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Jan 10, 2007

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In Angel, season 4 episode 13 "Salvage" there is a scene where Angel confronts the rock beast in a warehouse. He's throwing some insults at him and there is some truly awful ADR where he calls him a lackey, a toady and a lickspittle. Does anyone know or can read lips well enough to know what word the show had dubbed over and replaced with lickspittle?

shadow puppet of a fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Aug 8, 2013

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Nitrousoxide posted:

god I hate Cordelia
Explain yourself!

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Also doesn't Fran Rebel Kuzi and the other Kuzi own the film & televised incarnation of everything?

Nitrousoxide posted:

She's like Dawn is when she has her tantrums, except every line is like that.
Fair enough. You might still like Angel's season 5. It is the show at its best, but some of that would be only appreciable having seen them journey through the prior seasons. Lots of the great bits will be entirely lost on you.

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Its also the reason why you should have been alternating between Buffy and Angel episodes.

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Andrew & Clem are the only good things about that season.

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Rhyno posted:

Andrew loving sucks.
I'll give you that on would-be rapist evil Andrew, but reformed Andrew was the only character that kept the tone of season 1-6 alive in season 7. Without him you have a maudlin sci-fi-antasy-soap with no lighting budget.

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Season 7 had a very good Anya episode early on. And later, it had that Ashanti cameo.

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That sounds right. Make that a good Anya episode instead with a very good song

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And please don't call Knoxie, "Knox"

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Acne Rain posted:

Lorne should've died at the end of season 2.

He's funny but he was more interesting as a neutral party in the demon-human conflict. He kind of became a crutch for the investigations because of his power. I have many issues with post-season 2 angel.
Without Lorne the show would have collapsed in on its maudlin self throughout S3 and S4. It would have been all Gunn's Sister's soliloquys and extra unwelcome Gwen episodes

But please, do not elaborate on your Angel complains, we'd hate to breathe life into this thread.

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Nitrousoxide can put us on ignore or you can use spoiler tags. Complain away.

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Dont loving peek Nitrous!

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Xealot posted:

Season 2, but yeah: how did Angel afford the hotel? It's a giant, opulent deco building in Los Angeles...there's no way that real estate would be in his price range, in any part of the city that would ever have been built.
Nabbit got his people to set up the grant applications and government loans for Angel inc to take it over on a no-payment basis.

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Dont blame the council. None of you a-holes has any idea just how expensive it is to run and fund an entire pharmaceutical plant for the express purpose of manufacturing vamp-sedation pills in order to conduct elaborate ritualized slayer-killing tests. It burns an enormous amount of council money and man power, not to mention the high employee turnover rate through having to fire so many people for asking what is the point of running a pharmaceutical plant that ultimately only takes an incredible toll on the ranks of potentials.

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We bump the thread whenever Nicholas Brendon gets arrested, right?

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Brendon was in Ft. Lauderdale for a comic book convention and authorities say he got rip-roaring drunk, trashed his hotel room and ended up asleep in a hotel employee's office.
According to the police report -- obtained by TMZ -- Brendon did $450 worth of damage to the room and was on the hook for nearly $380 in food and beverage charges.
Cops say Brendon refused to pay, and that's why he's been charged with grand theft. Sounds a little like the whole Randy Quaid incident at a hotel near Santa Barbara.
Sounds like the convention folks paid for Brendon's room, but he was pissed he didn't get more, because just hours before his arrest he tweeted, "Hey Twatters! I'm stuck in Ft Lauderdale w/no per diem. No hotel. No ride to the airport. Thanks @Shockpopcc."
Calls placed to the Ft. Lauderdale police department regarding a garbage dump split-Nicholas theory went unreturned.

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shadow puppet of a posted:

We bump the thread whenever Nicholas Brendon gets arrested, right?

The exact same thing happened again. Poor guy.

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Oooooh new posts! And not about motel rampages.

As long as we are getting our missive on, I can defend Charisma Carpenter.

Bicyclops posted:

I will never understand how Charisma Carpenter lasted ten seconds. I cannot believe that she is a high school student for a moment.

Your reading of her was correct and well cast then, she was never supposed to be a high school student because her character shouldn't want to be one. She had to be a too cool for school type who could socially lord over someone with all the positive qualities of Buffy. Without Cordelia playing spoiler to all of Buffy's social aspirations, Buffy would have just been a nebbish like Willow. Cordelia's character had to appear above the scoobies by both looking older and acting detached so that there could be the arc of her joining and splitting from the gang.

In other shows her type of character can go painfully wrong as evidenced by what Tori Spelling on 90210 was supposed to be before she sank to finally become believable as Ms. David Silver. Cordelia, on her own, managed to prop up and anchor an entire invisible social hierarchy in a highschool full of 1-episode transients, and on a show where it was absolutely necessary for the main cast to be seen and felt as a collection of outsiders. The whole show does not work if Buffy is held up as the coolest kid around.

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The worst part about Connor was the pre-Quor'Toth continual use of crying baby audio to convey "Hey wow, baby here now, new baby everybody! Don't forget the new baby"

The miracle child should have been a little less colicky.

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Just in case anyone was wondering, "Bound", Charisma Carpenter's Asylum Films knockoff of 50 Shades of Grey but with an older woman/younger man plot, well, it was not very good.

Not even the acting chops of former NFL star Terrell Owens, playing himself, could save it.

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Rhyno posted:

So she finally gave up and did porn?

Gave up and finally did basic cable after 10 pm is more accurate. Still felt less creepy and porny than The Expendables though. Its just not a good career arc. She was co-starring with that Baldwin that hasn't been in a theatrically released movie since 'Harley Davidson And The Marlboro Man'. Its a shame that Joss is a lunatic faux feminist that can hate a woman for getting pregnant in the middle of filming his brand of schlock. A year ago would have been the perfect time to hire her on with a lucrative bit part same as Alexis Denisof got with an Avengers speaking role. She could have been Bruce Banner's Pepper Potts that always has a tracksuit for him to throw on post going green or Hawkeye's bowstring consultant who helps him cope and make the most of a ridiculous weapon choice in the year 2015..

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Production wise? The stuttering. I'd happily give a kid a break but after two episodes worth of blown cues and thousands of feet of useless footage, Xander would have been killed and replaced with his cool cousin Mander.

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I guess I'm the staunch main cast defender, but Nicholas Brendon's job wasn't to be much more than cardboard. He was a spring-loaded comic foil If he was too good of an actor, he'd come across as pathetic-maudlin and the show would be trending towards My So Called Life with rubber masks and spirit gum. If he shone too bright comedically he'd slip into being Screech Powers.

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Amazingly enough Bound (2015) does not improve when viewed at blu ray resolution.

Will provide update upon 4k release. Fingers crossed!

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I think his main crime was being a huge outspoken George W Bush supporter and thereby an Iraq War enthusiast while living in Hollywood. Where he is instead supposed to be a passionate Democrat and continue to silently push the massive tax on the poor/millionaire's welfare that is the residuals system and Hollywood's limitless copyright extensions. And he pissed off that really snippy ex-NFL kicker on twitter.

I don't recall him tangibly doing something that makes him an awful person.

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And aren't we also through the looking glass to where it was actually bowmore who committed the faux pas for excluding people by soley equating oval office-havery with just one gender?

Argue posted:

He was the one who named that misogynist gamer movement that shall not be named (please don't discuss that here)
Just to be clear we are also talking about the movement that is fine with women but hates the nepotistic enthusiast press for pushing facile poo poo like Gone Home as Game Of The Year and having the staff of Polygon use the exact language of 90's Think of The Children religious right game-ban crusaders against their hobby?

I'm not emotionally attached to the issue but you just tried to pull off one lovely drive-by and declare yourself home free in the same savlo.

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mind the walrus posted:

You sound pretty emotionally attached. I don't think that's a bad thing, but you also seem really invested in that "notice I'm an oppressed minority in this particular crowd" way and it's not endearing.
The only things I genuinely care about is hating the Xbox One, hating Bajorans and hating game writer Patrick Klepek for years prior to that misogyny movement.

I'm a fat white 30+ goon, I'm in no way a minority to anything.

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Rhyno posted:

My love of Major Kira means we are now blood enemies.

As far as it can be said, I classify her as "One of the good ones." I'm convinced she only tolerated her own people to get in Vedic Bareil's robes.

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Strawman posted:

No, we're talking about a movement of emotionally stunted manchildren who send rape and death threats to women who disagree with their opinions on videogames. Also, you clearly are emotionally attached to the issue, you just lack self-awareness.
Being able to read the writings of both camps because you like a good shitshow is not emotional investment.

To be clear are you sifting out the threats they send themselves for publicity and the threats they send back? Those are important distinctions.

I see them as being like The Trio, yes, they are evil, yes they tried to rape Amy Madison and killed her in the process, but after nearly a year the remains of the movement have whittled down their criminality to the equivalent of stealing gemstones and eventually capturing evil monks, and from there becoming well dressed Italian Lotharios.

What Andrew did or passively permitted was horrible, but Andrew of the now is doing good work by re-focusing his attitude away from the attempted rape and murder of Amy Madison towards nobler acts like rescuing that crazed potential from Wolfram and Hart.

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I think its down to a gin martini ratio of death threats to ethics in toy reviewing. Started out sweet on the vermouth of threats but got drier as tastes changed.

Lots of angry movements have awful people doing awful things in them. I'm not opposed to saving the environment just because car dealerships get torched every few years.

Or, and again back to Whedon, its like if your hired Mmmm-fashnik and he deviated from the script to attack the slayer rather than rob the bank. You'd do your best to tell Mm' what to do right, but at some point you realize that the demon you created is out of your control and will have to be put down, by, ironically the slayer he tried to kill.

To that point, if something good happens and every threat-sender is arrested and thrown in jail, and not broken out ala Billy Blim, do we then go back to a world where its kosher for kelepek to use his pulpit to push business his friends way with no simple prior disclosure as every other industry seems to not screech angrily about having the burden of? All sorts of worse and more captive enthusiast journalist can say things like 'I drove this on a test track in Valencia, furnished by the Daewoo motors corporation"

And to answer your question, of course Andrew still had a little evil left in his evil heart.

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Rhyno posted:

Glen Quinn's actual death was very sad but the killing off of Doyle lead Wesley to join the team and if you don't like Wesley THEN GET THE gently caress OUT OF THIS THREAD.

Agreed. Best early-going cast-addition ever to happen to a show.

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AS Head not showing up at the LA branch of a theoretical sixth season of Angel was the greatest tragedy.

And Alexis Denisof's imbd shows anything but disappointment. A recurrable voice role in both The Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy slotted in between his recurring series roles? Even without being married to someone who will be earning money until the heat death of the universe through syndication of that awful Neal Patrick Harris show, that's a lucrative career he has going and his roles will never depend on youthful looks or buzz-y marketing-oriented casting. He's got it made and has a great career ahead of him.

If you want to look at unfortunate career trajectory the Buffyverse's supporting women like Mercedes McNabb, Caulfield and Juliet Landau are disheartening.

And especially Kennedy's actress, though most people would probably say she deserved no better. (I never hated her, oh why must I be plagued with these controversial opinions!)

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Went looking for faith gifs, found this tiny scrap of "Gunn x Wesley" slashfic instead.

quote:

“How…”

“I told you that I’m a good shot,” Wesley mutters, holstering his weapon and pocketing his newfound winnings.

“Yeah, but that was– you just– he didn’t even have time to pull the trigger before you– christ, we need to go rent out a room upstairs right now,” Gunn breathes.

15 years ago there would be a mighty oak tree of stories about hubcap axes mating with wrist-mounted stake bolts, but instead we only have this frail twig.

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Presumably the Watcher pathway is taking A levels a year early then a rush through Oxbridge (They'd have already read most the material prior) so shave a year off there as well. No GAP year either. So they'd be starting Day One at the council as a Probate Junior Adjutant Viewer, from there you'd add two years as they survive the practicum candidate thresher of infrequent, simulated, and later controlled condition, exposure to a single drugged vampire, then six months to get a Potential Management & Invigilation certification and you are off to the races, or more specifically, Sunnydale, as a bona fides Watcher of The Council.

So, twenty four and a half years old.

The heightened aura of inexperience and youthful callow is due to a childhood spent entirely in books, classrooms and libraries.

shadow puppet of a fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Jul 2, 2015

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Sorry I missed this one:

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"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" star Nicholas Brendon has checked himself back into rehab after a bizarre incident where cops found him bleeding in an alley.

According to law enforcement sources ... Brendon got into an argument on July 3 with a woman at her apartment, smashed a window with his bare hands ... and then bolted. Firefighters responded and found Brendon in an alley, bleeding from the hands.

TMZ has the rest of the details. I bet they have someone on staff 1/96th dedicated to following NB's police blotter.

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bobkatt013 posted:

I thought he was just in rehab

You dont miss San Diego Comic Con for any reason if you are in both the nostalgia and hard up for cash industries.

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