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Bitch if I'm not on the clock that diaper is staying soiled
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Ozma posted:Bitch if I'm not on the clock that diaper is staying soiled No poo poo, it's insane. "My hours are 8 am to 5 pm, so you'd best get your crapping done before I clock out." I feel sorry for her. She deserves a better caretaker than a spoiled brat who bitches about the quality of his presents and makes out with his doll when his family is around. I notice that he didn't mention what Kat got for Christmas. I can tell you what she didn't get though: a change of clothes and a clean diaper. Also, seeya, Goonobyl, wouldn't want to be ya.
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 08:20 |
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Surfingelectrode posted:Oh, god this is too much. I never thought I would enjoy a giant wall of text that started off ranting about how a botched cron job ruined christmas, but I was very pleasantly surprised. Anything that has the phrase "part-time Juggalo" is pretty much guaranted to be amusing. It's almost too depressing to be funny.
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Apology posted:No poo poo, it's insane. "My hours are 8 am to 5 pm, so you'd best get your crapping done before I clock out." From another thread on there: The generous Kevin Havens posted:I got my mother a Betty Boop pajama set. And in another, he describes how his mannequin Andrea is into ICP... It all makes sense now!
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 08:34 |
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Surfingelectrode posted:Oh, god this is too much. This monster of a post is exactly why I despise Kevin. He is such a selfish little weasel. He's actually whining about having to take care of Kat. I can't imagine how embarrassing that must have been for her. First of all, it's bad enough she has to have someone's help for that, but then the person who is supposed to love her is throwing a fit about it and saying he doesn't have to because he's not getting paid! Then, instead of being an adult and enjoying Christmas as a time with family, he's crying about not getting gifts and sneaking onto his mother's account to see if she even got him anything. That is not what Christmas is about in any way. He then goes to his room and cries like a little girl and makes out with a loving plastic object. Kevin's brother is dead on in all of this. Kevin should be locked up in a loony bin already. TigerMoJo fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Nov 23, 2008 |
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"Kevin "Ladies man" Havens posted:He also told me that he would turn around if he found a doll in some guy's living room and get back in his car and go home, and that is the reason why he said that no one would visit anymore. (Well, mostly him, because all his friends are alpha males with lost and forgotten imaginations.) This is the best part right here, "No, the reason no one comes over is because they dont have any imagination to see the yellow plastic thing COULD be real! HAVE YOU READ MY BOOK YET!?". Hey Vips, I know you'll still be reading this, desperate to post, fuming and sputtering so could you ask Kevin if he wants his Audiobook published too? Thanks man. And thanks Ozma, "I'LL BE TROLLING YA'LL IN A MONTH HAHA" was getting mighty old. Just saying "I am trolling you" isnt trolling Vips.
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 11:52 |
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:And thanks Ozma, "I'LL BE TROLLING YA'LL IN A MONTH HAHA" was getting mighty old. Just saying "I am trolling you" isnt trolling Vips. The worst thing is that I think he'll see the ban as some kind of victory instead of a sign that he's basically a worthless human being.
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 14:12 |
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Let the baby have his gently caress-doll. At least don't have to deal with him for an undisclosed period of time.
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 14:16 |
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Robotic T-Rex posted:The worst thing is that I think he'll see the ban as some kind of victory instead of a sign that he's basically a worthless human being. Well thats what I said a while ago, but point is, this thread is just for our shits and giggles, if Shit_vips makes a long post about how he "Destoryed the goons so bad they had to ban me!" then we'll get a few laughs out of it, and we wont have to sit and read "I AM TROLLING HAHA TROLL STRIKE BITCHS" every few days.
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 14:29 |
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:Well thats what I said a while ago, but point is, this thread is just for our shits and giggles, if Shit_vips makes a long post about how he "Destoryed the goons so bad they had to ban me!" then we'll get a few laughs out of it, and we wont have to sit and read "I AM TROLLING HAHA TROLL STRIKE BITCHS" every few days. Oh no, I completely agree with the ban on the grounds that he's just not funny any more. It just makes me a bit sad to think that he hasn't learned anything at all here.
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TigerMoJo posted:This monster of a post is exactly why I despise Kevin. He is such a selfish little weasel. This is my favorite part: CasperGhostMAN posted:I went back into the living room and tried to silently cry. I tried to call Kat into the living room to talk to me, but Will told her bluntly not to fall for my "little tricks." He then offered Kat to go outside to "cool off" (and yes, she was hot), but I believe that he took that opportunity to yell at me some more. After he felt that he had enough of making me miserable for the next few days, he proclaimed that he was going upstairs. But then he came down about ten or fifteen minutes later after Mom tried to tell him to drop the subject. I just cannot imagine a 28 year old beetfaced man with asperger's crying because his brother insulted his dolly. I really can't... it's just so ridiculous. And I like how Kevin states that his brother is trying to insult him by asking Kat if she wants to go outside because she's hot. Someone should send his brother a message on myspace...
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 17:48 |
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This may be a stupid question, but does Kevin really have Aspergers? Or is he 'self-diagnosed'??
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Zappatista posted:This may be a stupid question, but does Kevin really have Aspergers? Or is he 'self-diagnosed'?? Self-diagnosed. From the first thread: quote:And finally, when I was “high” on something I smoked back when I wrote the thing on brain disorders well, I was lucky to find something on Asperger’s Syndrome… on my birthday when I got a Sunday newspaper. When I saw the “symptoms,” I instantly related to each and every one of them that was listed, when I was a child and when I am an adult now. I told Mr. Huddle this afternoon when I saw him. Gene Hackman Fan fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Nov 23, 2008 |
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Surfingelectrode posted:From another thread on there: I feel better knowing that Kat got more gifts from her boyfriend than the doll did...
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Not nearly as good as the Christmas story, but...Kevin Havens, lover, polygamist posted:Like with Daphne, and Alexa before her, I had tried to create a personality of a doll that I am getting, and Andrea is no exception. EDIT: Christ, even back in August of this year he was STILL dwelling on Christmas! Kevin Havens, spoiled brat posted:My mother (glad I'm not with her anymore) had berated me when I lived with her and I got myself something nice and then got them, with Kat, some nice gifts for Christmas 2007 and they either got returned or given away, and the rest of my family didn't get me and Kat no gifts that day, but with empty promises that there would be gifts, but to be patient, they're on their way. When no gifts arrived via any carrier, Kat and I were upset by Twelfth Night. They even got on my case for getting Daphne something for Christmas! Surfingelectrode fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Nov 23, 2008 |
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Apology posted:I feel better knowing that Kat got more gifts from her boyfriend than the doll did... see now, bawls is great because it counts as six gifts in one convenient package!
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 19:06 |
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See and now after that huge spergin' post, I'm back to imagining Kevin, Doll in computer chair, grabbing the dolls hands and just smashing the hell out of the keyboard with them, mumbling "yes you love this ubuntu release i mean look at its customization and options that are possible with this edition dont you you sexy little clown rapper"
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 19:21 |
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My God. Kevin is a horrible, horrible person. For a moment I started thinking that if his mother had spent a little more time spanking him rather than just berating him he might have had a chance at life. Then I remembered that it's Kevin. Pity Jimmy just couldn't come up with something new. Now he'll have to spend another ten bucks to continue pwning us.
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 20:18 |
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Deacon Blues posted:My God. Kevin is a horrible, horrible person. For a moment I started thinking that if his mother had spent a little more time spanking him rather than just berating him he might have had a chance at life. Then I remembered that it's Kevin. He's clearly fighting some mental issues and I wonder if, based on the way he writes, where he might rate on the autism spectrum. It reminds me somewhat of my autistic brother because my brother is perfectly capable of launching into excessive detail. The difference, however, is that my parents were good parents who cared for him and socialized him and made sure he stayed on medication so my brother can actually handle a social situation without resorting to cuddling with dolls, and he can control what he talks about so he doesn't spend paragraph after paragraph describing in minute detail the personalities of an inanimate object and/or the way in which he spends a mere hour of his day. So to an extent I feel for Kevin since he's facing an uphill battle but it's difficult to forgive someone for the way that they treat a partner. Kat's probably equally hosed up but no one deserves to be cared for by someone like him. And the most amusing part of banning viper is the prospect that he'll think he's intimidated us to the point of being banned when in reality it was just tedious to have him come in with weak little flames, say "BACK IN A MONTH" and then return in a couple days when he was desperate for some dialogue.
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 20:26 |
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Ozma posted:
It was different when it was Dave as he was actually kind of entertaining, but Viper isn't in the least. He just comes in and spouts a lot of retarded poo poo that can be best summed up as "I know you are, but what am I?" and does the whole "back in a month" thing you mentioned. If you don't want to ban him, can you at least probate him for a month every time he says that he is going to leave for that long? I mean, we ban people when they say they are leaving SA and never coming back, or at least we used too.
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 20:35 |
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Surfingelectrode posted:Kevin's Christmas Tale Hark the herald angels sing "Glory to the newborn King! Peace on earth and mercy mild God and sinners reconciled" Joyful, all ye nations rise Join the triumph of the skies With the angelic host proclaim: "Christ is born in Bethlehem" Hark! The herald angels sing "Glory to the newborn King!"
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Deacon Blues" posted:Pity Jimmy just couldn't come up with something new. Now he'll have to spend another ten bucks to continue pwning us. Recall that it was Dave's money he lost. Hmmm... I could have sworn that Kevin's sister's name was Jessica. I suppose she uses "Jess" as short for "Justine", then. She must have been the one who infected him with ICP. There are pics of her in full clown make-up... I wonder if there are any of Kevin. Or for that matter, Kevin and his dolls made-up ready to go chicken huntin'. I have to point this out. It wasn't bolded, but of interest... Medium-rare Spergburger posted:(OK, In my weighted age and assumed maturity to physical looks test, Andrea has been weighted out to be 20 years old. So, that should make her at least a Junior in undergraduate studies. That test I like to keep a secret for now, and I fully don't have the bugs worked out. I'll release it under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike [CC BY-SA] license or some other copyleft license like the GNU Free Documentation License [GFDL] when I have it in some releasable form.) He's invented a loving age/maturity scale... for fuckdolls... one he intends to publish... ! It slays me enough that he was honestly trying to get his TJTL fully published, even if only in a rather limited way. Electrode, did you find anything more about how that progressed? I'm guessing that either Kevin eventually got distracted or the publisher actually got around to really reading what it was that Kevin had sent them. And those Christmas tales! I hope his brother comes across this thread and dishes on Kevin. That would be almost too damned good. I wonder how many stories Will has regarding Kevin mistreating and neglecting Kat. Quite a few, I would gather . Magic Bob posted:Goonobyl, why didn't you take up Caligasti's helldump challenge? Too chickenshit? He's a paranoid little chicken poo poo who thinks he has my name and address but refuses to believe me when I tell him that he doesn't. Apology posted:Did anyone actually spend any money to find Pit Viper? I don't remember that part of the thread. I just remember all the rewards offered on the Doll Forums for Caligasti's information which they apparently did not get. Nope. None of us be they myself, TigerMojo, Deacon Blues, anybody, to the absolute best of my knowledge spent one plugged nickel to track down Shit_Viper. This thread could easily be used as a course in free internet detectiving. He left trails, we followed them. They absolutely did not get the information they were looking for. I can't say for sure if they paid or not, but Dave did go through the trouble of finally disclosing just what he has. Regardless, whoever investigated is mind-numbingly incompetent. I can state that the person who's name, address, phone number, email addresss, and IP address he believes to be mine and has distributed to not only James S. Williams but to others including myself is most certainly NOT me. Wrong name to the point that hardly any letters are shared between their name and my own. Wrong side of town indicated, and for that matter not even a residential address, let alone where I work. Not to mention that just about any public records currently available would list me at a different address than where I currently reside. Wrong phone number, and I can tell Dave and Jim that they can go ahead and call that number and the "correct" person may well answer since it is indeed a cell phone. No need to worry about their parents or roommates answering. Wrong email, and definitely wrong IP. Apology posted:Also, BofA won't get rid of him for being a dollfucker; that's too much trouble and they wouldn't want any potential legal hassles, even if they'd win. They'll just tell him they have to downsize due to the terrible, terrible economy, so sorry, better luck next time getting a job somewhere else in the banking industry during the bailout when everybody's cutting jobs. That's the way big corporations get rid of people they just don't like---nobody can sue for losing their job during a downsizing, it's just a fact of life. That, or if it turns out he actually does work as an Agent-troll, he could be let go for being reckless and being poor at his job since he got stunningly and embarassingly counter-trolled, and giving his company, himself, and his profession very bad names. Caligasti fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Nov 23, 2008 |
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Lowen SoDium posted:It was different when it was Dave as he was actually kind of entertaining, but Viper isn't in the least. He just comes in and spouts a lot of retarded poo poo that can be best summed up as "I know you are, but what am I?" and does the whole "back in a month" thing you mentioned. She already banned him, which is for the best. I honestly don't see any reason to unban him. If he wants to come back and spout off some more ineffectual bullshit, he can take ten dollars away from his savings toward his next doll to reregister. He broke a lot of rules here, but he wasn't banned because he was at least mildly amusing. Why keep him around when he's not even that anymore?
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 21:04 |
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Someone get this juggalo bitch in here! Awesome, it looks like we might have hit some sort of trifecta judging from the pics on her Myspace page. Juggalo? Check. Furry? Check. PLUSHIE? Check. Edit: We also have our first look at who spawned these pitiful wastes of oxygen! May I introduce KEVIN'S MOTHER.... Another pic of her hugging a retard in Justina's "Field Trip" album: SolanaSkyes fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Nov 23, 2008 |
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SolanaSkyes posted:Someone get this juggalo bitch in here! I don't think it can be called just a trifecta. Fat-girl Phoenix Wright cosplay? Oh yes. Rocky Horror Picture show fangirl? Of course. BONUS ROUND: "My desktop that I highly live by"
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 21:15 |
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If I recall their mother used to be a Special Ed teacher and is now some sort of counsellor for those with special needs. It likely tears at her to see how Kevin turned out. On the other hand, she probably has many ways she can blame herself for his turning out the way he did. Don't forget his sister's DA: http://violentjess.deviantart.com/ Kevin's is still up, too. Wow. http://casperghostboy.deviantart.com/ Caligasti fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Nov 23, 2008 |
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More of Dave's new "Boy Toy"! "Her" name is Gabrielle. ! Midiman's BoyToy Arrives "Can't touch this!" posted:Click here for the full 800x478 image.
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 21:37 |
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^^^^ I wonder if PETA would have anything to say about rubbing a sex toy on a dog and taking pictures of it?Cha posted:She already banned him, which is for the best. I honestly don't see any reason to unban him. If he wants to come back and spout off some more ineffectual bullshit, he can take ten dollars away from his savings toward his next doll to reregister. He broke a lot of rules here, but he wasn't banned because he was at least mildly amusing. Why keep him around when he's not even that anymore? Oh, I missed that. Yeah, no reason to unban him.
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Cha posted:
hahahahahaha Oh holy poo poo look at that picture hahaha Also I like how the dog in the picture is curled up in a ball and looks sad as all hell.
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Another journalist trying to infilta=rate the ranks of the dollfuckers... Story on real dolls owners annev posted:Hello, After the better part of a page amounting to "! TROLL!!!"... Everhard posted:As the individual on whom the Lars character is based (see that topic in the Realdoll forum) I would volunteer except I don't live in the USA, west or east. And guess what? Dave chips in his endorsement as the honorary Dollfucker Public Relations Commissioner... "! Shut up, Scott!" posted:Everhard wrote: At least Everhard is able to stand to talk to real people and won't address her through one of his dollies. Everhard posted:I have seen only a few clips, mainly from the official trailer, on u-tube. Lars of course differs from me in several respects, not least of which is that none of my girls have just returned from voluntary work in Africa (or whatever it was that Bianca is supposed to have done). Well, they have returned from a war against Mars using WWII-era armament. http://rebeccadoll.org/ I hope Anne realizes that Bianca is just Dave replying again... "I'm Bianca, not Dave! I swear!" posted:stacy718 wrote: ! Well, there ya go! It goes on and on with Dave insisting "The media aren't bad!" and Shit_Viper backing Dave up, calling the other's paranoid, and a little bit of a bitchfight between Shit_Viper and Debra erupts again. Shit_Viper posted:technoguy wrote: Ahhhh... memories. That was fun! Debra posted:Don't call people here paranoid, and further more pv the media gave themselves a bad reputation, NOT the folks. "We're NOT paranoid! The media really IS out to get us!" " I shoot when ya least expect!" posted:Meh whatever. I personally don't give a rats rear end as to how the community rises to the media one way or the other now. I'm just it telling like it is. "I'm in the media! Stop calling me evil!" posted:Debra wrote: Debra posted:The media needs to stop burning the people, in all areas of society, this is why the vast majority in America today say they don't even believe what comes out of the main stream media. Anyway, back to more of Dave's epic posts... "We MUST be exposed!" posted:Bill wrote: "I gots a dicshunairy!" posted:Debra wrote: "Pulling a Midi"? Shit_Viper's gonna be furious you just ripped-off Homer Simpson there, Dave! He can tell you that you "Pulled a Homer", can't you, Jimmy? More talk of HBO from Dave... " I'm still gonna say 'Pulled a Midi'!" posted:zazakell wrote: So ar yoo gon to beh ahn HBO fer reels, Davae? Caligasti fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Nov 23, 2008 |
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"I WANT REAL PEOPLE NONE OF YOU PHYSCHOS THAT WHY I RESCUED THE DOLL FROM THE CHARACTER IN THE MOVIE"
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Caligasti posted:More of Dave's new "Boy Toy"! "Her" name is Gabrielle. ! That poor dog, it looks so completely distressed.
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drat, Hockey is one slimey schyster of a person. He probably thinks he's being slick. He's greasier than a caricature of a greasy used car salesman.
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:"I WANT REAL PEOPLE NONE OF YOU PHYSCHOS THAT WHY I RESCUED THE DOLL FROM THE CHARACTER IN THE MOVIE" Yeah. I also like how he trolls his fellow dollfuckers by posting links to their IRL pics and between the lines all but admits to selling the whole "community" out and calls them weak and pathetic for not "coming out" as dollfuckers. Hypocritical much, Dave? "One of us! One of us! One of Us!" Anybody here know French well enough to investigate Anne's site? Only the bio is in Englsh. Caligasti fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Nov 23, 2008 |
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I don't know what happened to that guy aside from genetic mutations due to imbreeding, but the doll kind of reminds me of the Mobot from The Man with the Screaming Brain.
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# ? Nov 23, 2008 23:30 |
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Caligasti posted:If I recall their mother used to be a Special Ed teacher and is now some sort of counsellor for those with special needs. It likely tears at her to see how Kevin turned out. On the other hand, she probably has many ways she can blame herself for his turning out the way he did. If that's the case then how can she stand by and watch her Aspie/FAS/dollfucking tard of son abuse and neglect his disabled girlfriend?
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# ? Nov 24, 2008 00:02 |
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Caligasti posted:Yeah. I also like how he trolls his fellow dollfuckers by posting links to their IRL pics and between the lines all but admits to selling the whole "community" out and calls them weak and pathetic for not "coming out" as dollfuckers. Hypocritical much, Dave? He's such an rear end in a top hat. It's really no suprise that the truly retarded have chosen to follow his attempts to faction off the dollfuckers.
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# ? Nov 24, 2008 00:13 |
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Caligasti posted:It slays me enough that he was honestly trying to get his TJTL fully published, even if only in a rather limited way. Electrode, did you find anything more about how that progressed? I'm guessing that either Kevin eventually got distracted or the publisher actually got around to really reading what it was that Kevin had sent them. If I'm right, Xilibris is like the Cafepress of books...you can get anything you write published. Here's some more nuggets from the Kevin Havens vault... Kevin Havens, mannequin fucker posted:This past Tuesday, out of desperate hope to own another doll of any type and I knew that I couldn't save up for a silicone doll, so I tried a Web shop called "Studio Rox" (http://www.studiorox.com/)that sells mannequins for a reasonable price. Kevin Havens, walker posted:
He wants to buy a motor scooter so he can go pick up hot dogs from 7-11 Kevin Havens posted:Since I know that no DMV or other ID issuing authority will not issue dolls ID cards, no matter how hard you pressure a clerk that it would be in "harmless fun," they would blantantly refuse. They would claim that it would be a waste of my money (In VA, ID cards cost $10) and a waste of their time and resources "just" to make a doll an ID card. So, do what I did and just scan your ID card/Driver's License and modify it heavily like I did. So you can keep most of your ID's graphic integrity, use a blur tool to delete your information but keep background graphics complete. Even though that it seems like VA uses a font similar to Arial/Helvetica, but I just recommend that you use Arial or Helvetica (depending on your OS) if your state's license/ID uses something similar. But don't do the same mistake I did and forget to put a watermark or a string of "VOID" somewhere on the card. Some states are particular about counterfeiting "genuine" licenses/ID cards and will prosecute if something comes up and someone who is a snitch reports the "fake ID" to the authorities, even though it is in just "harmless fun" and your intentions are not cranking out fake IDs for profit. That's why I just keep Daphne's ID card in her pocket. I don't have an ID card printing machine (the motherf***er's about $2000 for a basic model at TigerDirect.com and I don't know if it would work with Linux), so I printed mine on matte photo paper (that I got from Dollar Tree) on an ink jet, trimmed it to size and laminated it with self-laminating sheets that I got from Office Depot. Which led me to his geocities directory: http://www.geocities.com/casperg1977/tdfpics/ and another picture of Kat: and Daphne's theme song. Don't know what the song is. EDIT: Resized his ID card and blurred the address. Surfingelectrode fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Nov 24, 2008 |
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Surfingelectrode posted:If I'm right, Xilibris is like the Cafepress of books...you can get anything you write published. quote:Which led me to his geocities directory: http://www.geocities.com/casperg1977/tdfpics/
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TigerMoJo posted:Either Geocities is down or he saw this post and took it down. I think it's geocities... the link to the ID still works: http://www.geocities.com/casperg1977/tdfpics/daphneidcardvirginiadmv.jpg Edit: From his LastFM: Kevin Havens, auteur posted:Certified Al-oholic. 'Tho, I didn't even make the top 10 list on "You Don't Know Al," but I know quite a bit about Weird Al. I even have "UHF" on DVD. I know how to recite the parts from that movie where George Newman (Yankovic) was upset over losing his girlfriend, Teri (Victoria Jackson) and lets loose his anger on "Uncle Nutzy's Clubhouse." I know the dialogue from that. I even know the part where Stanley Spadowski (Michael Richards) goes "HEY!!! THESE FLOORS ARE DIRTY AS HELL AND I AIN'T GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!" (Cue "Battle Hymn of the Republic".) Tells ya how much I know about Al. LastFM Squeeze, Weird Al, Mindless Self Indulgence, ICP Cal, if you want to send his brother a link to this thread, here's his [url="https:// http://www.myspace.com/willhavens"]myspace[/url]. Seriously, if anyone gets bored, just go through his Doll Forum posts. It's a literal roller coaster of hilarity and hopelessness. Surfingelectrode fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Nov 24, 2008 |
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