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ImpAtom posted:Dirge of Cerberus sold more than most games on the market. Quality does not = sales. However sales can at times indicate that the more vocal reception doesn't actually reflect the feelings of the audience.
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Seraphna posted:However sales can at times indicate that the more vocal reception doesn't actually reflect the feelings of the audience. While that is true it's a bit more complex. Most games do the bulk of their sales in the first weeks so it's hard for bad word of mouth to really hurt the sales of a game and not its sequel. There are also a lot of factors that can play into it. That said, FFXIII apparently continues to do well with ports despite bad word of mouth so to some degree the bad word-of-mouth is probably exaggerated to some degree or it's finding an audience who isn't being openly vocal about it.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:21
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Decus posted:It is. They've already confirmed this in a press release--it's locked 30fps. Sorry, I should have been clearer. By 'freeze framerate' I meant "It becomes unplayable and you can barely get 5FPS in combat".
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Oct 12, 2015 23:23
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ImpAtom posted:While that is true it's a bit more complex. Most games do the bulk of their sales in the first weeks so it's hard for bad word of mouth to really hurt the sales of a game and not its sequel. There are also a lot of factors that can play into it. That said, FFXIII apparently continues to do well with ports despite bad word of mouth so to some degree the bad word-of-mouth is probably exaggerated to some degree or it's finding an audience who isn't being openly vocal about it. Pretty much. FF13's big thing I've noticed is the sales are actually comparable to the first few weeks, it continues to sell pretty steadily despite the apparent hate. I personally picked it up on Day 1, I ignored the talks about it and played it on my own. Never found a lot of the complaints really that consistent with what I actually played, even though there's some very valid concerns like just how outright they were with the linearity of the game and how they basically removed any idea of a world map in favor of exposition. I took it as a new way to play, it didn't bug me as much as others, but I do see the merit behind those complaints. That being said... it has a pretty fun battle system, which is what I think saves it with a lot of the non-vocal fanbase. At the end of the day, most gamers just care about whether or not they're having fun.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:25
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ImpAtom posted:That said, FFXIII apparently continues to do well with ports despite bad word of mouth so to some degree the bad word-of-mouth is probably exaggerated to some degree or it's finding an audience who isn't being openly vocal about it. You mean on steam? It's simply lack of competition. For example, if Madden went crazy and said "We're making next year's game for steam!" and it's the shittiest port imaginable, it will still do gangbusters. Look at NBA 2k16. Garbage port with bugs and crashes that is impossible not to figure out in Q+A unless they just don't give a gently caress, and it's still a top seller.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:26
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Tae posted:You mean on steam? It's simply lack of competition. For example, if Madden went crazy and said "We're making next year's game for steam!" and it's the shittiest port imaginable, it will still do gangbusters. Look at NBA 2k16. Garbage port with bugs and crashes that is impossible not to figure out in Q+A unless they just don't give a gently caress, and it's still a top seller. No, I mean in general. I'm sure on steam the lack of competition helps though.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:29
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Wait, what ports are you talking about? I don't recall another port of FF13 outside of...that phone streaming service in Japan.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:30
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Tae posted:Wait, what ports are you talking about? I don't recall another port of FF13 outside of...that phone streaming service in Japan. It did reasonably well with its greatest hits/international re-release in Japan and apparently is one of the more successful rentals on PSNow for how much PSNow sucks. The steam one is the most significant but "lack of competition is the only reason it does well" seems a stretch.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:35
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ImpAtom posted:It did reasonably well with its greatest hits/international re-release in Japan and apparently is one of the more successful rentals on PSNow for how much PSNow sucks. The steam one is the most significant but "lack of competition is the only reason it does well" seems a stretch. Keep in mind FFX13-2 was also a top-chart seller, unless you're also saying that was a hit as well in re-release form (I had no idea they did a re-release).
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Tae posted:Keep in mind FFX13-2 was also a top-chart seller, unless you're also saying that was a hit as well in re-release form (I had no idea they did a re-release). I was mostly talking about FFXIII in this case. FFXIII-2's sales in general are going to be lower no matter what because they always are. No FF sequel or spinoff has had remotely comparable numbers
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Tae posted:How much cheaper? Greenmangaming has it for about 38.50. huh i looked it up since i had assumed steam would be more expensive because games are usually a couple bucks extra there to account for exchange rate while PSN just charges the same, but it's $55 on Steam and $70 on PSN. Makes my decision easier.
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Oct 12, 2015 23:55
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If you have a local friend you trust you can game-share anything on PSN. I would consider getting Zestiria on PC but I have no idea how well they're gonna port it, so I'll just stick to PS4.
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Oct 13, 2015 01:28
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If you don't like the port, just refund it as long as you have sub 2 hours.
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Eddain posted:If you have a local friend you trust you can game-share anything on PSN. I would consider getting Zestiria on PC but I have no idea how well they're gonna port it, so I'll just stick to PS4. Both PS4 and PC are ports though. Anyway, I am midly confused on how the Free DLC works for the Steam version- do we need to activate something by registering somewhere else, or do they come automatically, or what?
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They come automatically. People who preordered already have Symphonia in their libraries as well.
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I believe it's only through steam though. If you pre-purchase/order from GMG or anywhere else you won't receive any of the bonuses. Ever, most likely, since the only tales of game that turned the bonuses into purchasable DLC is Hearts R. But yeah, as long as you've ordered through steam symphonia will be in your library and internally it'll be giving you the zestiria package with all the other stuff.
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Oct 13, 2015 04:05
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the jrpg drought is real when you see how well the ff13s sell and look at how horribly they run
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baram. posted:the jrpg drought is real when you see how well the ff13s sell and look at how horribly they run Runs like a beauty on my machines.
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Hate to derail(?) what was going on but what's the general thought on Zestaria? Haven't gotten a chance to play a Tales game so was planning on picking it up and a few months ago when I looked around heard generally mediocre things about it. Now that it releases next week literally all I've heard is "It's garbage, camera is awful, combat is limited and it's just not worth looking at." Any specifics as to why it's bad outside that? I'm not really starved for RPGS at the moment but kind of a shame.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Hate to derail(?) what was going on but what's the general thought on Zestaria? Haven't gotten a chance to play a Tales game so was planning on picking it up and a few months ago when I looked around heard generally mediocre things about it. Now that it releases next week literally all I've heard is "It's garbage, camera is awful, combat is limited and it's just not worth looking at." Zesteria is, based off what I've heard, a reasonably good but not great game that is getting a lot of negative feedback for a percieved bait-and-switch on one of the plot characters. I played a bit of it and the camera isn't great but it seems like it'll be a firmly b-grade Tales game. Not Symphonia 2/Legendia tier but not one of the best games either. The thing to understand is that Tales fans are kind of crazy-negative. Every Tales game since Vesperia has had a bunch of people talking about how they're terrible. I heard it about Graces, Xillia, Xillia 2, and Hearts R each. Zesteria could be utterly utterly poo poo but odds are a lot better it's just average and Tales fans are being Tales fans.
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Every time Caphi posts about Zestiria all I take away from it is thinking the game sounds ridiculously bad and I'll buy something else instead. edit: Like I read the stuff and think "oh okay I don't like the sound of that stuff I guess I won't buy it" not that someone's explicitly trashing it.
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Oct 14, 2015 19:49
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They took away the vocals for the opening, no buy
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Policenaut posted:Every time Caphi posts about Zestiria all I take away from it is thinking the game sounds ridiculously bad and I'll buy something else instead. I totally respect Caphi's opinions but I liked Hearts R and Xillia a lot more than they did so I'm not quite ready to write it off based on that.
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Here is a real effortpost: I liked Hearts quite a lot. I haven't played Hearts R. The only thing I've ever said about Hearts R is about the translation, and I think most of that has been about Kohaku. I'm mostly cool on Xillia. The main thing I dislike about it is the environments, I think, and obviously I have complicated emotions about Milla Maxwell. It's Xillia 2 I have issues with, and I haven't called that game utter trash, I just didn't personally agree with some of its ideas. I've endeavored not to call Zestiria trash to its face, either. I don't care about review scores, so I've tried my best to write what I actually care about in reviews, which are what the game does specifically and what I thought about how they did it. I have every faith that ruta and Mr. Fortitude have done the same. If one of us says that the character arcs or the battle interface or whatever are weak and that doesn't sound good to you, take it as it is. If you don't care, please honestly have fun. I don't want anyone to say Caphi gave Zestiria a 2/10 it's clearly poo poo, or anything. I'm not here to stop people from playing Tales of Zestiria. Hell, my issues are writing-based, so I want more people to come back and discuss it. I certainly want to know how the translation handles a few things. Despite my opinions on Zestiria itself I had fun discussing it with a lot of people, and that includes ruta, in case anyone still had the idea that I thought they were full of poo poo or anything. p.s. I read the Amazon reviews before my copy came in and still decided I needed to see it for myself, and I did, and maybe this is me being full of poo poo but right now I'm good with having seen it for myself. I don't begrudge anyone that same decision whether they got it from me or anywhere else. Excels, please enjoy Tales of Zestiria tia.
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Tae posted:They took away the vocals for the opening, no buy the gently caress is this bullshit
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Caphi posted:I haven't said anything for ages. Yeah, it was back months ago when everyone was arguing with Excels for some reason and people were posting about like mechanics and stuff and I was like "this doesn't sound very fun or what I want out of a Tales game" so I just kind of stopped paying attention to Zestiria.
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Tae posted:They took away the vocals for the opening, no buy PC version has dual audio so I imagine the opening will retain its vocals that way.
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Doflamingo posted:PC version has dual audio so I imagine the opening will retain its vocals that way. That's hilariously brilliant for mitigating reverse importing
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If not someone better patch that poo poo in na na nanana na
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ImpAtom posted:Zesteria is, based off what I've heard, a reasonably good but not great game that is getting a lot of negative feedback for a percieved bait-and-switch on one of the plot characters. I played a bit of it and the camera isn't great but it seems like it'll be a firmly b-grade Tales game. Not Symphonia 2/Legendia tier but not one of the best games either. It kinda has to do with every/ or nearly every Tales game having some really big parts that drag the game down! Vesperia had it's third act, Symphonia's story was pretty hard to take seriously once the racism got in [personally, I'm not too hot on the characters either despite them being fun to play as mostly.], most people couldn't stand Luke enough to actually see his character progression, Asbel was far too relenting about things for people's tastes, etc etc. Not to say that they're all overhyped and belong in the trash or anything but that's the nature of the beast at this point.
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Caphi posted:I have complicated emotions about Milla Maxwell milla owns. best tales protagonist
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The songs at the beginning of tales games are always bad and I skip the intros.
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I'll buy Tales on steam when they have 4 player co-op where other players don't have to sit through cutscenes This is the thing I want to see from Tales
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TheKingofSprings posted:I'll buy Tales on steam when they have 4 player co-op where other players don't have to sit through cutscenes online co-op would be so legit for tales
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Overbite posted:The songs at the beginning of tales games are always bad and I skip the intros. I really like Vesperia's 
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I will probably enjoy Zesteria because the last game I played was Abyss and don't have fatigue from the franchise.
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Song 4 u is the best part about Tales of Xillia 2.
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RareAcumen posted:It kinda has to do with every/ or nearly every Tales game having some really big parts that drag the game down! Vesperia had it's third act, Symphonia's story was pretty hard to take seriously once the racism got in [personally, I'm not too hot on the characters either despite them being fun to play as mostly.], most people couldn't stand Luke enough to actually see his character progression, Asbel was far too relenting about things for people's tastes, etc etc. Not to say that they're all overhyped and belong in the trash or anything but that's the nature of the beast at this point. Zestiria has more of these complaints across the board than usual, is the issue. Some people say the plot/characters are bad. Some people say the combat is opaque, or something about the framerate. Or the exploration sucks, or the setting is tissue-thin, or equipment crafting is insane. Or maybe some combination. And I don't think anyone really likes any of the above, it only goes from "trash" to "decent" depending on which things you really care about. The only thing anyone agrees is really good about the game is the music.
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Overbite posted:The songs at the beginning of tales games are always bad and I skip the intros. ima datte sonna ni
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