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I just finished Hell's Bells, aka the Xander and Anya wedding episode, and now I fully understand the whole "Whedonverse relationships never end well" concept. Dammit, I liked them.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I just finished re-watching Angel Season 3 and started Season 4 again. I was so glad when the Groosalug finally left. He really got on my nerves... although not as much as Connor! Seconding both of these comments. I started season 5 yesterday after finishing s4 and Buffy s7. It's been a long ride, but it's almost over.
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Aug 2, 2008 08:42
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Well I've finally finished the entire 256 episodes of Buffy and Angel, and I'm thoroughly depressed that there aren't anymore. I felt that they were both started to peak in their later seasons. Buffy best episodes: Hush The Body Once More, With Feeling Selfless Chosen Angel best episodes: A Hole in the World Time Bomb Not Fade Away You're Welcome Orpheus Now I have to find something else to watch.
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Aug 4, 2008 07:59
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cool kids inc. posted:It's good to see so much Angel season 5 love in your post, because believe me I agree in that it's the best, but there were some EXCELLENT episodes in earlier seasons. Spin the Bottle for instance is probably one of the funniest things I've seen on tv, and even as early as season one there was some greatness. Hero was so good, and even if the circumstances surrounding it were a little less than desirable, Doyle's death scene was sooooo good. I particularly enjoyed the Fred/Illyria arc (as if it isn't obvious) - A Hole In The World was incredibly depressing, and easily my favourite episode by a long shot. You're Welcome was a great callback to Cordelia's earlier seasons in the show, before all the Beast/Jasmine crap went down. I did enjoy season four a lot, but I felt the connections between the two villains felt a little tenuous, as if the theme suddenly changed halfway through. Both arcs are great on their own, but linked, they're a lot weaker. But the character death episodes were all fantastic. The show did great character deaths. Differently handled to the Buffy deaths, but that's not to say that the Buffy ones were poorly handled. Just...different.
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Aug 4, 2008 16:32
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redshirt posted:Which two villains? The Beast and Jasmine/Cordy? Yes, the Beast and Jasmine. With the Beast we've got all this darkness and gloom, and the Beast is supposedly being controlled by someone else, and then the true mastermind is revealed, and her motive is about world peace, and it doesn't really make sense that she'd use all that doom and gloom if there was another way to achieve it. With the Chosen love, I'm a real sucker for series finales. It doesn't matter how contrived they are, as long as they've got a bit of an epic feel, I'll love it. I'll agree though, Anya's death did suck, especially seeing as she was my favourite character. I was listening to the commentary though, and Joss noted that Anya was the only main character he could kill (barring Spike, I guess) and still have it qualify as a happy ending. Anyone else, and Buffy would just be depressed.
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Aug 5, 2008 01:04
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redshirt posted:I see where you're coming from. To answer, we could take a character's answer - Jasmine said it was all "birth pangs": labor pains in giving birth to a God. Maybe this is true, but Jasmine is an unreliable witness in this, and so much else.
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Aug 5, 2008 01:30
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SecretFire posted:Andrew. He wasn't really a main character though.
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Aug 5, 2008 02:26
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Low Key Liar posted:does anybody else think spike is one of the goddamn funniest characters ever? especially in season 5 of Angel. Yes. His season 5 interactions with Angel are fantastic. For posterity: Spike: It's bollocks, Angel! It's your brand of bollocks from first to last. Angel: No, you can't ever see the big picture. You can't see any picture! Spike: I am talking about something primal. Right? Savagery. Brutal animal instinct. Angel: And that wins out every time with you. You know, the human race has evolved, Spike! Spike: Oh, into a bunch of namby-pamby, self-analyzing wankers who could never hope to... Angel: We're bigger. We're smarter. Plus, there's a thing called teamwork, not to mention the superstitious terror of your pure aggressors! Spike: You just want it to be the way you want it to be. Angel: It's not about what I want! Wesley: Sorry. Is this something we should all be discussing? Angel: No. Wesley: It just sounds a little serious. Angel: It was mostly... theoretical. We... Spike: We were just working out a - Look, if cavemen and astronauts got into a fight, who would win? Wesley: Ah. You've been yelling at each other for 40 minutes about this. [pause] Wesley: Do the astronauts have weapons? Spike, Angel: No.
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Aug 5, 2008 08:49
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EccoRaven posted:And I still dislike how he was Buffy's bitch in S7 and then coincidentally he gets to have the heroic death, while one of Buffy's critics dies alone. I love Spike when he's not being so Buffy obsessed, but with the Buffy criticism, I felt that Anya's line about Buffy being luckier than everyone else instead of just better pretty much summed up how much of a self-important twit Buffy could be. Thus, it's one of my favourite lines of the series.
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Aug 5, 2008 21:20
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Tokubetsu posted:Puppet Angel is the greatest loving thing to happen ever. I really don't think tv gets ANY better. "Is there Gepetto in the house?" Season 5 is already my favorite. It gets better. I only finished season 5 for the first time last week, and A Hole In The World is probably my favourite episode of anything ever.
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Aug 10, 2008 11:03
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cool kids inc. posted:Also, I'm not sure if anyone caught it, but the actress who played Cecily was also the actress who played Anya's fellow vengeance demon buddy who's name escapes me at the moment. She and Spike have an odd "you look familiar" moment in season 7 of Buffy. In the season 6 episode where Dawn inadvertantly gets them all trapped in the house, there's a brief exchange after Halfrek shows up: Anya: But cursing us? Some of them are in the wedding party. Halfrek: I just go where I'm- (Spike walks in) William? Spike: Hey, wait a minute. Buffy: You guys know each other? Halfrek: Ah, no. Spike: Not really.
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Aug 12, 2008 08:52
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redshirt posted:Jonathan should have received far more punishment for the hijinks of Storyteller. Storyteller is the season 7 one about Andrew. I believe you mean Superstar, which is one of the better episodes of season 4.
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Aug 18, 2008 05:17
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redshirt posted:Indeed, my mistake. And I agree - Superstar was a great episode. But nonetheless, he changed the entire world through magic for selfish reasons. Did Jonathan go through a Dark Magic cycle like Willow? He obviously has the natural aptitude for magic, like Willow, and he pulled off a major league spell; did he get addicted to magic, like Willow? And if not, what does that say about Jonathan "vis a vis" Willow? Willow's downfall was a lot of magic overuse over a long period of time. It got to the point when something bad happened, she pretty much broke down and lost control of the magic. Her rehabilitation was more about curing the addiction and helping her understand where the raw power came from, whereas Jonathan never really lost control, he just performed a spell he didn't really understand - yes, for selfish reasons - but because he hadn't really lost control of the magic, he didn't really need rehab, just a swift kick up the pants. It's kind of the mad/bad dilemma of the Buffyverse. Unfortunately, Jonathan didn't get that swift kick up the pants, and went on to gently caress everybody's poo poo up in season six. With regards to the comments about Jonathan, Andrew and Warren being annoying characters, I'd have to agree on the Warren front, but I still liked Jonathan and Andrew.
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Aug 21, 2008 06:31
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Bunnita posted:Jonathan wasn't really evil though, he kept fighting Warren when it got too far. Andrew on the other hand, was a spineless bitch and I"m still pissed that he killed Jonathan and got to be a star. I wouldn't say being everybody's bitch in Season 7 is really being a star. Though the fact that he's everybody's bitch is part of the reason I like him.
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Aug 21, 2008 06:43
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Stonefish posted:Yeah, she stole Buffy's middle name, remember? Seven years, from first to last appearance on the show. That's a pretty good run. I thought his scene in the original movie was cut.
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Aug 28, 2008 11:04
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Don't forget that Illyria and Fred keep "switching" if that's the right word.
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Aug 31, 2008 01:46
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LividLiquid posted:For what it's worth, I did. Several times. And that Wes would be back. I heard that if they had had a season 6, Wes wouldn't have died, so it isn't really that he would have been back
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Aug 31, 2008 08:34
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Those bastards! At least we have a Spike: After the Fall before then, right?
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Sep 6, 2008 12:20
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Well I liked Andrew, and I didn't hate Kennedy. Buffy, Dawn, and to some extent, Riley, were the only characters I disliked over the course of the series. Everyone else was pretty awesome though, so that made up for it.
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Oct 26, 2008 10:23
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Uncle Ulty posted:But don't forget that when he started Buffy, Joss wanted to add Jesse to the opening credits of the pilot episode only to kill him off in episode 2. So credits or not, anyone is fair game. And Tara was killed the same episode she was added to the opening credits.
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Nov 1, 2008 12:34
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Clamknuckle posted:A million times this. I went from cursing Joss for killing Doyle and replacing him with Wesley of all people to crying like a baby at his final scene. Would you like me to lie to you now?
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Jan 19, 2009 13:53
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scarymonkey posted:I love Joss, but can we all agree that Andrew is horribly horribly annoying. Whenever he went on screen at one point I literally started counting in my head till he got off the screen. Then I read that Joss at one point was considering a spin off with the Andrew character, and I go wha? wha? Did the actor like secretly suck some important dick and has some black mail pictures or something? Does anyone like actually like Andrew? And if you do, was it hard coming out to your parents? I like Andrew. Not gay. Female, but not gay.
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Jan 21, 2009 05:17
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Brennen posted:B5 is Babylon 5 and it ended in 1998. And it's not as if the "spoiler" is either important to the overall plotline, or in any way important to the plotline at all.
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Jan 28, 2009 11:48
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I read Fray before I saw Buffy or Angel, and I wasn't so bad off. It's probably what encouraged me to actually buy the Buffy season DVD. That, and Firefly.
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Apr 30, 2009 07:21
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Hey, did you know that the devil built a robot?
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May 1, 2010 23:47
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Psimitry posted:El Diablo Robotico......why? Nobody ever tells me anything.
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May 2, 2010 08:54
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Cavemen win. Cavemen always win.
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Jul 28, 2010 03:42
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STAC Goat posted:I think it makes sense with what we knew about that culture. Remember Inara comes from the same weird archaic culture that leads to sword duels over a woman's honor. The whole world had that odd mix of future technology and celebrating things of the past. A culture that teaches men to settle minor disagreements with a duel to the death with swords could well be a culture that teaches "proper" women to hunt and defend themselves with a bow and arrow. Almost more as some kind of weird, upper class novelty than a practical self defense practice. Seems almost Amazonian as well. Because there's nothing in the world that empowers females more than companionship.
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Sep 4, 2011 23:51
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Wait, so you're saying that Ben and Glory are somehow...related?
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Jul 28, 2013 15:00
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Wes, did you ever hear that the Devil built a robot?
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Rhyno posted:El Diablo Robotico... Nobody ever tells me anything.
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