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DrBouvenstein posted:So I finished working my way through all of Angel, and now I'm on to Buffy (cause unlike Angel, there's several episodes I haven't seen.) But I was reminded of something that really bugged me when I first watched it, and bugs me still. You're assuming it was a rifle. For all we know Jonathan might have been packing a magic laser beam that just happened to be encased in a rifle enclosure mod.
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Stonefish posted:I only just read it five seconds ago. a. Why wouldn't they show her face? "Revealing" Dru wouldn't have worked well because it would have been too obvious. b. There was some foreshadowing earlier with the "it's all my fault", and a couple of somewhat more blatant hints on the second to last page. c. It doesn't seem likely that Dru (or even moreso some random new baddie) would end up "way more powerful" than Willow, especially given how much of a Willow fanboy Joss is. But anyway, it was a good issue and I'm really liking the comics so far, although "Wolves at the Gate" was a little too much on the wacky side. ShardPhoenix fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Aug 15, 2008 |
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Aug 15, 2008 12:00
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"Unless I can fall down and throw-up my way out of here, I got nothing." I love poo poo like this. I can completely hear Nicholas Brendon saying it. Edit: Also, Jonathan trying to pull the trigger on that huge rifle with his outstretched toe would have been worth price of admission.
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Aug 15, 2008 17:16
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Jonathan should have received far more punishment for the hijinks of Storyteller. Perhaps Season 6/7 and the Nerds of Doom is the consequence for letting a guy who casts a spell that changes the world go scott free. A la Peter Parker and Uncle Ben. Magic always has consequences.
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Aug 18, 2008 03:30
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Just finished Buffy S7, it definitely feels more focused that S6, which helps a lot. Then when Caleb shows up near the end, it's just concentrated awesome.
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Aug 18, 2008 04:51
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redshirt posted:Jonathan should have received far more punishment for the hijinks of Storyteller. Storyteller is the season 7 one about Andrew. I believe you mean Superstar, which is one of the better episodes of season 4.
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Aug 18, 2008 05:17
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redshirt posted:Joss should have received far more punishment for the hijinks of Storyteller. Seriously, "Transformers" had the correct quantity of Tom Lenk in it. Three lines and a gay joke. then he was gone. Buffy is a brilliant show, but those three fuckers weren't helping any. They were worth an episode. Each, at most. (Hi, have you seen Warren?)
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Aug 18, 2008 13:49
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My girlfriend and I have been working our way through Angel from the beginning, we're about seventy percent through season 2 at the moment, and goddamn but it's frustrating watching it with her. Maybe it was because I watched it weekly when it was first run, but she seems to pick up on subtleties and proceeds to guess the following forty minutes of plot because of it. Specifically, we watched Epiphany, which, from the lead in at the tail end of the last episode, made it look like Angel was de-souled because of his Darla boning. Her exact words when she saw him sit up and freak out were, 'Well, that wasn't perfect happiness, that was just a good hate gently caress.' She's done it a few other times as well, with Lockley's storyline and the whole suicide attempt, Lindsay and Lilah surviving the massacre in Holland's basement, Boone betraying Wolfram and Hart at the charity ball for the halfway house. I think she called the little kid in the demonic possession episode before the first commercial break. So what I'm saying is I'm either dumber than I feel, the show was far less subtle than I remember, or she's some sort of interesting plot machine breaker. I can't wait for the whole Jasmine arc, I'm hoping the whole maybe ultimate good scenario confuses her enough to not be able to make gross leaps of logic and ruin it all.
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Anomalous posted:My girlfriend and I have been working our way through Angel from the beginning, we're about seventy percent through season 2 at the moment, and goddamn but it's frustrating watching it with her. Maybe it was because I watched it weekly when it was first run, but she seems to pick up on subtleties and proceeds to guess the following forty minutes of plot because of it. Specifically, we watched Epiphany, which, from the lead in at the tail end of the last episode, made it look like Angel was de-souled because of his Darla boning. Her exact words when she saw him sit up and freak out were, 'Well, that wasn't perfect happiness, that was just a good hate gently caress.' I don't want to make you feel like an idiot or anything, but those were all pretty easy things to pick up on and guess. You can usually guess what is going to happen by asking yourself "if i was writing this, what little twist could i add in?" It's that way for a lot of t.v. shows.
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Aug 18, 2008 17:16
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Yeah, it was pretty much the only show I watched with any sort of regularity back then, so maybe I was just unused to the inundation normally gotten by watching a lot of formulaic plot play out. I worked eleven hour days and read an unbelievable amount because of the job, so it was a lot of fresh surprises for me in a twisted but familiar setting, which really drew me in. I'm enjoying it greatly the second time around, but figured any sort of foresight I had now was because I'd seen most of it the first time around.
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Aug 18, 2008 18:34
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anyone going to serenity con this year?
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Patrovsky posted:Storyteller is the season 7 one about Andrew. I believe you mean Superstar, which is one of the better episodes of season 4. Indeed, my mistake. And I agree - Superstar was a great episode. But nonetheless, he changed the entire world through magic for selfish reasons. Did Jonathan go through a Dark Magic cycle like Willow? He obviously has the natural aptitude for magic, like Willow, and he pulled off a major league spell; did he get addicted to magic, like Willow? And if not, what does that say about Jonathan "vis a vis" Willow?
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Aug 21, 2008 02:43
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redshirt posted:Indeed, my mistake. And I agree - Superstar was a great episode. But nonetheless, he changed the entire world through magic for selfish reasons. Did Jonathan go through a Dark Magic cycle like Willow? He obviously has the natural aptitude for magic, like Willow, and he pulled off a major league spell; did he get addicted to magic, like Willow? And if not, what does that say about Jonathan "vis a vis" Willow? that women are inferior. 
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Aug 21, 2008 03:27
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redshirt posted:Indeed, my mistake. And I agree - Superstar was a great episode. But nonetheless, he changed the entire world through magic for selfish reasons. Did Jonathan go through a Dark Magic cycle like Willow? He obviously has the natural aptitude for magic, like Willow, and he pulled off a major league spell; did he get addicted to magic, like Willow? And if not, what does that say about Jonathan "vis a vis" Willow? Willow's downfall was a lot of magic overuse over a long period of time. It got to the point when something bad happened, she pretty much broke down and lost control of the magic. Her rehabilitation was more about curing the addiction and helping her understand where the raw power came from, whereas Jonathan never really lost control, he just performed a spell he didn't really understand - yes, for selfish reasons - but because he hadn't really lost control of the magic, he didn't really need rehab, just a swift kick up the pants. It's kind of the mad/bad dilemma of the Buffyverse. Unfortunately, Jonathan didn't get that swift kick up the pants, and went on to gently caress everybody's poo poo up in season six. With regards to the comments about Jonathan, Andrew and Warren being annoying characters, I'd have to agree on the Warren front, but I still liked Jonathan and Andrew.
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Aug 21, 2008 06:31
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Jonathan wasn't really evil though, he kept fighting Warren when it got too far. Andrew on the other hand, was a spineless bitch and I"m still pissed that he killed Jonathan and got to be a star.
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Aug 21, 2008 06:38
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Bunnita posted:Jonathan wasn't really evil though, he kept fighting Warren when it got too far. Andrew on the other hand, was a spineless bitch and I"m still pissed that he killed Jonathan and got to be a star. I wouldn't say being everybody's bitch in Season 7 is really being a star. Though the fact that he's everybody's bitch is part of the reason I like him.
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Aug 21, 2008 06:43
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Just watched the musical episode for the first time in a few years. Willow gives Tara magical floating cunnilingus. How the hell did I miss that?
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Aug 22, 2008 20:56
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Crimson Chin posted:Just watched the musical episode for the first time in a few years. No idea. Though to be fair, something that was apparently supposed to come off as naughty or sexy came off as incredibly juvenile and lame to me.
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Aug 22, 2008 21:08
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Crimson Chin posted:Just watched the musical episode for the first time in a few years. And the line she's repeating, "you make me complete" gets cut off right before "plete" 
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Riptor posted:And the line she's repeating, "you make me complete" gets cut off right before "plete" When I first saw that, I was catching early morning reruns on FX and had to dive into a pillow in order to not wake the whole house. Or the rest of the block. How the hell did they get away with that?
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Psimitry posted:No idea. Though to be fair, something that was apparently supposed to come off as naughty or sexy came off as incredibly juvenile and lame to me. Yeah, that is easily the worst part of the musical.
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Patrovsky posted:I wouldn't say being everybody's bitch in Season 7 is really being a star. Though the fact that he's everybody's bitch is part of the reason I like him. I didn't really like that his punishment for cold blooded murder was basically being tied to a chair for a few days.
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Aug 23, 2008 23:42
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Or the fact there's a perfectly fine Police Station they could've turned him over to... you know.. for murder.
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Andrew_1985 posted:Or the fact there's a perfectly fine Police Station they could've turned him over to... you know.. for murder. I mean, if you really want to get into the trying-to-be-objective morality angle, both Willow and Angel (at least) are arguably too dangerous to be allowed to live, but given peoples emotional attachments I doubt many people in or out of the fictional setting would see things that way. ShardPhoenix fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Aug 24, 2008 |
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Aug 24, 2008 16:08
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I'm burning through Angel right now, mostly because where I am in Buffy really doesn't grab my interest, and now that I'm at Season 4 of Angel I feel sick. I just want this plotline over. Somehow Cordi, even the real Cordi, isn't that important to me. Her being evil, and the black chick popping out, just doesn't feel that interesting. To be honest I just love tortured/badass Wesley, and I keep watching for him. I can't believe Joss made me go from hating everything he says to being my favorite character.
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Aug 24, 2008 18:00
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Yeah, you and everyone* else. Magic Bullet is cool, but that's in spite of the rest of the arc. Season 4 has it's moments, but they mostly involve Gwen Raiden, Angelus or Faith (Who's name is apparently Lehane). *Vocal loving minority....
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Aug 24, 2008 18:56
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Stonefish posted:Yeah, you and everyone* else. Magic Bullet is cool, but that's in spite of the rest of the arc. Gwen's last name is Raiden? It's like she's a Marvel character...
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Aug 24, 2008 19:16
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Yeah, that was pretty weak.
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Aug 24, 2008 20:28
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Andrew_1985 posted:Or the fact there's a perfectly fine Police Station they could've turned him over to... you know.. for murder. I guess the problem with that would be explaining why the principal of the school would have moved the body to a shallow grave in the desert and why exactly the murder took place over a giant, evil looking seal. It also seemed weird that Willow felt comfortable walking around town after she single-handedly sieged the local police station. I guess the police there really are deeply stupid.
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Aug 24, 2008 21:33
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The police were looking for a brunette 
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Crimson Chin posted:Just watched the musical episode for the first time in a few years. "Lost in ecstasy/Spread beneath my willow tree" Joss Whedon, master of subtlety.
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Chinaman7000 posted:To be honest I just love tortured/badass Wesley, and I keep watching for him. I can't believe Joss made me go from hating everything he says to being my favorite character. Stonefish posted:Yeah, you and everyone* else. Magic Bullet is cool, but that's in spite of the rest of the arc. The stuff with Angelus is my favorite part of season four (even if they didn't do Angelus quite like Buffy season two, he's still an awesome villain). In my opinion, the fight with him vs. Wesley and Faith almost beats out the ridiculous fight scene from Apocalypse Nowish solely on the line, "Uh, oh, vampire with a gun!" After Angel gets his soul back in Orpheus, the arc gets a tad stupid. But Magic Bullet, Peace Out, and Home redeem it in my book. Also, Joss named her Faith Lehane because he wanted Faith to have a Southie name. Eliza Dushku is from Boston, so I guess that makes sense.
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Stonefish posted:
REPRESENT! Season 4 rules! All I need say is "No Spike" and we could work our way from there. But! Jonathan. I loved his character, pretty much from beginning to end. I was hoping for the great big redemption at the end, but was denied by the surprise cowardly murder. Twas effective, Joss! Jonathan appears in a surprising amount of early episodes, often in the background getting abused, and his rise first at the end of Season 3 (right in the mix of battle), then the hijinks of Season 4, and then the horrors of Season 6. He was going for the redemption thing, but loving Andrew got in the way. Jonathan was a background cliche at the beginning of the show. By the end, he's got episodes to himself (and others, but much Jonathan) - some good character development over the seasons.
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redshirt posted:REPRESENT! Season 4 rules! If you can get your hands on the 'original' pilot, the one that has fat Willow and no Angel, Jonathan is in the line for the Bronze.
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Aug 26, 2008 02:11
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He didn't last as long as Harmony though. and if you want to get technical, Oz.
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Aug 26, 2008 11:18
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Ug. Harmony. Should have been dust Angel Season 2, at the latest! One of the few good Spike moves (staking her) -- too bad about the ring.
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Aug 27, 2008 01:15
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gently caress that bullshit. That would have led to an Angel season 5 without Harmony and one of the funniest episodes of the season (Harm's Way).
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Aug 27, 2008 04:38
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Harm's way was awesome, but after 3 months of no new episodes just after "Destiny", it was a bit disappointing.
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I really liked Harm's Way, and Harmony has been a lot of the laughs in S5 Angel. Something about her "vampire who is trying to be good but isn't" thing is a nice change from "vampire with a soul seeking redemption". I just finished You're Welcome and I have a question. Cordi was apparently never woke up, but still somehow Angel and his crew beat Lindsey. Do the other AI guys remember Cordi waking up, or did Angel hallucinate it and beat Lindsey in another way, or something else? If it's answered in the later episodes then just say that, but after the shock of the ending I felt confused.
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Chinaman7000 posted:I really liked Harm's Way, and Harmony has been a lot of the laughs in S5 Angel. Something about her "vampire who is trying to be good but isn't" thing is a nice change from "vampire with a soul seeking redemption". I think it is pretty much left to your imagination. I saw it as her spirit helping him out.
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