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Glass Joe
Mar 9, 2007


morestuff posted:

These are probably more entertaining than educational, but Easy Riders, Raging Bulls and The Kid Stays In The Picture are good reads.

The documentary version of The Kid Stays In The Picture is fascinating to watch as well. It's basically selections from the audiobook read by Evans himself with relevant video clips. I put it on one day for background noise and within a few minutes I was sucked in.

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Monkeyseesaw
Oct 11, 2002

I do not believe you realize the gravity of your situation.

I've always like this take on Robert Evans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bcj14h3jco

Digital Osmosis
Nov 10, 2002

Smile, Citizen! Happiness is Mandatory.

So, I somehow never got into the Harry Potter books - I think they came along right when I was old enough to see it as obvious wish fulfillment bullshit but not old enough to realize I love obvious wish fulfillment bullshit. I have however seen a few of the movies, mostly dragged along by friends. I thought one was loving awful. I was shocked how much I enjoyed four, and I was kinda bored by five but it was more or less worth my time. Anyway, here's my question: I loving love Alfonso Cuaron, and I recorded the third one off of HBO. Is it worth watching? Does any of Cuaron's genius shine through, or is he more or less just moving the franchise along?

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007



Digital Osmosis posted:

Anyway, here's my question: I loving love Alfonso Cuaron, and I recorded the third one off of HBO. Is it worth watching? Does any of Cuaron's genius shine through, or is he more or less just moving the franchise along?

It's the most playful and lively of the Harry Potter films and the one I enjoyed the most. It's not his best work, but if you're okay with Harry Potter, really enjoy Alfonso Cuaron, and already have it recorded then it's worth checking out.

tvb
Dec 22, 2004

We don't understand Chinese, dude!

Digital Osmosis posted:

So, I somehow never got into the Harry Potter books - I think they came along right when I was old enough to see it as obvious wish fulfillment bullshit but not old enough to realize I love obvious wish fulfillment bullshit. I have however seen a few of the movies, mostly dragged along by friends. I thought one was loving awful. I was shocked how much I enjoyed four, and I was kinda bored by five but it was more or less worth my time. Anyway, here's my question: I loving love Alfonso Cuaron, and I recorded the third one off of HBO. Is it worth watching? Does any of Cuaron's genius shine through, or is he more or less just moving the franchise along?

It's absolutely worth watching, and one of the best of the series. It's very, very distinctly Cuaron, and the visuals are completely stunning. Gorgeous production design, some nice long takes, and the practical effects hold up pretty impressively nine years later.

It's also one of the most enjoyable tonally because of how it mirrors the books. Despite the fantastical threats of the first two stories (giant snakes! trolls! three-headed dogs!), this is the first one in which you realize that the world of magic is seriously dangerous, frightening and filled with lasting, gruesome consequence. The movie has a real sense of creeping dread, and by the time it reaches its climax, goes almost into full-on horror movie mode. It's intentionally unsettling but immensely satisfying.

BOAT SHOWBOAT
Oct 11, 2007

who do you carry the torch for, my young man?

Yeah it's definitely the best of the series, I wish Cuaron had made more of them.

Mescal
Jul 23, 2005



This is a longshot question, but I know there are inside people and rumor followers here. Have there been any whispers about a Venom trilogy by the studio that owns the movie rights to Spider-Man at the moment?

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

Trilogy? Not as far as I've heard, but there has definitely been talk over the past couple of years about doing a Venom standalone film.

muscles like this?
Jan 17, 2005

BOGGLE?



Has Ridley Scott ever explained why they cast Guy Pierce as Peter Weyland in Prometheus? Mostly I'm wondering why they just didn't hire an older actor for the part instead of having to put a younger guy through all that makeup.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Guy Pearce thinks he's Lon Chaney, Jr.

FishBulb
Mar 29, 2003

Awesome power!


muscles like this? posted:

Has Ridley Scott ever explained why they cast Guy Pierce as Peter Weyland in Prometheus? Mostly I'm wondering why they just didn't hire an older actor for the part instead of having to put a younger guy through all that makeup.

I assumed it was so they could do that TED talk promo/video

Also he can spend as much money as he wants on silly things like they because he's Ridley Scott and it was an 'Alien' movie.

morestuff
Aug 2, 2008



muscles like this? posted:

Has Ridley Scott ever explained why they cast Guy Pierce as Peter Weyland in Prometheus? Mostly I'm wondering why they just didn't hire an older actor for the part instead of having to put a younger guy through all that makeup.

quote:

Let's talk briefly about Prometheus. You put on a lot of makeup to play an old man in that, Peter Weyland, but Ridley Scott cast you because, originally, there was one scene when Weyland was supposed to appear as a young man. Did you actually shoot that?

Guy Pearce: No, we didn’t end up shooting it. We got close to shooting it, and as we got closer, Ridley just started to see it as something that would just be a little distracting, almost. And funnily enough, there was this sort of marketing idea from the outset that we would do Peter Weyland giving this TED lecture, and it was kind of funny that that ended up taking precedence over what was in the movie. So, yeah, I guess in the end, they could have cast an older actor.

http://www.vulture.com/2012/08/guy-...s-and-camp.html

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

EVERY FAIRY TALE NEEDS ITS HERO.

muscles like this? posted:

Has Ridley Scott ever explained why they cast Guy Pierce as Peter Weyland in Prometheus? Mostly I'm wondering why they just didn't hire an older actor for the part instead of having to put a younger guy through all that makeup.

Yes, unequivocally, as stated above. Weyland originally had a lot of flashbacks in the shooting script. By the time they started filming, all those scenes had been cut or movified but Pierce had already been locked in.

This made for him being in a very mediocre role. HOWEVER! I believe it worked out perfectly, because the entire time I was waiting for a scene when the engineers made him younger, because I knew it was a guy in makeup. When they all talk to the engineer for the first time and he kills the poo poo out of Weyland, my mind was legitimately blown, since I was just waiting for him to become Young Guy Pierce.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

Gotta' nuke something.


feedmyleg posted:

Yes, unequivocally, as stated above. Weyland originally had a lot of flashbacks in the shooting script. By the time they started filming, all those scenes had been cut or movified but Pierce had already been locked in.

This made for him being in a very mediocre role. HOWEVER! I believe it worked out perfectly, because the entire time I was waiting for a scene when the engineers made him younger, because I knew it was a guy in makeup. When they all talk to the engineer for the first time and he kills the poo poo out of Weyland, my mind was legitimately blown, since I was just waiting for him to become Young Guy Pierce.

It was a pretty anti-climactic as well, as there wasn't even any buildup to the reveal that Weyland was on the ship. Rapace basically gets an inkling that maybe he's aboard, she runs around for about 10 seconds, turns a corner and then he's just there. I mean, I've seen better-paced episodes of Three's Company than that "stunning" reveal.

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007



Bloody Hedgehog posted:

It was a pretty anti-climactic as well, as there wasn't even any buildup to the reveal that Weyland was on the ship. Rapace basically gets an inkling that maybe he's aboard, she runs around for about 10 seconds, turns a corner and then he's just there. I mean, I've seen better-paced episodes of Three's Company than that "stunning" reveal.

Isn't it revealed that Weyland is on the ship when Vickers and David have a discussion about his orders? They don't use his name, but I thought it was apparent who they were talking about. It's only a reveal to Shaw, not the audience, so they don't bother wasting a lot of time on it.

Dissapointed Owl
Jan 30, 2008

You wrote me a letter,
and this is how it went:


Bloody Hedgehog posted:

It was a pretty anti-climactic as well, as there wasn't even any buildup to the reveal that Weyland was on the ship. Rapace basically gets an inkling that maybe he's aboard, she runs around for about 10 seconds, turns a corner and then he's just there. I mean, I've seen better-paced episodes of Three's Company than that "stunning" reveal.

It wasn't supposed to be a reveal though. We see David communicate with a stasis pod and we infer from his meeting with Vickers in the hallway afterwards that it was Weyland.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

Gotta' nuke something.


Dissapointed Owl posted:

It wasn't supposed to be a reveal though. We see David communicate with a stasis pod and we infer from his meeting with Vickers in the hallway afterwards that it was Weyland.

Yeah, the viewer gets it, but you still need to reveal it to the characters, and that was done pretty poorly.

Shanty
Nov 7, 2005

I'm-a gonna rip off-a your head and shit down-a your neck!

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Yeah, the viewer gets it, but you still need to reveal it to the characters, and that was done pretty poorly.

I don't know about poorly, but it was certainly an anti-climax. Shaw fights her way through the crazy alien abortion and is barely upright and then it's just oh by the way, I'm here too, I did this to you, everything was a lie, no one ever gave a poo poo about you or your dead husband. Weyland literally doesn't care that she knows he's there or that she nearly died or what she thinks about what he's doing. She's a complete non-factor now that he knows he's found what he came for. Shaw is just an annoyance in his machinations now. Caught between would-be gods, barely surviving.

Boatswain
May 29, 2012


Are there any good no-bullshit sites where I can find information and reviews about upcoming movies covering both indie/European and Hollywood titles?

Friedpundit
May 6, 2009

Merry Christmas Scary Wormhole!


I don't read it often enough to say this with certainty, but maybe Indiewire? http://www.indiewire.com/

Boatswain
May 29, 2012


Friedpundit posted:

I don't read it often enough to say this with certainty, but maybe Indiewire? http://www.indiewire.com/

Thanks mate, that looks alright.

foodfight
Feb 10, 2009


Shanty posted:

I don't know about poorly, but it was certainly an anti-climax. Shaw fights her way through the crazy alien abortion and is barely upright and then it's just oh by the way, I'm here too, I did this to you, everything was a lie, no one ever gave a poo poo about you or your dead husband. Weyland literally doesn't care that she knows he's there or that she nearly died or what she thinks about what he's doing. She's a complete non-factor now that he knows he's found what he came for. Shaw is just an annoyance in his machinations now. Caught between would-be gods, barely surviving.

David is the only one that really cares about Shaw.

Shanty
Nov 7, 2005

I'm-a gonna rip off-a your head and shit down-a your neck!

foodfight posted:

David is the only one that really cares about Shaw.

And vice versa, sort of! Ah, well I guess Vickers resents him a bunch, but Weyland certainly doesn't care beyond being smug as gently caress about creating him. Shaw is the only one to interact with him as a sentient being.

Friedpundit
May 6, 2009

Merry Christmas Scary Wormhole!


SubG had a good post a few months back about the Shaw Brothers and named off a bunch of notable works. I could have sworn it was in this thread or general chat, but I can't find the drat thing an I don't have plat. After cross-referencing with some stuff on my youtube account and netflix history, all I can say that the post was definitely made between Feb. 26th and Mar. 2nd.

a radii hike
Aug 6, 2006


Friedpundit posted:

SubG had a good post a few months back about the Shaw Brothers and named off a bunch of notable works. I could have sworn it was in this thread or general chat, but I can't find the drat thing an I don't have plat. After cross-referencing with some stuff on my youtube account and netflix history, all I can say that the post was definitely made between Feb. 26th and Mar. 2nd.
This is the closest I could find:

SubG posted:

Liu Chia Liang made a bunch of classic action films at Shaw. Here's some that should probably be considered `essential' or whatever:
  • Hong Xi Guan/Executioners From Shaolin (1977). This is a film that you absolutely would have seen if you were watching grindhouse flicks or latenight UHF movie marathons back in the late '70s/early '80s. Noteworthy for Lo Lieh's (first) performance as Pai Mei.
  • Shao Lin San Shi Liu Fang/Shaolin Master Killer/36th Chamber of Shaolin (1978). One of the most iconic kung fu films; the devotion of a large part of the narrative to the protagonists' training was hugely influential on later martial arts films. There are sequels-in-name, but don't bother unless you're a completionist.
  • Wu Lang Ba Gua Gun/Invincible Pole Fighter/Eight Diagram Pole Fighter (1984). This isn't exactly a landmark of the genre, but it's one of my favourites. This is again a pairing of director Liu with his half-brother Gordon Liu, and like Master Killer spends most of the runtime on training with the motivating injustice and climatic boss fight tacked on as bookends for narrative framing. This features one of my favourite fight sequences in film.
While we're talking about Shaw Brothers, if you're interested in the history of the genre you should probably check out:
  • Da Zui Xia/Come Drink With Me (1966), which was one of Shaw's first big mainstream successes. The sequel Jin Yan Zi/The Girl With The Thunderbolt Kick/Golden Swallow (1968) was one of the first of the Shaws to get traction in the export market.
  • Dubei Dao/The One-Armed Swordsman (1967). This is arguably the most important kung fu film ever made. It was the first Shaw feature to gross over a million dollars in the export market. It spawned a whole franchise of One-Armed Swordsman films starring Jimmy Yu Wang, who later left Shaw and made a bunch more films involving a suspiciously similar but different one-armed martial artist; the most well-known of these not-quite-sequels is Du Bi Quan Wang Da po Xue Di Zi/Master of the Flying Guillotine (1975), which has already been mentioned here. This film also raised director Chang Cheh to prominence, and he remained one of the headline directors for Shaw for more than a decade.
  • Shui Hu Zhuan/Seven Blows of the Dragon/The Water Margin (1972). Picked as a representative sample of a Shaw `Iron Triangle' film: a film directed by Chang Cheh and starring Lung Ti and David Chiang. The `Iron Triangle' was one of the first set of Hong Kong kung fu action film superstars, and they were the backbone of Shaw Studios through their golden years. You could watch pretty much any of the Shaw films featuring these three; I picked The Water Margin because it's a classic Chinese pseudohistorical story that gets reused a lot.
  • Tian Xia Di Yi Guan/Five Fingers of Death/King Boxer (1972). Another iconic kung fu film from this era. I think it's weaker than the others I've listed here, but it's one of those films that absolutely everybody watching kung fu films at the time saw---sorta the Crouching Tiger of the day. The Kill Bill films borrow the `extreme danger' klaxon sound effect, and the secret death touch technique.
  • Wu Du/Five Deadly Venoms (1978). Another Chang Cheh vehicle with a later, different cast of regulars that would subsequently be known as the `Venoms'. This is another genre classic that you would have had to have seen if you were watching kung fu films in the '70s/'80s.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

Shumpin'


quote:

Shao Lin San Shi Liu Fang/Shaolin Master Killer/36th Chamber of Shaolin (1978). One of the most iconic kung fu films; the devotion of a large part of the narrative to the protagonists' training was hugely influential on later martial arts films. There are sequels-in-name, but don't bother unless you're a completionist.

The official sequel to 36 Chambers is jokey garbage, but the spiritual sequel directed by Gordon Liu, Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang, is loving great. I actually prefer it to 36 Chambers.

ynohtna
Feb 16, 2007

How does that sound?

Mechafunkzilla posted:

The official sequel to 36 Chambers is jokey garbage, but the spiritual sequel directed by Gordon Liu, Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang, is loving great. I actually prefer it to 36 Chambers.

Oh, hell yeah. Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang is truly amazing.

I'm also a big fan of the unrelated - apart from starring Gordon Liu and occasionally titled Shaolin vs. Ninja - 1978 film Heroes of the East.

Friedpundit
May 6, 2009

Merry Christmas Scary Wormhole!


That's not the exact post, but it's close enough and probably covers all the same ground. Thanks!

Pyrion Flax
Nov 30, 2002

^What you're talking to.^


There's a short horror film called Oculus that I have been wanting to see for a very long time. Can't find it anywhere, anyone got any ideas?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0791134/

Skwirl
May 13, 2007


Pyrion Flax posted:

There's a short horror film called Oculus that I have been wanting to see for a very long time. Can't find it anywhere, anyone got any ideas?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0791134/

Here's the director's twitter you might try asking him directly .

Edit: you can buy it here. https://www.createspace.com/Store/S...e.jsp?id=225219

Pyrion Flax
Nov 30, 2002

^What you're talking to.^


Skwirl posted:

Here's the director's twitter you might try asking him directly .

Edit: you can buy it here. https://www.createspace.com/Store/S...e.jsp?id=225219

Great, thanks!

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Mescal
Jul 23, 2005



I really like reading short pieces about movies and the facts/personalities behind them. I'm looking for a website with stuff like the Cracked "8 mind-blowing screwups behind classic movies!" except without the obnoxious writing style. The only other resources that come to mind are unsourced crap on TVtropes, and (ugh) celebrity gossip sites. Does what I'm looking for exist?

Edit: I mean mostly classic/older movies, since it takes years sometimes for people to tell stories and for rumors to be confirmed.

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