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Atticus_1354 posted:Found it guys. This is the worst. http://www.armslist.com/posts/11363...r-remington-870 Some rear end in a top hat is canvassing Armslist with stuff like that.
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Propagandalf posted:http://www.armslist.com/posts/11363...r-remington-870 quote:- Intimidating profile transforms the already fearsome shotgun into a never before encountered juggernaut 
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I once saw some show on the History Channel, Wild West Tech I think, about the shoot out at the OK Corral. There was a talking head segment where one of the experts was holding a shotgun and explains how a shotgun is much scarier than a rifle, because the barrel is so much larger, *points shotgun at camera to demonstrate*
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Internet Wizard posted:I once saw some show on the History Channel, Wild West Tech I think, about the shoot out at the OK Corral. There was a talking head segment where one of the experts was holding a shotgun and explains how a shotgun is much scarier than a rifle, because the barrel is so much larger, *points shotgun at camera to demonstrate* I'd imagine the camera men on gun-oriented TV shows are just used to being muzzle-swept and all sortsa other stupid poo poo going on.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:It isn't LARP if you aren't roleplaying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ04mfAY2BU Realtalk though anyone who gets legitimately offended at being compared to LARPers probably needs to get their head out of their rear end. Shooting each other with plastic pellets while using military tactics and jargon is literally live action military roleplay. So is Civil War reenactment. Taking anything too seriously is a shortcut to an aneurysm.
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Internet Wizard posted:one of the experts was holding a shotgun and explains how a shotgun is much scarier than a rifle, because the barrel is so much larger, *points shotgun at camera to demonstrate* I guess that the guy's delivery and/or tone was probably terrible but I think he's actually onto something. I think that to a non-gun person it's easy to assume a shotgun is so much more "powerful" since the cartridges and bore are so monstrous compared to your average rifle or pistol. Hell, even gun people whom you'd think should know better will do this: see Taurus Judge. Speaking of which, that 28 gauge revolver Taurus was showing off at SHOT also made its way onto some totally non-gun related news sites I read, followed by shocked  WHY WOULD ANYONE NEED etc etc
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WHY WOULD ANYONE NEED SOMETHING SO STUPID
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Not every dress up style adult game qualifies as LARP. The critical element if LARPing is the RP part. I don't think civil war reenactors really role play in the same way as D&D guys do.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Not every dress up style adult game qualifies as LARP. The critical element if LARPing is the RP part. I don't think civil war reenactors really role play in the same way as D&D guys do. I'm not sure about Civil War guys, but WWII reenactors (especially Axis folk) get really, really into the RP part. It's kind of creepy.
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infrared35 posted:I'm known as the gun guy at work. You're an armed federal agent... How come everyone you work with isn't a "gun guy"?
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It's surprising how many police officers I've spoken to that gave up their firearms on retirement and can't even remember the model of firearm. One guy basically knew how many "bullets it could hold" and that's it.
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A lot of cops use their pistol during qualifications and that's it.
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My dad was in federal LE for >20 years and he rarely if ever brought his handgun home. He wasn't the impetus for getting me interested in firearms. He'll go shooting with my brother and I when we visit, but that's more because he likes spending time with us, not because he particularly enjoys shooting.
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Domini Cane posted:You're an armed federal agent... How come everyone you work with isn't a "gun guy"? The person who first thinks of their weapon in times of unrest is the least suited to enforce order?
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cuntrageous posted:The person who first thinks of their weapon in times of unrest is the least suited to enforce order? Yeah as bad as cops generally are around firearms I think it would be worse if most cops were arfcommers.
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Domini Cane posted:You're an armed federal agent... How come everyone you work with isn't a "gun guy"? Heck, there are a handful of old-timers in my office who have openly stated that they wouldn't carry a gun if agency policy didn't require them to. That's obviously one end of the spectrum. In the middle are 90% of the officers for whom the gun is just another piece of gear they've got to lug around all day, and the odds of using it are pretty low so they don't think about it much.
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Most of the cops I've had time to work with around here are passionate about guns. Does this count as tactilol? I saw it at work the other day. Most of the Crime Scene Specialists I work with at the S.O. roll around in Expeditions. I've never seen them use the party wagon. 
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Domini Cane posted:Does this count as tactilol? Probably just for major scenes... SO's buy this kind of stuff on grants, and it's not uncommon for even small departments to have expensive specialty vehicles/equipment. We have panel vans, but have been begging for a smaller SUV for years. 90% of CSI stuff can been done with a camera bag and fingerprint kit. The vans are overkill.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Not every dress up style adult game qualifies as LARP. The critical element if LARPing is the RP part. I don't think civil war reenactors really role play in the same way as D&D guys do. Re-enactors are LARPers whether you like it or not. They dress up, take roles as ranks, and then enact battles with replica weapons and made up death. That is literally LARP.
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Hell, the large scale and elaborate nature of reenactments make them more LARPy, not less.
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I wanna see a bunch of fantasy LARPers invade a reenactment scene. "Bill, hey listen, this is Trevor. Listen--No, we're not in character right now, the guys decided to call a quick time-out about something. Had a quick question that I was hoping you could relay to Randy if he's there. Did the Germans have any wizards? There's like five wizards on the ridge and they're throwing magic at us. Should we act dead? Also I shot one and he said something about dragon armor..."
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Rough Lobster posted:I wanna see a bunch of fantasy LARPers invade a reenactment scene. Hahahahaha
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beanieson posted:Probably just for major scenes... SO's buy this kind of stuff on grants, and it's not uncommon for even small departments to have expensive specialty vehicles/equipment. We have panel vans, but have been begging for a smaller SUV for years. 90% of CSI stuff can been done with a camera bag and fingerprint kit. The vans are overkill. You do CSI stuff? How'd you get into that? Seems like an interesting thing to do. I have worked at a mortuary, does that qualify me some how (I don't puke).
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beanieson posted:Probably just for major scenes... SO's buy this kind of stuff on grants, and it's not uncommon for even small departments to have expensive specialty vehicles/equipment. We have panel vans, but have been begging for a smaller SUV for years. 90% of CSI stuff can been done with a camera bag and fingerprint kit. The vans are overkill. Understood. I didn't get take a picture of armored vehicle. I just think its funny that this probably gets used more for hostage situations than crime scene. The biggest case I'm working these days involved county land moving equipment and a CSS Ford F-250.
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CAT ON THE COUCH!! posted:You do CSI stuff? How'd you get into that? Seems like an interesting thing to do. I have worked at a mortuary, does that qualify me some how (I don't puke). I've been training in it since late last year.. started in corrections, then uniformed patrol, now this. It's interesting, and pretty rewarding. Occasionally you get to find something that closes a case that didn't have any hope of being closed before.. Domini Cane posted:Understood. I didn't get take a picture of armored vehicle. I just think its funny that this probably gets used more for hostage situations than crime scene. The biggest case I'm working these days involved county land moving equipment and a CSS Ford F-250. I'm guessing truck itself is probably just filled with comm equipment, a giant cooler, and a bathroom.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YveSHqhOkdo
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Faerunner posted:Not all LARP is fantasy, magic and monsters kind of stuff though. Don't forget the Society for Creative Anachronism. I once worked armed security for a formal dance they held in the hills above Oakland. >.< Seriously if they were not such giant nerds they wouldn't need armed guards .... Though I guess I count as LARPer because I spent some with with a ww2 group and had a blast. Almost got my rear end run over by a tank slipping down a hill and made some good friends and contacts in L.E.. But seriously though gently caress 50% of German reinactors and 99% of SS guys. LingcodKilla fucked around with this message at Mar 28, 2011 around 05:27 |
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Rough Lobster posted:I wanna see a bunch of fantasy LARPers invade a reenactment scene. Son of a.... there's now coke everywhere..... drat you and your humor.
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kersonan posted:Son of a.... there's now coke everywhere..... drat you and your humor. so close to an old school YOU OWE ME A NEW KEYBOARD GOON SIRE post 
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kersonan posted:Son of a.... there's now coke everywhere..... drat you and your humor. drat you and your....... elipsis........ ...........
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SCA are genuinely worse than fantasy larpers because they all pretend to be historical authorities. The men are all creepy patriarchal types that treat women the way rural police treat their jurisdiction. The women are all "quirky" or extremely bored.
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:SCA are genuinely worse than fantasy larpers because they all pretend to be historical authorities. The men are all creepy patriarchal types that treat women the way rural police treat their jurisdiction. The women are all "quirky" or extremely bored. Jesus loving christ the SCA. I double-hate them, because not only am I (kind of) a historian, but I also fence saber. Well, I used to. I haven't had time to get out regularly since I started grad school, and I don't think I've done a match at all in the last year and a half.  Regardless, people who fence hate the SCA because those douchenozzles act like they know loving ANYTHING about the fencing sports. They always act like they know the "real combat arts  " while what you're doing is "just a game" and then prove themselves utterly ignorant of any kind of technique, proper form or weapon handling, or basically anything else that's actually involved with the practice of putting a blade on a body. Imagine some really terrible airsofter giving a competition rifle shooter a lecture on "class III stances" and how you're REALLY supposed to hold a rifle like *this* and all sorts of other terrible bullshit when it's clear from the way they do what they do that they don't even know the rawest of fundamentals, like how to maintain a sight picture or shoulder different types of weapons.As for the history thing, every time one of them tries to tell me that we do the same thing I have to resist the urge to throat-gently caress him to death with his own fantasy sword. Acting like dressing up in Ren Faire poo poo and swinging blunt swords at each other is anything other than play-acting is just loving insulting. No, you're not engaging in "living history." There are actually historians who DO go to great lengths to try and figure out how the hell poo poo was physically done back in the day, but that always involves a LOT of REALLY deep and intense research, along with a LOT of cultural poo poo that you're not bothering with on your rush to mead, meat, and shelf-boob. More importantly, the historians who do what you're so pathetically trying to emulate are some of the most critical about that process when it comes to providing any actual insight into how things were done in Medieval, Roman, etc. times and the quickest to point out that it is only useful as a supporting methodology to help illustrate or clarify things drawn out in more traditional research. Me, however, I still reserve my deepest loathing for the WW2 and Civil War reenactors who try to tell me that what they do is somehow "living history" rather than just being a fun pastime. At least the SCA douches have a subject that's so far gone that getting into scholarly research in that field can be daunting even for people with good archival access and the linguistic tools to really dive into them. With the more modern poo poo? Not only are they behaving in entirely ahistorical ways and not demonstrating anything that there doesn't exist tons of documentary evidence for FROM THE TIME (like, oh, the poo poo tons of video of WW2 armies and arms in action - there's no loving giant historical mystery around how the K98k or Garand were used in combat), but they very consciously try to divorce the militaries and the weapons from their social and cultural contexts. YOU CAN NOT loving REENACT THE WEHRMACHT WITHOUT ADDRESSING POLITICS IN 1930s GERMANY, INCLUDING ANTI-SEMITISM AND THE loving HOLOCAUST. The two are so inexorably linked on any number of levels that if your'e ACTUALLY trying to get into the head of a hypothetical German soldier you HAVE to take that poo poo into account, otherwise you're just roll playing what you imagine the German military might have been like in WW2 if Nazis never existed. Civil War: same deal, different controversy. The war was about slavery, get the gently caress over it. Also, news flash: I know you care very deeply about this poo poo, but your little demonstration that a 21st century sperg lord can fire 10 aimed shots a minute with an enfield musket rather than the 8 shots/min cited by Dr. University Professor in Great Big Civil War History Book doesn't mean poo poo and no one cares. It doesn't change ANYTHING, doesn't imply ANYTHING, and is interesting as nothing more than a factoid. Nitpicking and playing gotcha games with real historians over trivia doesn't make you somehow engaged in the process, it just makes you a loving annoyance. I say this as someone who is both engaged in act of research and producing 'history' on a loving daily basis right now, and also as someone who is deeply interested in all sorts of pointless minutiae and factoids about WW2 era weapons. I know the twist rate for the rifling in a K98k is 1:9.5 and that it's a 4 grooved RH pattern, and while that may deeply interest me and I'll sperg the gently caress out on anyone who gets it wrong in a collector/gun nut context I also understand that this information is loving useless in the grand historical scheme of things and does nothing to further our understanding of either WW2, the German military, or even the German arms industry in WW2. It's exactly as impressive (and useless) as knowing when Ambrose Burnside's birthday is. tl;dr - SCA, reenactors - you're not historians. You're trying (and generally failing) to answer questions no one is asking precisely because they are on such niche topics that their answers are fundamentally meaningless. I don't mean that they are unimportant to anyone who doesn't study your subject, I mean that the answers themselves change NOTHING about how we understand the event, its causes, its consequences, or how it affected the people who experienced it. Believe it or not history is more than just knowing dates and poo poo.
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Let it all out, man - holding that stuff in'll give ya cancer 
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:The women are all fat or extremely fat. Fixed that for you.
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 I did not even know SCA existed until now 
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Cyrano4747 posted:Not all reenactors suck  Although I don't really consider SCA to reenact anything at all, since they've invented their own geography and kingdom structure. And also they have fairies.
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:All women are all fat or extremely fat. There we go.
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Heintron posted:
just history poo poo like loving 
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Colonial Air Force posted:Although I don't really consider SCA to reenact anything at all, since they've invented their own geography and kingdom structure. And also they have fairies. At first, I thought that said Klingon culture. 
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Everyone in the SCA is a lord or lady or baron or some other vice duchy of so-and-so. There's never any peasantry, or "my first ten children died of the plague before my wife passed last summer from shingles" or any of that. It's all very sanitized wishful thinking. More slow roasted mutton and less weevils in my hard bread. Eh, the small sample size of people I know of in the SCA gave me a really creepy feeling, very self-entitled. I think we can all agree that when people cease living in the "here and now" it gets very sad very quick.
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