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SinistralRifleman posted:My experience with SCA is limited to fatties and butter trolls at community college telling me how they could own me in combat because of their melee skillz, and "SWORDS DON'T RUN OUT OF AMMO". Neither do Loughner-style assault clips.
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I have an irrational hatred of people who actually think that "Ye Olde" was pronounced "yee oldy" which happens to be pretty much everybody in the world. Maybe I should loosen up on that little bitterness. 
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Steak Flavored Gum posted:I have an irrational hatred of people who actually think that "Ye Olde" was pronounced "yee oldy" which happens to be pretty much everybody in the world. I didn't realize people did that unironically. To be fair, in Middle (and probably Old, I don't know) English the e at the end of words like that wasn't silent, but it most certainly would not have sounded like "oldy," more like "ol-duh" from what I've read. What bothers me the most when people talk about "ye olde english" they usually mean Victorian era English, which is Modern English. Not even close to Middle, and far removed from actual Old.
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Well considering English comes from the same roots as Plattdeutsch, it'd make sense for the e to be more of an "uh" sound. Also, the "Y" in "Ye" is not a Y. It comes from the charater thorn, Þ, with a superscript e, pronounced "the". As in, the exact same way we pronounce "the". And yeah, people do it unironically because they think it sounds "quaint".
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Steak Flavored Gum posted:
While I didn't know about the "Ye" part, I've never heard anyone pronounce the "e" on the end of olde as a y.
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SinistralRifleman posted:My experience with SCA is limited to fatties and butter trolls at community college telling me how they could own me in combat because of their melee skillz, and "SWORDS DON'T RUN OUT OF AMMO". To be fair I've seen you shoot. Outlook not so good... just kidding you're awesome
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Flanker posted:To be fair I've seen you shoot. Outlook not so good... It doesn't really matter how good he shoots. Fatties are big targets. And they get winded quickly.
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Someone should host an SCA vs Airsoft battle. Or maybe that would be an Eric Flint 1632 LARP.
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SinistralRifleman posted:Someone should host an SCA vs Airsoft battle. Or maybe that would be an Eric Flint 1632 LARP. Replace all their guns/swords/wands with wolverines.
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SinistralRifleman posted:Someone should host an SCA vs Airsoft battle. Or maybe that would be an Eric Flint 1632 LARP. If you want to get both parties interested, use a late Renaissance date for the adventure, as in "SCA vs. Airsoft: The Battle of Sauchieburn, 1488". The year will draw the SCA freaks and the coded date will draw the freakish racists of the airsoft world and the battle will be ON!
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 Those grips would be awesome on a gun that didn't look like it came from a bunch of scrap parts.  Oh Lordy. Iron Squid fucked around with this message at Mar 29, 2011 around 00:24 |
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Iron Squid posted:
And just so you know its not some generic catchphrase, he's got the flight number right next to it. 
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i know this post is pages back butCyrano4747 posted:Imagine some really terrible airsofter giving a olympic-style target shooter a lecture on "class III stances" This is more accurate. Also, the Massacre of the Cats was the 18th century. In fact, from about the 15th century onward every cultural atrocity is something those people did in the middle ages. See witch hunts, culturally ingrained racism, absolutism, atrocious hygiene, etc. It is a historical dumping ground. What's more in the 18th and 19th centuries you get buckets of folk, especially Enlightenment thinkers, downright making stuff up in order to make their age seem fundamentally better and downplay their own failings. See: "The Norman yoke", Prima Noctis rights, half the things Gibbon wrote about the Eastern Roman Empire, and on and on.
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Young Freud posted:And just so you know its not some generic catchphrase, he's got the flight number right next to it. Exactly.
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I miss fencing foil. 
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Oh, Cyrano, I have a question for you about Civil war or WW2 re-enactors. You mentioned that you can't stand it when they ignore the racism/anti-semitism. How do you want them to acknowledge it? I mean, sure it would probably be historically accurate for soldiers on both sides of the Civil war to be racist, or for soldiers on both sides of World War two to make Jew jokes, but I'd be pretty uncomfortable doing that, and I'd be worried about anyone that seemed too comfortable with it.
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SinistralRifleman posted:Someone should host an SCA vs Airsoft battle. Or maybe that would be an Eric Flint 1632 LARP. I bought this book solely because of the cover. It delivered! 
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Anta posted:I bought this book solely because of the cover. It delivered! Is that anything like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guns_of_the_South ?
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22 Eargesplitten posted:Oh, Cyrano, I have a question for you about Civil war or WW2 re-enactors. You mentioned that you can't stand it when they ignore the racism/anti-semitism. How do you want them to acknowledge it? I mean, sure it would probably be historically accurate for soldiers on both sides of the Civil war to be racist, or for soldiers on both sides of World War two to make Jew jokes, but I'd be pretty uncomfortable doing that, and I'd be worried about anyone that seemed too comfortable with it.
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ZebraBlade posted:Is that anything like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guns_of_the_South ? Ha, another book bought because of the cover! Sort of, except the time travellers are the good guys, and the book is basically all about how great and awesome and Noble regular 20th/21st century people are compared to the people of the time. It's not Great Literature, but it sure is good entertainment. And it features Gustav Adolf wrecking poo poo on horseback.
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ZebraBlade posted:Is that anything like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guns_of_the_South ? Do not let Turtledove write anything combat related... Politics is fine. Combat is a NO GO at this station.
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:i know this post is pages back but True, but I was using Foucault's book more as an example of histoire des mentalités as a methodological approach than as a specific example of something going on in the middle ages. The fact that even the 18th century is nigh incomprehensible in a meaningful way to your average modern reader of old documents says a loving LOT about how much we understand the worldview of the middle ages. The only really good way I've ever come up with of bringing the idea across to non-historians is comparing how different national attitudes work. There's something about language that shapes the way people view and communicate their world around them. You can study french, German, Spanish, etc. culture and history all you want, but you won't really get parts of it until you become at least semi-fluent in the language, to the point where you can innately grasp the subtleties of certain expressions and ways of phrasing things differently. Looking at actions in cultures separated not only from our own by linguistic boundaries, but massive cultural, religious, and temporal ones as well, is this problem times a thousand. Seriously, anyone who thinks they "get" why someone in a previous era did something is almost certainly 100% full of poo poo unless they have a PhD in the subject, probably a couple major publications, and have spent decades researching just that. And even then they probably only REALLY get it if it's something relatively recent, like the 19th or 18th centuries. Early modern and earlier? gently caress me, even the esteemed experts in those fields admit that they really only have the vaguest outlines of what people's motivations and realities were back then, and even THEN it's usually only for a very narrow band of people, usually the highest of the elites or the clergy (basically the people literate enough to leave things for us to read, or important enough for the literate monks to write down what they did and how they did it.) Pitch posted:I don't think Cyrano's talking about them actively roleplaying rounding up Jews in Warsaw. More that they claim authenticity but do everything in their power to gloss over the distasteful parts of the war, either intentionally because they find it disturbing or because they genuinely believe in The Clean Wehrmacht/Our Southern Heritage. They should come to grips with the fact that if they do have the authentic mindset of a late 1930s German twenty-something reeling from economic depression and convinced that the NSDAP will defend his fatherland from the undesirables who sabotaged it, something's seriously hosed up. Just admit that you're play-acting a sanitized vision of the war that at best is somewhere in the Saving Private Ryan zone of historical accuracy. Basically this. I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but SO GODDAMNED MANY of those guys try to justify what they're doing by claiming it as part of some larger, usually educational, good. THey're "engaging in living history" or "teaching kids how it really was back then" or "keeping alive old skills and traditions." No, they're not. They're LARP'ing. They're acting out a fantasy of being a soldier in a conflict which they usually barely understand, and in a universe that doesn't have the political and cultural realities that made that conflict significant in the first place. How about a modern example: Imagine that you were setting up a group to reenact as modern day, fully contemporary members of the IDF and Hezbollah/the PLO. Only, because you don't want people getting butt-hurt over politics, you absolutely refuse to talk about the history of the state of Israel, the displacement of the Palestinians in the 40s, the long history of terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians by the PLO, or any of the other huge numbers of bad acts on both sides. Instead, you just run around playing ambush scenarios with one set of guys dressed in cammies with M16s and Tavors and the others wearing keffiyehs and street clothes while slinging AKs and RPGs. The act itself can be fun as hell, and in my description kind of sounds like a live-action version of Counter-Strike. However, if you lean back at the end of the day, take off your head wrap, eat dinner at the local Arby's, and try to tell people how you spent all day "living inside the skin" of a young Palestinian fighting for his country and how you really "get" the motivations of the PLO now, you're a loving moron. It's all about people refusing to acknowledge their hobby for what it really is and insisting it gives them some kind of position of authority or superior knowledge when, in reality, they're just as ignorant as the people they're trying to pass themselves off as experts to. What bits they DO know more about will be narrowly focused on their play-acting. Maybe the guy in the above example knows how to detail strip an AK, which is also something that PLO fighters know how to do. That doesn't mean he understands poo poo about why they're holding the gun in the first place. I fully understand that not all reenactors have this attitude, but I've met a lot who do. If you want to go march around and play like it's the civil war, loving go for it. Who am I to tell you what to do? Just understand it for what it is and don't try to sell it like you're doing anything else but playing army and having fun loving around in a field with friends. Sorry if i sound like a bitter old man about all of this, but that spectrum of the reenactor universe that insists the they're doing something important, educational, or worse that is actually historical research just really hits a raw nerve with me and it's something I run across at least a few times a year. I will freely admit it's because they're claiming to understand something because they go out and play soldier on the weekends and they're usually claiming an understanding of something that I've dedicated the better part of my adult life to trying to figure out, and believe me when I say that at this point I know enough to realize just how little I know for the most part. Because I seem to structure all my thoughts in terms of analogies, imagine the way that know-it-all script kiddies that act like they're god's great gift to IT/Computer science piss off people who have actual engineering degrees and have been working professionally in CompuSci/IT/EE for a while. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at Mar 29, 2011 around 10:41 |
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Cyrano4747 posted:Looking at actions in cultures separated not only from our own by linguistic boundaries, but massive cultural, religious, and temporal ones as well, is this problem times a thousand. It's amazing how many of those same LARP/SCA/Nazi reenactors are just loving "EXPERTS" on seventh century Arabia, too.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Sorry if i sound like a bitter old man about all of this Dude, you always sound like a bitter old man, and that is because you chose the life of an academic.
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Young Freud posted:I don't think Heidelberg-style academic fencing really would catch on over here. Mensur scars aren't as cool as they used to be. I would have loved to have had the opportunity to learn Mensur when I was younger. And chicks dig scars.  I miss epee fencing.....
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Personally I do not get the appeal of this static and over-regulated form of fencing. It is so...........German http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXdzLFllfRI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od8Ka7bdqvU This is how they LARP in Europe.
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Scratch Monkey posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od8Ka7bdqvU I give a poo poo of you is a gently caress This guy is awesome
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That's poo crap!
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This needs a repost from the video thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZyp...tailpage#t=147s
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Heintron posted:This needs a repost from the video thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZyp...tailpage#t=147s Is he your uncle?
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Heintron posted:This needs a repost from the video thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZyp...tailpage#t=147s I need to own the self defense slingshot.
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Heintron posted:This needs a repost from the video thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZyp...tailpage#t=147s That guy is completely awesome. I want some of his slingshots.
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Some? I want all of them.
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Not sure where this fits in;
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This is his best slingshot, by far. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSU1jQoGIqo It shoots machetes.
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EndofGoogle posted:Not sure where this fits in; That gun is so ridiculous I can't hate it.  
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EndofGoogle posted:Not sure where this fits in; I want to see an alternate universe nazi robocop use this. Robopolizei.
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"Ihren Umzug, schmutz"
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Give me Flibbity posted:"Ihren Umzug, schmutz" -stereotypical jew attacking pure white aryan super-child-
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