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kaosAG
Oct 14, 2005


Phat_Albert posted:

Argh, dammit, wandering around that plantedtank.net site really makes me want to move forward with more plants in my tank.

The focus of my tank has kind of shifted from fish to plants lately anyway.

I have a 72gal bowfront with some java fern and other plants in it. The substrate is small landscaping pea gravel, tan in color and kinda blah. What I'd really like to do is ditch the pea gravel and go with black substrate, as well as spraypaint the back of the aquarium black. I'm sick of the seascapes background I have up there now.

Anything I should know before I spraypaint the back of the tank?

So long as you're tearing the tank down completely paint is great. If you don't want to do that, then a black background (or some black construction paper/posterboard) works just fine. I believe that eco-complete or whatever substrate is pretty dark, if not black, and is great for planted tanks. Onyx isn't bad, but it's not specifically a plant substrate. The biggest things with planted tanks are lights and co2. Assuming you want a fancy high-light tank you'll want a pressurized injector system, and a rack of T5 fluorescents, which is pretty pricey. If you go that route, best of luck, a good planted tank is awesome to have, and will often inspire friends and other visitors to start their own tanks

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Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.

kaosAG posted:

So long as you're tearing the tank down completely paint is great. If you don't want to do that, then a black background (or some black construction paper/posterboard) works just fine. I believe that eco-complete or whatever substrate is pretty dark, if not black, and is great for planted tanks. Onyx isn't bad, but it's not specifically a plant substrate. The biggest things with planted tanks are lights and co2. Assuming you want a fancy high-light tank you'll want a pressurized injector system, and a rack of T5 fluorescents, which is pretty pricey. If you go that route, best of luck, a good planted tank is awesome to have, and will often inspire friends and other visitors to start their own tanks

EcoComplete is black, and i'm pretty sure the people who make Flourite make a black version now too.

Kuja
Oct 8, 2007
Not economically viable.

Oop, they're right, Onyx sand is fortified but not as good as Flourite black.
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Not an Anthem
Apr 27, 2003

I'm a fucking pain machine and if you even touch my fucking car I WILL FUCKING DESTROY YOU.


Desert Bus posted:

The man you are thinking of is Takashi Amano.
Yes!!! However I don't have the money, I know. Not a fan of shrimp either. I love all the living rock/coral/anemone/etc non-fish stuff people grow though. I think for the time being I'll just ogle other people's pictures until I have the ability.

Blood Daemon
Jul 16, 2008


Wow such negative comments!!

Maybe my morals are abit different for some of you!, But this is the way I was brought up. I don't purposely neglect Nimbo,

I won it on a fair.. YES fair fish don't live very long it's a known fact that they die within your first week due to being couped up in a plastic bag for hours with music pumping and people everywhere, until someone buys them (and then they get carried round the fair for a good few hours, then to be taken home where most people don't even have a fish tank!! THAT is neglect!!

He cost me £1 (that's about $2), I went out and yeah I aint as "rich" as some of you may be, so I got a little tank and kept him in there.. He's lived for 3 years in that tank. But from where I come from, that is an achievement... Not cruelty, maybe it's cruelty for you....

So stop with all your hate, just because I won't go out an fork out money because YOU GUYS say so, You call me ignorant!.. I agree I have a "who gives a poo poo attitude" but that's the way I like to be in life.. Belive it or not it gets you more places than licking the goverments rear end with their rules an regulations all your life.

Hate me all you like, I don't even know you guys. It don't bother me!

gross
Jan 6, 2006

Well, here's your problem!


I don't care about your fish either, but stop mentioning "3 years" like it's some kind of achievement. Goldfish will easily live for 15 or more in decent conditions. How much did you pay for the little tank and decorations?

Saxamaphone
Mar 21, 2007

Even this little fellow has Springfield's can-do spirit.


I don't have a camera, but for the past few months I've had a 10-gallon with a few miscellaneous plants, a couple snails, and a divider down the middle for the two male bettas, Otto and Rollo. Otto recently died, I'm not sure why but he was being very lethargic for the week preceding despite having the temp, pH, and food at optimum levels.

Now I just have Rollo in the left side of the tank all alone. Rollo never gave a poo poo about Otto, even when he swam right up to the divider. I guess he isn't particularly aggressive, though Otto's death occasioned the building of an epic bubble nest. My question is, what can I put in the 10-gal with him? Should I just get another betta for the right half or are there fish I can put in with him and remove the divider?

Kuja
Oct 8, 2007
Not economically viable.

Either get another betta or remove the divider and let him be by himself.

Most fish won't get along well with Bettas (a lot of people like to say otherwise but it's best not to risk it.) unless you want to risk a dull colored tropical that is solitary as well. I would have to get back to you about a slow moving, dull colored tropical fish that doesn't school, though...

kaosAG
Oct 14, 2005


Blood Daemon posted:

If you've got a "who gives a poo poo" attitude about the life of a creature in your care, then it was probably a pretty poor idea to come into PI and post about it, then subsequently act surprised when people jumped on you.

Y'know, just a thought.

Of course, you're probably just trolling, and in that case, well played.

QuarkMartial
Sep 25, 2004

I've seen the future, and it has hooves.

gross posted:

It's just PVC pipe chopped into segments and stuck together with silicone sealant. Somewhere in the archives is the thread from when I put the whole tank together, but I'll try to find the original pictures of how I made the platform if you want. They're around here somewhere.

gross posted:

Here you go, QuarkMartial.


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It's 4" diameter pipe, and the whole thing measures about 1' in each direction.

Hahah, man that's sweet. You don't mind if I use this in my new tank for my turtle do you? It's a great idea and I think he'd love it!

Did you coat the outside with silicone and roll it in rocks, or did you attach each rock by hand?

QuarkMartial fucked around with this message at Jul 19, 2008 around 07:50

csammis
Aug 26, 2003

Mental Institution

Kuja posted:

Most fish won't get along well with Bettas (a lot of people like to say otherwise but it's best not to risk it.) unless you want to risk a dull colored tropical that is solitary as well. I would have to get back to you about a slow moving, dull colored tropical fish that doesn't school, though...

I'm not sure where you're getting the "must be dull-colored and solitary" bits. My experience with bettas says that any fish that (a) isn't generally aggressive and (b) doesn't nip fins will get along just fine with a male betta. I kept a couple blue dwarf gouramis with a betta in a 10g many years ago, and they all got along fine. There were plants where the betta could rest if he wanted to be left alone, which is always helpful for bettas anyway.

gross
Jan 6, 2006

Well, here's your problem!


QuarkMartial posted:

Hahah, man that's sweet. You don't mind if I use this in my new tank for my turtle do you? It's a great idea and I think he'd love it!

Did you coat the outside with silicone and roll it in rocks, or did you attach each rock by hand?
I don't mind at all. You'll probably have to set it up differently so a turtle can crawl onto it though, depending on the water level. My frogs use those tiny platforms on the sides.

For the outside, I coated it in silicone one section at a time (so the silicone doesn't start to dry), rolled it in rocks, and then mashed some more on by hand to fill in the gaps. I think it's easier to get a good coat with smaller gravel, because mine was kind of a pain. You can see where I attached some individual rocks on the insides and ends of the pipes so the white doesn't show when looking at the front of the tank. That's about it. Just let it air dry for a few days, or until it stops stinking.

Edit: I went through almost two tubes of silicone. Make sure you buy enough.

gross fucked around with this message at Jul 19, 2008 around 15:12

Kela
Dec 30, 2007


Blood Daemon posted:

He cost me £1 (that's about $2), I went out and yeah I aint as "rich" as some of you may be, so I got a little tank and kept him in there..

Go to craigslist. You can get a 10-20 gallon tank for less than 20 bucks. You can probably find one for free pretty easily. Hell, I think 10 gallon tanks *brand new* are in the neighborhood of 10-20 bucks.

McCloud24
May 23, 2008

You call yourself a knight; what is that?


Blood Daemon posted:

Hate me all you like, I don't even know you guys. It don't bother me!

Then it won't bother you to get out of PI and never come back.

Kuja
Oct 8, 2007
Not economically viable.

csammis posted:

I'm not sure where you're getting the "must be dull-colored and solitary" bits. My experience with bettas says that any fish that (a) isn't generally aggressive and (b) doesn't nip fins will get along just fine with a male betta. I kept a couple blue dwarf gouramis with a betta in a 10g many years ago, and they all got along fine. There were plants where the betta could rest if he wanted to be left alone, which is always helpful for bettas anyway.

It's a good policy to keep for a species that is a) Aggressive, b) Solitary and c)capable of hurting other fish.

Instead of saying 'sure throw any old fish in there that you might like', I'd rather that people played it safe. My experience with bettas says a betta will with little hesitation kill anything brightly colored and quick moving (thus attracting attention).

It's not the end all be all, this is true. But it is safer.

QuarkMartial
Sep 25, 2004

I've seen the future, and it has hooves.

gross posted:

I don't mind at all. You'll probably have to set it up differently so a turtle can crawl onto it though, depending on the water level. My frogs use those tiny platforms on the sides.

For the outside, I coated it in silicone one section at a time (so the silicone doesn't start to dry), rolled it in rocks, and then mashed some more on by hand to fill in the gaps. I think it's easier to get a good coat with smaller gravel, because mine was kind of a pain. You can see where I attached some individual rocks on the insides and ends of the pipes so the white doesn't show when looking at the front of the tank. That's about it. Just let it air dry for a few days, or until it stops stinking.

Edit: I went through almost two tubes of silicone. Make sure you buy enough.

Thanks!

And to be absolutely sure, you used the GE Window and Door silicone caulking, right? I was going to use regular aquarium sealant, but it's waaaaaay to expensive. I'd like to use regular silicone, provided it's safe.

To keep the thread on track, here's a picture of the new stand I bought for my tank. Solid wood furniture is expensive, but it's rated for a 29 gallon tank, so it should do nicely.

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Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.

Here are some new pictures.

Tank and stand:


Current Full Tank Shot:


Cherry Shrimp:


Leopard Frog and Gold Nugget:


Queen Arabesque:


My female double-tail Betta got pop-eye recently. She's healing well, but she lost the eye. I also picked up a new female Betta, but I can't get a good pic of her.

Edit for more information:
I treated the Pop-Eye with about half the recommended dose of aquarium salt, half the recommended dose of Melafix, and about one-third the recommended dose of Pimafix. I also did a 20% water change the day I noticed the Pop-Eye, and the same for the five days following. The pictures were taken yesterday, day six. I'm going to continue to medicate and change water for at least another 3 days, longer if the swelling hasn't gone away completely.

The lesson in this? Melafix is expensive. Unlike me, you should have a quarantine tank, so you don't have to dose your whole tank in order to fix one fish. I have enough equipment laying around, and a small, spare filter on my tank, so I really have no excuse.

Edit Number Two:
Do not attempt to keep Hillstream Loaches in a fully tropical tank. They were doing fine around 80F, but once the house got a little warmer they died quickly. I feel bad for knowing they weren't perfectly suited to my water parameters and trying it anyway.

Desert Bus fucked around with this message at Jul 20, 2008 around 07:35

kaosAG
Oct 14, 2005


Desert Bus posted:

Edit Number Two:
Do not attempt to keep Hillstream Loaches in a fully tropical tank. They were doing fine around 80F, but once the house got a little warmer they died quickly. I feel bad for knowing they weren't perfectly suited to my water parameters and trying it anyway.

This is why I don't own any, though they're awesome fish. They really do best in a near-room-temperature tank (in the wild, they'd never see temps as high as 70F). Another fish in the "one of these days I'll set up a tank for those" category.

I'm amazed how many pictures you get of your QA. I have to be sneaky and pop the lights on at 3am with the camera ready to get a picture of mine. It bugs me that he's so shy, and yet such a beautiful fish

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.

kaosAG posted:

This is why I don't own any, though they're awesome fish. They really do best in a near-room-temperature tank (in the wild, they'd never see temps as high as 70F). Another fish in the "one of these days I'll set up a tank for those" category.

I'm amazed how many pictures you get of your QA. I have to be sneaky and pop the lights on at 3am with the camera ready to get a picture of mine. It bugs me that he's so shy, and yet such a beautiful fish

They are undeniably awesome, which is why I tried them. They lasted a good three months, and then summer hit.

Most of my QA pictures are when it's hiding, and I just zoom in really close, turn on the flash, and take pictures until it gets pissed off and swims away. I delete about 5-10 pictures for every one I keep. I try random things until I get a decent shot, try to replicate that a few times, and then start over.

Mine seemed to get more active once I added way more hiding spaces than my Pleco's need. It also seemed to get more active once I added the Leopard Frog, the two of them get along great. It also comes out for food, favorites being Zucchini, New Life Spectrum Community Pellets, and New Life Spectrum Optimum Fresh H2O Flakes. Out of my four Plecos, the Peppermint (L31) is the only one that won't come out with the light on.

Saxamaphone
Mar 21, 2007

Even this little fellow has Springfield's can-do spirit.


I ended up getting a lovely female betta for the other half of my tank. I introduced her this morning, and within ten minutes she'd managed to squeeze past the divider and into the male betta's half. So back into the store cup for her while I go get a divider that fits properly. I don't want a herd of babies and I don't want the male to flip the gently caress out on her.

Tethyis
Dec 13, 2006

The happiest fish..


Vigilantly Vigorous posted:

I went to the pet shop to pick up some live plants for my bland looking tank so I decided to look at some fish while I was there. While looking at some corys and such I saw a couple of these little fellas picking around in the gravel.



I needed something to keep the bottom of my tank nice and clean since my lazy sailfin squeaker just sits upside-down in his cave all day. I took home a Yoyo botias and he is getting along nicely in the tank. He is very shy, when anyone enters the room he digs the gravel and hides under something.

May be hard to see it really well in this pic, but I took some pvc pipe with elbows and made my botias and undergravel hideout they love. Anytime they get freaked they slide right in there and it seems to help them alot. Cheap and easy to make.

Kuja
Oct 8, 2007
Not economically viable.

Saxamaphone posted:

I ended up getting a lovely female betta for the other half of my tank. I introduced her this morning, and within ten minutes she'd managed to squeeze past the divider and into the male betta's half. So back into the store cup for her while I go get a divider that fits properly. I don't want a herd of babies and I don't want the male to flip the gently caress out on her.

You'd be much less likely to get baby bettas and more likely to get a dead one. Get a better divider, for certain. Hope the issue resolves itself well.

Saxamaphone
Mar 21, 2007

Even this little fellow has Springfield's can-do spirit.


Kuja posted:

You'd be much less likely to get baby bettas and more likely to get a dead one. Get a better divider, for certain. Hope the issue resolves itself well.

It did! I hadn't noticed that the divider didn't fit snugly before because the male bettas were too big to squeeze through. I got a new divider and she's back where she belongs.

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fuck me in the ass and tell me I'm pretty.


So I did wind up redoing my tank this weekend.

I scrapped the tan gravel, put in 75lbs of black gravel, and cleaned everything. I went with a standard black plastic background as well.

The good thing is that most of my plants had split off into separate chunks, so I was able to break alot of them up and spread them around. I also picked up a couple of powder blue dwarf gouramis, a freshwater puffer, and some more tetras to go along with the rest.

Its hard to get a steady shot of the tank without a tripod, but I definitely think it looks a ton better. The all black scheme REALLY brings out the colors of the plants and fish. Its almost like the aquarium isnt there. Also, the old setup, with the tan gravel and seascape background reflected a poo poo ton of light, so this setup doesnt absolutely fill the room with light, which I like alot more.



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Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

And I saw my reflection
in the sage-covered hills


So about 6 years ago I had a pet snake. This pet snake ate goldfish. Sometimes he wouldn't eat the goldfish and I would throw them in a 10 gallon until the snake got hungry. Eventually the fish got too big to eat and some mystery disease killed them all off except for Jaws. Jaws is about 9" now from nose to tail tip. He lives in a 50 gallon with his small friend, Little Fish. I made the stand myself. It cost about 7$ at home depot. Worth every penny! When the sad day comes that he dies I am getting him mounted and putting him on the wall.

The waters a bit cloudy in this because I just cleaned it.




My 20L tropical tank is not doing so good. I think I forgot to wash my hands between fishing and loving with the tank and some lovely local species have made their home in my home. I now have duckweed and milfoil. I feel really bad for the people who are trying to keep that stuff out of lakes right now because it just won't go away. This is two weeks of growth. Tomorrow I'll put in a picture of the tank as is but its nothing pretty. Argggggg.

Inhabitants:
1 Blue Gourami (would have more but this one just kills them)
8 Gold tetras
2 Ottos
1 Striped Raphael Catfish
Some ghost shrimp for the catfish to snack on
Lots of plants, some pretty some awful


Here it is in better days about a year ago, before some major livestock changes:

Home-made lighting ballast:

gross
Jan 6, 2006

Well, here's your problem!


^ ^ ^
That goldfish is a beast. It's hard to tell from the picture, but does it have a fan tail too? I was wondering if there's a special name for the ones that look like comets but have a tail that splits halfway down.

quote:

Nope he's just a regular old 7 cent feeder comet goldfish!

So is mine, it just happens to have a weird tail and I thought yours might be similar. I'll grab a picture of it later.

QuarkMartial posted:

And to be absolutely sure, you used the GE Window and Door silicone caulking, right? I was going to use regular aquarium sealant, but it's waaaaaay to expensive. I'd like to use regular silicone, provided it's safe.
I used GE Silicone I Window and Door on both the platform and the aquarium. I think II (the one with the gold label instead of silver) has the anti-mildew stuff which is bad news. Make sure it says "100% silicone".

Just to cover my own rear end, it's made of the exact same stuff as aquarium sealant, but they say right on the label that it's not for use in aquariums. All I can tell you is that I had no problems, so use at your own risk.

gross fucked around with this message at Jul 21, 2008 around 19:00

McCloud24
May 23, 2008

You call yourself a knight; what is that?


gross posted:

I was wondering if there's a special name for the ones that look like comets but have a tail that splits halfway down.

Waikin.

Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

And I saw my reflection
in the sage-covered hills


gross posted:

^ ^ ^
That goldfish is a beast. It's hard to tell from the picture, but does it have a fan tail too? I was wondering if there's a special name for the ones that look like comets but have a tail that splits halfway down.

I used GE Silicone I Window and Door on both the platform and the aquarium. I think II (the one with the gold label instead of silver) has the anti-mildew stuff which is bad news. Make sure it says "100% silicone".

Just to cover my own rear end, it's made of the exact same stuff as aquarium sealant, but they say right on the label that it's not for use in aquariums. All I can tell you is that I had no problems, so use at your own risk.

Nope he's just a regular old 7 cent feeder comet goldfish!

Vigilantly Vigorous
Jun 23, 2007
How delightful...

I live in Hawai'i and there aren't a lot of places close by that sell cheap supplies like filters or stands/aquariums. I am looking to buy a new stand aquarium and filter online for cheap. I checked a lot of sites and generally they are the same or higher than what my local store sells for. Is there a website that sells these for cheap? I am looking for a stand for a filter for a 55 gallon tank, but with a higher filtration rate

att
Jan 30, 2008

Est


Just chiming in to say that http://aqualandpetsplus.com is a pretty good resource for information on fish and useful for identifying species.

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fuck me in the ass and tell me I'm pretty.


Is there a good solution out there for keeping my smaller fish from falling victim to my filter?

I have a 110gal rated side hanging filter that is an absolute fish killer. Its quite powerful, which is nice for keeping my 72gal tank clean, but smaller fish dont seem to be able to overcome its suction at all.

Is there something I can put on it, or something I can do to make it less deadly to my smaller fish?

R.I.P. BRAND loving NEW dwarf puffer. Your tiny T-Rex fins were too small to carry you away from the filter intake.

Kuja
Oct 8, 2007
Not economically viable.

You can put pantyhose over the intake valve to slow it down, or take a sea sponge, carve out a fitting center and fit it over the intake. Either way will work, just depends on your preference.

gross
Jan 6, 2006

Well, here's your problem!


Here's my goldfish. The tank is a 20g long, and my goal with the whole thing was to keep it as cheap as possible. Pea gravel from the hardware store, big rocks from the beach, free helmet thing and artificial plants, two different kinds of homemade filters, an old desk lamp for light, and java moss from the guppy tank. That's the only plant I've found that the fish won't destroy.

Someday I'll set up something bigger and add a few more goldfish.


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kaosAG
Oct 14, 2005


Phat_Albert posted:

Is there a good solution out there for keeping my smaller fish from falling victim to my filter?

I have a 110gal rated side hanging filter that is an absolute fish killer. Its quite powerful, which is nice for keeping my 72gal tank clean, but smaller fish dont seem to be able to overcome its suction at all.

Is there something I can put on it, or something I can do to make it less deadly to my smaller fish?

R.I.P. BRAND loving NEW dwarf puffer. Your tiny T-Rex fins were too small to carry you away from the filter intake.

These Work perfectly. A little more work to hide than a normal filter intake, but for keeping small fish and shrimp out of the filer you can't go wrong.

McCloud24
May 23, 2008

You call yourself a knight; what is that?


gross posted:

Here's my goldfish. The tank is a 20g long, and my goal with the whole thing was to keep it as cheap as possible. Pea gravel from the hardware store, big rocks from the beach, free helmet thing and artificial plants, two different kinds of homemade filters, an old desk lamp for light, and java moss from the guppy tank. That's the only plant I've found that the fish won't destroy.

Someday I'll set up something bigger and add a few more goldfish.

Is it the camera or is your fish blind in that one eye? I'm guessing its the camera, but it looks cloudy. Gold fantail?

Psimitry
Jun 3, 2003

Hostile negotiations since 1978

ludnix posted:

I'm currently setting up a 120 gallon saltwater aquarium. So far it's just live rock, but by next week or so I should be ready to transfer my fish and corals.



While I am definitely liking the size of the tank, the walk around nature and the stand, you're probably going to want to re-aquascape. IMO, rock should be at least 6" away from the glass on all viewing panes in order to get a scraper down there. My roommate ignored me on this when we were moving in and now his side panes look like crap.

Also - can I assume you plan on moving those hydors to the other side of the tank? They would look a lot better over there if your tank is the three-sided walk around tank it appears to be.

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fuck me in the ass and tell me I'm pretty.


Phat_Albert posted:

So I did wind up redoing my tank this weekend.

I scrapped the tan gravel, put in 75lbs of black gravel, and cleaned everything. I went with a standard black plastic background as well.

The good thing is that most of my plants had split off into separate chunks, so I was able to break alot of them up and spread them around. I also picked up a couple of powder blue dwarf gouramis, a freshwater puffer, and some more tetras to go along with the rest.

Its hard to get a steady shot of the tank without a tripod, but I definitely think it looks a ton better. The all black scheme REALLY brings out the colors of the plants and fish. Its almost like the aquarium isnt there. Also, the old setup, with the tan gravel and seascape background reflected a poo poo ton of light, so this setup doesnt absolutely fill the room with light, which I like alot more.



Click here for the full 1200x900 image.



So how hosed am I that I didnt go with plant-friendly sand substrate? I just went with standard black gravel, not really realizing that there was special plant substrate out there.

Will a regimen of root-based plant tabs and drops keep me in the clear?

Vigilantly Vigorous
Jun 23, 2007
How delightful...

As far as substrates go, with most plants its ok to go with normal gravel. I use a standard coated gravel and most of my plants took root. I have only had trouble with the plants that arent getting enough light.

What should I be paying for a 20/29/30 gallon tank?

QuarkMartial
Sep 25, 2004

I've seen the future, and it has hooves.

Vigilantly Vigorous posted:

As far as substrates go, with most plants its ok to go with normal gravel. I use a standard coated gravel and most of my plants took root. I have only had trouble with the plants that arent getting enough light.

What should I be paying for a 20/29/30 gallon tank?

I got a 29 gallon for $54 at a petstore. You can do a LOT better on something like craigslist. It just happened that there weren't any in that range that were available, so I had to go elsewhere. They pop up from time to time, though.

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Silver Nitrate
Oct 17, 2005

And I saw my reflection
in the sage-covered hills


Here is my tropical tank. I went for a South American Stream feel. Once the gourami kicks the bucket I'm going to get some other fish from there. Ever since I went out of state for a semester my fish have become so shy and they all hide when I'm in the room. How do you tame fish? XD
20L, low-tech CO2, 3 24" fluorescents, Whisper power filter, NovaAqua, Ammquel, Flourish Excel, Fluorite substrate


rear end in a top hat gourami that has killed about 50$ worth of fish.

Cute little gold tetras.

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