like your IM scenario - it just goes to the task list and waits for me.
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| # ? Apr 28, 2008 22:13 |
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Pvt. Public posted:True, except that I have 4GB in my system, and the fact that Firefox/IE/Everything written these days takes up a ton too. So it ranks considerably lower for me. I like pretty. Hmmm.... *holds up hands* a full-featured web browser...or a thing that displays the time. I know most machines can afford the RAM footprint, but it's just not responsible application development for such a minor application to use so much. Samurize takes up less than 6 MB for me and it has the potential to look even better. Plus, most people totally overlook the cost to system startup time, seeing as disk performance has progressed much more slowly than RAM capacity.
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| # ? Apr 28, 2008 22:31 |
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potato of destiny posted:Best part: iTunes will helpfully exploit a Java bug that allows it to install itself on a workstation build that we specifically designed not to allow any software installations! Thanks, apple! Ahh, so that's how the loving thing keeps finding it's way onto the office PCs. Any suggestions for blocking it permanantly? And since this thread is now talking about stupid UIs, here's my current big annoyance. I use XMouse on Windows, for those who haven't used it, it enables the unix-like feature where the window under the mouse pointer is always the one with focus. This allows you to do cool stuff like have fullscreen Excel, and a small floating notepad window in front of it, and just by moving the mouse around you can type into Excel without actually hiding the Notepad window. But, if the application is Visio 2000, or a couple of others, simply moving the mouse over it's window will automatically bring it to the foreground. This is particularly annoying when you didn't even want to work with Visio, and now it's in the way. I wish someone would fix this. Oh. Lotus Notes does it too, so there's proof that this is a poor UI design decision. And just to be even more confusing the MS Terminal Services client never gets focus when you hover the mouse over it, you have to explicitly click on it. While I'm on Terminal Services Client. version 6. Why do you insist on making me enter a username and password when the remote server is going to ignore them anyway and prompt me for them again. When I'm impatiently trying to reconnect repeatedly during a server reboot this gets really loving aggrivating. I curse the day I inevitably forget to untick version 6 on WindowsUpdate and have to put up with this crap from there on in. Lum fucked around with this message at Apr 28, 2008 around 22:43 |
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That Xmouse program sounds awesome and really useful. The widescreen monitor thing kinda pisses me off, but its because trying to browse Wikipedia and write a paper doesn't quite have the horizontal space on a 1440px wide monitor. I can't wait to get a 24" LCD and put my 20" LCD into 1050x1680 mode.
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| # ? Apr 28, 2008 22:50 |
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KennyG posted:short cited Dirk Muscleton posted:Worse: Eventually I started bringing a bottle cap to cover that button. Sock on a Fish posted:Every Office app loves to ask me if I'd like to save changes before closing when I haven't edited a single goddamn thing. Pvt. Public posted:The Vista Sidebar. Why the gently caress can't I make you always on top but still have you be that nice semi-transparent pane of glass instead of that ugly black monolith? I have a widescreen monitor and it'd be nice to have that bar full of links and widgets and have my windows just max to your edge. Why do you hate me so?
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taiyoko posted:Where can I get this wonderful Norton-hunting gun? I need one to purge my parents' computer of the evil. http://service1.symantec.com/Suppor...005033108162039 That page there has links to the different removal tools for different versions of Norton. What I find absolutely revolting/terrifying/amusing about all this is that I now notice the .nsf filename in the URL, as well as the goddamn orange logo. Norton's website is run from a loving Lotus database. This explains EVERYTHING.
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People emailing multiple raw screengrabs (Windows). Yay, 12MB in a single email, thanks! I send screen caps all the time, compressed down to GIF, and they're much smaller.
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Chris Knight posted:People emailing multiple raw screengrabs (Windows). Yay, 12MB in a single email, thanks! I send screen caps all the time, compressed down to GIF, and they're much smaller. People who use the wrong file formats, i.e. GIF instead of PNG for a screen shot. I deal with this daily in my company - a partner loves GIF for webpage graphics and apparantly is blind to how horrible it looks.
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Lum posted:While I'm on Terminal Services Client. version 6. Why do you insist on making me enter a username and password when the remote server is going to ignore them anyway and prompt me for them again. When I'm impatiently trying to reconnect repeatedly during a server reboot this gets really loving aggrivating. I curse the day I inevitably forget to untick version 6 on WindowsUpdate and have to put up with this crap from there on in. They changed it for security reasons. There were some viruses exploiting it or something. Sniep posted:People who use the wrong file formats, i.e. GIF instead of PNG for a screen shot. I deal with this daily in my company - a partner loves GIF for webpage graphics and apparantly is blind to how horrible it looks. Or worse, a JPG for a screenshot that involves a lot of the color red. JPG artifacts are to me as Papyrus is to Creative Commons.
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Chris Knight posted:People emailing multiple raw screengrabs (Windows). Yay, 12MB in a single email, thanks! I send screen caps all the time, compressed down to GIF, and they're much smaller. My dad was showing me pictures from his most recent vacation. They were in a Word document. 
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On the subject of the "New Folder" button in the Save As dialog... ...why does it create a new folder in the actual file list? If I accidentally click on the New Folder button (and I do, quite frequently, because I'm Johnny Spackhands) then I have to press Escape, then Delete, then wait the second or two for Windows to figure out what I want to do, and then click OK/press Return to confirm it. Why can't it just pop up a dialog box when I click "New Folder" that asks me for the name of the folder, and gives me "OK" and "Cancel" buttons? Gnnngh.
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HPL posted:My dad was showing me pictures from his most recent vacation. They were in a Word document.
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| # ? Apr 29, 2008 00:09 |
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Lum posted:Ahh, so that's how the loving thing keeps finding it's way onto the office PCs. Well, apparently the bug is in java 1.5.something, which we currently use in our environment (see this and this). We could upgrade to java 1.6, but of course we don't yet know how much of our poo poo that will break. The other option I found was to set the group policy "Local Computer Policy>Administrative Templates>Windows Installer>Disable Windows Installer" to "For Non-managed apps only", which we could probably get away with since all our apps are managed through group policy, but again, we're not sure how much of our poo poo that will break. It's kind of maddening, because iTunes is completely useless on this particular PC build. We block streaming audio, we don't allow local storage of files, and if you plugged in your iPod, you wouldn't have the rights to install the drivers for it anyway. So it's a useless hunk of junk that just sits there taking up system resources, along with quicktime, apple updater, the iPod service, and bon-loving-jour.
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duz posted:They changed it for security reasons. There were some viruses exploiting it or something. I dont get it. How does prompting me for a username and password, then doing gently caress all with them, then having the terminal server send me the old--style username and password prompt which I have to fill in just as before improve security? these days when terminal services client prompts me for the username and password I just put in any old crap to make it go away. Well, to be fair, the new-style prompt seems to work when connecting to XP desktops, but not the Windows 2000 servers we have in work.
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duz posted:They changed it for security reasons. There were some viruses exploiting it or something. I dont get it. How does prompting me for a username and password, then doing gently caress all with them, then having the terminal server send me the old--style username and password prompt which I have to fill in just as before improve security? these days when terminal services client prompts me for the username and password I just put in any old crap to make it go away. Well, to be fair, the new-style prompt seems to work when connecting to XP desktops, but not the Windows 2000 servers we have in work.
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Sniep posted:People who use the wrong file formats, i.e. GIF instead of PNG for a screen shot. I deal with this daily in my company - a partner loves GIF for webpage graphics and apparantly is blind to how horrible it looks. GIF works for what I need, and general Office-using people don't know what a PNG is.
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Ryouga Inverse posted:Because the Save As dialog is not the file manager. If you want to manage files, open the Finder. Creating a folder is a common enough task when saving a file that special consideration is given to it. "You can do it in Windows" is an absolutely asinine argument. There are lots of things that are done in Windows - focus-stealing comes to mind - that I absolutely do not want in OSX. Focus stealing has nothing to do with this. Having to open finder and dig through the drive just to modify something simple.. like deleting old versions of files, removing a misnamed folder, or other common tasks.. is darn annoying.
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Windows' lovely ZIP file integration posted:You've searched for "gra". Rather than list all of the zip files whose names include those three letters, I'm going to go looking through every individual zip file in this directory - all seven thousand of them - for a file that might match your criteria. Pardon me while I slow down for a few decades. Also, focus-stealing. If touchpad software can tell when I'm typing, surely Windows can. When you're pounding away at a hundred and schnell a minute, any dialogue box should pop up in the background so as not to get blown away when the poor productive user pushes spacebar next. If another program wants your attention, it should flash a notification on the taskbar and stay hosed off until you ask for it. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at Apr 29, 2008 around 04:08 |
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It appears that we've found some common ground here. Now someone needs to start a "gently caress you, focus-stealer!" thread.
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Sharrow posted:I don't know how the various Linux WMs handle it, but if an application wants your attention for something on Windows, it'll flash the taskbar entry. On OS X, the Dock icon will bounce. Then they'll wait for you to activate them. Oh, it gets even better when an application is on a different space and demands your attention. You'll be typing along, and all of the sudden your WHOLE loving SCREEN IS PANNING LEFT. gently caress that pisses me off.
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potato of destiny posted:Well, apparently the bug is in java 1.5.something, which we currently use in our environment (see this and this). We could upgrade to java 1.6, but of course we don't yet know how much of our poo poo that will break. You're saying iTunes exploits a privilege escalation vulnerability to install itself? What?
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Cool Matty posted:Oh, it gets even better when an application is on a different space and demands your attention. This is the only issue I have with Spaces. Mail.app is on my third space, I mainly work on the first one. I have a bad habit of ending all programs prior to closing the Macbook's lid, and when I open it up again I start a bunch at once. This usually means that while I'm waiting for my webbrowser and other stuff on Space 1 to start, Mail will shove me over to Space 3. I press the key combo to go back to 1, and a few seconds later Mail starts to miss me and shoves me over AGAIN. I've had it do this a few times in a row as well, just demanding my attention because all the spam I get must be important somehow.
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Sharrow posted:You're saying iTunes exploits a privilege escalation vulnerability to install itself? What? I really can't find anything to support this after looking around for a while. That's the kinda thing that the anti-apple brigade would be shouting from the rooftops. Unless I'm just missing things, it's not there.
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Ryouga Inverse posted:Because the Save As dialog is not the file manager. If you want to manage files, open the Finder. Creating a folder is a common enough task when saving a file that special consideration is given to it. So because the other tasks are less common, the user should be inconvenienced? It's not as if those tasks are uncommon. That's a pretty lame excuse to not allow them.
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For windows update: My company sold around 50 PCs to different clients for about a year, all basically the same PC. An ASUS MB, with a Pentium dual core. I forget the exact specs, but it wasn't a brand name PC, although we buy brand name components and build them ourselves. For some reason, one day, windows auto update downloaded an update that crashed every single one. I think it was a hardware driver that wasn't actually the right one. But all I know is that for a month I went all over the city system restoring a whole bunch of PCs.
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albedoa posted:So because the other tasks are less common, the user should be inconvenienced? It's not as if those tasks are uncommon. That's a pretty lame excuse to not allow them. It happens on Windows so it's normal, just like hot web-browsing-from-the-file-manager action
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Chris Knight posted:GIF works for what I need, and general Office-using people don't know what a PNG is. That doesn't matter. Practically every PC that has a program associated with GIF, will have that same program also associated with PNG. And if they don't know the difference between GIF and PNG, chances are that they won't have extensions enabled anyway, so they won't even see the difference - except perhaps for the file icon having a different color. But they won't pay attention to that: double click will open it and all will be well. Just start using PNG, it will pretty much work 100% and it will look better.
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Melting Eggs posted:Some dipshit in my electronics class will disable automatic updates on EVERY computer he touches. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2284304,00.asp I like to choose the updates I want. But when you're talking about more than 5 computers, Automatic is the only thing you can do. Ema Nymton fucked around with this message at Apr 29, 2008 around 13:55 |
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hyperborean posted:You're right. You want to be able to delete and move files in the save as dialog, makes sense. I want to burn CDs and map network shares from there, can we get that in there too? When you are saving files, you generally manage them as well. I don't understand these analogies you guys are coming up with. No interface should allow you to create a folder but not manipulate it afterwards. As it has already been stated, that just forces you to open up the file manager after you've already begun managing files. If enough people were burning CDs from the "Save As..." dialogue, there would probably be a reason for it just like there's a reason why people want to rename or delete a folder they just created using that same dialogue. Thing is, you're the only person I've ever heard say he wants to be able to burn CDs with it, so I doubt there's a good reason. albedoa fucked around with this message at Apr 29, 2008 around 14:09 |
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albedoa posted:there's a reason why people want to rename or delete a folder they just created using that same dialogue.  v
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You made a typo in the folder name, changed your mind about creating a new folder or accidentally clicked on "new folder" in the first place. You want to move some files (like say, older versions of the file you're about to save) in the folder you just created. You just spotted a file you want to delete. There are many small, convenience related reasons. I mean it's fine if you wouldn't use it, nobody would force you to, but I would and many other people would. It's mind boggling it's not implemented yet given how trivial it would be.
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Dear people who post stuff on USENET, Please stop with the stupid filenames. unrar does not like spaces/brackets/weird symbols and having to batch-rename all this poo poo every time to remove all this crap is a pain in the arse. Thank you. tlc fucked around with this message at Apr 29, 2008 around 16:12 |
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Smoke posted:This is the only issue I have with Spaces. Mail.app is on my third space, I mainly work on the first one. I have a bad habit of ending all programs prior to closing the Macbook's lid, and when I open it up again I start a bunch at once. This usually means that while I'm waiting for my webbrowser and other stuff on Space 1 to start, Mail will shove me over to Space 3. I press the key combo to go back to 1, and a few seconds later Mail starts to miss me and shoves me over AGAIN. I've had it do this a few times in a row as well, just demanding my attention because all the spam I get must be important somehow. Why do you quit all programs before closing the lid?
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timb posted:Why do you quit all programs before closing the lid? Just a habit that's somewhat leftover from being a PC user who shuts down the system for a long time. Makes the system feel nice and "clean" when I open it up again.
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flakeloaf posted:Also, focus-stealing. If touchpad software can tell when I'm typing, surely Windows can. When you're pounding away at a hundred and schnell a minute, any dialogue box should pop up in the background so as not to get blown away when the poor productive user pushes spacebar next. If another program wants your attention, it should flash a notification on the taskbar and stay hosed off until you ask for it.
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Suspicious posted:You made a typo in the folder name, changed your mind about creating a new folder or accidentally clicked on "new folder" in the first place. You want to move some files (like say, older versions of the file you're about to save) in the folder you just created. You just spotted a file you want to delete. There are many small, convenience related reasons. Yes, exactly. Not only that, but by allowing the creation of folders and nothing more, the dialogue acts like a file manager up to a point and then stops! A more fitting analogy than the ones hyperborean presented would be if the "Save as..." dialogue pretended to be a CD burner up until the point when you wanted to actually burn the CD so you'd end up having to open your burning program instead. That's stupid. hyperborean posted:I guess I just don't understand that reason v It's so they don't have to open the file manager to do something that the dialogue should be capable of, is all.
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tlc posted:Dear people who post stuff on USENET, You just have a crappy unrar program or crappy file system. I've had all sorts of crazy filenames extract just fine.
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