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Jul 15, 2005



gently caress

nail fucked around with this message at Jun 7, 2012 around 14:41

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Jul 15, 2005



DaveNull posted:

Are you a robot or something? I'm not, and there's really nothing rectangular about my field of vision. It's not even squarish or oblong.
Well then what the hell is it, triangular?

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Jul 15, 2005



Yeah, and most new TVs don't even use CRTs at all now.

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Jul 15, 2005



The Remote Viewer posted:

It's easier to get distracted with windows that aren't maximized.
Can you go into more detail on this, maybe give examples? I see it all the time in defense of maximizing everything and I really can't understand. Does everybody who does this have ADD or something?

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Jul 15, 2005



The Remote Viewer posted:

Why do you NOT maximize?
As I sort of explained earlier, readability is increased if I don't.

Accessing files is easier when they are not spread across a huge area.

"multitasking" - If something else requires my attention, it's simpler to shift my eyebones than to alt-tab or move the mouse. I also find it easier to change focus by clicking on the window instead of the taskbar button.

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Jul 15, 2005



poop

nail fucked around with this message at Jun 7, 2012 around 14:42

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Jul 15, 2005



Zorilla posted:

I think the gripe stems from laptop manufacturers whose widescreen implementations effectively chop off the top of the screen instead of widening it
Oh definitely. It's improper, and terrible. Whenever I have to use somebody's MacBook I get irritated over how little space there is.

HPL posted:

Also, for a gripe thread, I'm sure learning a heck of a lot.
Me too, I guess. I'll have to get colored pencils or crayons next time I see them in the store to test this. If I'm looking ahead and concentrate on my peripheral vision, I can definitely see the colors of the red curtain and the brown cabinet off to the right. If that's memory, ok Also looking ahead, it really seems like I can see the same amount of lower stuff as higher stuff.

FOV is still more rectangular than square or circular.

I just tested with a tape measure. Holding it so the tape touches my nose, I can perceive my hands at the edges about 17" apart horizontally, and 13" apart vertically. And vertically, yes, my lower hand was further from my eyes than my higher hand. I tried it diagonally at an angle of about 35 degrees horizontally, and came out with about 16". God this is dorky. I don't know how to plot this in software to define the actual shape, so I stopped there. No, it's not a perfect rectangle, but it's much closer to that than any other shape without curves.

[edited because I realized if I'm not seeing both hands at the same time, it doesn't count, duh.]

nail fucked around with this message at Apr 26, 2008 around 22:24

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Jul 15, 2005



The Remote Viewer posted:

Counter jockey: You won't be able to remove all the spyware and stuff yourself.
0_o Do they actually use the word "spyware" and have you ever asked why they are selling computers with spyware?

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Jul 15, 2005



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Jul 15, 2005



I actually like Notepad the way it is. It is what it says. It's a loving piece of scrap paper and that's it.

DevastatorIIC posted:

Dell desktops that have no PS2 ports. Guess what always works, really works well, and doesn't require drivers: PS2 ports.
A-loving-men.

thebruce posted:

There's ample space:

OK, good for you? 800px is not tall enough for me.

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Jul 15, 2005



Trackballs are

Anyway, I just had a window steal focus by closing. I was downloading something, and when it finished, the text field I was typing in disappeared. wth?

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Jul 15, 2005



You Am I posted:

Most Mac "Save As" windows have "Add New Folder" or the gear icon which allows you to create a new folder from its drop down menu.
That's what he said.

Sweevo posted:

But it's also the default reader for text files, and when it can't handle them because of stupidly minor differences in encoding that would take 5 minutes to fix then it means the program is not doing it's job. It's not like LF-only format is rare.
What's LF-only?

It's true it's not doing its job, but I've never encountered a plain text file that was too big for Notepad to open. Except for ASCII garbage files I made myself. (I don't program, unless you count writing the most basic batch files)

If it's the default program...well let's just say most of the little programs included with Windows don't really live up to expectations.

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Jul 15, 2005



albedoa posted:

So because the other tasks are less common, the user should be inconvenienced? It's not as if those tasks are uncommon. That's a pretty lame excuse to not allow them.
You're right. You want to be able to delete and move files in the save as dialog, makes sense. I want to burn CDs and map network shares from there, can we get that in there too?

It happens on Windows so it's normal, just like hot web-browsing-from-the-file-manager action

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Jul 15, 2005



albedoa posted:

there's a reason why people want to rename or delete a folder they just created using that same dialogue.
I guess I just don't understand that reason vv

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Jul 15, 2005



I get to use Citrix every day and it's wonky as hell. I remember locally saving files from a web page was "fun" to figure out. It doesn't seem to be able to differentiate between C$ and C:

And yes good god is it slow, but I always assumed that was partially because of the hardware on the other end.

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Jul 15, 2005



albedoa posted:

I can't believe you invoked the CD burning analogy again. The "Save As..." dialogue does not for one moment pretend to be a CD burner.
I can't believe you ever thought that was serious instead of a completely facetious example of another "unnecessary" feature in a dialog, or that Casao and I are the same person.

But anyway, from within the "save as" dialog you can right click and "send to CD." from there it is an equal leap to adding "Write these files to CD" in somewhere as it is to delete, rename, etc. You can already burn a CD completely from the file manager without ever opening a dedicated CD burning program. If Save As is a file manager then let's manage some poo poo, huh? hahaha

Now if everybody doesn't mind, we could get off of this topic. Some people want it, and some people don't see the need. Understood all around, OK? (dorkanoid, I'm not a Mac person, so I don't know what to tell you about your observation.) Otherwise we'll have strwrsxprt in here telling us about poo poo that he comes across daily that pisses him off, like stupid retarded arguments that go back and forth unproductively and incessantly

nail fucked around with this message at Apr 30, 2008 around 15:59

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Jul 15, 2005



liquidXenon posted:

Also, the CD example is retarded
It was SUPPOSED TO BE

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Jul 15, 2005



albedoa posted:

What the gently caress? You're the one who originally used it for your slippery slope argument! Obviously, people are going to give you poo poo for it. You can't retroactively go back and say, "Haha it was supposed to be stupid. Look at you with the egg on your face."

It doesn't work that way.
What the gently caress my point was that changing file names, deleting poo poo, and poo poo like that from the save as dialog is just as loving retarded as burning CDs from it. Nothing loving "retroactive" about this. Get it?

Lum posted:

when I retire some time in the middle of the next century
Are you immortal or something


\/ ah. Now I understand. You are correct, I have no pension. I make up for it by telling people who are overjoyed every Friday morning, just because "it's Friday!" "Yes, we are one week closer to dying, congratulations"

nail fucked around with this message at May 1, 2008 around 15:45

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Jul 15, 2005



albedoa posted:

And your lame comparison is what everyone is criticizing. We've gone over it and told you why repeatedly.

You: Wanting to rename a file in the save as dialogue is as retarded as wanting to burn a CD in it.
Everyone: That's a stupid comparison. Here's why...
You: It was supposed to be stupid!

What? You make no sense.
I'm going to try to explain this again:

I didn't mean that the comparison was stupid, I meant that the example itself was stupid, on purpose, to illustrate that I think the thing you want is stupid, or rather that it's stupid to be bothered if it's not there. But you know what, it's in Windows already, it's not in OS X and never will be, and we've spent way too much time talking about it. Drama drama drama, fun.




albedoa posted:

And your lame comparison is what everyone is criticizing for being retarded. We've gone over it and told you why repeatedly. Get over it.
I've been over it.

quote:

Now if everybody doesn't mind, we could get off of this topic. Some people want it, and some people don't see the need. Understood all around, OK?

I started to reply to what you originally wrote, then decided against it, then went back and saw you had changed your post... and now I am through with this conversation, because it's a massive pointless derail that's gone on way too long and I have already given up, saying fine whatever, have your thing.

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Jul 15, 2005



Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Honestly your argument sounds less like it's based on "most efficient interface" and more on "most ideologically pure interface". Is this accurate?
Hm...yes, I suppose you could say this.

I haven't been thinking about this consciously, but now that you mention it, I do appreciate ideological purity in GUIs. See the "Description" section of the Wikipedia article on Worse is Better -- I have always been enchanted with this philosophy. As I understand it few people share this sentiment, but it is the only set of guidelines that makes sense to me. Note that practically, it can certainly be harder to fully adhere, but it is what I would strive for.

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Jul 15, 2005



I'm really tired of this guy:

What do I want Windows to do? How about shut the gently caress up and let me get to it all by myself?

I remember with a particular hard drive I had, there was a checkbox that said "Always perform the selected action." Yet no matter how many times I checked it and selected "Take no action," there it was again every time I connected the drive.

Also why is this non-resizeable dialog the wrong size, requiring the presence of a scrollbar with about a quarter-inch to move?

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Jul 15, 2005



Along with Flash and Java, mouseover menus in webpages. God is that poo poo annoying when it makes up the entire left quarter of the page.

And also those...those links that they make out of generic words and are green with two underlines that pop up a small window on mouseover. What are those called again?

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Jul 15, 2005



Knobjockey posted:

I must stop anthropomorphising my computer.
http://catb.org/jargon/html/anthropomorphization.html

quote:

Because hackers accept that a human machine can have intentions, it is therefore easy for them to ascribe consciousness and intention to other complex patterned systems such as computers. If consciousness is mechanical, it is neither more or less absurd to say that “The program wants to go into an infinite loop” than it is to say that “I want to go eat some chocolate” — and even defensible to say that “The stone, once dropped, wants to move towards the center of the earth”.

...It has also been suggested that anthropomorphizing complex systems is actually an expression of humility, a way of acknowleging that simple rules we do understand (or that we invented) can lead to emergent behavioral complexities that we don't completely understand.

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Jul 15, 2005



Mr_Person posted:

You can turn this bullshit off with a setting buried in the group policy editor.
Not at work I can't

It doesn't do it at home with my flash drive, can't remember if it does for the external hard drive.


\/ I will check this out later when I have this stuff on me, thanks for the advice.

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Jul 15, 2005



I thought tab was sometimes discouraged for programming because it might be equivalent to 2, 4, 5, or 10 spaces, but 5 spaces is always 5 spaces.

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Jul 15, 2005



vanjalolz posted:

I pity the person coding trying to indent by pressing space (I've seen it before :|).
I get frustrated as it is having to press tab 4 times a line for some levels, but 4x5=20 spaces just to begin typing? Insanity!
IANAP but as we can see here, there are people with preferences for both.

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Jul 15, 2005



kotau posted:

NVIDIA control panel and its lack of a 'you've changed your resolution, click yes in 15s to keep this resolution or it will revert'
NVIDIA control panel period! I turn that piece of poo poo off. Windows' Display control panel works a hell of a lot better. NVIDIA's blinks the screen and makes motion all choppy for a few seconds every time I click on it. Maybe it's just on this computer, but I definitely have the latest version. As with printers, just give me the driver and leave your stupid software out of it.

ATi's software doesn't do this to me, but its stupid Catalyst poo poo makes my context menu too big

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Jul 15, 2005



Factor Mystic posted:

Just search for it. And if it bugs you that much switch to classic view.

Arsten posted:

Actually, it's not that bad if you use the search features. If you go to the new control panel layout and start typing in what you want (like "Power") it'll isolate those.

It's very nice for someone like myself who goes through everything with the keyboard. Win->"Control Panel"<Enter>"Power options"<Tab><Tab><Tab><Enter>.
Keyboard navigation is great, but search is not a good substitute for a concrete location. I hate this new paradigm that everything can or should be launched or accessed from search (I blame Spotlight)

Thank god MS decides to keep classic view for everything, and maintain backwards compatibility to the point of crippling other things. It's 'almost' as if they're admitting the new way isn't very good.

On that note, their implementation of backwards compatibility is really lovely. "Classic environment" and Rosetta are things that Apple did get right. I'd like to see a new version of Windows in which everything really is new, and the OS only has a 64-bit version, and old apps, whether 16 or 32-bit, will automatically turn on an emulation layer to provide old libraries or system calls or whatever they need.

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Jul 15, 2005



Arsten posted:

...simply tap <WIN> and type in the program I want in the way I want to remember it. From here, the only way to go is voice recognition that doesn't blow.
yehh...I don't have Vista and don't particularly intend to. I have no compelling reason. I mean that sounds OK, but for launching I prefer my perfectly organized Start menu:

You may notice I also don't have wallpaper, I like things austere. Start is a total mess if you let go the way it does by default, of course. But the way I set it up, I can navigate with arrow keys or the mouse and very quickly find what I want. And I really like the way it looks.

My issue with search is that it's, as you said, for dummies. Not knowing how to find things shouldn't be enabled even further. People should learn how to use the tools at their disposal, learn to remember where they saved that file, to not clutter up the desktop/dock with innumerable icons which they then can't parse to see the thing they need. I was saying at work the other day, if people used cars the way they use computers you couldn't walk down the street anywhere :iica:

Maybe I'm just a codger. Anyway for an intelligent user the search paradigm is fine (and I don't think search is an accurate term for the way you open programs--it's more like a pretty or graphical, and modern, CLI), but for people who already "don't know how to use a computer," especially those who are willfully "computer illiterate," it doesn't help and I believe it does hurt. And while it doesn't really apply in this case, what do you do if you can't remember the name of the thing you want? Where this tangent began is with Control Panel and searching instead of the classic view. "Users" instead of "Documents and Settings" is great, but some of the cpanel stuff seems like change just for the sake of change.

I admit I haven't looked at it anything more than cursorily, but my question is still, if the new structure is actually good, why bother to leave classic view in?

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And 64bit Vista uses wowexec for 16bits and wow32 for 32 bit applications, automagically porting 16 and 32 bit calls to those APIs in as large a way as possible. This does it all in the background without hassle.
Now this is different from what I've read elsewhere, that's what I get for looking at other forums.

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Jul 15, 2005



Casao posted:

Why would it hurt? If the interface has search, how does using it hurt at all? Maybe on the theory that one day search would disappear and you'd be left in a barren desert world without it you could justify that statement, but I really don't see how you can say it hurts.
It doesn't BUILD CHARACTER No, you and Arsten are right. Discussions like this are why I love SHSC, thanks for explaining. But I've still looked at Launchy and didn't really like it, I imagine the Startsearch thing would be the same. Just set in my ways maybe.

c0burn posted:

What's the latest and greatest in dual pane file managers?

Edit: ugh, wrong thread.
Yeah, but I'll take this opportunity to pimp FreeCommander. I like it cause it's truly dualpane (unlike some which have a tree on one side and a regular browser on the other. But you can have a tree if you want in either pane or in a third pane). The split can be horizontal or vertical. Each pane has shortcuts to each drive, as well as buttons for level up and root. There's a wealth of buttons for various features, and options to show or not show any or all of them. You can even add your own buttons for certain tools! To keep in spirit with the thread, it eliminates some poo poo that pisses me off: when renaming a file, the extension is not selected by default.

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Jul 15, 2005



Ryouga Inverse posted:

Also, ten thousand kilobytes is 10M. This web page was far less than that. But I worked at MS, too, and guess what? There were some email threads that measured in multiple megabytes per message and had many people in the audience. What a great plan, I'm sure the Exchange server loves having multiple copies of a 2M message hanging around, and loves shipping replies to that 2M message around.
Oh god oh god oh god
When somebody sends an email to everybody in the office of FUNNY PICTURES LOL and a discussion starts. Everybody hits reply all and doesn't delete the 4MB of pictures. I don't mind funny pictures occasionally, and we're a small office and everybody's friendly with each other and we like to laugh and whatever. But poo poo GUYS DELETE THE INLINE IMAGES WHEN YOU REPLY. Our mailboxes are only 40MB you know. And every reply takes 20 seconds to load.

Another thing, and I can't pin down what causes this, is when I open an email from Outlook's little popup notifier, and click the "delete" button at the top, sometimes the window closes but it doesn't get deleted.

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Jul 15, 2005



PowerLlama posted:

That's just it. Why that color? It doesn't go with anything.
It seems to go with your wallpaper pretty well
But seriously, is that not something that can be changed as it could in XP?

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Jul 15, 2005



Mr_Person posted:

I'm all for minimalism, but the Windows Classic theme wastes a lot of space and always looked terrible in my opinion. Have you seen these themes?

HmmXP - Like a non-poo poo version of Classic.
I've seen this before...the only place I see this wasting less space is on the Start button. The Start menu actually wastes quite a bit more than classic theme, if you consider that layout wasteful, which I do. Everything else is shaped exactly the same.

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Opus OS - It doesn't get much less obtrusive than this. Has a really nice taskbar and menu that goes at the top of the screen. Skip this one if you have an irrational hate for colored window borders.
Has a dock, right away it doesn't "waste" less space. The window borders look perfectly normal, and not colored? But I have an irrational hate for rounded corners, anyway. Start menu, see above.

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Jul 15, 2005



Casao posted:

Can you tell from my posts that I absolutely despise apps that use non-native widgets for no good reason?
Me too, anything like that gets removed immediately.

I hate when apps that don't let you highlight part of a word. It snaps to the full word. Microsoft seems to like this, it happens to me in IE and Word, maybe in Outlook but I can't remember. I understand why it's made that way, (I'm assuming) to be easier for people who don't have the fine motor control required to operate a mouse competently, and wouldn't want to highlight part of a word, but come on.

And loving god drat useless web search results that only show up because a site is big. Looking for x product, and get a page titled x product review, or buy x product, which only says "be the first to review x product!" Or "no information found for x product." No picture, information, price, or anything. Thanks assholes. This is on par with referral pages you get by making a typo.

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Jul 15, 2005



Cerv posted:

It's departmental policy that we have to always include the full history in every reply so that the entire conversation chain is always readable at once. Some people just shouldn't be allowed to make rules.
Actually I prefer it to be done that way, so I can only keep one out of ten email* in the chain, (which probably didn't need to go past three anyway) instead of keeping all ten stupid messages about something I didn't even care about in the first place.

quote:

We also keep getting reminders that the company's spending too much on email and we need to reduce our mailbox usage.
But THAT is funny.

Regarding copying in Excel: Why can't I cut if I'm pasting into another application? And if I cut, then delete before pasting, the clipboard is empty. I know the technical reason for the clipboard becoming empty, but this design makes no sense. Either delete it from the cell when I paste into another application, or remove it from the cell as soon as I cut it. If I wanted to copy and paste and leave the text in the original cell, I would loving copy.



*somebody was complaining about pluralizing this word...

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Jul 15, 2005



Xenomorph posted:

"Well, AT&T's technical support said it was the firewall, so just turn it off."
"Then AT&T's technical support should tell you how to turn it off"

Awesome Axe posted:

Can't an administrator change other accounts passwords anyway?
That was my first thought--someone so concerned with security should not be letting their people run the only administrator account, and if they are, it's simple enough to reset anyway.


By the way, earlier today I went to save a file, and double-clicked not-quite-fast-enough on the folder it should go in, and it wanted me to rename the folder. After this thread made me think about it, I've noticed this actually happens to me on an infrequent but regular basis.

Thanks for the help everybody, but this last bit is really not a problem, more to say that either way of doing things can be annoying!

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Jul 15, 2005



Factor Mystic posted:

Decrease your double click speed in mouse settings.
Like I said it's infrequent, it's not important; and decreasing the speed has a different affect I don't like. Just reminded me of the multipage fight earlier in the thread.

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Jul 15, 2005



Athas posted:

I don't get it. Is this clever slang or something? It just appears totally illiterate.
Well, for all intensive purposes, it is illiterate. Its not slang or on purpose, its just that people have no idea that its wrong. I dont understand how this happens. People just hear something and start using it, without understanding at all what it means. How this can happen with a phrase as simple as "should have" I can't fathom at all, but it's not like "phat" or "kewl"--it resides on and entirely different level of rediculouslness.

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Jul 15, 2005



Jetsetlemming posted:

I wasn't aware there were any security or permission controls missing from Home.
This page has a pretty comprehensive list of the differences about halfway down. It's not a big deal for most people using computers in a personal capacity, but then again, SHSC geeks aren't "most people."

On that note, different versions of the same release of Windows is really retarded. They went the wrong direction with this in Vista iyam.

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Jul 15, 2005



PC=Windows. As in, Mac vs PC.
"Are you using a Mac?"
"No, it's a PC."
PC stands for personal computer! A Mac is a PC. Any computer that's not a server, mainframe, or embedded device is a PC. (Don't nitpick if I missed a class of devices, you know what I mean)

My annoyance at this semantic quibble has caused me to cease using the term "PC" altogether. Not that I used it frequently before, but I go out of my way now to say or type "computer" instead. "Windows computer" or "Linux computer" if it's necessary to differentiate.

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