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Haha the war cutscene in Abyss. Jarring animation aside this game has some real loving stupid issues with pacing. Oh no that towns gonna get destroyed better go to another continent and gently caress around a canyon to get the airship. Oh hey you saved then and have the airship now! Time to put you locked into a long segment where you lose access to it almost immediately.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Haha the war cutscene in Abyss. There's also the issue of everyone getting pumped and ready to fight and then someone forgot to do something so you gotta backtrack again and you don't even get quick travel until you get to the point where you don't even need it anymore once you get it.
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Feb 8, 2016 18:52
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yeah i love abyss but i wish it had been made after people realized that it was okay for JRPGs to be 40-50 hours instead of 70-80
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Feb 8, 2016 18:54
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Oh no how will we ever cross the border guard in Chessedonia? If only we could fly! *Side characters that have only shown up twice before have a big character moment an let you through.* Okay now we can get to Baticul *Guard immediately close the town gates for some reason*
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Feb 8, 2016 18:57
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The bit I remember about Abyss is at the end where they start making you fly between places for long stretches of plot in between dungeons. I think there's a segment where you are manually ferrying heads of state to Julia City for the big summit. Actually, can games generally stop giving you back control to have you walk forward three feet? It's probably so some obscure sidequest flag can activate in a random city in between those events.
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Feb 8, 2016 19:30
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Between these awful pacing issues and gameplay not being great I'm starting to really not like Abyss. The cast honestly has the worst if the issues. Luke's development is pretty cool, Guy is a good buddy character and Nat is pretty rad so far, but the rest of the cast has problems. Ion barely has a personality and Anise is basically 100% awful. Jade is weird, he's got some fun moments but half the issues that have come up so far could have at least been lessened if he just said one thing. He's also the reason for one of the most egregious time filled moments where we go out of our way just to go to his hometown and talk to his sister for 5 mins.
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Feb 8, 2016 19:49
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Caphi posted:The bit I remember about Abyss is at the end where they start making you fly between places for long stretches of plot in between dungeons. I think there's a segment where you are manually ferrying heads of state to Julia City for the big summit. Actually, can games generally stop giving you back control to have you walk forward three feet? I think you just hit the nail on the head. I have learned to be extremely suspicious of any moments between cutscenes where you could, technically, go do something other than advancing the plot because there will be at least one sidequest that requires you to do exactly that.
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Feb 8, 2016 21:33
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anise is great. im gonna kill you bastards.
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Feb 8, 2016 22:31
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Anise is a creepy little girl hitting on rich dudes so she can land a rich husband and lead an easy life who adds nothing to the setting or plot other than being Ion's bodyguard, a role she's frankly quite poo poo at. She's also weak as all hell. Elize and Teepo would murder this child.
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Feb 8, 2016 22:40
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Anise is strong and actually willing to speak her mind without the assistance of a doll to blabber her secrets not that I'm saying the doll thing wasn't funny, but Anise is cool for calling people on their poo poo all on her own e: also she has tokunaga
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Feb 8, 2016 22:48
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im gonna kill you, bastard
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Anise is a creepy little girl hitting on rich dudes so she can land a rich husband and lead an easy life who adds nothing to the setting or plot other than being Ion's bodyguard, a role she's frankly quite poo poo at. How far are you in the game? Both issues you have with her actually have decent explanations at the midpoint of act 2 and the start of act 3 respectively.
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Feb 8, 2016 22:51
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She gets to be the light and dark element caster AND the big single hit slugger, she is fun to play in battle
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Feb 8, 2016 22:52
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Hunt11 posted:How far are you in the game? Both issues you have with her actually have decent explanations at the midpoint of act 2 and the start of act 3 respectively. Also she is only what, a year or two younger than everyone who is not Jade. They just decided to use a tiny character model, despite all the art showing her as nearly the same height as the other young'uns.
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Feb 9, 2016 01:37
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anise is 13, and 5'0''. she's very tall for her age.
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Feb 9, 2016 01:45
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Between these awful pacing issues and gameplay not being great I'm starting to really not like Abyss. Was saying nothing on Tear your commentary on her? 
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Feb 9, 2016 01:49
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Anise owns, she's the second best character. People that know exactly what they want and strive to get it get points in my book.
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Feb 9, 2016 01:49
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TheKingofSprings posted:Was saying nothing on Tear your commentary on her? I figure she'll be more important (Read: Actually important) later on since this all seems to be building to some typically big world ending/reworking poo poo like most Tales of games and she's the only person who can use Lady-Jesus's magical tunes. So far she's been...mostly a prop for Luke's character development. Stern and mean while he's poo poo at first, eases up when he stars trying, hard when he majorly fucks up and then finally basically nothing while he's actually growing. I mean once every two hours of gameplay she'll occasionally go "...my brother." when Van gets mentioned as being a huge dickhead but that's about it for her. Erg posted:Anise is strong and actually willing to speak her mind without the assistance of a doll to blabber her secrets Anise being someone who calls people out and speaks her mind isn't really note worthy at all when that kind of applies to the entire cast to varying degrees. Even Ion gets to be pretty blunt and brutal here and there. No one on this cast really has any form of tact. The only thing setting Anise apart so far (I'm only just passed the War scenes) is her get rich scheming.
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Feb 9, 2016 01:58
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tear's cool
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Feb 9, 2016 04:35
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Anise was definitely my least favorite party member in Abyss. On the other hand, Edna is kinda like her but done much better.
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Feb 9, 2016 04:36
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Sylphid posted:Anise was definitely my least favorite party member in Abyss. On the first hand, Anise has a complete arc that isn't optional, instead of quietly following you around for 70 hours before Jade secretly convinces Luke to free her parents from their debt by murdering them. In seriousness I'll agree to prefer Edna personally. My only actual opinion on Anise is that she's great in Hearts because X.BUSTER hits a giant line with Light damage for ages.
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Feb 9, 2016 05:05
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So is the Hot Coffee scene in ToS kind of infamous among the Japanese fans or something? I'm playing Project X Zone 2 at the moment and one of the NxC protagonist's win quotes is making fun of it.
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Feb 9, 2016 07:32
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It's kinda infamous among US fans at least, so it wouldn't be surprising.
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Feb 9, 2016 07:43
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ImpAtom posted:So is the Hot Coffee scene in ToS kind of infamous among the Japanese fans or something? I'm playing Project X Zone 2 at the moment and one of the NxC protagonist's win quotes is making fun of it. The anime adaptation actually changed the scene to be less bizarre, so clearly it stuck out a lot.
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Feb 9, 2016 07:47
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So in Zestiria, I just had Mayvin read the big stone thing and I got that big scene with the former Shepherd and Heldalf in Camlann. How far am I in the game, percentage-wise?
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Feb 9, 2016 07:51
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The Colonel posted:tear's cool she's great, yeah
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Feb 9, 2016 07:53
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Sylphid posted:So in Zestiria, I just had Mayvin read the big stone thing and I got that big scene with the former Shepherd and Heldalf in Camlann. How far am I in the game, percentage-wise? 85%
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Feb 9, 2016 07:54
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What's a good tales game for the PS3. I've always liked star ocean games better, but I might one a try if the combat is fun.
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Feb 9, 2016 11:27
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i mean symphonia is on the ps3 as well  but for real, the combat is best in Graces so just get that
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Feb 9, 2016 11:29
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Got it. Is Xillia any good too?
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Feb 9, 2016 11:39
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It's pretty good and enjoyable overall with some rushed story stuff near the end.
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Feb 9, 2016 12:50
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are there any other traps in zestria like the auto steps halving your grade? had those activated for 3 hours before i found out
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Feb 9, 2016 13:47
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I think all the 'auto-whatever' that are available at the start do that but I don't remember any others. iirc it does actually tell you that in the description but you have to press a button to go to the second page and it's not terribly obvious.
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Feb 9, 2016 13:59
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Caphi posted:On the first hand, Anise has a complete arc that isn't optional, instead of quietly following you around for 70 hours before Jade secretly convinces Luke to free her parents from their debt by murdering them.
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Feb 9, 2016 14:31
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Zestiria isn't awful, I'm having a bit more fun than Xillia 2 right now. I think it's because the areas don't all feel like enclosed canyons.
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Momomo posted:That was such a bizarre section. Surprisingly, after spending so long not looking for a solution, they don't find one, and just decided death is the way to go. It doesn't help that they also managed to change a wyrm back into a seraph, and just didn't bother investigating that. "Bizarre" is how I'd describe just about everything after the Battle of the Dragon. Lailah's speech to Rose: "Wow, that was amazing and heroic how Sorey slew that dragon threatening all those people! He'd better not make a habit of it, though." Sorey sneaking out because it "feels better." Muse's five-minute arc. The final debate with Symonne. The "We're sorry we made you feel sad" skit. And is this where the Mayvin sidequest is or is that before? It feels like all the threads take a nose-dive in the last hour.
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Feb 9, 2016 17:59
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Another Zesty question: since it's quite clear the destroying mobs with seraphic Mystic Artes is the fastest way to get large loot drops, what's an efficient way to get a lot of BG in battle? I mean, having that one skill that drops the cost of Mystic Artes by one is extremely handy in firing them out often, but it's really boring doing the same ol "2 battles to build up BG, 1 battle ended by using that stockpiled BG" routine over and over. I know the group skill for the all BG+ skills is really handy, but I'm just wondering if there's a faster way than to rely on using Arcane Bottles over and over again and just eating the cost of all those. Then again, that might be it. Also, is there any reason whatsoever to level shops up all the way? The trophy description for getting one shop to max talks about 'secret menus", but they've gotta be pretty secret if I've leveled up to max the shop in Westronbolt Gorge and have yet to find any of them.
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Feb 9, 2016 19:37
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there's a thing that requires every shop to be at least 3 stars or something?
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Between these awful pacing issues and gameplay not being great I'm starting to really not like Abyss. The cast is awful yeah- Luke, Tear, Natalia and Ion range from yawn (natalia) to awful (Luke and Tear). It has Anise who is freaking drat cool though. Endorph posted:anise is great. im gonna kill you bastards. Anise is basically my fav pre-Mila Tales char. Well, Judith/Rita come close to. Momomo posted:That was such a bizarre section. Surprisingly, after spending so long not looking for a solution, they don't find one, and just decided death is the way to go. It doesn't help that they also managed to change a wyrm back into a seraph, and just didn't bother investigating that. Wasn't the point of that scene "If it was a couple minutes later it would have been too late" though? Caphi posted:"Bizarre" is how I'd describe just about everything after the Battle of the Dragon. Lailah's speech to Rose: "Wow, that was amazing and heroic how Sorey slew that dragon threatening all those people! He'd better not make a habit of it, though." Sorey sneaking out because it "feels better." Muse's five-minute arc. The final debate with Symonne. The "We're sorry we made you feel sad" skit. And is this where the Mayvin sidequest is or is that before? It feels like all the threads take a nose-dive in the last hour. Those threads are all great though  The ones that nosedives are basically the Mikleo ones, or as you said the whole Lailah/her old Shepherd ones.
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Arkeus posted:
Aside from Milla, these are some poor choices of characters dude. Well, Judith is cool to play as at least, but they really dropped the ball on her story which barely got anything.
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