Cyrano4747 posted:

Inspector_71 posted:

Dude, the Northern Alliance took Mazar-i Sharif with a loving cavalry charge in 2001. As in, on horseback. Even the CIA SAD guys were like "Is this really loving happening?"

Detective Thompson posted:

Is this story online somewhere?

Freep posted:

Washington -- U.S. special forces working with the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan have ridden in cavalry charges against Taliban militia positions, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said.

``In Afghanistan, a country we think of in somewhat medieval terms, our special forces have taken a page from the past, from the history of the horse cavalry with our soldiers armed with swords and rifles, maneuvering on horseback,'' Wolfowitz said in a speech last night.

The Pentagon has said in general terms that U.S. special forces are working with Northern Alliance units to improve their military tactics, coordinate among their factions and direct strikes by U.S. aircraft against Taliban targets.

Wolfowitz read excerpts from declassified field reports that describe some of the experiences of those special forces in battle.

``I am advising a man on how best to employ light infantry and horse cavalry in the attack against Taliban T-55 (tanks), mortars, artillery, personnel carriers and machine guns -- a tactic which I think became outdated with the invention of the Gatling gun,'' wrote one commando in an October 25 report, Wolfowitz said. ``They have done this every day we have been on the ground.''

``I have observed a gunner who walked 10 plus miles to get to the fight, who was proud to show me his artificial right leg from the knee down,'' said the report.

The dispatch relayed how Northern Alliance horsemen ``bounded from spur to spur to attack Taliban strong points -- the last several kilometers under mortar, artillery fire. They have killed over 125 Taliban while losing only eight,'' the commando wrote.

``And with that,'' said Wolfowitz, ``one of our amazing special forces members went off on a cavalry charge with a Northern Alliance commander.''

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The thundering hooves of the first cavalry charge of the first and very asymmetric war of the twenty-first century rolled towards the Taliban lines south of the strategic city of Mazar-e-Sharif, writes John Sweeney in Khodja Bahudeen, northern Afghanistan.

Yelling blood-chilling cries, the Afghan horsemen of the Northern Alliance raced through a gully, raising a storm of dust, firing their Kalashnikovs towards the enemy. It looked like a cross between the Magnificent Seven, the Charge of the Light Brigade and Carry On Up the Khyber .

The horses swirled around in a Jacuzzi of dust while the commander screamed orders through a crackling walkie-talkie. Then the Northern Alliance troops of General Abdul Rashid Dostum dismounted and surged towards a hilltop village held by the Taliban.

One fighter, showing reckless bravado and zero common sense, stood etched against the skyline, blasting away with a machine-gun with tripod mount held at the level of his midriff.

Sporting a magnificent turban, he looked half-Terminator III, half Hilda Ogden from Coronation Street. Others took pot-shots with rocket propelled grenades, egged on by the commander.

Then the fighters were in the village, banging off shots around walls made of mud and straw, before capturing the main Taliban base on the hill.

They gathered round, silent in victory, showing off what they had captured: a 'Pika' heavy machine-gun, a mortar tube and an anti-aircraft piece, complete with gunner's seat.

To make sure that everyone knew that it was the cavalry which had won the day, someone had tethered his horse to the anti-aircraft gun.

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In the dead of night, horses poured from the hills. They came charging down from the craggy ridges in groups of 10, their riders dressed in flowing shalwar kameez and armed with AK-47s and grenade launchers. In the Kishindi Valley below, 35 miles south of the prized northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif, the few Taliban tanks in the area not destroyed by American bombs took aim at the Northern Alliance cavalry galloping toward them. But the 600 horsemen had been ordered to charge directly into the line of fire. "If you ride fast enough, you can get to them," an Alliance spokesman later explained. "You ride straight at them. The tank will only have time to get off one or two rounds before you get there." The rebels were told to leap on top of the tanks, pull the Taliban gunners out through the open hatches and kill them. The first land battle in the century's first war began with a showdown from a distant age: fearless men on horseback against modern artillery. America's money was on the ponies.

They won. According to accounts given to Time by Alliance officials, 3,500 rebels serving under Uzbek warlord Rashid Dostum, 47, pushed the Taliban out of Kishindi with a 16-hour assault that left 200 Taliban and an unknown number of Alliance troops dead. To the west, forces loyal to Ustad Atta Mohammed, another Alliance commander, lost 30 men in a barrage of Taliban tank fire but seized the outlying village of Aq Kuprik.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Google is fun.

Detective Thompson posted:

Is this story online somewhere?

Inspector_71 posted:

http://www.amazon.com/First-Insider...25918764&sr=8-1

Buy it, read it.

Inspector_71 posted:

http://www.amazon.com/First-Insider...25918764&sr=8-1

Buy it, read it.

Cyrano4747 posted:

Google is fun.

Free Republic story on it


Guardian.co.uk


Time Magazine

Plato posted:

What was the military rifle that didn't have Bayonet lugs on it? was it the M16 or M4 or am I just crazy? (Actually come to think of it it could have been the AUS Steyr.)

Gtab posted:

It's sure as gently caress not the M16 or M4 you backwater aussie weirdo.

Plato posted:

What was the military rifle that didn't have Bayonet lugs on it? was it the M16 or M4 or am I just crazy? (Actually come to think of it it could have been the AUS Steyr.)




I am reading a book at the moment called "Task Force Dagger" by the same guy who wrote "The Green Berets" during vietnam. It examines each of the A-Teams associated with each of the leaders of the northern alliance and is full of poo poo like that, like how they had green beret specialists in the "military use of pack animals" and stuff like that, and cavalry charges backed up by CAS, its awesome.

Crazy Dutchman posted:

There is actually a Mule Packing course at the Marine Corps Mountain Warfare Training Center in California.

Plato posted:

Mule or Mule?

Crazy Dutchman posted:

Mule, as in the four-legged animal mule. I just read an article in some magazine about it. They are using them in Afghanistan currently.

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http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/mari...marinehorse.htm
http://www.marine-corps-news.com/20...in_war_effo.htm

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Finally finished my build.

Hi Point 995 Carbine
ATI Strikeforce Stock
TruGlo Red Dot Sight
ATI Tactical Buttpad
Bushman Parts Charging Handle
Bushman Parts Trigger
ATI Accessory Rails
CAA Short Vertical Grip
Leapers Flashlight Mount
ATI MiniMag Adaptor
AA MiniMag Flashlight
Nite Ize 1w LED upgrade w/ tailcap switch
Brownells Alum-Hyde II Matte Black on receiver cover, charging handle and OEM rails

Now I got a taste for it, thinking of getting a beater SKS to bubba up.

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Nice pics! May they have a long and wonderful life. (since they're HPs, they will )

kuffs posted:

Seriously, that entire forum is full of bad decisions.

Hi Point Lover posted:

Hi Point 995 Carbine
ATI Strikeforce Stock
TruGlo Red Dot Sight
ATI Tactical Buttpad
Bushman Parts Charging Handle
Bushman Parts Trigger
ATI Accessory Rails
CAA Short Vertical Grip
Leapers Flashlight Mount
ATI MiniMag Adaptor
AA MiniMag Flashlight
Nite Ize 1w LED upgrade w/ tailcap switch
Brownells Alum-Hyde II Matte Black on receiver cover, charging handle and OEM rails

Pitch posted:

We are through the looking glass.

Gtab posted:

Yep. And both the US Army and some British dudes ended up doing a bayonet charge in Afghanistan.

Smiling Jack posted:

There was also an El Sal who ran out of ammo in an ambush and loving knifed a guy.

kuffs posted:

Plato posted:

Well you don't have to be mean about it, geez.

Ok so it was probably the F88.

WimpBastard posted:

The AUG has no bayonet lug, but the Austeyr F88 has one. The ADF said they wanted one so the Australian version of the AUG has one.

Just as well, because bayonet training is the only fun thing you ever do at Kapooka.

James Woods posted:

I can't sleep so I crunched the numbers on this.



ATI Strikeforce Stock $69.99
TruGlo Red Dot Sight $69.95
ATI Tactical Buttpad $13.99
Bushman Parts Charging Handle $18.00
Bushman Parts Trigger $17.00
ATI Accessory Rails $12.99
CAA Short Vertical Grip $19.95
Leapers Flashlight Mount $29.99
ATI MiniMag Adaptor $3.49
AA MiniMag Flashlight $12.35
Nite Ize 1w LED upgrade $20.00
Brownells Alum-Hyde II $11.95
TOTAL: $299.65

Hi Point 995 Carbine (MSRP) $220.00

TOTAL INVESTMENT: $519.65

Average price for a Beretta-CX is about $700 these days. Don't get me wrong, this man is a moron, but he saved a few bucks to get something that at least looked kinda like what he was going for.

James Woods posted:

I can't sleep so I crunched the numbers on this.

ATI Strikeforce Stock $69.99
TruGlo Red Dot Sight $69.95
ATI Tactical Buttpad $13.99
Bushman Parts Charging Handle $18.00
Bushman Parts Trigger $17.00
ATI Accessory Rails $12.99
CAA Short Vertical Grip $19.95
Leapers Flashlight Mount $29.99
ATI MiniMag Adaptor $3.49
AA MiniMag Flashlight $12.35
Nite Ize 1w LED upgrade $20.00
Brownells Alum-Hyde II $11.95
TOTAL: $299.65

Hi Point 995 Carbine (MSRP) $220.00

TOTAL INVESTMENT: $519.65

walrusman posted:

although their carbines are like pure liquid sex compared to their utterly godawful pistols.

James Woods posted:

I can't sleep so I crunched the numbers on this.



ATI Strikeforce Stock $69.99
TruGlo Red Dot Sight $69.95
ATI Tactical Buttpad $13.99
Bushman Parts Charging Handle $18.00
Bushman Parts Trigger $17.00
ATI Accessory Rails $12.99
CAA Short Vertical Grip $19.95
Leapers Flashlight Mount $29.99
ATI MiniMag Adaptor $3.49
AA MiniMag Flashlight $12.35
Nite Ize 1w LED upgrade $20.00
Brownells Alum-Hyde II $11.95
TOTAL: $299.65

Hi Point 995 Carbine (MSRP) $220.00

TOTAL INVESTMENT: $519.65

Average price for a Beretta-CX is about $700 these days. Don't get me wrong, this man is a moron, but he saved a few bucks to get something that at least looked kinda like what he was going for.

JEEVES420 posted:

So your saying that all of that stuff comes standard on a CX?

Ygolonac posted:

So, we should refer to the Hi-Point forums as "HurfCom", perhaps?

Plato posted:

OK, cool thanks for clearing that up, memory was a little hazy as last time I handled one was about 10 years ago. Going to kapooka (if I pass officer selection) in june this year, looking forward to it.

infrared35 posted:

It's nothing compared to everything else in this thread, but it's pretty tacticlol for a .22 pistol. Especially considering the suppressor isn't real.