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S-Alpha posted:This conversation is making me realize something: The Tales series doesn't really have fans, does it? It just has abiders. Because the battle system is so drat fun to play. Symphonia's story is probably my #1 most hated for any game, but they put so much effort into the fighting that it's still one of my favorite games ever. Also, when I finally got to play it in English, Innocence was kind of surprising. The story was pretty run of the mill, but your party was surprisingly fun. Ange in particular was completely different from what I was expecting. Haven't played Vesperia though, as I do not own a 360 or PS3. A shame too, Yuri sounds really awesome.
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 20:50 |
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The plots are all the same, that's why. Only the characters and combat system changes. Here's the plot: The empire is ok. Someone gets betrayed. The empire is the bad guy. Someone important dies. Someone knowingly/unknowingly instigates a catastrophe. A bunch of kids have to save the day. e: also the guy you think is the big bad changes at least twice
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S-Alpha posted:This conversation is making me realize something: The Tales series doesn't really have fans, does it? It just has abiders. The last Tales game to be released was Vesperia, and that was three years ago. The series in general gets shafted by its publishers often enough to make actual releases extremely scarce, so everyone's basically running on nostalgia fumes. That said, Vesperia probably had one of the functionally best scripts of the bunch, basically equivalent to a popcorn movie, with a plot and characters that were refreshingly free of bullshit. It only suffered by offering easy outs to what could have been actual dramatic conflicts at several points, but I'd prefer that to Abyss, which did whatever it could to make everyone navel-gaze for another half hour. quote:The empire is ok. Someone gets betrayed. The empire is the bad guy. Someone important dies. Someone knowingly/unknowingly instigates a catastrophe. A bunch of kids have to save the day. Also, RACISM
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 20:51 |
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Also at some point the kids have to visit a series of temples which each represent a different element and defeat the boss therein to restore balance/save something involving the world
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 20:52 |
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So much racism
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I like the combat, the silly skits, and end-of-battle joking around between the characters. I pretty much ignore everything else.
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 21:41 |
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Yeah the skits are great regardless of plot/characters. Makes it feel like the characters are actually, well, adventurin'. I miss such things in other JRPGs and am loving the Abyss Undub since now they are voiced.
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 21:44 |
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S-Alpha posted:This conversation is making me realize something: The Tales series doesn't really have fans, does it? It just has abiders. There's just really nothing to talk about these days unless you're importing the game and there really aren't many people doing that anymore. Take that away and you are mostly left with people crying foul at Bamco for not fulfilling their dreams. That kind of consistent anger also doesn't come from people who are only mildly interested in the series, as a random aside.
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 21:56 |
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We'll have more fans in here eventually. I'll just keep hacking away at writing up a Graces F thread and wait for some English media to come out about it, can't wait to get y'all hyped up about MOTHERFUCKIN CHAIN CAPACITY gently caress YEA USA USA USA ASBEL NO.1
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 22:00 |
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Mill Village posted:Funny that you mention that because Yuri Lowenthal was probably his best in .hack//GU. He's awesome as a power-hungry maniac.
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 22:07 |
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Rascyc posted:Sure it does. How do you think a thread like this becomes 80 pages? I assure you it has not been filled with people getting their Bamco Rage on since the start. There's also a specific thread for ToV which saw a ton of traction and lots of people in the west still think of ToV as one of the best games released in recent memory. These games are about a lot more than just plot too. A lot more. Yeah, I know, but it just all seems rather odd to me, personally. I jump into RPGs for the characters, story, and setting, but seeing mostly derisionfor those aspects, yet a ton of fans is a huge, kinda surreal, disconnect. And the battle system isn't all that fun, it's kinda just filler between story segments, like in most games I play. I'm certain that I'm not the kind of person who would enjoy a Tales game, but I do want to finish one, at least.
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 22:09 |
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Policenaut posted:We'll have more fans in here eventually. I'll just keep hacking away at writing up a Graces F thread and wait for some English media to come out about it, can't wait to get y'all hyped up about MOTHERFUCKIN CHAIN CAPACITY gently caress YEA USA USA USA ASBEL NO.1
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 22:30 |
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I think the best thing about Tales stories is their length. The good Tales games seem to generally end before the gameplay gets old but give you plenty of time to watch your characters get stronger and have fun with the battle system.
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Policenaut posted:MOTHERFUCKIN CHAIN CAPACITY gently caress YEA USA USA USA ASBEL NO.1 Asbel is pretty neat and all but as far as I am concerned magical flashstep warp holy-fist punching beats out Magic Knight flailing any day. 
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| # ? Jul 11, 2011 22:52 |
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S-Alpha posted:This conversation is making me realize something: The Tales series doesn't really have fans, does it? It just has abiders. I genuinely enjoy Tales plots especially Symphonia (loving awesome) and Abyss. Vesperia didn't have quite enough plot twists to be awesome but was still good (mostly thanks to Yuri). So yes, there are people who enjoy Tales storylines.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 00:09 |
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Hey I've got a Vesperia PS3 question: when do I actually get Patty? I ran into her in I think it was Kapuwa Nooru and then she ran off, do I get her soon? I got a bunch of DLC costumes for her and I want to have her already. I'm still fairly early on. I put the game down for a while to play other ones and now I'm getting back to it. I think the party's in Kapuwa Torimu (I forget) now.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 00:10 |
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Endorph posted:He's a power-hungry maniac in Soul Nomad, too, and he pulls off the role amazingly. So well that it's actually kind of weird when you realize it's him. I forgot he was in that game. I've had that game for years. I should try to play through it one of these days.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 00:33 |
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Xythar posted:I genuinely enjoy Tales plots especially Symphonia (loving awesome) and Abyss. Vesperia didn't have quite enough plot twists to be awesome but was still good (mostly thanks to Yuri). So yes, there are people who enjoy Tales storylines. That's how I feel about Tales storylines too. Yeah, they're not very deep and are pretty cliche, but they usually throw in enough fun characters and goofy plot twists to be at the very least entertaining.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 00:34 |
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Xythar posted:I genuinely enjoy Tales plots especially Symphonia (loving awesome) and Abyss. Vesperia didn't have quite enough plot twists to be awesome but was still good (mostly thanks to Yuri). So yes, there are people who enjoy Tales storylines. Yeah, I'll sign on to the "enjoyed Tales plots" group (although if you read my Symphonia LP, you know that already).
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 00:35 |
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Mill Village posted:I forgot he was in that game. I've had that game for years. I should try to play through it one of these days. Anyway, back on topic. Tales plots are awful piles of cliches, but I like the characters in them a lot of the time, so... I guess I'm 50% in the "enjoys tales plots" group.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 00:39 |
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wdarkk posted:Yeah, I'll sign on to the "enjoyed Tales plots" group (although if you read my Symphonia LP, you know that already).
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 01:36 |
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Arcaeris posted:Hey I've got a Vesperia PS3 question: when do I actually get Patty? Err, it'll still be a while. She joins once you get your ship, which occurs, uh, well, you'll now go explore most of the continent Capua Torim is on and then come back to it, that's when you get your ship.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 02:37 |
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S-Alpha posted:This conversation is making me realize something: The Tales series doesn't really have fans, does it? It just has abiders. Man, going into a video game expecting a good plot is such a bad idea, most of them totally suck. Tales games are no exception. I like the Tales games because the battle system is fun, more or less full stop. That way if the story's awful I don't really care and if it's good I'm pleasantly surprised.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 16:04 |
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Xillia is getting a demo at the end of July. There's current a rumour of a Graces anime in production, mentioned in the newest Jump mag. http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/3901495.html Also something called TOW Heroes Fantasia for PSP.
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Policenaut posted:We'll have more fans in here eventually. I'll just keep hacking away at writing up a Graces F thread and wait for some English media to come out about it, can't wait to get y'all hyped up about MOTHERFUCKIN CHAIN CAPACITY gently caress YEA USA USA USA ASBEL NO.1 I'm still worried they didn't just announce the game to stop fans from translating it themselves, without any intention of releasing the game here. I know it's stupid, but so is the Tales studio 
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Megalixir posted:Also something called TOW Heroes Fantasia for PSP. This reminds me, is whatever the PSP Tales game worth picking up? Eternia I think? I know it's a PS1 port basically but that's about the extent of my knowledge.
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| # ? Jul 12, 2011 20:43 |
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I don't think Tales games have good plots but they can have enjoyable characters, and that is kind of more important. They're kind of popcorn light anime RPGs and having characters you can tolerate is a lot more important then having a plot beyond PUNCH EVIL GUY.
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Psion posted:This reminds me, is whatever the PSP Tales game worth picking up? Eternia I think? Eternia isn't a bad game if you haven't played it yet. I believe it's just a straight up port of the NA release (the poorly named Tales of Destiny 2) that EU never received. Sony of America has a policy with ports requiring significant changes or updates to current content which is why Eterina and Breath of Fire 3 for the PSP weren't rereleased stateside, or so I heard. Eternia's plot is pretty awful, and the gameplay is an improvement over Destiny's (combat in Destiny was restricted to a small screen). There's some "customization" when it comes to mixing elements for your casters which determines what spells they are capable of casting -- this ties into the plot. There's more character titles than the previous two Tales games, and Hi-ougi's are a little bit more prominent in this title, but there's nothing too crazy outside of Blue Earth. There's also quite a few battles that I enjoyed, especially the Maxwell fight. It should make for a solid PSP game. Edit for spoilers, I guess. Mayor McCheese fucked around with this message at Jul 12, 2011 around 21:45 |
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As silly/nonsensical as Tales plots are, I personally feel they've still a far car from the truly inane/dumb. I guess Symphonia kind of comes close at times but the series as a whole is nowhere near something like Star Ocean 2, which is probably the worst JRPG plot I've ever had the displeasure of experience. From what I've read of the other Star Oceans though, it looks like it's a common theme amongst them.
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Tales of Eternia was pretty good for its time. The dub is pretty terrible though. The translation also pre-dates the current naming scheme for a lot of attacks and other terminology too, so if you're playing in English, you might not see a lot of attack names that you're used to seeing (even though they are the same attacks). It is of its era. I think it's pretty hard to find the game itself. If I were going to play it again in English, I'd grab the undub. I find that people who got into the Tales series before Symphona tend to like Eternia more. I'm not sure if that's nostalgia or if older fans just like the 2D fight system more. My friends who love Hearts and Destiny remake love Eternia too, so I think a lot of it depends on if you like 2D or not. I'm happy a Tales of Xillia demo is finally on its way. I suspected one would come out soon, because one of the trailers was in a single forest for much of the trailer. The only thing I'm worried about is going from around step to free run again. Around step is just so much better.
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Nate RFB posted:As silly/nonsensical as Tales plots are, I personally feel they've still a far car from the truly inane/dumb. I guess Symphonia kind of comes close at times but the series as a whole is nowhere near something like Star Ocean 2, which is probably the worst JRPG plot I've ever had the displeasure of experience. From what I've read of the other Star Oceans though, it looks like it's a common theme amongst them. It's kinda funny since Star Ocean's developer tri-Ace originally started as part of the original Tales team.
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| # ? Jul 13, 2011 14:52 |
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Eternia is good because you can play as the best character, Farah. She has fighting game controls instead of the usual ones - you can chain ground attacks to anti-air attacks to air attacks instead of the usual basic and arcane artes (like Regal but he sucked). She even has a Mystic Arte that's triggered by doing a specific combination of attacks. It's so much fun to play. But yeah the dub is one of the worst things ever. There's just absolutely no effort in the acting. "Yeah. We won  "
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Tales of Eternia was from the era where basically no JRPGs had good dubs at all. I think it was the first Kingdom Hearts that really ushered in the era of decent voice acting as far as the genre was concerned.
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I've been playing through Arc Rise Fantasia on Dolphin recently and the story pretty much copies every JRPG ever (ESPECIALLY Tales of the Abyss.) It honestly feels like it's trying really hard to be a Tales game. It has skits and a ton of "costumes" that only change your character's portrait art in the menu only... so they're basically useless. I just got past a scene where so many cliche JRPG "plot twists" happened at once that it was easily one of the funniest scenes I've seen in a game in a while. I'm also really not that far into the game and I'm already 99.9% sure the final boss is going to be god.  Basically I just wish Tales of Graces for the Wii was translated.  I'll probably pick up a PS3 to play Graces F when it comes over though.
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ruta posted:I think it's pretty hard to find the game itself. If I were going to play it again in English, I'd grab the undub. I know someone who has it, so that kinda solves that problem, but what is this undub? Does it do more than just change the voices back?
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Psion posted:I know someone who has it, so that kinda solves that problem, but what is this undub? Does it do more than just change the voices back? Undubs just change the voices. That's all.
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| # ? Jul 14, 2011 01:31 |
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grantsnx posted:It honestly feels like it's trying really hard to be a Tales game. It has skits and a ton of "costumes" that only change your character's portrait art in the menu only... so they're basically useless. It's not surprising considering the director of the game worked on Tales of Symphonia.
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| # ? Jul 14, 2011 03:22 |
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Xillia and Idolmaster 2 collaboration
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| # ? Jul 14, 2011 09:18 |
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Yeah, an undub just puts the Japanese voices in place of the English. Of course, this means you're emulating the game somehow. Since most people can't find a real copy of Tales of Eternia PSP, they end up doing that anyhow, so I was just throwing the idea out there. If you don't care much about voices, go for the legit version. I actually played ARF undubbed. Now, I'm not going to say Tales plot lines are great, but ARF totally blows any Tales game out of the water with terrible plot twists. That game's story is more akin to a day time soap. It still had its moments, though. Skits really save a lot for ARF and the Tales series. I try not to think of poorly handled drama in Tales games or ARF. I just remember the silly scenes or skits or moments when characters are teasing one another. That's enough for me even if the end boss turns out to be a ball of hate that wants to kill everyone because of discrimination.
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